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WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.ANYWAY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA WOULD BE THE ROLL CALL OF, UH, OF MEMBERS.
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ORDER.FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IS THE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 21ST MEETING.
AND YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED COPIES OF THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, NO, IT, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, CHANGES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PROPOSE, WE'LL ENTERTAIN THOSE AT THIS TIME.
IF NOT, THEN WE WILL, UH, CONSIDER THOSE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
SO THE NEXT THING WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAS, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO, TO, UH, TALK ON ANYTHING BESIDES THE PUBLIC HEARINGS? AND THERE'S ANGIE, I'M GONNA PUT YOU DOWN AS ARRIVING AT 6 0 1.
SO YOU, JAMES, BEAT YOU TODAY.
ANYWAY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO TALK TO, UH, UH, ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANYTHING BEYOND THE, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT?
[4. Public Hearing and Action Items]
IF NOT, THEN WE WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR.THE FIRST ITEM, UH, UNDER FOUR IS A, IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUP 24 0 0 0 5 MARINA BAY DRIVE CAR WASH TO ALLOW A CAR WASH ON APPROXIMATELY 1.31 ACRES ZONE CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF MARINA BAY DRIVE FM 2094, APPROXIMATELY 300 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF MARINA BAY DRIVE AND DAVIS ROAD WITH THE ADDRESS OF 24 64 MARINA BAY DRIVE.
DO Y'ALL GET THAT ADDRESS SQUARED AWAY? IS THAT THE REAL ADDRESS? YES, SIR.
OKAY, WE'LL WE WILL HEAR FROM, UM, WE'LL HEAR FROM MARK FIRST AND THEN WE'LL, UH, I THINK THE, UH, THE OWNER, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT AFTER YOU FINISH.
FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MARK LINEMAN.
I'M PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF LAKE CITY.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS FOR AN SUP FOR A 1.31 ACRE SITE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TO DEVELOP A CAR WASH.
AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE CAR WASHES DO REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UH, THE TR THE SUBJECT TRACKED, UH, WAS FORMERLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF LAKE CITY BACK IN AROUND 2015.
AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS REZONED, UM, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THIS AREA WAS GONNA BE CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP FOR OPEN SPACE AND TO REMAIN NATURAL BECAUSE OF THE CONSISTENCY HAD THAT THIS TRACK HAD WITH THE 2094 CORRIDOR.
AS SUCH, UH, THE CITY DID DO A REZONING AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS FOR A SINGLE TUNNEL CAR WASH AND WITH THEY WOULD INCLUDE 16 SELFER SERVICE VACUUMS ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE PROVIDED FROM MARINA BAY DRIVE, WHICH IS 2090 FM 2094, AS WELL AS IT WOULD HAVE LIMITED ACCESS TO THE WEST ALONG DAVIS ROAD.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU NOW IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, UH, WHICH CONSIST OF A COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF, UH, MATERIALS, UH, CONCRETE CEMENT, STUCCO STONE, AS WELL AS METAL PANELING.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT SAME SIMILAR ARCHITECTURE AND MATERIALS, UM, IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE, UH, CANOPY FOR THE VACUUM STATIONS,
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UM, TO MI AGAIN TO MIMIC THE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE.UM, ALSO IN THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A VARIANCE TO IT TO DECREASE THE REQUIRED SITE SETBACK.
THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS 15 FEET.
THEY'RE ASKING TO DECREASE IT BY JUST OVER 60% TO FIVE FEET, THE DUE TO CONSTRAINTS TO THE SITE, AS WELL AS, UH, ENCUMBRANCES ON THE PROPERTY, UM, IN THE FORM OF SEVERAL EASEMENTS.
SO THERE'S A SIDEWALK EASEMENT AS WELL AS SEVERAL, UH, AS I BELIEVE THERE'S A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT AS WELL AS A PIPELINE EASEMENT TO MITIGATE THAT.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO ENHANCE, UH, OR HAVE MITIGATION LANDSCAPING ON ALL ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT REQUEST, WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU NOW WITH THE PROXIMITY BUFFER IS WITHIN ONE MILE OF THE SITE, THERE ARE THREE EXISTING CAR WASHES.
WHAT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE IS THAT THERE IS ANOTHER CAR WASH REQUEST ALONG FM TWO 70, JUST SOUTH OF THE FIVE CORNERS INTERSECTION THAT THIS COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDERED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IS STILL BEING FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
WITHIN THE TWO MILE RANGE, THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL CAR WASH, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL UP TO FOUR, AND THEN WITHIN THE THREE MILE RADIUS, YOU HAVE EIGHT MORE CAR WASHES.
SO WITHIN THE TOTAL THREE MILE AREA, YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 12 CAR WASHES THAT ARE EXISTING AND ONE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BASED ON THE INFORMATION.
UH, WHILE THE PROPERTY DOES NOT CONFORM WITH THE COMP PLAN AS INDICATED PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS REZONED TO COMMERCIAL USE, UH, BECAUSE OF, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTY WITH THE NA NATURAL OPEN SPACE.
ALSO, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER LAND USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
THE PROPERTY IS ACCESS FROM MARINA BAY DRIVE AND DAVIS ROAD, AND THEN THE REQUEST DOES INCLUDE A VARIANCE, UH, MADE BY THE APPLICANT BASED ON THE CRI BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA, SHOULD THIS REQUEST BE APPROVED, STAFF HAS LISTED A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE.
SHOULD YOU, UH, CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE AGAIN IS, UH, THE SUP EXPIRATION TWO IS ABOUT LIMITING THE USES OF THE SUP.
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO A CAR WASH ONLY.
THE NUMBER THREE IS THE SITE AND LIMITED LAYOUT OF THE SITE AND THE ELEVATIONS, AND THEN FOUR AND FIVE DEALING WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, IT WAS IDENTIFIED, UM, THIS MORNING TO THE PROJECT MANAGER THAT THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST A SLIGHT REVISION TO THEIR, UH, SITE PLAN.
AND IF IT'S, AGAIN, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME TO THE MODEM TO DISCUSS THEIR, HIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT IN FURTHER DETAILS ON HIS BEHALF.
I'M A AND ONCE HE SPEAKS, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTION.
NORMALLY WOULDN'T DO THAT, BUT WE WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
HE, HE DID REQUEST TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THAT.
YES, HE, WE, WE WERE NOTIFIED THIS MORNING AND THAT IS UP ON, UH, THE SCREEN AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW.
AND WHERE, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? OKAY.
IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US, UH, WHEN YOU GET UP THERE, WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU REPRESENT AND TALK INTO THE MIC IF YOU WILL, PLEASE.
SO MY NAME IS IL, UH, AND I'M FROM
WE ARE AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND I'M REPRESENTING THEM.
UM, SO REGARDING THIS SITE, IT HAS LIKE, UH, THREE BIG EASEMENTS, I WOULD SAY.
UM, COUPLE OF THEM ARE LIKE, UH, GAS PIPELINE EASEMENTS, UH, WHICH ARE RUNNING ON THE NORTH SIDE.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT THERE IS A WATERLINE EASEMENT ALSO, UH, WHICH IS RUNNING LIKE PARALLEL TO IT.
SO THERE ARE BASICALLY THREE EASEMENTS, UH, OVER ON THIS PROPERTY THAT THE ONLY CHANGE WHICH WE REQUESTED THIS MORNING IS ABOUT THE PAY STATION.
USUALLY IF YOU SEE THE PAY STATIONS ARE LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST A SMALL BOOTH, BUT THIS ONE HAS LIKE A RESTROOM, A DA COMPLIANCE RESTROOM.
AND IT HAS LIKE, SOMEBODY WOULD BE SITTING THERE ALWAYS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE EXPLAINING WHATEVER THE DEALS ARE OR IF THEY ARE HAVING TROUBLE PAYING TO THE PAY STATION, THERE'LL BE SOMEONE ASSISTING THEM.
SO THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE WE ARE REQUESTING.
BEFORE WE SUBMITTED IT WAS LIKE A 10 BY 13 FEET BUILDING.
UH, BUT NOW WE ARE ASKING FOR LIKE, UH, UH, 20 BY 13.
SO WE ARE INCREASING LIKE, UH, 10 FEET OR SO, LIKE ABOUT LIKE A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT BUILDING X UH, INCREASE.
IT WAS A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET BEFORE, NOW IT'S GONNA BE 200 SQUARE FEET PLUS MINUS.
OKAY, MARK, DO WE HAVE, UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND AT THIS POINT THEN AND OPEN THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING AT, UH, SIX 10.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO, UH, TO SPEAK? WE DO NOT, NO SIR.
THE ONE WHO SIGNED UP THAT BE THE CASE.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP THAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS?
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OKAY, THAT BE THE CASE.THEN AT SIX 10 WE'LL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WELCOME QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, MARK, CAN YOU SHOW US WITH YOUR LITTLE POINTER WHERE IT IS THAT THEY'RE INCREASING THE BUILDING? I APOLOGIZE FOR RAISING MY VOICE, BUT THE PAY STATION AS THE APPLICANT DISCUSSED IS THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE.
SO THE CARS WILL QUEUE UP, MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN INTO THE PAY STATION, AND THEN ENTER THE TUNNEL CAR WASH AND EXIT ONLY ON MARINA BAY? OR DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXIT BOTH WAYS? THEY HAVE THE, UH, ABILITY TO EXIT TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST, BUT IN ORDER TO EXIT TO THE WEST, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CIRCUMNAVIGATE THE PROPERTY.
AND WERE YOU CONCERNED AT ALL WITH THE TRAFFIC, UM, AT THAT INTERSECTION WHEN SCHOOL GETS OUT? THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT CAME UP FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
WE DID SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME JUST RELATED TO TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY THAT, UH, ENTRY INTO MARINA BAY DRIVE IS A RIDE IN RIDE OUT ONLY.
UM, THERE WAS SOME, UH, QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION WITH THAT SINCE THE, LET ME PULL UP THE AERIAL REAL QUICK, SINCE THERE WAS A MEDIAN CUT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO LIMIT, UH, TRAFFIC RELATIVE TO THAT ON THE, ON THE AERIAL AND THEN THE TRAFFIC LIMITATIONS ONTO, UH, DAVIS ROAD.
THE, THE EXIT ON DAVIS ROAD, IS THAT GONNA BE CONTROLLED BY SIGNAGE? IS THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S PARTIALLY SIGNAGE AND, AND PARTIALLY IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF AN ANGLED, UH, EXIT WHERE IT IS GONNA FORCE YOU TO TURN RIGHT.
ON DAVIS ROAD, ON MARINA BAY DRIVE.
SO IF YOU'LL SEE ON THE, SORRY, GOING WRONG WAY.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU MEANT.
YOU, I THINK YOU SAID YOU'LL KIND OF SEE, YOU'LL KIND OF SEE THE SPLIT ON THE ENTRANCE ON THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT TYPE OF KIND OF CENTER ISLAND ON THE DRIVEWAY IS WHERE IT TRIES TO LIMIT RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ON WHAT WE CALL RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY.
UM, SO WILL YOU GO BACK TO WHERE IT COMES OUT ON DAVIS ROAD? WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE? UH, SO THE AERIAL, UH, THE AERIAL WHERE OKAY.
WHERE IT SHOWS THE CAR WASH AND THE EXISTING.
SO WILL DAVIS HARBOR SUBDIVISION EXITED APPROXIMATELY THE SAME PLACE? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO, UM, IT'S GOT A SLIGHT OFFSET WITH THE IMAGING BANK, BUT CARE WAS TAKEN AGAIN, WITH DURING THE TRAFFIC REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THERE WHAT WE CALL AN OFFSET.
SO IT'S OFFSET A MINIMUM, UH, PER OUR STANDARDS.
AND THE CITY'S RECOMMENDING THIS AS PAR YOU MEAN AS FAR AS THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY RECOMMEND THIS SUP NO, WE'RE WE'RE JUST SAYING SHOULD IT BE WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT.
WE, IT IS JUST BASED ON OUR, BUT WE HAVE NO, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON THIS REQUEST.
WITH, WITH THE ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST WEEK, IS IT GONNA BE BOTH? I COULD BOTH OF 'EM GET APPROVED IN BOTH OF 'EM BE WITH, SO BASICALLY WE GOT THREE, WITHIN ONE MILE THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE FIVE.
SO IT'S BASICALLY, OR IS THE CITY GONNA LIMIT THE AMOUNT? LIKE WHO FAST TRACKS IT FIRST? THAT'S GONNA BE KIND.
IT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT'S DEPENDENT UPON CITY COUNCIL'S DECISIONS.
SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I KNOW GOOGLE MAPS IS OLD, UH, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DIRT WORK.
HAS THIS LAND BEEN PURCHASED? DID ANYTHING HAPPEN TO IT DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME? YEAH, UM, UH, NO, NOT REALLY.
UH, I THINK THE DIRT YOU ARE SEEING IT OVER THERE IS LIKE A PIPELINE EASEMENT WHEN THERE YOU GUYS WERE INSTALLING THE CITY WAS INSTALLING THE PIPE, UH, OVER THERE.
PROBABLY THE, THAT WOULD BE THE REASON THERE.
GIE YOU STATED THAT, UM, THAT THE CITY WAS LEAVING THIS AS AN OPEN AREA AND THEN, AND THEN Y'ALL DECIDED TO, TO GIVE IT, UM, CHANGE THE DESTINATION.
SO WHAT, WHAT CAUSED THAT? IT'S SUCH A ODD SHAPE.
SO THE, THE TRACK WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC BETWEEN
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1999 AND 2020 15.UM, AT THE TIME, THE ENTIRE TRACK WAS MEANT TO BE LIKE PARK AND OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN, BECAUSE THE INTENT WAS TO USE THIS AS KIND OF THE ALIGNMENT FOR THE GEN CODE CANAL.
AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'VE RECENTLY, WITHIN THE PAST, I BELIEVE IT'S THE LAST TWO YEARS, CREATED THAT TRAIL.
UM, IN ANTICIPATION OF GETTING THAT WORKUP TO THAT TRAIL, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE REST OF THE AREA REALLY WASN'T GONNA BE THAT WELL SUITED FOR PARKLAND OR OPEN SPACE BE GIVEN THE NATURE OF ITS LOCATION AND THAT THE IDENTITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE CITY REGULARLY DOES EVALUATIONS OF CITY PARK, OF CITY LANDS IN GENERAL.
AND SO AT THE TIME IT WAS IDENTIFIED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE WHAT WE NEEDED AS FAR AS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAIL AND THEN BEING ABLE TO REZONE IT TO A USABLE, UH, DEVELOPABLE SITE AND THEN SELL IT OFF, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, IT WAS REZONED IN 2015 AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER IT WAS SOLD BY THE CITY OF LAKE CITY.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ON THE PARKS BOARD FOR NINE YEARS.
SO, UM, I REMEMBERED WE WERE GONNA DO A JUNCTION HERE WITH THE WIDER PARK AREA.
UM, SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHY WHY THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY.
AND WHERE IS THE FIVE FOOT THAT THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO, INSTEAD OF THE 15, WE WANT BE ABLE TO DO FIVE FEET.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY SOUTHERN WHERE THE KIND OF THE CRUX OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE, THE BUILDING AND THAT KIND OF APEX OF WHERE THE, THE PROPERTY TURNS, THAT'S WHERE THE FIVE FOOT DECREASE THAT, THAT REQUIREMENT IS, SHOULD BE 15 FEET.
AND WHAT, WHERE IS THIS ACTUALLY WHAT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT? UH, JUST SOUTH OF IT IS THE IMAGING BANK BUILDING.
OKAY, SO THERE'S A PARKING LOT.
AND NOT TOO FAR AWAY IS THE, I WANT TO SAY PROBABLY 15 TO 20 FEET AWAY IS THE CANOPY FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE M AND G BANK.
UH, MARK, CAN YOU PUT THE, UH, DRAWING UP AGAIN AND ZOOM YEAH, THERE SO WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE THING.
UM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE EASEMENTS AND THE DIFFICULTY OF THIS PROPERTY, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD SITE PLAN AND PROBABLY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT THERE ARE ALREADY, UH, A NUMBER OF CAR WASHES IN THE AREA, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A HIGH TRAFFIC FLOW OF CARS GOING IN AND OUT.
I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S GONNA REALLY IMPACT THE TRAFFIC FLOW AROUND THERE VERY MUCH SO.
IT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD DESIGN TO ME.
UM, THE TRAILS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THROUGH PART OF THE, UH, HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS THROUGHOUT LAKE CITY.
THAT'S, UM, HOW IS THIS IMPACTING THIS? 'CAUSE PART OF THOSE IS HOW KIDS GET TO SCHOOL AND THE JUNIOR HIGH.
AND SO THE TRAILS ARE ALREADY IN THE TRAILS, ALONG THE CORRIDOR ALREADY IN, AS PART OF THIS REQUIREMENT, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPING THE TRAILS ALONG, UH, MARINA BAY DRIVE AND DAVIS ROAD.
SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE MAKING CONNECTING POINTS OR ARE FILLING IN THOSE AREAS, BUT GETTING RID OF THEIR EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT ISN'T GONNA CHANGE.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE THIS SITE ACTUALLY HAD TO WORK AROUND WHAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING IN THE EASEMENTS INSTEAD OF KIND OF THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD HAD TO DO WITH THE VARIANCE, AND I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THAT WITH, UH, WITH THE, THE FIVE FOOT MM-HMM
AND, UH, AND THEN DOWN BELOW IN THE UNDER STAFF FINDINGS, IT SAYS ENHANCED LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED TO MITIGATE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN? SO BASICALLY IN, IN, IN A NUTSHELL, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE REQUESTING THIS VARIANCE, WE WANT TO DO THIS TO MITIGATE THE REQUEST.
SO WHILE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THE, THE DISTANCE THAT IS NECESSARY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT TO KIND OF COUNTERACT THAT OR MITIGATE THAT, THEY WOULD PROPOSE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
SO YOU, YOU DON'T NOTICE THAT DISTANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
SOME REAL TALL, SKINNY LANDSCAPING AND, AND A AND A LOT MORE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST YOUR TYPICAL SHRUBS OR TREES ALONG, ALONG A, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY BOUNDARY, IT'S SHRUBS AND TREES.
YOU'RE SCREENING HEAVIER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING A LOT MORE HEAVIER DENSELY PACKED VEGETATION.
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ACCORDING TO, TO WHAT YOU GAVE US, UH, AMEE BANK HAD NO, NO OBJECTIONS TO IT WHATSOEVER.I, I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR, EXCEPT FOR THE, THE FACT THAT THE ADDRESS, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM AMEE BANK.
YOU KNOW, WE, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED TO 'EM THAT THEY MAY WANT TO TALK TO 'EM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE MUTUAL UH, ACCESS TYPE OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT I, AS FAR AS I KNOW, NONE OF THAT HAS COME TO FRUITION AND I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING DIRECTLY FROM AM A G BANK THEMSELVES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S DIFFICULT TO, UH, TO UH, APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHEN, WHEN THERE'S SO MANY OF 'EM AROUND, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE FOR.
SO IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO
AT, UH, ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UH, IS THIS SUPPOSED TO COME UP AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS? NO, NOT, NOT WITH US.
IT WILL AT THE, UH, AT, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE'LL SEE IT.
AND, UH, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
I'M THINKING THE PUBLIC'S HEARING, HEARING SITE SAID TONIGHT AND NO, IT, THE VOTE IS TONIGHT AND WE'LL COME UP, WE'LL DO THE, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.
IF, IF I MAY FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THERE'S A PLANNING, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.
YEAH, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT.
YEAH, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT YEAH, THEY HAVE ONE AND JUST LIKE WE JUST HAD, SO, BECAUSE SOMEBODY ASKED ME IF THEY COULD GO TO THIS ONE OR THE OTHER ONE, SO I KNEW THERE WAS TWO
SO
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR OWNER THAT BE THE CASE AND WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUP 24 0 0 0 5, UH, TO ALLOW A CAR WASH ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS IF I CAN FOR CLARIFICATION? IS THAT WITH OR, OR JUST A STRAIGHT MOTION OR IS THAT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION? WITH, WITH THE RECOMMEND, I'M SORRY, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION IN ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE DO HAVE ONE, ONE OPPOSITION THAT, UH, THAT BE, THAT WOULD BE 7 4 1 AGAINST, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THE MOTION DOES CARRY AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, REFERRED TO THE CITY TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
WE'LL GO ON TO, UH, ITEM B IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON A ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION MAP 25 0 0 3 SOUTHSHORE BOULEVARD TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 3.4 ACRES FROM PUBLIC AND SEMI-PUBLIC TO RSF SEVEN RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN, GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTH SHORE BOULEVARD, EAST OF MASTERS DRIVE AND WEST OF ADMIRAL ROAD.
ARE YOU GONNA DO THIS ONE TOO? YES, SIR.
SO AGAIN, MARK LINE SCHMIDT, PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY.
THIS REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR A REZONING FOR APPROXIMATELY 3.4 ACRES FROM PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC TO RSF SEVEN, WHICH IS AGAIN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT APPROXIMATELY 14 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THE AREA THAT YOU SEE ON THE AERIAL IS PROPOSED TO BE IN AN AREA OF, OF THE GOLF COURSE SOUTH SHORE GOLF COURSE THAT IS UNUSED.
THE NEAREST HOMES WOULD BE, WOULD BE TO THE WEST, UM, WITHIN THE SOUTH SHORE HARBOR SECTION 24 SUBDIVISION.
UH, WHILE NOT CONSISTENT, UH, WITH A FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND IDENTIFIES VACANT AREAS ALSO WITHIN PUDS FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH.
BUT IT DOES EMPHASIZE THAT THIS GROWTH SHOULD ALIGN WITH THE CHARACTER IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA.
NOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTEXT
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AND AND CHARACTER, THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE RSF SEVEN REGULATIONS IN WHICH IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT WOULD NEED TO BE DEVELOPED TO WHICH MOST OF THIS AREA, IF NOT ALL, WOULD BE RSF SEVEN.WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TOWN HOMES, THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE HOW DENSE IS IT, HOW HIGH IS IT, WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS, OPEN SPACE RATIOS.
SO ALL OF THOSE ARE KIND OF WHERE IT GOES DOWN TO THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THAT SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PROPOSED LAYOUT, UH, THE 14 SINGLE FLAMING RESIDENCES, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY, UH, IDENTIFIED IN THE AERIAL, UM, AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PRO.
AGAIN, SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, A TREE DISPOSITION PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO US AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE ADHERED TO OUR TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
AND IF THERE WERE ANY IDENTIFIED TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, TAKEN CARE OF, THEY WOULD, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE MITIGATION.
AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MITIGATION, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES IN WHICH THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE TO MITIGATE THOSE TREES.
UM, THEY CAN EITHER BY PROVIDING MORE TREES, SO FOR EVERY C INCH THEY TAKE OUT, THEY HAVE TO SUPPLY LIKE 1.3 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF CALIBER INCHES THEY CAN PAY INTO A TREE FUND OR, UM, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND WORK A SYSTEM OUT TO WHERE BASICALLY THE, THEY WOULD COORDINATE WITH THE CITY TO PLANT TREES ELSEWHERE NEARBY WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, AS PART OF THE PROCESS, THIS PROCESS, IF IT'S APPROVED, A LOT MORE DETAIL WOULD NEED TO BE HELD AND DETAILED REVIEWS WOULD BE HELD BECAUSE THIS SITE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO A PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEN GO THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE REVIEW PHASE.
AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE NOT ONLY INCLUDES WATER, SEWER, THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, AS WE MENTIONED, THIS IS GONNA BE A GATED AREA.
UM, IT WOULD ALSO DEAL WITH DRAINAGE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, ALONG THE 14 CORRIDORS, THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF SOCIAL HARBOR.
THAT FENCE IS GOING TO REMAIN.
HOWEVER, A PORTION OF THAT FENCE WILL BE REMOVED IN ORDER FOR THAT GATE TO AC TO GET INSTALLED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS PROPOSED AREA IS, UM, SHOWN AS BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER AREAS WITHIN AROUND THE GOLF COURSE.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE, THERE IS ACCESS TO WATER AND SEWER.
AND AS FAR AS FINDINGS ARE, THE REQUEST AGAIN IS CONSISTENT WHEN COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT LAND JUICES, NO NONCONFORMITIES WOULD BE CREATED AS A RESULT OF THAT.
WHILE AGAIN, INCONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND PEACE PLAN.
THERE ARE GOALS AND POLICIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS, AGAIN, OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE, THAT GROWTH WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS IN THE CONTEXT AND WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
IMPACT OF THE TRAFFIC ON THESE 14 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE.
AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, IT WILL ALLOW AN UNUSED, UH, PORTION OF THE GOLF COURSE TO BE NOW UTILIZED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM AS WELL.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 28.
WRITE IT DOWN BEFORE I FORGET.
AND DO WE HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK? YOU HAVE THAT MARKED? NO, SIR.
NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
YOU WANT TO KIND OF, YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FACT THAT, THAT THE PETITION THAT WE WERE GIVEN, WE CAN'T REALLY TALK, WE CAN'T ACCEPT.
SO THERE WAS, AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO OPPOSE AND THEY WERE ON THAT PETITION, THEY NEED TO GET UP AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? SO THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, DOES WISH TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND, UM, THERE WAS A PETITION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.
UM, THE PETITION FROM THE STANDPOINT OF STATE LAW INDICATES THAT THE PETITION CAN ONLY REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL DUE TO SOMETHING IF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT.
WHAT WE CALL A VALID PETITION.
THE PETITION OF THE PEOPLE SUBMITTED WAS WITH OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA.
SO WHILE WE RECORD THAT AS A PETITION IN OPPOSITION, IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT OR CREATE ANY ACTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
BUT AGAIN, THE APPLICANT DOES WISH TO SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT.
I'M THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE GOLF COURSE OF LAND.
TO SPEAK TO THE PETITION THAT IS, WAS ACTUALLY OVER
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A DIFFERENT RESO AND REQUEST.SO THE, THE PETITION YOU RECEIVED WAS A LOT EXTENSION REQUEST IN, IN ANOTHER AREA.
WELL, IT'S PART OF OUR PACKAGE.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ATTACHED INCORRECTLY.
I'M SORRY THAT, THAT'S ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I GOT.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS PART OF THE TRACK AND THAT'S WHERE WE DID REACH OUT TO THE, THE, THE PERSON WHO SUBMITTED THE, AND WE CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS FOR ANOTHER PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, BUT WE STILL LOGGED IT AND RECORDED IT.
AND IT AS SUCH, IT STILL HAS NO EFFECT ON THIS REQUEST MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS ANY ACTIONS REQUIRED BY CITY COUNCIL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD.
AT, AT THE VERY LEAST, WE'VE NOT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT, UH, WHILE INCORRECT AND NOT INCORRECT TOWARDS NOT CORRECTLY DIRECTED TOWARDS THIS, A PETITION WAS FILED WITHIN THE AREA OF THIS REQUEST.
WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF WE, IF WE WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU OR, OR THE, UH, UH, THE OWNER WITH THIS, UH, DO THAT AFTER, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? THAT BEING SAID OR NOT BEING SIR? WAIT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S A, OH, COME UP.
MAY I JUST CLARIFY MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND SPEAK AT THE PODIUM, PLEASE.
THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE RECORD.
YEAH, I THINK IT MIGHT CLARIFY IT A LITTLE.
AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'LL, HI, I AM SANDRA MCNEIL AND I'M AT 2 5 2 2 MASTERS DRIVE.
I'M THE ONE WHO WROTE THAT PETITION THAT GOES ON WITH THE ROTH THAT THE GOLF COURSE INDICATED AND SENT US ALL A NOTICE ON THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT FROM COMMERCIAL AND INTO RESIDENTIAL SO THAT ONE OR TWO NEIGHBORS COULD EXTEND THEIR PROPERTY TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO IT IS AGAINST OUR HOA DEEDS.
THAT IS WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH, THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT? NO, IT DOESN'T.
I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT, HOW IT BLOCKED THE VIEW.
AND UM, I HAD TOLD CHRIS THAT APPARENTLY FOR THE PETITION I SENT FORWARD, NOTHING ELSE HAS BEEN DONE IN REGARDS TO THAT YET AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO IT DOES NOT PARTICIPATE WITH THIS.
AND ACTUALLY, IF I'M GONNA SAY IT, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THEY'VE ALREADY BUILT HOMES THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THE TAX BASE.
IT'S GONNA ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I THINK THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION FROM WHERE MY PETITIONS FOR.
SO WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE COMING SOMETIME MM-HMM
I JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT, I USED TO LIVE THERE.
I I WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT LIVED IN 2 5, 2 4, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
I SAY IT HOW LONG IT WAS, BUT IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW THOSE HOUSES WERE GOING TO YEAH, YEAH.
BLOCK THE, THE VIEW OF THE GREEN.
AND I DIDN'T SIGN UP TO TALK, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD CLARIFY THAT THAT MIGHT HELP ME RIGHT NOW.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK TO THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND THANK YOU.
WE'RE HIS BACK UP? WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF IT? NO, HE'S, HE'S OFF.
ALRIGHT THEN, WE'LL, WE'LL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 34 AND WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, AND MAYBE WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OF YOU.
YEAH, I'M, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND AGAIN, JUST IN AUSPICES OF TRYING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDED WE'D RATHER PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION THAN NOT ENOUGH.
SHOULD WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WHERE THE HOUSES ARE? SO THE HOUSES ARE GONNA BACK UP TO THE GOLF COURSE? YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN IS THERE GONNA BE A ROAD BEFORE YOU GET TO SOUTH HARBOR AGAIN, BEHIND GATES? SO THE ROAD WILL BE BEHIND THE HOUSE.
THAT GRAY, THAT GRAY AREA IS THE ROAD THAT WILL PARALLEL SOUTH SHORE.
SO BETWEEN THE PROPOSED HOUSES, WHAT'S IN BETWEEN SOUTH SHORE AND THAT ROAD, IT'S A GATED ACCESS.
THESE, THESE ARE GONNA, THIS IS GONNA BE A PRIVATE STREET.
IS IT GONNA BE TREES OR JUST A GATE?
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ON THE ANESTHETICS, UH, THE, THE EXISTING FENCE, UH, WILL REMAIN MINUS THE ADDITION OF GATES.SO BASICALLY IT'LL BE UNCHANGED.
THERE, THERE IS EXISTING TREES THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE PICTURE THAT WILL REMAIN.
AND JUST AS A, AS A SIDE NOTE, WE'RE, OUR INTENTION IS TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES ON THAT CURRENT TRACK AND SELL THE LOTS WITH MATURE TREES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF THEM, WHICH IS THE APPEAL OF SEXUAL HARBOR.
WHOLE TREES WE'RE VERY TREE ORIENTED.
AND WELL, LIKE I SAID, THEY, WE, WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALREADY WORKED ON A MITIGATION PLAN OR WHATEVER ELSE.
THERE WILL BE SOME THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SPACE TO PLANT NEW AND ADDITIONAL TREES.
THE OTHER 240 ACRES OF, OF GOLF COURSE, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME AREAS THAT WE CAN PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES TO MITIGATE IT.
SO ON THE BACK, THIS IS WHAT IT'LL ALL LOOK LIKE.
THE REST OF SOUTH HARBOR WITH OPEN GATE, I MEAN, YEAH, IF YOU IRON FENCES, I MEAN, ALTHOUGH I CAN'T SPEAK IN THE, THE, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS IS THE FIRST HOUSE CLOSEST TO IT.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT, BUT THIS SORT OF FILLS IN THE LAST REMAINING PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS NEVER DONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED NOW TO, TO REALLY FIT A NEED IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, ONE STORY TOWN, HOME GARDEN, HOME STYLE HOMES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF LARGER HOMES AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE INTERESTED IN, IN DOWNSIZING OR WHATEVER ELSE TO A, TO A THIS SIZE HOME.
BUT YEAH, IT'S BASICALLY DESIGNED TO JUST FILL OUT THAT LAST LITTLE BIT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THESE ARE GONNA BE GARDEN HOMES, UH, PATIO GARDEN, I MEAN ONE STORY, ONE STORY HOMES, LIKE I SAID, ALL ALL WITH, YOU KNOW, 77, 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS OR LARGER.
THAT KINDA LEADS INTO MY QUESTION.
HOW ARE, ARE THESE THE FINAL NUMBERS AS FAR AS THE WIDTH OF, OF THE LOTS? ARE THEY ALL 50? THEY'RE NOT ALL 50 FOOT LOTS, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF 'EM THAT ARE 50 FOOT LOTS.
THE, UM, THERE MAY BE A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE LOT.
NUMBER ONE HAS NOT GREAT BUILDABLE SPACE, SO IT COULD BE REDUCED TO SAY 12 INSTEAD OF 14.
JUST TO, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET, UM, WIDE, BUT THEY, IT COULD ADJUST SLIGHTLY.
JUST TO, TO MAKE MORE SENSE, THERE'S ALSO SOME NICE MATURE TREES.
50 FOOT IS GONNA BE BASICALLY A ZERO LOT LINE.
NO, YOU HAVE TO FIVE FOOT ON EITHER SIDE.
THE BUILDING SETBACKS ARE, ARE THERE YOU, YOU CAN'T BUILD WITHIN FIVE FOOT OF THE PROPERTY LINE ON EITHER SIDE.
WELL, I'M A LITTLE UNPREPARED ON THIS BECAUSE I READ THE PETITION, I SAW THE PETITION ATTACHMENT NUMBER SIX.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE TONIGHT OPPOSED TO THIS.
I CAN, I CAN POINT OUT WHERE THE ACTUAL PETITION APPLIES TO.
IF YOU WANT, WOULD YOU, UM, THESE HOMES RIGHT HERE, THESE TWO? YEP.
THEY HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED TO EXTEND THEIR LOTS SO THAT THEY COULD, UH, EXTEND THEIR LOT TOWARD THE POOL AND YOU KNOW, THE PETITION CAME FROM
I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO HOMES TO THE SIDE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SOUTH SHORE HARBOR TOWN HOMES.
THAT WAS WHERE THEY HAD ASKED IF THEY COULD EXTEND THEIR LOTS, WHICH WOULD THEN CREATE SOME ISSUES OR THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN HOMES HAD ISSUE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE PETITION CAME FROM.
THAT'S A COMPLETE SEPARATE, WELL I DON'T THINK IT, THIS ISN'T YOUR, UH, PROBLEM, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT STAFF REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE INCLUDED THAT IN OUR PACKET, UH, BECAUSE I WAS COMPLETELY UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WHO OWNED HOMES IN SOUTH SHORE HARBOR IN THE ADJACENT AREA WANTED THIS.
BUT SINCE NONE OF THEM ARE HERE TONIGHT, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
SO, UM, GENERALLY THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF IT.
IT MUST HAVE BEEN, UM, I SAW ALL THIS STUFF AND THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE KIND OF HERE TO, AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITIZENS OF LEAGUE CITY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITIZENS ARE ALL FOR THIS.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS THOUGH, THAT, UH, SINCE THIS IS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE BUY IN THESE, THESE UH, AREAS, UM, YOU SAY THIS IS THE LAST ONE YOU'RE GONNA DO.
UH, ARE YOU SURE? ARE YOU GONNA DO ANOTHER ONE IN THREE YEARS?
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WELL THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER SPACE ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF COURSE IS MADE UP OF 14 DIFFERENT TRACKS BASICALLY.UM, THERE IS NO OTHER SPACE ON THE GOLF COURSE THAT LENDS ITSELF TO BEING DEVELOPED.
EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE SIGHT LINE AND ISSUES OR, OR, OR OTHER THINGS, OR, OR IT WOULD, IT'S A GOLF COURSE.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE 27 HOLE GOLF COURSE.
THE, ALL THE ACREAGE THAT'S USED FOR GOLF.
THIS IS, UM, REALLY THE ONLY DEVELOPABLE LAND THERE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF IT'S A 27 HOLE NOW AND YOU KEEP DOING THIS, IT COULD BECOME A PUTTING GREEN, UM, IF YOU KEEP BUILDING HOUSES OUT THERE.
BUT SINCE THE RESIDENTS, UH, DON'T SEEM TO CARE, UM, THEN I GUESS I DON'T EITHER.
SO
THE, THE GOLF COURSE IS 42 YEARS OLD NOW.
UM, IT'S, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED FOR THE PURPOSE OF SELLING LAND.
I REMEMBER THE WATER DISTRICT HOUSES AND, AND THERE IS NO, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE THE COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE THE CLUB AS IT IS 27 HOLES.
UM, SO THERE'S NO OTHER, THERE'S NO UNTO VERSION OF THIS THAT INVOLVES ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST COMPLETING THIS.
I DON'T WANNA SEE YOU BACK HERE IN FIVE YEARS.
I GUESS THE REASON I ASK ABOUT THE WIDTH OF THE LOT IS 'CAUSE THIS THE, WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED HERE, THE 6, 16, 17, WHATEVER OR SO CONTRARY TO WHAT THE THREE THAT, THAT ARE ON SOUTH SHORE BOULEVARD RIGHT NOW.
AND ALSO THE ONES THAT ARE DOWN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CLUB.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME NICE HOUSES IN THERE.
THEY, THEY, AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE GONNA BE NICE.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE ALL DESIGNER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT THAT THEY ARE PATIO HOMES.
AND AND THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE THREE THAT ARE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW.
THAT, I MEAN, THAT THAT IS, THAT IS TRUE.
THESE ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ACROSS THE LAKE IF YOU LOOK SOUTH OF, OF WHERE THE PROPOSED LOT IS.
IT'S IT SIMILAR TO THOSE THERE.
SO THEY, YES, THEY, THEY WOULD BE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, BUT THAT'S ALSO WHAT MOST ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, TO EITHER DOWNSIZE OR WHATEVER ELSE.
SO IT IS, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY FILLS A, A, A NEED IN THE MARKET.
UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY MARKETABLE.
SO THAT'S HOW IT WAS DESIGNED.
IS IT SEGREGATED THOUGH FROM THOSE OTHER LARGER HOMES? IT IS, YEAH.
PRIVATE DRIVE AND THOSE, I'M, I'M SURPRISED.
I, I GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME TO UN UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO CONTEST IT, BUT THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR AS WELL.
THEIR ONE REQUEST WAS THAT THEIR DRIVE REMAINED PRIVATE.
WHAT HOLE IS THAT? THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
WAS THERE ANY, OH, I, I DID HAVE ONE MORE THING AND I, I JUST, I JUST REMEMBERED WHAT IT WAS.
ARE YOU SURE THEY WANT YOU? YES.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT THEM? I DEAL WITH THEM.
YOU SURE YOU WANT THEM? SO NO.
YEAH, WE, WELL I'M, I'M WELL INVESTED WITH THEM NOW ALREADY.
LET ME JUST TAKE THAT ONE STEP FURTHER.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T END UP GOING WITH THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? THERE'S NO THAT WE ARE, THEY'VE, THEY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN AGREED TO BE AMENDED INTO THE EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THERE'S NO DIFFERENT VERSION OF THAT.
WE'RE AT A POINT THEN IF WE'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, INPUT FROM THE, FROM THE UH, STAFF OR AUDIENCE, NO QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER.
WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
I MOVE THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION MAP 25 DASH ZERO THREE AT SOUTH SHORE BOULEVARD TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PS.
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AND THAT SOUNDED LIKE A MOTION.ANY FURTHER, UH, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? IF, IF I CAN JUST FOR THE RECORD.
THE MOTION IS TO R SF SEVEN, NOT PS.
UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR CALL THE QUESTION THEN? UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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STAFF.JUST, UH, TWO ITEMS JUST TO MENTION.
THE REQUEST THAT CAME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WILL BE GOING TO THE AUGUST 26TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THEN THE, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE THREE LLOYD PUDS THAT WERE APPROVED, THEY WERE APPROVED AT LAST WEEK CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THEIR FIRST READING.
THEY WILL BE GOING FOR THEIR SECOND READING AT, UH, CITY COUNCIL'S NEXT MEETING NEXT WEEK.
ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? KINDA LIKE PAM.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE WERE IN FOR IT TONIGHT.
OKAY, THAT BEING SAID THEN, UH, WE'LL, UH, STAND ADJOURN AT 6 46.