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GOOD CITY COUNCIL OF LEAGUE CITY, TEXAS WILL NOW COME TO ORDER IN A WORK SESSION ON MARCH 25TH AT 5:00 PM ROLL CALL.
[3. PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING POTENTIAL STREET LIGHT ACQUISITION AND MODERNIZATION]
PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION REGARDING POTENTIAL STREETLIGHT ACQUISITION AND MODERNIZATION.I DON'T, I DON'T NEED ANYTHING.
I'M GONNA GIVE TIM, PUSH THE BUTTON.
I HAVEN'T BEEN UP HERE A LONG TIME.
IS THIS ON? UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL? UH, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO ME WITH US TODAY.
UH, I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW, BUT I'LL SAY IT ANYWAYS.
I'M YOUR PUBLIC WORKS MANAGER.
UH, I OVERSEE YOUR STREETS, YOUR STORM WATER, YOUR TRAFFIC, UH, SOLID WASTE, UH, BUT ALSO STREETLIGHTS.
AND SO, UH, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THESE FOR QUITE A WHILE AND IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN KIND OF, IT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME.
WE PAY FOR THESE AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE FEE STRUCTURE AND I SEE THERE COULD BE A BETTER WAY.
I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA PRESENT IT TO YOU.
WE'RE GONNA, UH, WE ASK TANKO ELECTRIC OR TANKO LIGHTING TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK OUT FOR US SO WE KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND, UH, GO FROM THERE.
SO I'M GONNA CALL IT NEIL TULLY.
UH, TRY AND GET SITUATED HERE.
MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL AND STAFF RESIDENTS.
AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
I AM A SENIOR ENERGY ADVISOR HERE WITH TANKO LIGHTING, A MUNICIPAL STREET LIGHTING CONSULTANT.
WE ARE CONTRACTED BY THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON YOUR STREET LIGHTING SYSTEM TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE VARIOUS LIGHTING OPTIONS THE CITY HAS MOVING FORWARD.
AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO, UM, BE ABLE TO MAKE IT DOWN HERE IN PERSON TO SHARE OUR RESULTS WITH YOU HERE TODAY.
UM, JUST A QUICK BACKGROUND ON US.
UM, TANKO LIGHTING IS A SOLE FOCUS MUNICIPAL STREET LIGHTING CONSULTANT.
LITERALLY ALL WE DO IS WORK WITH MUNICIPALITIES ON THEIR STREET LIGHTING SYSTEMS AND HAVE DONE SO FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS.
WE'VE HAD, UH, OVER 927,000 STREET LIGHTS COME THROUGH CONTRACT TO DATE.
WE'VE HELPED OUR MUNICIPAL CLIENTS ACQUIRE OVER HALF A MILLION FIXTURES FROM THEIR UTILITIES, AND WE'VE EVEN HELPED THESE COMMUNITIES MAINTAIN OVER 73,000 FIXTURES OURSELVES COMPLETING OVER 260 PROJECTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO UTILITIES PROVIDING STREET LIGHTING SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY, TEXAS NEW MEXICO POWER OWNS ABOUT 5,546 FIXTURES, AND CENTER POINT OWNS ABOUT 790 FIXTURES.
OUR STUDY FOCUSED ON THE BULK OF THE LIGHTING SYSTEM WITH TNMP.
NOW, AS MR. TEEL AND I DISCUSSED IN OUR VERY FIRST, UH, CONVERSATION LAST YEAR, THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY IS PAYING A LOT FOR THESE FIXTURES.
UH, YOU DON'T HAVE A MUCH CONTROL OVER THE LIGHTING SYSTEM, AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, THE TECHNOLOGY IS ANTIQUATED.
MOST OF YOUR, UM, SYSTEM IS COMPRISED OF HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM FIXTURES, UM, WHICH WERE INTRODUCED TO AMERICAN STREETS AND CITIES IN THE MID TO LATE 1960S.
UM, HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THERE IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR THE CITY TO ACQUIRE THE LIGHTING SYSTEM.
YOU WOULD DO THIS IN ORDER TO REDUCE YOUR OPERATING COST TO MODERNIZE AND UPGRADE YOUR LIGHTING SYSTEM TO LED AND THEREFORE IMPROVE YOUR NIGHTTIME PUBLIC SAFETY.
IN OUR STUDY, WE CONSIDERED FIVE SCENARIOS, UM, TO HELP THE CITY DETERMINE WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST PATH FORWARD.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, WE LEFT NO STONE UNTURNED.
UM, WE LOOKED AT WHERE THE CITY IS CURRENTLY HEADED IN OPTION ONE WITH A GRADUAL LED CONVERSION BY TNMP.
UM, WE COMPARED IF THE CITY SHOULD TAKE OVER THE NEW FIXTURES ONCE THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLED BY DEVELOPERS RATHER THAN LETTING TNMP UM, TAKE OVER THE FIXTURES.
UM, IN OPTION FOUR, WE LOOKED AT IF THE CITY SHOULD ACQUIRE THE LIGHTING SYSTEM WITH NO LED CONVERSION.
AND FINALLY, IN OPTION FIVE, UM, WE LOOKED AT IF THE CITY SHOULD ACQUIRE THE LIGHTING SYSTEM WITH A SUBSEQUENT LED CONVERSION.
UM, THIS YIELDED THE BEST RESULTS AND IN FACT, WHEN COMPARED TO OPTION ONE, OPTION FIVE, UM, THE ACQUISITION AND SUBSEQUENT LED CONVERSION, UM, COULD REDUCE YOUR ANNUAL LIGHTING COSTS BY OVER $750,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR AND SAVE MORE THAN $18 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
UM, WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT A $4.7 MILLION PROJECT COST WITH AN ROI OF UNDER SEVEN YEARS RIGHT AT 6.7.
WOULD YOU PREFER WE, UH, SAVE QUESTIONS TO THE END OR ASK? I SHOULD GO, YES, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT THE END? OKAY.
IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, YEAH, MAYBE, WE'LL, WE CAN HOLD IT
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UNTIL THE END.UM, SO OUR VISION IS FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO OWN THEIR LIGHTING SYSTEM LIKE THEY DO OTHER ASPECTS OF MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL GOOD REASONS THAT A CITY WOULD WANT TO OWN THE LIGHTING SYSTEM.
THE FIRST IS TO REDUCE YOUR COSTS, RIGHT? SO THE GENERAL IDEA HERE IS THAT THE CITY'S CURRENTLY PAYING ABOUT 12 TO $18 PER FIXTURE PER MONTH, WHEREAS WHEN THE CITY OWNS THAT NUMBER DROPS TO CLOSER TO FOUR TO $6 PER FIXTURE PER MONTH.
AND I'LL SHARE MORE ON THIS IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES.
THE CONTROL OVER THE LIGHTING SYSTEM WILL ALSO ENABLE THE CITY TO MODERNIZE, UH, THE LIGHTING SYSTEM, UM, BY UPGRADING TO A CITY SPECIFIED LED DESIGN.
SO THIS WILL THEREFORE IMPROVE THE NIGHTTIME PUBLIC SAFETY FOR NOT ONLY YOUR VEHICULAR, BUT ALSO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
THE MAINTENANCE CAN ALSO BE FULLY OUTSOURCED, UM, WITH GUARANTEED RESPONSE TIMES, ALLOWING THE CITIES TO RESPOND TO OUTAGE REPORTS FROM YOUR RESIDENTS IN AN EXTREMELY TIMELY AND EFFICIENT MANNER.
NOW, AS I MENTIONED, THE CITY, UH, TNMP HAS APPROXIMATELY 5,546 STREET LIGHTS, UH, HERE WITHIN THE CITY.
72% OF WHICH ARE A 100 WAT HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM FIXTURE.
AND I'LL USE THAT FOR THIS EXAMPLE.
NOW, UNDER TNMP, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY PAYING ABOUT $14 AND 12 CENTS PER FIXTURE PER MONTH IN PERPETUITY, WHICH I SHOULD MENTION IS SOMEWHAT HIGH COMPARED TO WHAT WE SEE IN THE MARKETPLACE.
IF TNMP CONTINUES ITS OWNERSHIP AND THE CITY MOVES TO LED WITH THE UTILITY, THE $14 AND 12 CENTS, I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE $14 AND 12 CENTS PER FIXTURE PER MONTH WOULD INCREASE TO ABOUT $29 AND 32 CENTS PER FIXTURE PER MONTH.
UM, MORE THAN DOUBLING THE MONTHLY FIXTURE COST.
WE ALSO EXPECT IT TO TAKE MAYBE SIX TO SEVEN YEARS FOR, UH, TNMP TO FULLY CONVERT THE SYSTEM TO LED.
NOW, IF THE CITY WERE TO ACQUIRE THE LIGHTING SYSTEM AND CONVERT TO LED, YOU WOULD MOVE TO A CUSTOMER OWNED LIGHTING RATE.
SO YOU WOULD NOW ONLY PAY ESSENTIALLY OR TNMP ESSENTIALLY FOR THE ENERGY CONSUMED, UH, WHICH REPRESENTS ABOUT $1 AND 75 CENTS PER FIXTURE PER MONTH.
EVEN IF WE BUDGET AN ADDITIONAL $2 PER FIXTURE PER MONTH TO OUTSOURCE THE MAINTENANCE, UM, YOU'RE STILL AT ONLY $3 AND 75 CENTS, WHICH IS MORE THAN A 70% SAVINGS ON $14 AND 12.
SO THIS SLIDE, SORRY, I KEEP HITTING IT.
THIS SLIDE IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE HERE.
UM, IF THE CITY WERE TO MOVE TO LED, WHICH IT SHOULD, SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES, WOULD WE RATHER PAY THE $29 PER FIXTURE PER MONTH OR FOUR? AND THAT SEEMS UNBELIEVABLE.
JUST FROM THE GET GO AT 14, 12 A MONTH.
DOES THAT INCLUDE, SO ARE THEY, AND I'M SORRY TO WAIT.
THAT INCLUDES ACQUISITION OF THE DEVICE AND MAINTENANCE OF THE DEVICE AND, AND ELECTRICITY WHILE THE 3 75, WHICH YOU'RE SAYING IS JUST THE ELECTRICITY.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THIS SLIDE, RIGHT? SO MAINTENANCE, THE, THE $14 AND 12 REPRESENTS AN ALL IN COST ON WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE 100 WATT FIXTURE CURRENTLY PER FIXTURE.
SO IT INCLUDES YOUR ENERGY, IT INCLUDES A FIXTURE COST, AND IT INCLUDES MAINTENANCE.
THE $3 AND 75 UNDER, UM, CITY CONTROL.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ELIMINATING THAT MONTHLY FIXTURE COST FROM THE UTILITY.
SO IF THE CITY OWNS, UM, YOU'LL ONLY BE PAYING FOR THE ENERGY CONSUMED AND THE MAINTENANCE, BUT WOULDN'T THE CITY HAVE TO PURCHASE THE DEVICE? CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO SHOULDN'T THAT BE ADDED INTO YOUR ESTIMATED MONTHLY COSTS, RIGHT? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST THESE ARE JUST OPERATING COSTS? THEY HAVE A SEPARATE PROJECT COST, BUT THAT SHOULD BE AMORTIZED OVER THEM.
WHEN THEY, WHEN HE SHOWS LIKE THE 20 YEAR SAVINGS, THAT COST IS BLENDED INTO THAT.
SO THE PROJECT COSTS HERE ON OPTION FIVE, YOU CAN SEE AT, UH, $4.7 MILLION.
IT, IT DOES HAVE AN ROI OF OF SEVEN YEARS.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REALLY DROPPING YOUR, YOUR ANNUAL LIGHTING COSTS FROM A LITTLE OVER A MILLION TO JUST UNDER A, A QUARTER MILLION, BUT CORRECT, IT, IT WOULD TAKE A A, AN ACQUISITION OR A PURCHASE TO, TO ACQUIRE THE LIGHTING SYSTEM.
IS THAT WHAT THE PROJECT COST IS THAT YOU HAVE DOWN THERE? THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECT COSTS I HAVE HERE IS ESTIMATED IS $4.7 MILLION.
AND THE 4.7 INCLUDES AN ACQUISITION AND AN LED CONVERSION.
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OKAY.SO THE, SO THE 14 TO THREE IS WITH THE BIG ASTERISK THAT SAYS, AND WE HAVE TO SPEND $4.7 MILLION.
WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO PUT THE ASTERISK IN THERE, BUT, ALL RIGHT.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S AN OPTION FIVE THERE.
SO IF THE CITY WAS TO TAKE ON A PROJECT SUCH AS THIS FROM WHERE WE'RE SITTING TODAY, LIGHTING AUDIT, NEGOTIATE WITH THE UTILITY CONVERT FIXTURES TO LED AND PUT TOGETHER A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, LIKE I, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE SEE A TOTAL PROJECT COST OF $4.7 MILLION SPREAD OUT PROBABLY OVER A COUPLE YEARS, UM, WITH OVER $13 MILLION IN SAVINGS, UM, FROM TODAY'S LIGHTING BILL OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
UM, THE PAYBACK HERE LOOKS STRONG COMING IN AT UNDER SEVEN YEARS, UM, WHICH IS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT WOULD TAKE FOR TNMP TO CONVERT THE SYSTEM TO LED, EXCEPT NOW YOU'LL OWN THE ASSETS AND BE PAYING CONSIDERABLY LESS.
AND I CAN BREAK OUT THE SAVINGS A A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
YOUR CURRENT BILL, UM, IS SHOWING ABOUT A $930,000, UH, ANNUAL COST ON STREET LIGHTING TO TNMP AND WE CAN GET YOU DOWN TO JUST UNDER A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE $680,000 IN ANNUAL SAVINGS ON THE 18 SLIDE.
SO THE 1212 $18, UM, PER FIXTURE.
IT WAS YOUR ALL IN COST, RIGHT? YES.
HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS FOR ENERGY? ENERGY TYPICALLY ONLY REPRESENTS ABOUT FOR A HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM FIXTURE, MAYBE $2.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE LEDS THEN? THE LEDS? MAYBE HALF OF THAT, SO ABOUT A DOLLAR.
UM, A DOLLAR OR SO IN, IN ENERGY, A LOT OF THESE COSTS ARE STEMMING FROM, UH, FIXTURE COSTS OR MAINTENANCE, UH, CHARGES FROM THE UTILITY.
THE ENERGY ACTUALLY REPRESENTS A VERY SMALL FRACTION OF THE LIGHTING COSTS.
AND SO, SO OUR BILL FROM OUR BILL FROM T AND I SAY TNNP, BUT OUR BILL FROM AN ELECTRIC COMPANY REPRESENTS A PER FIXTURE CHARGE AND IT DOESN'T GET BROKEN OUT, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, IT COVERS MAINTENANCE AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS ENERGY.
ENERGY AND THE, AND SO LIKE WHEN YOU GO RELEASE FEES, YOU HAVE FOR THE LIGHTS.
AND SO WHEN YOU GO TO LED, THE ADDITIONAL COST YOU GET IN THERE IS THEY CHANGE OUT ALL THE FIXTURE AND THEN THAT COST GETS BETTED INTO WHAT THEY CALL THE TARIFF TWO.
WHEREAS LIKE WHEN YOU BUILD A NEW SUBDIVISION, THE PEOPLE THAT PAY FOR THE LIGHTS IN THE NEW SUBDIVISION GENERALLY ARE THE DEVELOPER, AND IT'S, AND IT'S PAID AS A FEE TO TNNP IN MOST CASES.
SO AGAIN, ALL TNNP IS, THEY'RE CHARGING A PREMIUM FOR THEIR ASSET.
AND THEN THAT GETS REVIEWED BY THE PUCA EVERY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AND THE TARIFFS CHANGE AND GO UP.
AND SO I DON'T, LIKE I SAID THAT'S ALRIGHT.
I'LL, LET'S TRY TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WE CAN SEE THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON HERE OF HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM VERSUS LED LIGHTING.
I MEAN, YOU ALL KNOW THE LED LIGHT PROVIDES A MUCH CLEANER UNIFORM AND HONESTLY, SAFER LIGHT THAT WILL AID BOTH YOUR DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS WHEN NAVIGATING AT NIGHT.
AND I SEE THIS AS A NATURAL STEP IN THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY'S FUTURE.
AGAIN, THAT QUESTION JUST COME UP, COMES UP, WOULD WE RATHER PAY $29 A FIXTURE A MONTH OR FOUR? UM, I DID WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON MAINTENANCE QUICKLY AS IT WAS.
UM, IT'S TYPICALLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS MOST MUNICIPALITIES HAVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL I MANAGE THESE ASSETS WHEN WE ALREADY FEEL SO STRETCHED? UM, MUNICIPALITIES HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS WHEN LOOKING AT A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, NONE OF WHICH HAVE EVER REQUIRED ANY OF OUR CLIENTS TO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF OR PURCHASE EXPENSIVE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT.
UM, YOU COULD IN THEORY DO IT YOURSELF AND SOME OF OUR CL SMALLER CLIENTS DO TAKE IT ON.
HOWEVER, A LARGER CITY THE SIZE OF, UH, LEAGUE CITY, YOU WOULD TYPICALLY EITHER BID THE MAINTENANCE OUT OR E EVEN HIGHER TANKO AS YOUR MAINTENANCE PROVIDER.
UM, WE THINK THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO MANAGE AN LED LIGHTING SYSTEM WITH A LOWER FAILURE RATE IS TO OUTSOURCE THE MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE DON'T THINK IN THIS INSTANCE GOVERNMENT NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE BIGGER, JUST MORE EFFICIENT.
AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS IRONIC, BUT THE FACT IS, AND YOU CAN ASK MR. TEEL, WHEN YOU OWN THE LIGHTING SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY THAT'S LED, YOU'LL HAVE LESS TO WORRY ABOUT.
NO MORE WAITING ON THE UTILITY TO RESPOND.
MR. TEEL DOESN'T HAVE TO WONDER IF THE LIGHTS ARE FIXED OR HOW TO CREATIVELY REPLY TO, UH, ANY OF YOUR RESIDENTS, UM, TO REPORT OUTAGES.
RIGHT? SO TYPICALLY WE SEE REPAIRS HAPPEN WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS.
UM, SO YOUR RESIDENTS AREN'T CALLING BACK IN TO REPORT THE SAME OUTAGES.
AND YOU MIGHT THINK THIS WOULD BE A LOT TO TAKE ON, BUT IF WE THINK ABOUT IT, THE UTILITIES COVER THOUSANDS OF SQUARE
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MILES FOR REPAIRS AND NOT JUST ON STREET LIGHTING, RIGHT? THE CITY CAN DO A BETTER JOB OVER YOUR 51 SQUARE MILES OF MAINTAINING THE LIGHTING SYSTEM THEN THAN YOUR UTILITIES.UM, EVEN IF YOU OUTSOURCE IT TO A CONTRACTOR, THE CITY CAN NOW MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM PROACTIVELY, UM, DOING THINGS SUCH AS NIGHT CHECKS RATHER THAN WAITING FOR DOZENS AND DOZENS OF FAILURES TO PILE UP.
UM, TO SUM THIS UP, UM, WE REALLY FEEL THAT THIS IS A HUGE, AND SHOULD I MENTION RARE OPPORTUNITY, UH, HERE FOR THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY TO SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE ITS LIGHTING COST, REDUCE ITS ENERGY CONSUMPTION, IMPROVE THE NIGHTTIME PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY, AND SEE A RATE OF RETURN FOR MONEY WELL SPENT.
UM, WITH TANKER LIGHTING GUIDING THE CITY THROUGH THE THIS PROCESS AND A SUPPORTIVE PARTNER IN TNMP, WE'RE HOPING THE CITY WILL SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY AND PROVIDE A WORLD CLASS SERVICE FOR YOUR RESIDENTS.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME AND FOR HAVING ME.
UM, MR. SIMS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP UP? YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SAY IT EARLIER, BUT FIRST, NEIL WAS TELLING US WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, TOOK OVER OUR CURRENT STREETLIGHT SYSTEM AND NOW CHRISTOPHER'S GONNA TELL US ABOUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN WE'LL FINISH IT UP WITH SOME MORE QUESTIONS, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS QUESTIONS THERE.
UM, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? OKAY.
SO I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON, ON NEIL'S TOPIC, UM, AND, AND BREAK IT DOWN TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS AVERAGED ABOUT 125 LIGHTS A YEAR BEING ADDED TO THE CITY SYSTEM.
UM, SO I TOOK THE, THE INFORMATION IN, IN NEIL'S REPORT AND KIND OF LOOKED AT IT IN TWO DIFFERENT STANCES.
SO ONE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF ALL 125 LIGHTS ARE ADDED, UM, IN A-T-N-M-P SERVICE AREA AND WE TAKE OWNERSHIP.
SO WHAT THAT WOULD BE IS A RESULT OF ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE $29, EXCUSE ME, TO THE, TO THE 3 75 PER FIXTURE REDUCTION.
UH, THAT IS A REDUCTION OF ABOUT $25 A POLE, ABOUT $40,000 A YEAR.
IF WE SAY, HEY, EVERYTHING IS IN CENTER POINT, CENTERPOINT'S TARIFF IS NOT QUITE AS HIGH AS TNPS.
SO IT'S NOT AS BIG AS SAVINGS, IT'S ROUGHLY IN THE $8 RANGE.
UM, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH TNMP, NOT AS IN DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH CENTERPOINT.
THOSE ARE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK WITH THEM, BUT IT IS GONNA BE ROUGHLY IN THE $8, UH, POLL PER SAVING.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, 125 POLLS, THAT'S AROUND 12 TO $13,000 IN SAVINGS, UH, IN CENTER POINT SERVICE AREA AS WELL.
SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO TONIGHT, UM, IN COUNCIL SESSION, I HAVE A ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO OUR UDC.
CHAPTER 1 25 IS SECTION 5.9 THAT ADJUSTS AND CLARIFIES THAT STREETLIGHTS MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE OWNED BY THE CITY.
I APOLOGIZE TO MR. COLLINS IN ADVANCE.
I AM ASKING FOR A FIRST AND FINAL, UH, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH OUR LEGACY DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT IS HILLWOOD DEVELOPERS.
THEY HAVE THEIR FIRST PHASE WILL BE PLATS, WILL BE RECORDED BEFORE OUR NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THEY HAVE AGREED TO KIND OF BE OUR GUINEA PIGS, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT THIS MEANS IS, IN TALKING WITH THEM AND TNMP, IT IS A FULLY TNMP SERVED AREA TALKING WITH THEM AND TNMP, THERE WILL BE PEDESTALS SET AT THE RIGHT OF WAY CLOSEST TO THE TRANSFORMERS THAT WILL FEED THE STREETLIGHTS.
SO TNMP WOULD OWN THE CONDUIT AND THE WIRING COMING OUT OF THE TRANSFORMER TO THE PEDESTAL.
THE CITY WOULD OWN THE PEDESTAL, THE CONDUIT AND WIRING GOING TO THE POLE, THE POLE AND THE FIXTURE ITSELF.
UH, THAT IS A MINOR CHANGE TO THE HILLWOOD PRICING THAT THEY'VE AGREED TO TO DO FOR US.
UM, IT WOULD BE THE, UH, PEDESTALS AS BEING THE PRIMARY COST DIFFERENCE THERE.
THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR DESIGN RIGHT NOW ON THOSE.
SO I DON'T HAVE A FINAL COST OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS TO 'EM, BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON IT.
UM, IN TALKING WITH CENTERPOINT, LIKE I SAID, THERE WE'RE NOT QUITE AS FAR ALONG AS WE ARE WITH, UH, TEXAS, MEXICO.
SO IF THIS ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED, WE WOULD LOOK TO ROLL IT OUT IN OUR TNMP NEIGHBORHOODS FIRST.
SO THAT WOULD PRIMARILY BE THE LEGACY DEVELOPMENT AND THE NEW PHASES OF THE SAMARA DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT SERVICE AREAS, THIS ISN'T EXACT, BUT ROUGHLY THE GRAND PARKWAY IS THE BREAK SOUTH OF THE GRAND PARKWAY IS CENTER POINT.
NORTH OF THE GRAND PARKWAY IS TEXAS, NEW MEXICO.
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UM, YOU HAVE PETAL ON OUR EAST SIDE OF THE, OF THE WEST SIDE DEVELOPMENTS THAT SPLIT BETWEEN, UH, CENTERPOINT AND TNMP, BUT ALL OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY HAVE LEFT IS CENTERPOINT.SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO DO, UM, WITH THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE AND US TAKING OWNERSHIP IS REALLY KIND OF FINE TUNE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE TODAY THROUGH A POLICY THAT WOULD CLEARLY DEFINE CONTINUOUS LIGHTING FOR COLLECTORS AND ARTERIALS.
IT WOULD LOCK IN THE THREE TO 500 FOOT SPACING ON OUR LOCAL ROADS AND OUR SUBDIVISION SECTIONS.
MAKE SURE WE HAVE LIGHTING AT ALL OUR INTERSECTIONS FOR CONTINUOUS LIGHTING ON COLLECTORS.
FOR ARTERIALS, IT'S EVERY 200 FEET.
UH, THE PREFERRED LOCATION WOULD BE THREE FOOT FROM THE BACK OF CURB.
IF WE HAVE A DIVIDED ROADWAY, OR I'M SORRY, IF IT'S A TWO LANE ROADWAY, WE WOULD ALTERNATE ON EACH SIDE.
SO BASICALLY EVERY 400 FEET ON OUR ARTERIAL, YOU WOULD HAVE A POLE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IF IT'S DIVIDED, WE WOULD LOOK TO PUT IT IN THE MEDIAN OR IN PARALLEL ON THE OUTER SIDES OF THE ROAD.
AND THE REASON WE'LL GIVE THE OPTIONS IS WE DO ALLOW DRAINAGE IN THOSE MEDIANS.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S AWKWARD TO GET SOME POLES IN THE MEDIAN AND IT'S BALANCED, RIGHT? SO IN SOME CASES WE WOULD PREFER IT TO BE ON THE OUTER EDGES OF THE ROAD.
UM, WOULD ALSO LOOK TO REQUIRE A TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND ON THE STREET LIGHTING AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PICTURES, UM, THESE ARE IN LEAGUE CITY AND IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LED LIGHTS AND HPS LIGHTS.
SO HOBBS ROAD, THAT IS HIGH PRESSURE, SODIUM LIGHTS, IT'S A-T-N-M-P SERVED AREA.
YOU HAVE THE EARLY STAGES OF SAMARA ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND THE LATE STAGES OF SEDONA, I BELIEVE IT'S SECTION SIX ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE DARK SPOTS ARE ARE DARK.
UM, YOU HAVE THE YELLOW LIGHT WHERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT MULDOON PARKWAY AND WESTLAND RANCH SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ON OUR FAR WEST SIDE OFF OF MAPLE LEAF, THAT IS A-A-L-E-D SERVED AREA, IT'S A CENTER POINT SERVED LIGHTS, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A MUCH BRIGHTER, MUCH EASIER TO SEE TRAVELED ROADWAY.
THE TOP RIGHT PICTURE IS LOOKING INTO, I BELIEVE THAT IS SECTION THREE OF WESTLAND RANCH.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF IS LIT GOOD, BUT NOT TO THE LEVEL THAT THE, THAT MOLDING PARKWAY IS.
I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO, TO DAVID.
AND SO I KNOW THERE'S A FEW QUESTIONS, OR SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
AND SO TONIGHT THERE'S, THERE'S A QUESTION BEFORE COUNCIL AT THE REGULAR MEETING, WHETHER WE SHOULD TAKE THE LIGHTS GOING FORWARD AND WE'LL AND WOULD EXPECT ACTION.
AND WE THINK THAT'S A PRETTY EASY DECISION.
THE OTHER IS THE CONVERSATION RELATED TO THE ACQUISITION OF LET'S JUST START WITH TNNP 'CAUSE THAT'S THE EASY DISCUSSION.
SO, OKAY, SO OUR LAST SLIDE HERE.
SO SOME POSSIBLE NEXT STEPS IS A LIGHTING AUDIT TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE WHILE YES, TEXA MEXICO GIVES US THE GIS LOCATIONS, WE'D HAVE TO GO OUT THERE, SEE THE, THE POLE TYPE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE HEAD TYPE.
EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE ISN'T LEANING.
I KNOW THE MINUTE IF WE WERE TO TAKE THESE OVER EVERYTHING, THAT'S JUST A, WE, WE HAVE HIGH EXPECTATION, BUT IT'S JUST A LITTLE OFF.
WE WANT TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA WANNA PLAN ON FIXING THEM.
UH, THAT'S BEFORE WE WOULD ACQUIRE THE SYSTEM.
SO IT'S THE LIGHTING AUDIT AND THE SYSTEM EVALUATION.
UH, THEN WE WOULD NEGOTIATE AND ACQUIRE FROM T NEW MEXICO, AND THEN IT'D BE THE LED CONVERSION.
AND UH, THAT SHOULD BE THE LAST SLIDE AND WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS, UH, FOR ANY THREE OF US.
I THINK, UH, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE FOR HIM.
UM, I'LL START ON SLIDE EIGHT.
IF, UH, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT, MAYBE, UM, DO OPTIONS FOUR AND FIVE, THAT'S NOT CLEARLY INDICATED HERE, BUT I ASSUME THEY INCLUDE ALSO THE ADDING THE 125 NEW PER YEAR IN THOSE NUMBERS.
SO THEY DO NOT, WE JUST LOOKED AT THAT SEPARATELY IN OPTIONS TWO AND THREE, JUST TO GIVE THE CITY A, A VERY CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THERE'S NO OPTION HERE THAT SHOWS ACQUISITION AND, UM, THE NEW STUFF WE WOULD'VE TO DO SOME WEIRD COMBINATION OF THE NUMBERS.
SO I, I THINK TO MR. SIM'S POINT, WE COULD, WE COULD SORT OF, UH, EXTRAPOLATE SORT OF THE $40,000 IN, IN SAVINGS ANNUALLY TO, TO OPTIONS FOUR OR FIVE.
BUT, BUT WE SEPARATED THOSE JUST TO MAKE THEM VERY CLEAR.
OTHERWISE WE START GETTING INTO LIKE 7, 8, 9
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OPTIONS, WHICH, WHICH WE DID LOOK AT.UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE THE FULL COMPARISON BECAUSE SURE.
WHY WOULD WE ACQUIRE THE OLD ONES AND NOT THE NEW ONES? IF WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TODAY, THERE WOULD BE NO ACQUISITION ON THE NEW ONES AND WE WOULD JUST REALIZE THE SAVINGS BETWEEN THE $29 AND YEAH.
BUT I, I WANNA LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.
I, I DON'T LIKE DOING PART AND, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF I WAS ONLY GONNA DO PART, IT WOULD BE, UM, THE NEW, I, I JUST, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY WE ONLY DO PART IF WE'RE GONNA GET IN THE BUSINESS OF MAINTAINING THESE WHY OR WE NOT.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF TRUTH AND LENDING FOR ME, WHICH WAS IF I JUST TAKE THE EXISTING SYSTEM, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST ME TO ACQUIRE AND CONVERT IT AND WHAT WOULD THOSE SAVINGS BE? AND THEN DOING AN ANALYSIS ON THE ADDITIONAL SAVINGS FOR THE NEW ONE, WE CAN PERFORM THAT PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO IT'S, IT'S UH, IT'S $38,000 A YEAR IN SAVINGS.
RIGHT? WELL, IN YEAR ONE AND YEAR TWO THEN IT'S $76,000 IN SAVINGS.
AND THEN IN YEAR THREE IT'S ANOTHER 38,000.
SO IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 34,000,020 7 MILLION OVER 20 YEARS.
SOMETHING PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE OPTIONS.
THE NEXT, UM, OPTION, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ONGOING COST OF, OF HAVING OURSELF, DID WE BUILD IN ANY INFLATION TO THAT, THAT COST, WHETHER IT BE WAGES FOR IN-HOUSE OR, OR CONTRACT GOING FORWARD? YES, SIR.
I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE INFLATION RATE WAS, BUT I BELIEVE WE ADDED A 3% INFLATION RATE AND A 1% UTILITY COST ESCALATION IN THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO ON SLIDE EIGHT, THE, UH, ALL OF THESE ADDITIONAL NEW LIGHTS PER YEAR ARE ASSUMING THEY'RE GOING INTO NEW SUBDIVISIONS, THERE'S NO TALK OF BACKFILL TO GET OUR EXISTING ARTERIAL ROADS, FOR EXAMPLE, UP TO THE NEW STANDARD.
SO IT'S ONLY LOOKING AT, AT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ONLY.
WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, PROPOSED CIP PROJECTS THAT LOOK AT CORRIDORS WHERE YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, PURCHASE THOSE CORRIDORS OR, OR ADD LIGHTS TO THOSE CORRIDORS.
UH, AND, AND THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE.
SO, SO THE ANALYSIS, THE 125 IS JUST FOR GROWTH, NOT FOR REPLACEMENT OR MAINTENANCE PIECES.
I'M NOT SAYING REPLACEMENT OR MAINTENANCE, I'M SAYING INFILL, FOR EXAMPLE, 96 6 HAS NO STREET LIGHTS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS TOO.
IF WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT A STANDARD, UM, AND WE SAY IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, WHY WOULD WE NOT AT LEAST PRICE IT OUT FOR EVERYWHERE AND, AND BUILD THAT INTO OUR MODELING TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
UM, SLIDE 10, TEXAS, NEW MEXICO, STICKING WITH THEM AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND IT MADE NO SENSE, THEN IT MAKES LESS SENSE.
NOW, WHY DOES IT COST MORE FOR US TO GO TO AN LED THAT THEORETICALLY SHOULD TAKE LESS MAINTENANCE AND USE LESS POWER? I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY MADE AN ARGUMENT TO THE PUC THAT THEY HAD TO RECOUP THEIR INVESTMENT AND THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT THE PUC APPROVED.
BUT THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BACK OFF ONCE THEY'VE RECOUPED THAT FIXTURE.
ONLY IF ONLY IF WE WERE TO TAKE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN THE TARIFF CONVERSATIONS WHEN THEY COME FORWARD.
UM, YOU MENTIONED QUALITY DIFFERENCE OF THE LIGHT AND OBVIOUSLY THE COLOR ISSUE.
IS THERE BRIGHTNESS LUMENS ON THE, THE LED VERSUS THE HPS? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SURE.
TYPICALLY, UM, TYPICALLY THE LUMEN LEVEL IS, IS SIMILAR.
YOU'RE JUST DIRECTING THE LIGHT WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO RATHER THAN IF YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR CURRENT HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM, THEY'RE KIND OF JUST A, A BOMB.
THEY GO EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? UM, SO THE LED LIGHT WOULD BE MORE FOCUSED, SIMILAR LUMEN OUTPUT, UM, JUST MORE EFFICIENT IN GETTING THE LIGHT THERE, DRAWING LESS WATTS, DOES THAT CUT LIGHT POLLUTION? IT WILL HELP CUT LIGHT POLLUTION BECAUSE YOU'LL BE FOCUSING THE LIGHT DOWN RATHER THAN, THAN OUT.
SO PUTTING THE LIGHT WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND IN THE ROAD AND NOT IN PEOPLE'S HOMES OR
RIGHT NOW, IF, UH, YOUR 16-YEAR-OLD SON TRIES TO TURN HIS CAR INTO A HELICOPTER AND HE TAKES OUT A A POLE THAT'S OWNED BY TEXAS, NEW MEXICO, THEY HAVE A SERVICE THAT BILLS THAT INSURANCE.
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BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MAINTENANCE OR BILLING FOR THAT IN THESE COSTS? A LOT OF, UM, POLL KNOCKDOWNS ARE, ARE RECOUPED BY MUNICIPALITIES SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER INSURANCE POLICY.SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE, SO IF SOMEBODY CONTRACTS WITH Y'ALL, DO Y'ALL HANDLE THAT ASPECT OF IT FOR THE MAINTENANCE? YES, SIR.
WE WOULD BE HANDLING POLE KNOCKDOWNS AS WELL.
AND, AND Y'ALL WOULD BILL THE INSURANCES AND ALL THAT? YES, SIR.
WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE HANDLING THAT AS WELL, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET INTO THE BILLING.
LIKE YOU HAVE A LITTLE
SO, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, THE, USUALLY THE DEVELOPERS ARE PUTTING THESE IN THERE AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEGACY AND SAY, WE DIDN'T PASS THIS TONIGHT AND WE GO TWO WEEKS, AND THEN NOW LEGACY'S GONNA GO THROUGH THERE.
TMP DIDN'T PAY FOR THESE POLLS TO GO IN AND THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO BUY SOMETHING FROM THEM THAT THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR? USE ANY SUBDIVISION USE A SUBDIVISION THAT CAME IN LAST YEAR.
RIGHT? THE DEVELOPER PAID FOR THAT.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE WE BUYING FROM THEM THAT THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR? SO THE OWNERSHIP IS TURNED OVER TO TNMP IN THOSE CASES.
BUT THEN WE'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T DO, SO WE'RE BUYING IT FROM THEM.
UH, AND THEN WHY WOULD THEY SELL THIS TO US? IT SEEMS LIKE THEY GOT A PRETTY, THEY GOT A PRETTY GOOD THING GOING HERE, RIGHT? THEY'RE GOUGING US.
WHY WOULD THEY SELL IT TO US? SO, SO I I DID NOT ASK THAT, THAT QUESTION.
WHEN, WHEN I MET WITH VINCENT AND, AND 10 MP, UH, JUST IF THEY WERE INTERESTED AND THEY SAID ABSOLUTELY THEY WERE INTERESTED.
CAN THEY SAY NO OR, OR DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUY IT? LIKE IN THE BUY THE PUCI? I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO.
UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE CAN'T WORK OUT SOME AGREEMENT, BUT IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE EXPENSIVE.
WELL, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE SELLING SOMETHING THEY GOT FOR FREE.
BUT THEY GOT A, THEY GOT A $29, UH, MONEY MAKER HERE.
SO CAN WE GO BACK TO TONIGHT'S, I'M SORRY, TOMMY.
UH, CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION ON THE FIRST AND FINAL.
THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY I DON'T VOTE FOR 'EM.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASON YES, SIR.
ARE BEHIND THE, THE FIRST AND FINAL ALLOTTED TIMES.
SO, UH, IF, IF IT CAME ABOUT TONIGHT FOR FIRST AND FINAL, I LIKED YOUR EXPLANATION.
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT FOR IT.
UH,
BUT WHAT ABOUT, AS COUNCILMAN TRESSLER STATED, THE BACK FILLING OF MAYBE, MAYBE THE OTHER ROADWAYS THAT DON'T HAVE THEM, WHAT IS THE TYPICAL COST OF A STREETLIGHT TO BE INSTALLED? AND I GUESS THIS COULD BE, SO I, I CAN GIVE YOU, OKAY.
A CURRENT EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, ON LEAGUE CITY PARKWAY, JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO MAPLE LEAF, IF I'M COMING OFF OF FIVE 18, WHERE I'M NEAR THE PONDS ON WESTWOOD MM-HMM
FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE HAVE FOUR STREETLIGHTS THAT WERE MISSED.
FOR US TO HAVE THOSE FOUR STREETLIGHTS ADDED TO THE EXISTING TNMP POLES IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $10,000 TO TOTAL.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THAT, THAT $14 OR $29, WHICHEVER TYPE THEY INSTALL, I SHOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE INSTALLING LEDS NOW.
IF WE WANT TO GO UNDERGROUND POWER AND SET NEW POLES AND EVERYTHING, THEN IT'S THAT PRICE PLUS A LITTLE BIT MORE PER LIGHT PER FIXTURE.
SO IT, IT'S FOUR TO FIVE TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO YOU'RE IN THE 50 TO 60,000 PACKAGE.
MOST OF THE STREETLIGHTS THAT WE SEE NOW ARE, ARE INSTALLED.
MAYBE, MAYBE SOME OF THE, UH, OLDER SUBDIVISIONS MAY NOT HAVE THEM, BUT I THINK MOST OF 'EM ARE DONE.
UM, CAN THIS BE DONE IN HOUSE, I GUESS, DAVID, UH, ON THE MAINTENANCE OR WOULD YOU SUGGEST GOING OUT TO A THIRD PARTY? UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO IT.
IT, IT MAY BE A BETTER WAY TO JUST START WITH CONTRACT AND THEN WE BUILD UP OUR FORCES MAY BE A BETTER WAY.
WE COULD, WE, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS.
YES, WE COULD DEFINITELY DO IT.
I KNOW EVERY, EVERY MONTH I PROBABLY TURN IN SEVERAL LIGHTS OUT THROUGH DRE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND I KNOW IT TAKES TIME FOR TMP TO, TO FIX 'EM OR TO REPAIR 'EM.
AND, AND IT'S VERY IRRITATING.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM.
THE OTHER QUESTION I, I HAVE, IS THERE A WAY THAT SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED OR MAYBE NEW ONES THAT KINDA LIKE BAY COLONY OR SOMETHING, THE HOA, COULD WE CHARGE THEM? JUST KIDDING,
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BUT THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION, I MEAN, A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS ASKED, UH, TWIN OAKS WAS ONE OF 'EM.
YOU GO DOWN THAT, UH, TWIN OAKS BOULEVARD AND IT LOOKS LIKE A LANDING STRIP.
SO, UM, IS THERE A WAY TO RECOUP SOME OF THE COST IF SUBDIVISIONS, OLDER SUBDIVISIONS? SO, YES.
SO WHAT WE TELL SUBDIVISIONS TODAY IS AS IT RELATES TO LIGHTING THE SUBDIVISION, THERE'S KIND OF SOME PEOPLE LIKE MORE LIGHT, SOME PEOPLE LIKE LESS LIGHT.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONSENSUS WHETHER THAT COMES FROM THE HOA AND THEN WE ASK THEM TO PAY ANY UPGRADE COST, WHICH WHEN YOU GO INTO AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION WITH UNDERGROUND POWER, TYPICALLY THAT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO $15,000 PER LIGHT.
SO THAT'D BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO FOR SIDEWALKS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I WILL TELL YOU, TRYING TO GET THE NEIGHBORS TO AGREE THAT A LIGHT SHOULD BE ON THAT POLE.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS WHO'S GONNA PAY THE $15,000 HAS ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN THE HURDLE.
I THINK IN MY 30 YEARS I'VE PROBABLY PUT IN HALF A DOZEN LIGHTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PAID FOR 'EM.
AND IF I COULD BOUNCE BACKWARD JUST A SECOND.
UH, COUNCILMAN TRESSLER QUESTION.
WHAT THIS IS WHAT CAUGHT THE ATTENTION? NUMBER ONE, WE WANNA GET 'EM FIXED QUICKLY AT TEXA MEXICO.
UH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE THAT A WEEK OR LESS.
THREE TO FIVE DAYS IS WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE FOR.
UH, AND THEN, BUT THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE, THAT'S WHAT, BECAUSE I'VE, I'M, I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS 32 YEARS, MAINTAIN STREET LIGHT.
I'VE SEEN THE TRANSITION FROM OLD, THE OLD INCANDESCENT TO LED AND UH, AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE THIS NUMBER BECAUSE WHEN I CAME HERE IN 2011, THEY WERE ALL HPS ON THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
AND WE WERE RUNNING CALLS ABOUT ONE A WEEK.
ABOUT ONE A WEEK WE'RE REPLACING 'EM.
EVERY TIME YOU LOOK AROUND, THERE'S ANOTHER, SOMETIMES TWO, WE CHANGED 'EM TO LED.
THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS RIGHT AWAY I SAID, LET'S CHANGE THESE RIGHT AWAY.
'CAUSE THIS IS NERVE WRACKING.
YOU, YOU CHANGED ONE OUT AND IT'S ALREADY, UH, OUT AGAIN.
AND NOW THEY, THEY BARELY EVEN SUPPORT 'EM.
SO WHEN I SAW THIS, I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT BECAUSE I KNOW OUR COSTS WENT WAY DOWN.
THAT'S WHY I KNEW IT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO REALLY QUICK.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY THIS SLIDE WHAT REALLY PERKED ME UP, THIS COST LESS WORK.
I I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE IN THE ELEVATE BLACK BELT.
UH, YOU GOT US TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STAFF DOING THE MAINTENANCE, ABSOLUTELY IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
BUT I THINK SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE TAKES A LICENSE ELECTRICIAN TO DO MM-HMM
WHICH WE PROBABLY HAVE TO HIRE.
AND THEN PROBABLY EQUIPMENT WISE, WHETHER OUR BUCKET TRUCK'S THE RIGHT BUCKET TRUCK FOR THAT INSTALLATION OR WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER BUCKET TRUCK.
SO THERE ARE SOME COSTS WITH US TAKING OVER MAINTENANCE.
AND SO I TALKED TO ANOTHER CITY, WAS IT COLLEEN OR ONE OF THEM AND, UH, THEY, THEY DID THIS OR CEDAR PARK? CEDAR PARK, YEAH, CEDAR PARK, STEPHEN HOSKIN AND CEDAR PARK.
THEY DID TAKE OVER THEIR MAINTENANCE AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY CHANGED EVERYTHING TO LED AND THEY WAITED FOR THE RETURN AND THEN THEY STARTED INVESTING IN SOME OF THEIR CREWS.
SO THEY HURRY UP AND DID THAT.
SO THERE'S NOT AS MANY SERVICE CALLS AND THEY STARTED REINVESTING.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO BE MORE PROACTIVE AND START DETERMINE WHERE THE LIGHTS ARE GONNA GO OUT BEFORE THEY GO OUT.
WHICH I, I SEE US DOING THAT SOMEDAY IF WE WERE TO GO THIS PATH, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST WAIT AND WAIT FOR IT TO GO OUT.
AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD KNOW THE AGE OF THE LICE AND WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED, YOU START KNOWING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT.
SO, COURTNEY? YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME THAT I, I DROVE DOWN THE STREETS, IT WAS ALL LED LIT.
IT, UH, YOU KNOW, FELT LIKE IT WAS DAYLIGHT.
THEY CERTAINLY CHANGED THE CHARACTER OF THE ROADS THAT THEY'RE ON.
UH, GOING FROM THE WARM YELLOW LIGHT TO THE BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT, UH, DID YOU GUYS GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM, FROM RESIDENTS THAT HAVE CURRENT LED LIGHTS? HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT HOW IT CHANGED THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? NO.
UH, NEWPORT ELLIS LANDING, THEY, THEY LOVE 'EM.
UH, THE, THE THING I SEE DIFFERENT, YES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, IT HAS THAT NICE WARM GLOW AND NOW YOU HAVE THE BRIGHT WHITE.
I THINK YOU MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO GET SOME LEDS ARE TONED DOWN A LITTLE BIT NOW.
UH, BUT, AND THEY DO HAVE KIND OF A PRONOUNCED CUTOFF.
YOU KNOW, YOU GO AND GET SOME OF THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BLEND OUT.
SO EVERYTHING I HEARD, SO WE WORKED WITH CENTER POINT PROBABLY MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, AND THEY DID A TOTAL SWITCH OUT FROM HIGH PRESSURE SODIUM TO LED ABOUT, IT WAS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS THAT WE GOT FROM THAT, FROM THE NEIGHBOR, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE.
SO IF YOU DRIVE DOWN MULDOON ON THE FAR, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE FAR WEST SIDE, SO OFF OF MAPLE LEAF TO MULDOON, IT IS SUCH A, IT IS SUCH A DIFFERENT IN FEELING FROM, YOU KNOW, WE LIGHT ARTERIALS AT A MINIMUM LEVEL AND THEN THIS IS SO SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.
SO, SO CENTER POINT, LIKE JOHN SAID, HAS BEEN LEDS FOR, FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
TNMP HAS SAID THAT THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS ALL LEDS MOVING FORWARD AS WELL.
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SO WHAT CENTER POINT, WHAT TNNP TELLS US ON THE STREET LIGHTS IS, IS THE LIGHTS BREAK.THEY CAN'T GET PARTS FORM 'EM AND THEN THEY'RE CONVERTING 'EM, UM, AT LED TO LED AT THAT TIME.
SO IF IT'S JUST A BULB ISSUE, NO BIG DEAL.
IF IT'S A BALLAST OR A PHOTO CELL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GETTING AN LED OUT THERE, IT'S A DOUBLE THE CHARGE TOO.
SO YEAH, IF THEY, IF THEY WERE, IF IT'S A REPAIR, THEY JUST REPLACE IT NO CHARGE.
IF WE SAY, HEY, GO DO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S $104 PER LIGHT.
SO, UM, YOU MENTIONED THE COST OF ADDING THE LIGHTS TO EXISTING CENTER POINT POLES.
IF WE OWN IT ALL OURSELVES, ARE WE STILL ALLOWED TO ADD LIGHTS TO THEIR POLES OR DO WE HAVE TO PUT UP POLES FOR OURSELVES? YOU WOULD, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING TO A, LIKE A, A THREE PHASE OVERHEAD OR, OR SOME TRANSMISSION LINE YEAH.
VERSUS ADDING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF RENTAL AGREEMENT, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PLACE TO ALLOW US TO ATTACH TO THEIR POLE, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT IN, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT AGREEMENT WHILE WE'RE BUYING THESE FROM THEM.
SO LIKE, SO LIKE, SO LIKE WE TALK ABOUT ADDING LIGHTS ON MARINA ON MARINA BAY, SO IF WE ADDED LIGHTS TO THE POLES THAT DIDN'T HAVE THEM, THEY WOULD STILL ALLOW THAT THEY, THEY DO TODAY.
UM, SO THE CIP PROGRAM THAT, THAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT, WHERE'S THE, WAS SAYING THAT WE WOULD NOT BUY 'EM OUTRIGHT, THAT WE WOULD JUST ADD TO THEIR SYSTEM.
AND THEN I BELIEVE WE GAVE, WE DID LOOK AT AN OPTION THAT HAD BUYOUT ON ONE OF THE SEGMENTS, BUT I BELIEVE MOST OF THEM WERE JUST ADDING TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM.
BUT OBVIOUSLY ADDING LIGHTS TO AN EXISTING WOODEN POLE IS SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER THAN, THAT'S CORRECT.
BUILDING A NEW UNDERGROUND SEPARATE POOL SYSTEM.
SAUNDERS, UM, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE TURNAROUND TIME? SO WE, LET'S SAY WE SUBCONTRACT Y'ALL, WE HAVE LIGHTS OUT.
HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE TO GET YOUR CREWS OUT THERE TO FIX THESE LIGHTS? UM, TYPICALLY, I MEAN, THAT CAN BE WRITTEN HOWEVER WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN THE CONTRACT WITH THEM.
I KNOW RIGHT NOW WITH TEXAS, MEXICO, WE, WE REPORT 'EM AND IT'S SEEMS LIKE FOREVER FOR THEM TO FINALLY GET OUT THERE.
AND THEN THEY COME OUT, THEY SIT IN THEIR TRUCK, THEY LOOK AT 'EM, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE ON.
AS SOON AS THEY LEAVE, THE LIGHTS GO OUT AND THEY WON'T COME BACK.
SO WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS THE TURNAROUND TIME, IF WE WENT SUBCONTRACT WITH Y'ALL, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THIS? WE TYPICALLY WRITE OUR CONTRACTS TO REPAIR, UH, WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS.
AND THEN ANY EMERGENCY REQUESTS OR REPAIRS WERE THERE WITHIN AN HOUR OR, OKAY.
AND IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, WE ARE CON WE'RE CHECKING THEM OVER AND OVER.
SO THERE'S A SOFT COST SAVINGS TOO WITH THE STAFF GOING OUT THERE CHECKING, ARE THEY WORKING? IF WE DID IT, I'D HAVE VERIFICATION IF WE, OR YOU KNOW, TANKO DID IT OR A CONTRACTOR, WE'D HAVE VERIFICATION.
VERIFICATION RIGHT AWAY THAT IT'S FIXED.
ARE YOU GOING OUT THERE AT NIGHTTIME OR YOU GOING OUT? 'CAUSE TEXA MEXICO COMES OUT DURING THE DAYTIME.
AND WE NOTE ON THERE WHEN IT TURNS OFF AND ON, HOW WE OUT, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX THESE.
AND WE NOTE ON THERE AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND THEN WE YES.
SO YOU, YOU GO OUT THERE AT NIGHTTIME CHECK.
UH, THEY DID A NIGHT RUN LAST WEEK.
SO I, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS A, UM, THIS IS A GOOD STEP AND A PROBLEM THAT, THAT I, I'VE BEEN CONCERNED WITH FOR A LONG TIME.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE WORK ON THIS.
ANDY, CAN WE GET BACK TO YOUR ITEM TONIGHT? YES.
WHAT IS THE ITEM NUMBER? IT IS, IS THIS 10 A? IT IS 10 A.
ARE WE BUYING? WE WOULD NOT BE BUYING 10.
BUT, SO, BUT THESE WOULD BE THE FIRST, WHAT, 125 THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR? SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE THE, IN ESSENCE LEGACY WOULD BE THE FIRST SUBDIVISION MOVING FORWARD THAT WE WOULD OWN THE LIGHTS FOR.
WE'VE GOT A, UH, LIGHTING POLICY THAT WE'RE ABOUT 90% COMPLETE WITH TALKING ABOUT THE LUMENS.
TALKING ABOUT THE PLACEMENTS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, THE AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH, WITH UH, HILLWOOD WAS THAT WE WOULD KEEP 10 MP'S STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR THEM WITH THEIR FIRST PHASE, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST, I BELIEVE 300 TO 400 LOTS IN THEIR SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO IMPLEMENT.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE SAMARA THAT HAS THREE PHASES UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW WITH A FOURTH, THEY JUST BOUGHT SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THEIR FOURTH PHASE.
I THINK YOU KEEP EVERYTHING AS IS AND PHASES.
1, 2, 3 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY INVOLVED.
PHASE FOUR WOULD BE CITY OWNED.
I THINK WITH PETAL AND UM, UH, THE
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UPCOMING LLOYD TRACKS, THERE'S ENOUGH TIME TO GET OUR POLICY IN PLACE AND WORK WITH THOSE DEVELOPERS.UM, AND, AND FOR PETAL, IT WOULD STRICTLY BE THE, THE SECTION SOUTH OF FIVE 17.
EVERYTHING NORTH OF FIVE 17 SEEMS TO BE TOO FAR ALONG.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR YES SIR.
IF USED TONIGHT AS A KIND OF A PILOT PROJECT YES, SIR.
TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD RUN.
SO WOULD WE, WOULD WE, YOU KNOW, GO OUT TO BID IMMEDIATELY? WE, WE WOULD ON THE 125 SIR, SIR.
SO THE WAY, THE WAY IT'S DONE IS TO TODAY IS TEXAS NEW MEXICO WILL GIVE LEGACY A QUOTE THAT WILL INC FOR, FOR ALL ELECTRICAL SERVICES THAT WILL INCLUDE THE POWER POLES.
I MEAN NOT, I'M SORRY, NOT THE POWER POLES, THE STREETLIGHT POLES AND THE FIXTURES THAT SHIFTS.
AND INSTEAD OF, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DEVELOPER DEDICATING EVERYTHING BACK TO TNMP, THEY'LL DEDICATE FROM THE, THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SERVICES FOR THE HOMES BACK TO TNMP AND THE SERVICES FOR THE STREETLIGHTS TO US.
AND THERE WOULD BE NO UPFRONT COST FOR US AT THE BEGINNING.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE PERIOD, UH, THAT WOULD FALL BACK ON THE DEVELOPER.
AND THEN YOU WOULD LOOK TO, TO MODIFY THAT.
HOW LONG IS THAT? BECAUSE THAT 'CAUSE THAT TOTALLY, THAT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD, THAT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD PILOT PROJECT THEN IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY COSTS AT ALL UP FRONT FOR WHAT, A YEAR OR TWO.
WE, WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S, IT'S THE DEVELOPER FUNDS EVERYTHING AND THEN IS DEDICATING JUST LIKE WITH THEIR PLATS WHEN THEY DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE EASEMENTS TO US, THEY'D BE DEDICATING THE, THE POWER TO US.
BUT DO YOU, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING AT WITH THE PILOT WITH THE IDEA OF A PILOT PROJECT? AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR NUMBERS ARE CORRECT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVE OUT.
A YOU'D KNOW HOW MANY TICKETS YOU'RE GETTING, HOW OFTEN YOU'RE HAVING TO GO OUT.
I'M SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
YOU'RE HAVE TO FORGIVE ME 'CAUSE I'M AN IT GUY.
SO ALL I SEE ARE 5,000 DEVICES THAT HAVE TO BE MANAGED.
AND THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO THERE'LL BE AN ID NUMBER ON THE, THE WAY WE'RE CURRENTLY BILLED RIGHT NOW IS THERE'S AN ID NUMBER ON THOSE FIXTURES THAT WE THEN, WHEN DAVID GETS THE MONTHLY BILL, HE HAS A LIST WITH WHAT THE CHARGES IS OFF OF THOSE ID NUMBERS.
BUT WE'LL ABLE TO THE MAINTENANCE.
SO WOULDN'T WE NEED TO, OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THIS NEW SUBDIVISION.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING IN TOMORROW.
WE'RE NOT TAKING POSSESSION OF 'EM TOMORROW.
WE HAVE SOME TIME WE NEED TO GO OUT TO BID FOR A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT ON THOSE FIRST AND FIND A CONTRACTOR TO DO IT AND PUT THEM AT SOME KIND OF FIXED RATE MAINTENANCE COST OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THEN LOOK AT THE COST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WE, BETWEEN THEM ABSOLUTELY CAN DO THAT.
SO, SO WE WOULD GO THROUGH AN RF, UH, P PROCESS WITH, WITH A SELECTION OF, OF A CONTRACTOR.
DO I HAVE THIS WRONG? NO, NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT.
THE THE NUANCE IS WITH A NEW LIGHTING SYSTEM, WE WOULD EXPECT VERY FEW ISSUES.
THE FIRST, LET'S JUST SAY FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.
AND SO WE DON'T SEE A RISK TAKING OVER THE NEW SYSTEMS AS WE RAMP UP WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH MAINTENANCE.
'CAUSE SHORT TERM, VERY FEW LIGHTS, WHETHER WE DO IT THROUGH DAVID OR WE SPECIALIZE CONTRACTOR, BUT WE WILL GET, CERTAINLY GET A HANDLE ON HOW MUCH EACH LIGHT COSTS US PER MONTH FOR THE ENERGY PIECE.
UH, I THINK WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM TANKO IS THEY OPERATE, THEY MAINTAIN, I'LL SAY FOUR OR 500,000 LIGHTS AND THEIR EXPERIENCE TELLS YOU $2 A MONTH FOR MAINTENANCE PER LIGHT.
SO YEAH, I I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD TAKE OVER THE ONES, THE NEW ONES GOING FORWARD AND THEN GO OUT TO BID, GET A FIXED RATE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, AND MAYBE THEN USE THIS TIME TO RAMP UP OUR OWN ABILITIES AND SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, TAKE IT IN-HOUSE ONCE WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THE RISKS AND, AND THE COST OF DOING IT AND HOW MANY SERVICE CALLS WE'RE GONNA MAKE AND, AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE KIND OF BEAR THAT RISK, LET THE EXPERTS BEAR THAT RISK AND THEN EVENTUALLY TAKE IT IN-HOUSE.
UH, IF, IF THE NUMBERS MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE KIND OF A FULL BID TO GO OUT AND DO THAT.
UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, THIS OBVIOUSLY HAS A, A PRETTY SOLID ROI AND SO IN THAT SEVEN YEAR PAYBACK INCLUDE THIS IN THE BUDGET PRO, UH, PROCESS FOR, FOR THIS NEXT UPCOMING BUDGET TO PURCHASE OUT THE REST OF THE SYSTEM.
SO START HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS NOW TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE TWO POWER COMPANIES.
PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET, WHETHER THAT IS CASH FUNDED OR, OR DEBT FUNDED.
BUT THIS WOULD BE A PROJECT THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO DEBT FUND BECAUSE YOU COULD PAY IT OFF VERY QUICKLY AND RETURN THAT MONEY BACK IN.
UH, SO I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, PREPARE THAT INTO THE NEXT BUDGET.
AND THEN ALSO IF YOU WOULD TALK A
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LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ELEVATE PROGRAM AND HOW THIS ALL CAME UP, YOU KINDA HATS OFF TO THE STAFF FOR, FOR EVEN FINDING THE SAVINGS.HE'S THE ELEVATE, ELEVATE CHAMPION.
AND THEN BEFORE WE FINISH THIS TOPIC, THIS KIND OF ENCLO IN CLOSINGS IS TO KIND OF WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE DIRECTION TO BE GOING FORWARD.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL MEMBER MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO WE ESTABLISHED A PROGRAM FOR INNOVATION AND PROCESS IMPROVEMENT, LOOKED AT ALL ASPECTS OF OUR CITY OPERATIONS.
AND, UH, THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO EMPOWER OUR EMPLOYEES TO BECOME INVOLVED IN MAKING GOVERNMENT BETTER IN LEAGUE CITY.
WE'VE HAD, UH, HUNDREDS PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM, UH, NOW IN EXCESS OF 200 AND HAVE AWARDED SEVERAL, UH, DISTINCTIONS THAT, THAT CORRELATE WITH CERTAIN LEVELS OF COMPETENCY AND PROCESS IMPROVEMENT ANALYSIS AND, AND INNOVATION.
THIS PROJECT EMERGED, UH, OUT OF A, WHAT WE CALL A BLACK BELT PROJECT.
YOU COULD PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THE, THE SIX SIGMA REFERENCE TO THAT.
UH, IT, THE, THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IS MODELED AFTER ONE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY CHAMPIONED BY THE CITY OF DENVER.
AND SO, UH, WE HAVE INSTALLED SUCH A PROGRAM HERE.
UH, WE, UH, ARE GOING TO BEGIN OUR SECOND, UH, COHORT OF BLACK BELTS TOMORROW.
BUT WE'RE VERY GRATIFIED THAT, UH, TO THIS POINT WE'VE HAD, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY CARLENE, BUT UPWARDS TOWARDS, UH, 90 PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED.
AND, UH, CURRENTLY WITH THIS PROJECT INCLUDED AMONG THEM APPROACHING ABOUT $2 MILLION IN PROJECTED HARD AND SOFT COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY.
WHAT'S PARTICULARLY GRATIFYING IS, AGAIN, IS THAT MOST OF THESE PROJECTS ECHO INTO THE FUTURE.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ONE TIME AND OUT, UH, TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF AN EXPLANATION OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH ELEVATE.
TED, YOU WANNA GO BEFORE HE WRAPS IT UP AND WE TRY TO HIT THIS SIX O'CLOCK? YEAH, I HAVE ONE REAL QUICK CONCERN ABOUT SAMARA.
UM, THEY'RE FULLY LED, RIGHT? YES.
SO SOME OF THE EARLIER STATES, SAMARA WASN'T ALL BUILT.
LED ARE YOU SURE WE, WESTLAND RANCH WAS CAN WE CHECK ON SAMARA? I I CAN ABSOLUTELY.
I BELIEVE SOME OF THE, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE NEW ENOUGH, THEY MAY BE, MY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTING IN SEGMENT FOUR AND ONE TO THREE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UM, AND THEN THERE'S A LIGHT BULB THAT'S OUT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, FACEBOOK PAGE STARTS POPPING OFF WITH WHO DO I CALL? AND THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH STREET IT'S ON AND WHAT SECTION THAT IS.
THAT'S GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE FOR US TO MANAGE.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROLLING IN MAYBE A PILOT PROJECT, IF THEY'RE ALREADY ON LED, MAYBE TAKING OVER AS TAKING OVER THE EXISTING ONES OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE LATER ONES ARE GONNA BE IN HOUSE AND USE THAT TO SEE THE COST GOING FORWARD.
SO I THINK, I THINK IN, IN CLOSING AND WRAPPING THIS UP, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S SOME CONSENSUS FROM COUNSEL THAT WE WOULD DO IS BRING BACK AN AGREEMENT, UM, WITH TANKO TO GO THROUGH THE, HERE'S EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE AND NEGOTIATE WITH TNNP ON A PURCHASE.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL WANTED, YOU KNOW, CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT RE RELATED TO MAINTENANCE, BUT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE NEXT STEP AS A CONTRACT COMING BACK TO COUNSEL TO HELP US WITH THE TOTAL INVENTORY ASSESSMENT AND COSTS FOR ACQUISITION.
WHEN WOULD YOU DO THE BID ON THE MAINTENANCE? WE WOULD, WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO THE BID ON MAINTENANCE A AFTER OR AS WE ACQUIRED THE, THE SYSTEM.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S KIND OF A TWO STEP PROCESS.
I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANNA GO FULL SCALE CONVERSION OR WHETHER WE WANNA SCALE BASED ON THE SAVINGS PER, PER YEAR AND, AND IMPLEMENT THE CONVERSION OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS VERSUS OVER, LET'S SAY TWO YEARS.
SO THAT'S ALL, I THINK ALL PART OF THE DECISION MATRIX GOING FORWARD.
AND LIKE I SAID, I, I THINK IT GENERALLY SELLS ITSELF.
I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TANKO CAN PROVIDE US ON EXISTING CONTRACTS WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS IT RELATES TO, TO MAINTENANCE.
OBVIOUSLY EVERY LOCATION'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S PRETTY EASY TO DO.
AND THEN TO BE CLEAR, UH, DP IS GOING TO CONVERT AT A RATE OF 600 A YEAR.
SO THEY CONVERT AS THE LIGHTS FAIL.
AND SO IS THE LIGHTS, IS THE LIGHTS FAIL ESTIMATE 600 FAILURE? CORRECT.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A COURSE OF, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN YEARS TOTAL CONVERSION.
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SO THERE, YEAH.AND THEN AGAIN, TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA IS WHETHER WE START MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBER TRESSLER IS CONCERN ABOUT TODAY.
WE TELL HIM TO CALL TNNP OR WE CALL TNNP AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO, THERE WOULD BE SOME MANAGEMENT OF WHOSE LIGHTS ARE THERE, WHICH ISN'T, WHICH AGAIN IS A MAP AND A GIS SYSTEM OBVIOUSLY.
BUT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE US A YEAR TO GO THROUGH AN ACQUISITION CONVERSATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO THAT PERIOD OF TIME FOR OVERLAP WOULD BE PRETTY SHORT.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT PRETTY MUCH SELLS ITSELF AT THE END OF THE DAY AND I WOULD THINK TO, TO ASSUAGE YOUR CONCERNS AS WE JUST TAKE OVER, JUST CALL US ON ALL OF THEM AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR LIGHT UP WEAK CITY.
WE GET, WE GET, WE GET A LOT OF CALLS AS, ANYWAY.
ANYWAY, YEAH, WELL IT'S JUST WORKING WITH TEAM, WORKING WITH TNNP IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN DIFFICULT SINCE COVID AND GETTING LIGHTS FIXED HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.
AND THAT'S PARTLY WHY WE'RE ON THIS PAGE TODAY.
A LOT OF 'EM DO GO THROUGH US AND WE HAVE THE LIGHT OF LAKE CITY PAGE AND THEN WE'RE INTERIM INTO THE TEXT, NEW MEXICO PORTAL PORTAL AND THEN FOLLOWING UP.
AND SO WE DO SEE A LOT OF ALREADY.
AT 5 56 THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.