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[1. Call to order and roll call of members]
I THINK IT'S, UH, SIX O'CLOCK.SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, GET STARTED.
FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS, IS THE, UH, ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS.
NATHAN JUNG, MATTHEW HYDE HERE, AND RUTH MORRISON HERE.
SO WE HAVE A, UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
SO WE WILL CALL A MEETING TO ORDER.
[2. Approval of January 6, 2025 minutes]
ITEM THAT WE NEED TO, UH, CONSIDER IS THE APPROVAL OF THE JANUARY 6TH MEETING, AND YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED COPIES OF THE, UM, OF THE MINUTES.SO WE'LL ENTERTAIN, UH, CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS AT THIS TIME, IF THERE ARE ANY.
IF NOT, WE'LL JUST CONSIDER THOSE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS, IS, UH, CITIZENS COMMUNICATION.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMISSION THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
[4. Public Hearing and Action Items ]
ITEM FOUR IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUP 24 DASH 0 0 0 6 ON ONSITE CONCRETE SOLUTIONS OFFICE TO ALLOW AN OFFICE USE ON APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE ZONED RSF DASH 10, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 10, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LAWRENCE ROAD AND D LOS ANDRE LANE, WITH THE ADDRESS OF 2106 LAWRENCE ROAD.WE'LL HEAR FROM THE, UH, CITY STAFF FIRST, AND THEN, UH, AFTER THAT WE'LL GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL MAKE IT QUICK SO WE CAN HEAR FROM EVERYONE, AS YOU HAVE JUST SAID.
WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK LOUDER THAN THAT, SORRY.
OKAY, WE'LL GET A LITTLE CLOSER.
UM, AS YOU HAD JUST SAID, THIS IS AN, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR AN OFFICE USE WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
UM, AN RSF 10 ZONE, SPECIFICALLY AT 2106 LAWRENCE.
IN 2005, THIS TRACK WAS ZONED RSF 10 AS PART OF THE CITYWIDE REZONE.
IN 2014, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WAS BUILT AND IT WAS BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND THEN IN MARCH OF 2024, THE APPLICANT ONSITE, UH, CONCRETE SOLUTIONS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY TO USE IT AS AN OFFICE SPACE, UM, TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT TRACK AT 2106.
LAWRENCE IS ALL RSF 10, AND THEN TO THE EAST, WHICH IS ACROSS LAWRENCE ROAD, IS, UM, THE CITY OF KEAH CITY LIMITS.
AND THAT IS, UM, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL METAL WAREHOUSE TYPE USE.
SO A QUICK LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN.
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 5,629 SQUARE FEET, ABOUT 4,500 OF THAT.
THOSE SQUARE FEET WILL BE USED FOR OFFICE SPACE, AND THE REMAINDER WILL BE USED AS, UH, STORAGE OR WAREHOUSING.
UM, PARKING IS PROVIDED WITH 15 PARKING SPOTS.
UH, THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT, AND I'VE OUTLINED THEM IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND THEN FURTHER ON YOU'LL SEE THEM LISTED OUT.
UM, JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY AS WELL, TAKING A LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING, UH, OF NOTE, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED ALONG THE WEST AND THE SOUTH BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE AREAS OF THE PROPERTY THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL LAND USES.
UM, AND THERE ARE, AGAIN, A COUPLE OF VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, BUT YOU'LL SEE THOSE DETAILED I BELIEVE IN THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE A PETITION FROM THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS THAT WAS RECEIVED ON JANUARY 19TH, AND THAT WOULD BE IN, UM, THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, ALONG WITH THIS MAP FOR YOUR REFERENCE, IT WAS SIGNED BY THREE OF THE NEIGHBORING OWNERS, AND THAT CONSTITUTES 33.5% OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTICE BUFFER.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, ONCE IT GETS TO THE CITY COUNCIL STAGE, A SUPER MAJORITY WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS TO PASS.
AND ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT WAS RECEIVED.
SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW IN THE RED IS GONNA BE THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER ZONE.
KEEPING IN MIND WE DIDN'T NOTICE TO THE CITY OF KEAH, WE ONLY NOTICED TO THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY RESIDENCE.
SO THE BLUE HATCHES ARE GONNA BE THOSE THAT SIGNED IN OPPOSITION, AND THOSE IN THE PURPLE HATCH IS, UH, THE RESIDENT THAT PROVIDED A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
SO, AS I SAID, THESE ARE THE VARIANCES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM, I WON'T, WON'T BORE YOU GUYS WITH GOING
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THROUGH EVERY SINGLE LINE OF THIS, BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER OR PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, POINT OUT SPECIFICALLY WHERE THIS VARIANCE IS, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.UM, SO JUST REFRESHER WHAT I SAID THE STAFF'S FINDING ARE AS FOLLOWS, WE DID RECEIVE THAT PETITION, UM, AND THE PETITION DOES SURPASS STATE'S 20% THRESHOLD.
UM, AND AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF AT LEAST THREE-FOURTHS, UH, IS REQUIRED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS TO PASS.
UM, THE PROPOSED USE DOES NOT TECHNICALLY CONFORM WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FUTURE LAND USE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FUTURE LAND USE.
THIS IS SEEN AS MORE OF THE ESTATE RESIDENTIAL.
THE EXISTING SITE DOES HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ONTO LAWRENCE ROAD, SO THERE ARE NO ACCESS CONCERNS WITH IT.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THE SUBJECT TRACT IS GONNA OPERATE AS AN OFFICE ONLY.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY CONSTRUCTION OR CONCRETE PRODUCTION ON THAT SITE.
AND THEN, AS PREVIOUSLY SAID, IN ORDER TO APPROVE THE SUP REQUESTS, 10 VARIANCES WILL BE, UH, NEEDED TO BE GRANTED.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UM, JUST SOME CONDITIONS THAT WERE, AGAIN OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH THEM.
UM, THIS SUP WOULD EXPIRE AFTER 24 MONTHS, UM, BEGINNING UPON THE DATE OF ADOPTION.
IF THERE'S NO FORMAL APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, THE USES PERMITTED ONSITE WILL BE LIMITED TO THOSE PERMITTED IN RSF 10 ZONING DISTRICTS AND TO OFFICE USE, BUT SPECIFICALLY TO ONSITE CONCRETE SOLUTIONS ONLY.
SO IF ANOTHER OFFICE CAME IN THREE YEARS FROM NOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR ONSITE CONCRETE SOLUTIONS.
UM, THE SITE LAYOUT WILL HAVE TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, AS WHAT'S DEVELOPED.
AND THE VARIANCE IS OUTLINED WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED, UM, WITH THE APPROVAL OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, I'M SURE, UH, IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 0 7.
WE'VE ALREADY DESCRIBED WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IS, AND WE HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO, TO SPEAK.
AND, UM, THE STIPULATION IS THAT A STATEMENT OF NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES, MAYBE MADE ON THE ITEMS, UH, OF GENERAL RELEVANCE.
SO THE FIRST ON THE LIST IS BRUCE HENDERSON.
MR. HENDERSON, IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU REPRESENT.
UH, MY NAME IS BRUCE HENDERSON, UH, 38 32 EVERGREEN DRIVE, DICKINSON, TEXAS.
UH, I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF MATERIALS FOR ONSITE, UH, CONCRETE SOLUTIONS.
I'VE BEEN THE ONE THAT'S, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, TRYING TO GET THE SUP COMPLETED.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE WE'RE, WE'VE HAD AN OPERATION, UM, IN THE KEAH AREA, ACTUALLY ON LAWRENCE ROAD AT EIGHT 80 LAWRENCE ROAD FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, IT'S LITERALLY, I THINK A QUARTER OF A MILE UP THE STREET FROM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
UH, THIS BUILDING WAS PURCHASED BY, UH, THE OWNER OF MY COMPANY WITH THE INTENT TO TURNING IT INTO, UH, AN OFFICE BUILDING.
WE HAVE ABOUT, PROBABLY ABOUT 15 PEOPLE THAT GENERALLY WORK IN OUR OFFICE.
UH, WHILE IT DOES SAY IT'S A CONCRETE COMPANY, UH, THAT IS WHAT WE SELL ALL OVER THE GULF COAST TO INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS.
ALL WE DO IN OUR OFFICES, STRICTLY LOGISTICS, PLANNING, FINANCING, UH, THIS IS WHERE WE TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR BILLING.
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING THAT RESEMBLES A, A CONCRETE TRUCK ON OUR PROPERTY UNLESS WE HAVE A PERMIT FROM YOU GUYS TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE SITE ITSELF.
UH, WE'VE AGREED TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A PLAN TO MAKE IT, UH, PRETTIER, UNDERSTANDING.
UH, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE NOISE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT TO WHERE EVERYBODY LOOKS BETTER AND ENJOYS, UH, HAVING US AS THEIR NEIGHBOR.
UH, HONESTLY, EVERYBODY'S OUTTA THERE BY FIVE 30 IF, IF WE CAN.
I DON'T LIKE IT IF I GOTTA BE THERE PAST FIVE 30 ON ANY GIVEN DAY, BUT YOU WON'T SEE PEOPLE THERE ON WEEKENDS EITHER.
AGAIN, IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY ON THERE ON A WEEKEND, THAT MEANS SOMETHING'S PROBABLY GONE BAD.
AND THAT'S, FORTUNATELY NOT VERY OFTEN.
'CAUSE WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB WHAT WE DO.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LESS NOISE IN OUR PLACE THAN A DENTIST OFFICE.
UH, IT'S JUST A PLACE WHERE WE COME IN, WE PARK OUR CARS, WE WALK INSIDE, WE TYPE ON OUR COMPUTERS, THEN WE LEAVE.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE READER'S DIGEST VERSION OF OUR ENTIRE THING.
AND AGAIN, UH, I WELCOME THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE OPINIONS, EVEN IF THEY DIFFER WITH OURS, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
WE'VE EXTENDED, UH, REACHED OUT TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, UH, AND INVITES TO COME OVER.
WE HAD A COUPLE OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT CAME OVER, VOICED CONCERNS ABOUT THINGS.
WE SAT DOWN AND SPOKE WITH 'EM, AND, UH, TRIED TO ASSUAGE THEIR CONCERNS AS OFTEN
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AS WE COULD.UH, AGAIN, MAJOR EMPHASIS ON TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
UH, I PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT A LOT OF THEIR CONCERNS WERE, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED PROFESSIONALLY AND COURTEOUSLY.
WE DON'T HAVE STEREOS OUTSIDE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LOUD EQUIPMENT, UH, PROBABLY MOST OF THE AVERAGE AGES AROUND MINE, SO WE'RE NOT GETTING TOO CARRIED AWAY ON ANY GIVEN DAY.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I LOOK FORWARD TO EVERYBODY'S RESPONSE AND, AND ANY QUESTIONS? COME COMMENTS? VERY, VERY GOOD, MR. HENDERSON.
AND THERE, THERE PROBABLY WILL BE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE PEOPLE.
UH, JEFFREY COURT, I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK.
UH, MATT BOWMAN, MY NAME'S MATT BOWMAN.
I'VE LIVED AT 35 70 RY FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
UH, IT'S WITHIN THE 200 FEET OF THEIR, UM, BUILDING NOW.
UM, SOME HISTORY ON THE STREET.
THE PROPERTY AT 33 12 DE LA SANDRE, WHICH IS JUST WEST OF THERE, UH, THEY APPLIED FOR TO CHANGE THAT TO COMMERCIAL.
AND THE, THE BOARD DENIED THAT BECAUSE IT'S HAS RESIDENTIAL ON THREE SIDES, JUST LIKE THIS BUILDING DOES.
THERE IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, TO THE WEST OF THEM, TO THE WEST OF ME, UM, THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT USES AS THEIR TURNOUT, GRAZING PASTURE.
DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH COWS AND THE NOISE THAT THEY MAKE.
BUT, UM, I DON'T WANT ANY INCREASE IN TRAFFIC TAXES.
I LIVE AT, UH, 35 27 DANDRE LANE.
ONE THING TO START THE MEETING OFF IS THE APPLICANT FORGOT TO, TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT HE'S OPERATING ALREADY WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL'S BLESSING.
AND THAT KIND OF, I THINK IT SENT A MAJOR DISCOURSE TO US LONGSTANDING, UH, RESIDENCE, MANY OF WHO HAVE LIVED THERE 40, 30 AND 20 YEARS.
UH, AND WE FEEL THAT THE CITY HAS KIND OF ALREADY MADE THEIR DECISION BY ISSUING HIM A TCI, WHICH IS A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
SO HE'S OPERATING, HE'S BEEN DOING CONSTRUCTION, HE'S BEEN CITED, THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS, UH, CITATIONS BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND WE FEEL AS IF THOUGH THE CITY'S KINDA STEPPED OVER US AND NOT LET US, NOT LET US HEAR, UH, HEAR OUR VOICE.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US HAVE, HAVE, HAVE LAID LOW, LAID QUIET.
THAT WHOLE STREET IS UNBURDENED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE ALL HAVE WATER WELLS AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. WE ASKED NOTHING OF THE CITY.
WE DON'T BURDEN BURDEN THE CITY.
AND WHEN WE WENT UP AGAINST THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MANY YEARS AGO, COUNCIL AS YOURSELF LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A COMMUNITY HERE.
THE GUY NEEDS TO RUN A BUSINESS.
IF YOU GO TO KEA, IT'S A HODGEPODGE.
AND A LARGE PART OF THE REASON WE ALL MOVED TO LEAGUE CITY WAS BECAUSE OF THE STRONG ORDINANCES THAT, THAT Y'ALL UPHOLD.
AND ALLOWING A CARVE OUT OF THIS.
RSF 10 HERE TO PUT A COMMERCIAL IS NOT IN THE STANDINGS OF THE CITY.
THE, THE SUP IS IS A PERMIT THAT IS ISSUED FOR A NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE DON'T NEED A CONCRETE COMPANY.
WE, WE'RE A COMMUNITY, A SMALL COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE ALL, WE'RE TAXPAYERS.
WE'RE, WE'RE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.
AND WE ASK THAT WE'RE AFFORDED THE SAME RIGHT AS THEY ARE WHEN THEY GO HOME TO PEACE AND QUIET.
AND WE CAN'T BE ASSURED THAT BECAUSE THERE'S EMPLOYEES THERE THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT THAT ARE STRANGER TO OUR KIDS.
IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY AND THERE'S A, A HANDFUL OF US, BUT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
THAT IS NOT IN THE, IN THE BECOMING OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO START INTERJECTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
EVEN IF IT'S AN OFFICE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
AND, AND WE'D LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO, TO CONSIDER THAT IN Y'ALL'S VOTE BECAUSE
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THEY COULD HAVE EASILY GONE DOWN TO KEA OR UP THE ROAD A THOUSAND YARDS AND, AND BEEN IN THE, IN THE, IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING.WHY, WHY DESTROY OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY? YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NEED.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT A NECESSITY FOR IT.
AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, THE CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE PULLED THE PROPER PERMITS.
AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE NEVER ISSUED THAT TCI.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BROWN.
AND WE HAVE, UM, AND I CAN'T EXACTLY READ THIS, THERE, IS IT, THERE ARE TWO BLOOMS HERE? YES.
I'M AT 3,600 DEANDRE, AND I HAVE THE SAME SENTIMENTS AS ARMANDO HAS.
UM, IT IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OR GOING TO APPROVE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ALREADY RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS FORM.
UM, WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THE WATER RUNOFFS THAT THEY MAY, IT'S ALL CONCRETE.
UH, IF ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT WAS SHOWN, IT SHOWS THE PARKING CURRENTLY OF THE, ALL THE 15 SPACES.
THERE ARE, IF I HAD PICTURES AND I KNEW I COULD BRING PICTURES HERE, I COULD SHOW WHERE THERE WERE DEFINITELY MORE THAN 15 VEHICLES IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
SO THEY CRAM AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, BOTH ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND I THINK THERE WAS A, A LINE THAT SHOWED MAYBE A FIRE WHERE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PARK.
THEY'VE HAD VEHICLES PARKED IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A BOBCAT AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO, WHICH STICKS OVER THE TOP.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT VEGETATION IN AND SO FORTH TO, TO BLOCK SOME OF THAT, BUT THAT'S GONNA GROW.
UH, THE, I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BRING, UH, 40 FOOT PINE TREES IN AS A, UH, POINTED OUT IN THEIR, UH, IN THEIR DRAWINGS.
I HAD CONCERNS, AND I HAD GONE OVER THERE WHEN THEY HAD THEIR FIRST MEETING.
I HAD CONCERNS WITH THE WATER THAT THEY'RE TIED INTO.
THEY'RE NOT ON, ON, UH, UH, ON, UH, LEAGUE CITY WATER.
SO THEY'RE CROSSING THE KEMA LINE TO GET THE KE WATER.
UH, I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'VE, UH, WORKED OUT ALL THEIR DETAILS WITH KEA SAYING THAT THEY'RE COMMERCIAL NOW AND THEY'RE NOT A RESIDENCE, BECAUSE WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN, THE ACTUAL BUILDER BUILT THAT PROPERTY AND MY PROPERTY.
SO KEA KNEW THAT IT WAS RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THEY HAVE A LIFT STATION AT THIS SIDE.
AND AS OF TODAY, I SAW, UH, UH, HOLES DUG ON THE INSIDE AREA WHERE THE LIFT STATION IS.
SO I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEM WITH THEIR SEWAGE ALREADY.
I JUST HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE LAKE CITY WATER AND SEWER.
THEY'RE USING KEA WATER AND SEWER.
THEY'VE GOT A COMMERCIAL OFFICES WHERE PEOPLE WILL FLUSH WHATEVER THEY FLUSH DOWN.
AND THAT'S, THOSE LIFT STATIONS DON'T, DON'T HANDLE THOSE FLUSHES.
DON'T, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE.
UH, MS. BLUM, DO YOU WANNA TALK? IT'S OKAY.
PRETTY MUCH, UH, MICHAEL, UH, PETRON.
YOU CAN TELL US HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT WHEN YOU GET UP THERE.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL PETRON AND I AM A RESIDENT OF 2126 LAWRENCE ROAD.
AND WE ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY BEHIND THEM.
I AM NOT THE LEGAL OWNER, MY GRANDMOTHER IS, BUT I HAVE A SIGNED PAPER THAT GIVES ME THE RIGHT TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
I AM IN OPPOSITION OF HAVING A BUSINESS NEXT DOOR.
LIKE, UH, ARMANDO STATED, WE ARE A TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY AND HAVING A BUSINESS NEXT DOOR IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THERE THERE IS AN, LIKE ROBERT SAID, THERE IS AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF CARS EVERY DAY.
IT IS WAY MORE THAN EIGHT TO 10, AS THEY ORIGINALLY STATED.
UH, AND ALSO WITH HAVING A BUSINESS NEXT DOOR, THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE UNKNOWN INDIVIDUALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
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I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH WHAT HAPPENS AFTERWARDS.CAN THEY GET ANOTHER PERMIT LATER AFTER THIS ONE'S APPROVED TO TURN IT INTO A CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, HAVING TRUCKS AND STUFF.
UH, THAT'S JUST MY CONCERNS WITH IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'M AGAINST IT AND DO NOT WANT IT THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE, UH, IN THE AUDIENCE THAT, UH, WANTS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND SPEAK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND? IF NOT, WE WILL, UH, CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT SIX 20.
AND WHERE IS, UH, CAITLIN, YOU MIGHT WANNA COME BACK UP AND, UH, WE'LL NOW WE'LL, UH, GO AHEAD AND, UH, ADDRESS THE, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES.
UH, THERE WAS A 24 MONTH LIMIT ON, UM, THAT'S IT, NUMBER ONE ON THAT SLIDE.
UM, WHAT, OKAY, IT SAYS THAT THEY NEED TO, UM, THEY HAVE 24 MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF ADOPTION TO FILL OUT A FORMAL APPLICATION.
DIDN'T THEY ALREADY DO THAT? NO.
THE FORMAL APPLICATION IS ANY CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD BE ON THE SITE.
SO IN THIS CASE, ANY, UM, UPDATES THAT ARE BEING MADE TO THEIR PARKING AREA, THEIR LANDSCAPING PERMITS, THAT KI THAT KIND OF THING.
SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE, IT'D BE ANY FORMAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.
UM, IF ANY IT'S IF, IF ANY, BUT THEY PER WHAT THE PLANS THAT THEY PROVIDED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS TO ACHIEVE THOSE THINGS.
THEY'RE CONVERTING SOME GRAVEL INTO CONCRETE, UM, ADDING LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE.
AND THAT'S IN AN EFFORT TO COMPLY WITH THE SPECIFICS THAT YOU HAVE LISTED FURTHER DOWN IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION CONDITIONS? YES.
SO TO CONVERTING THE GRAVEL TO CONCRETE? CORRECT.
TO CONVERT IT TO BE A MORE OF A MORE FIT FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
UM, SO CAN YOU PUT THE, THE, UH, MAP BACK UP SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, IN RELATION TO, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT JUST SPOKE ACTUALLY.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA FORWARD JUST A COUPLE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED IN AND OH, THAT'S EASIER.
NOBODY SPOKE FROM THAT HOUSE, CORRECT? 2120.
AND THEN, UH, 36 12 NOBODY SPOKE, CORRECT? I DON'T THINK SO.
OH, YOU'RE ALSO, UH, THAT SHOULD BE BLUE BECAUSE WE OWN THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.
I THINK WHENEVER WE GOT THE PETITION IN, IT JUST HAD ONE ADDRESS, SO I JUST USED THE ADDRESS THAT WAS OKAY.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE, THE KEA WATER AND SEWER? YEAH, SO THEY ARE ON WATER AND SEWER NOT PROVIDED BY LEAGUE CITY.
WE DID RECEIVE DOCUMENTATION FROM THEIR PROVIDERS SAYING THAT YES, THEY HAVE, UH, THE CAPACITY TO SERVE THEM AND THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY RECEIVING SERVICE FROM THEM.
SO WE DID, WE DID CHECK INTO THAT WCID 12.
UM, AND, UH, I TAKE IT YOU HAD TO GO UNDER, OR WAS IT THE APPLICANT THAT GOT ON THAT WATER OR WAS IT THE HOMEOWNER BEFORE THAT? I DO.
YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD ULTIMATELY DEFER TO THEM, BUT I BELIEVE WHOEVER INITIALLY PURCHASED IT WOULD'VE MADE THAT CONNECTION.
AND THEN ONCE THEY SOLD IT TO ANOTHER OWNER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE ACCOUNTS.
BUT I BELIEVE WHOEVER INITIALLY BUILT IT MADE THAT CONNECTION TO THE WATER.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
MATTHEW, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
WHEN Y'ALL PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BACK IN MARCH OF 24, THE INTENTIONS WERE FOR COMMERCIAL, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
DID Y'ALL, DO I COMMERCIALLY DO FEASIBILITY PERIOD SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE CITY AND GET IT CHANGED OVER PROCESS? OR DID YOU DO LIKE AN OPTION PERIOD IN ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE? SO, I HONESTLY DON'T HAVE THE
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ANSWER.THE LADY THAT INITIATED IT, THE START OF THE PROGRAM, UH, SHE HAD LEFT THE COMPANY AND THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF GOT A LITTLE BIT BLINDSIDED AS FAR AS IT WASN'T COMPLETED AT THAT POINT.
SO DID YOU GUYS LIKE PURCHASE IT AS COMMERCIAL, START OPERATING IT AS COMMERCIAL AND THEN GET PULLED, LIKE GET CITED BY THE CITY? WE, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, BACK IN MARCH AND THEN IT WAS AFTER BARREL WHEN THE HURRICANE CAME THROUGH, OUR EIGHT 80 OFFICE GOT WATER IN IT.
AND SO WE HAD MOVED DOWN THERE JUST WITH OUR COMPUTERS TO START WORKING.
AND THAT'S WHEN, UH, PLANNING, PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID COME TO US AND BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
I WAS NOT AWARE, TO BE HONEST.
MY, I'M NOT GONNA PLEAD IGNORANCE, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHEN WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE HADN'T COMPLETED THE, THE ZONING.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN I GOT INVOLVED TO GET INVOLVED, UH, GET EVERYTHING UPDATED.
AND WE DID SHUT DOWN THE OFFICE AT THAT POINT.
UH, THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY, HE LIVES AROUND THE CORNER FROM IT IN LEAGUE CITY.
BUT YEAH, WE BASICALLY SHUT DOWN AT THAT POINT AND WE RENTED, UH, OFFICE SPACE OVER IN, UH, SOUTH SHORE HARBOR.
WE MOVED ALL OF OUR PEOPLE OVER TO THAT, THAT LOCATION.
THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
DO I NEED TO STAY OR ANYBODY ELSE? DOES? ANYBODY ELSE? YOU, I'M, I WALK BACK FORTH.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE, IN THE FACILITY RIGHT NOW? DOES ANYBODY, DOES SOMEBODY LIVE THERE OR ARE YOU OPERATING OUT OF THERE ALREADY? WE, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE OPERATING OFF THEIR COMPUTERS AT THIS POINT.
THE, THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE THAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO IS PART OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT WAS GONNA BE DONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THEY BROUGHT IN LARGE BOULDERS TO KIND OF, FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A BOBCAT WITH A GRAPPLE ON IT TO MOVE 'EM AROUND.
AND TRUST ME, I TRIED MOVING 'EM.
BUT, UH, WE ALSO HAVE A PLUMBING COMPANY THAT'S THERE.
WE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR PLUMBING RIGHT THERE WITH, I DON'T, I'M NOT A PLUMBER.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'D CALL IT A LIFT STATION OR A PUMP STATION OR JUST A GRINDER, PUMP, WHATEVER THAT OPERATES.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE A, UH, LICENSED COMPANY THAT'S DOING REPAIRS IN THE FACILITY AT THIS MOMENT.
WE HAVE THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID SHOW UP TODAY AND WALKED IT DOWN, TALKED TO THE PLUMBER, AND APPARENTLY EVERYTHING, UH, KAYLIN, YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THAT? YEAH.
SO WE MET, HAD, AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA LIE TO YOU, I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE PLUMBERS DO IN THE DIRT.
THEY JUST TAKE CARE OF THINGS AND WAS MAKING IT WORK.
AND APPARENTLY WE DID MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY AT THAT POINT.
SO IS THE, IS THE SHOP, 'CAUSE I LOOKED IT UP, IS THE, IT'S LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH THE SHOP IN THE BACK IN A POOL.
SO IS THE SHOP BEING CONVERTED INTO IT'S A BARN THOUGH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
UH, THE FRONT AREA IS, UH, MY BOSS'S OFFICE.
THERE'S THREE OFFICES UP FRONT THAT WERE ROOMS, SO TO SPEAK.
UH, WE DID HAVE A PERMIT THAT CONVERTED, UH, THE FRONT AREA THAT USED TO BE A SINGLE CAR GARAGE THAT ACTUALLY WAS A PERMITTED MODIFICATION TO THE BUILDING BEFORE WE EVER MOVED INTO IT, CHANGING THAT INTO OUR RECEPTION AREA, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THEN THE, UH, THE OPEN AREA, THAT IS THE BARN O PORTION OF IT.
UH, WE ADDED ONE GLASS WALL AND, AND SET UP DESKS INSIDE THERE.
THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS GONNA WORK.
AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW, UM, UH, CUBICLES SET UP OUTSIDE, AND THEN A LOT OF POOL TABLES AND, UH, DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
WE, A LITTLE BIT OF GOOGLING OFFICE THERE A LITTLE BIT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I WISH I HAD GOTTEN AHOLD OF EVERYBODY THAT WOULD OPEN AN IN INVITATION TO EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THE PLACE IS ORGANIZED FOR WHAT IT IS.
UH, AGAIN, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CARS THERE OVER THE LAST WEEK OR SO BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PLUMBERS IN THERE REPAIRING.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE BRINGING THE, THE SKID STEER IN THERE TO MOVE ALL THE, THE BOULDERS.
WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UNLIKE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN, OH GOD, ALL THE EMPLOYEES ARE THERE.
THIS WAS, AGAIN, KIND OF IN LINE WITH CAITLIN WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MEET OUR VARIANCE REQUIREMENTS 'CAUSE WE'RE OBLIGATED TO, OF COURSE.
AND, AND I HATE TO SAY THIS PART OF IT, BUT WHEN WE'RE MEETING THEM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE THERE POURING CONCRETE WHERE WE'RE OBLIGATED TO.
AND ON THOSE DAYS, YEAH, THERE, THERE WILL BE NOISE.
BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY THAT THOSE PEOPLE GO AWAY.
AND WE CAN QUIETLY JUST RUN ABOUT OUR BUSINESS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA MAKE LESS NOISE THAN A DENTIST OFFICE.
WE DON'T HAVE CUSTOMERS COMING IN AND OUT.
WE GO TO MEETINGS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, UH, AND BRING 'EM THE, HOW WE ORGANIZE OUR BUSINESS.
WE BRING IN MATERIALS FROM, UH, GLOBALLY, A LOT OF BUSINESS FROM, UH, TURKEY, EGYPT, SPAIN, AFRICA, JAMAICA.
AND WE BRING IN SHIPS TO INDUSTRIAL SITES ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST, WHEREVER THEY'RE BUILDING LARGE PLANTS.
WE BRING IN MILLIONS OF TONS OF GRAVEL, UH, PRECAST MATERIALS STUFF IN IT.
ALL WE DO IS HANDLE LOGISTICS AND, AND BILLING FOR THE MOST PART.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE OPERATION CENTER.
IT'S JUST THE OPERATION CENTER.
SO, AND MY BOSS, UH, HE UH, JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE IN, I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE SOUTH, SOUTH SHORE HARBOR AREA.
HE'S LIVED IN KEAH FOR LAST 20 YEARS.
UH, I'VE LIVED IN GALVESTON COUNTY FOR 30 YEARS.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE THAT WORK IN THIS OFFICE LIVE
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IN EITHER LEAGUE CITY, FRIENDSWOOD, DICKINSON, KEMA.THIS ISN'T A BUNCH OF HOUSTON PEOPLE COMING DOWN AND OPENING A BUSINESS AND RUNNING IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST KIND OF HOW WE LOOK AT IT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR BACKYARD TOO.
LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET SOME MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE, UH, COMMISSION.
UH, UH, MS. ARNOLD, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT I WILL ASK YOU ONE THING.
I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT WHEN YOU BOUGHT THIS, YOU DIDN'T REALLY REALIZE YOU, YOU NEEDED AN SUP.
IS THAT CORRECT? I ABSOLUTELY DID NOT KNOW WE NEEDED AN SUP BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE AIMING FOR.
WE WERE ACTUALLY AIMING FOR TURNING THIS INTO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
AND IN THE COURSE OF TALKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY, UH, I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY CHANGED YOUR OWN ORDINANCES JUST, UH, LAST MONTH OR MONTH BEFORE, WHERE THEY SAID THAT WE WERE ABLE TO REQUEST AN SUP IN FACT, INSTEAD OF FULL REZONING, WHICH HONESTLY WE THOUGHT WAS TO THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORS ALSO.
'CAUSE WE WERE WILLING AT THAT TIME TO PUT IT IN OUR DEED THAT IF THIS PROPERTY WERE TO BE ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WE WOULD PUT IT IN OUR DEED THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR OUR COMPANY.
THAT IF THIS PROPERTY WAS EVER SOLD, IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
WITH THE SUP, WE NEVER CHANGED, UH, INTO COMMERCIAL.
WE STAY RESIDENTIAL AND WE PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT SHOULD WE DECIDE TO LEAVE, THIS GOES BACK TO RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT NEGOTIABLE.
AND WHATEVER NEXT COMPANY HAD TO HAVE A NEW SUP IF THEY COULD.
WELL, I HATE REGULATIONS AND I HATE THE REGULATION THAT YOU RAN UP AGAINST, BUT WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY THINKING THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE IT REZONED? WHY WOULD YOU CLOSE ON IT BEFORE THAT HAPPENED? THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR MY BOSS TO BE HERE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT EXACTLY A TEMPORARY FACILITY EITHER.
NO, I MEAN, THEY, THEY KIND OF WENT ALL OUT.
UH, MY BOSS, OUR COMPANY, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE KIND OF OPERATE ON VERY LARGE SCALE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT CASES.
AND HE PROB THE COMPANY ITSELF PROBABLY OWNS ABOUT 50 OR 60 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
AND LIKE I SAID, HIM LIVING IN THE KEAH AREA, HE IDENTIFIED IT AND THEN HE PASSES OVER TO THE NEXT PEOPLE TO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AND SO HE DIDN'T FOLLOW ALL THE WAY THROUGH WITH THAT PORTION OF IT.
UH, AND AGAIN, THE LADY THAT WAS DOING IT INITIALLY THAT HE HAD ASSUMED WAS ALREADY TAKING CARE OF IT, DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO I MAKE AN APOLOGY IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S WORTH.
UH, SO I HAVE, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS, WHO PAVED THE PARKING LOT? IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A PSEUDO COMMERCIAL BUILDING FROM THE GET-GO.
WAS THERE EVER A BUSINESS THERE BEFORE YOU GUYS? IT WAS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME, UH, A GUY BUILT IT FOR A BARO THAT, AND THE NEIGHBORS COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU BETTER THAN ME.
I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS EITHER TO TURN IT INTO AN AIRBNB OR AN EVENT CENTER.
AND I THINK THEY ACTUALLY TRIED TO HAVE IT REZONED AT ONE TIME TO MAKE IT AN EVENT CENTER.
AND I WOULD, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THEM A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR AN EVENT CENTER.
NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE PARTIES AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
VERY UNDERSTANDABLE AT THAT POINT.
BUT I BELIEVE SOMEBODY DID HAVE THE PLAN OF TURNING INTO AN EVENT CENTER OR AN AIRBNB FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND SO WE HAVE POLAR OPPOSITE PLAN ON HOW WE'RE OPERATING IT.
UH, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE IS ACTUALLY TAX RELATED.
AND MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, WHO COLLECTS THE SALES TAX IF THEY ARE INVOICING IN LEAGUE CITY, IF THEY SELL CONCRETE SUPPLIES, MATERIALS, SAY OVER IN, UH, THE CITY OF HOUSTON, IS IT TAXED? DOES THAT SALES TAX GO TO THE CITY OF HOUSTON OR DOES IT GO TO US? IT'S, UM, POINT OF SALE.
SO IT WOULD BE WHEREVER THE ENDING SALE IS.
SO IF IT'S IN HOUSTON, IT'D BE IN HOUSTON.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE BROUGHT UP TO MEET, UH, ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT ANY VARIANCES, WITHOUT HAVING ANY OF THESE 10 VARIANCES? NO, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
WE WENT THROUGH THE UDC PRETTY DETAILED.
UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR, FOR THE ZONING SPECIFICALLY TO GO TO COMMERCIAL, UH, THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AND ALSO SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT, NOT PERFECTLY CLEAR AS FAR AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS WHAT DICTATES HOW MANY, THE MINIMUM PARKING AREA.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A BARN DOOR, IT'S WHAT IT INITIATED AS.
SO OUR, OUR MAIN AREA IS VERY LARGE.
UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
UH, WE HAVE A FEW CUBICLES OVER IN THE CORNER, THAT'S ABOUT IT.
BUT THE REQUIREMENTS STILL MANDATE THAT WE SHALL HAVE THIS, SHALL HAVE THAT.
UH, IN FACT, I THINK YOU'LL SEE ON THERE THAT WE HAVE A SWIMMING POOL BACK THERE.
THE SWIMMING POOL FALLS WITHIN THE 30 FEET, UH, LANDSCAPING VARIANCE.
SO FOR ALL INTENTS, PURPOSE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, WE
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WOULD HAVE TO DIG UP OUR SWIMMING POOL.AND I MEAN, IT WON'T SAY THAT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION IF IT CAME DOWN TO THE WIRE, BUT I KINDA LIKE THE SWIM POOL.
BUT Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DEAL ON CONCRETE, I'M SURE.
WOULD YOU BELIEVE NO,
BECAUSE ALL OUR CONCRETE PLANTS ARE ABOUT, UH, 400 MILES AWAY FROM US.
SO WE'LL BE BUYING LOCAL FOR ALL THE REPAIRS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO SCREEN THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR ALL THE, UH, DRIVES INSTEAD OF BEING GRAVEL TO BE CONCRETE, I GET THE 18 SPACES CAN, THE DRIVES BE WIDENED TO 25 FEET.
UM, THE DRIVES IS BEING WIDENED TO 18 FEET.
UH, AND THAT'S THE ENTRANCES ACTUALLY.
AND WHERE THAT RUNS INTO A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM IS, UH, AND CAITLYN, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME ON ANYTHING I SAY INCORRECTLY.
UH, I THINK WE HAVE RUN INTO LIMITATIONS RELATIVE TO THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT OUT OUR FENCE AND FIX THAT, WHICH IS NO BIG DEAL.
WIDENING THE DRIVEWAYS IS NOT AN ISSUE OTHER THAN WE'D HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL CULVERTS TO A DRAINAGE.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE, OR YEAH, I COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT BY ALL MEANS.
SO ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND TOO IS THERE IS A CERTAIN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE PERCENTAGE.
SO I BELIEVE, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL IT'S GONNA BE A 55% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
SO THEY CAN'T EXCEED THAT WITH PAVING.
SO THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY AS WELL.
AND THEN SOME ISSUES WIDENING THE DRIVE AISLES WOULD THEN CUT INTO WHERE YOU PARK AND THEN YOU'D RUN INTO VARIANCES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET YOUR PARKING TO BE THE RIGHT DIMENSION.
SO THAT, AS THE REVIEWER IS WHAT I WAS SEEING, UM, WERE KIND OF TRIGGERING THESE VARIANCES.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THAT CAN BE DONE TO BEAUTIFY THE PROPERTY AND, AND, UH, HIDE ITS COMMERCIAL ESQUE.
I, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.
UH, OUR LANDSCAPING PROGRAM, UM, WHO, WHO'S GOT CONTROL OF THE THING? THERE YOU GO.
UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING.
UM, AGAIN, THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY DOESN'T LIKE GRAVEL ANYMORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE DOES, AND HE WANTS THEM TO BE PRETTY, UH, THE FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE PRIVACY SLATS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE WHOLE THING, SO YOU CAN'T SEE IN, OTHER THAN THE BUILDING BEING ON TOP, UH, THERE ARE NO PLANTS IN THE BACK AREA RIGHT NOW, NOR ON THE, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO WE WILL BE PLANTING MATURE TREES, MIND YOU.
NOW, I'M NOT GONNA LIE AND SAY THEY'RE GONNA BE 40 FEET TALL, BUT THEY WILL BE MATURE TREES THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND WE'LL BE MAINTAINED.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, AN ENGINEERED, UH, IRRIGATION SYSTEM INVOLVED IN IT TOO.
MAKE SURE EVERYTHING GROWS PROPER AND WE'LL HAVE PROFESSIONAL, UH, LANDSCAPERS TAKING CARE OF IT 24 7.
I'M NOT GONNA MOW IT, THAT'S FOR SURE.
UM, I WAS A BIT SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THIS WASN'T ALREADY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
UH, IT VERY MUCH LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT BEING A METAL BUILDING.
UM, SO I, I'M, I'M GLAD THIS SLIDES UP.
THE, THE DRIVES ARE ON LAWRENCE, UH, THERE, THERE WILL BE NO ENTRANCE ON DEANDRE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THERE BUSINESSES ALL UP DOWN LAWRENCE.
WHAT? YEAH, THERE'S BUSINESSES ALL UP AND DOWN LAWRENCE.
UM, THAT'S WHY I SAID I WAS A BIT SURPRISED TO FIND OUT INITIALLY.
'CAUSE I KNOW THIS BUILDING PRETTY WELL.
I'VE DRIVEN BY SEVERAL TIMES AND I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS COMMERCIAL AND I THINK SOMEONE MADE THE COMMENT THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN EVENT CENTER AT ONE POINT.
UM, IT WAS RENTED OUT FOR SOMETHING THEY WERE TRYING TO, AND THEN IT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH ZONING.
UH, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW MUCH FUN THAT WOULD'VE BEEN.
UM, YEAH, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE KIND OF BEEN ADDRESSED ALREADY.
IT, IT SEEMS TO BE, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY WOULD BE INVESTED IN.
UM, I THINK I SEE SOME POSITIVE THINGS HERE.
UM, SO, BUT FOR, FOR NOW, IT'S, I I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YET.
FRANK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I'M GOOD.
I THINK WE'VE COVERED, COVERED EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING THAT I WOULD THE, UM, JUST A QUESTION FOR, UH, CAITLIN, I GUESS, OR WHOEVER CAN ANSWER IT.
BUT IF THIS, IF THIS IS PASSED AS PROPOSED BY STAFF WITH THE 10 EXCEPTIONS TO, TO THE RULES, IS IT POSSIBLE, ARE THESE THINGS POSSIBLE? CAN THEY BE DONE? CAN THEY BE ACHIEVED? UH, AS WE WERE SPEAKING EARLIER, SOME ITEMS MAY VERY WELL BE ABLE TO BE ACHIEVED, BUT SOME MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO JUST BECAUSE OF SIZE.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE IF IT IS, IF YOU CHOOSE TO NOT APPROVE THE SUP OR IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO APPROVE CERTAIN VARIANCES, IF, IF YOU DO NOT APPROVE THE VARIANCE TO THE, TO THE RULES, CAN IT BE, CAN IT BE DONE? CAN THEY ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? WHAT DO PEOPLE CALL, LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY BY DOING ALL THE THESE 10 THINGS? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN CYCLE TO IT.
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YOU COULD FUNCTION AS A BUSINESS AND RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND GET, UM, AN APPROVED INSPECTION IF YOU ARE LACKING IN CERTAIN ITEMS. SO YOU'D EITHER HAVE TO COME IN COMPLIANCE OR RECEIVE A VARIANCE, BUT SOME ITEMS YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME FULLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH.SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, 18 PARKING SPOTS ARE REQUIRED, BUT IN THE SAME VEIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 25 FOOT WIDE DRIVE AISLES.
SO JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE GEOMETRY OF IT, IT'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE WITH HOW THE BUILDING IS, UM, POSITIONED TO HAVE 18 SPACES THAT ARE 19 FEET LONG PLUS 2 25 FOOT WIDE DRIVE AISLES.
AND THOSE DRIVE AISLES CANNOT BE DEAD END.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOPED OR YOU'D HAVE TO PROVIDE A HAMMERHEAD, AND THEN YOU'D BE EATING INTO YOUR LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
UM, THAT 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UM, THAT YOU SEE THIS TREAT AREA.
AND THAT IS A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER OF 30 FEET.
SO MEETING CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WOULD TRIGGER OTHER VARIANCES JUST FROM THE NATURE OF THE TRACTED AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH, WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IF I MAY, THE, THE, THE ONLY VARIANCES THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE WOULD JUST BE DIMENSIONAL VARIANCES THAT WE WOULD FAIL ON, UH, ANY VARI OR ANY REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO FOR LANDSCAPING OR APPEARANCE OR FENCING OR PRIVACY.
IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT IN, IN LINE WITH PHYSICS, WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE CAN'T MEET IT DIMENSIONALLY, WE JUST SIMPLY CANNOT MEET IT DIMENSIONALLY.
AND, AND PARKING, I THINK WAS ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUES, KIND OF THE 30 FOOT, UH, VARIANCE, EXCUSE ME, THE 30 FOOT LANDSCAPING BUFFER ON THE BACK END OF THE PROPERTY, WE ARE IN VIOLATION OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A SWIMMING POOL IN IT, EIGHT FEET INTO IT.
SO WE ONLY HAVE 22 FEET OF BUFFER IN THAT AREA.
AND SO THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE VARIANCE.
THE ALTERNATIVE, AGAIN, IF WE HAD TO, MY BOSS SAID, IF I HAVE TO, I'LL DIG THE SWIMMING POOL UP.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO MEET THE EXPECTATIONS.
AND SO I SAY IT WITH FULL CONFIDENCE, UH, TO EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD IN WORKING WITH THE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
IF THERE IS A PHYSICAL WAY THAT WE CAN FIX SOMETHING, WE WILL.
UH, AGAIN, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GET, UH, 18 PARKING LOTS, 18 PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE, UH, A CERTAIN DIMENSION LENGTH BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH LANDSCAPE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ACREAGE FOR US TO ACHIEVE THAT.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL MEET THE UDC EVERYWHERE WE CAN, BUT WE'RE STILL AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 15 PEOPLE IN IT.
AND SO WE'LL FOLLOW WHAT WE CAN.
WELL, IF IT, IF IT'S PHYSICALLY NOT POSSIBLE, THEN, THEN WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? FORGIVE ME.
WHAT? SO HE'S SAYING IT'S NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE VARIANCES.
WELL, I, I KNOW, BUT IF, IF WE DON'T DO THE VARIANCES, THEN IT'S A MOOT POINT, RIGHT? IT IS, YES.
WHENEVER YOU PASS AN SUP, IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SUP, THEY WILL NOT GET IT GRANTED.
SO THE S ALL SUVS ARE MADE ARE CONTINGENT UPON THEM SATISFYING THE CONDITIONS SET BY EITHER THE P AND Z OR THE CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU DECIDE TO, FOR INSTANCE, THE PARKING SPACE ONE, IF THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GRANT A VARIANCE FOR THAT ONE, YOU WANT HIM TO HAVE THE 18 SPACES WITH THE VARIOUS SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT IS LOGISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, THEN EVEN THOUGH YOU GRANT THE SUP, HE WILL NEVER GET ISSUED IT BECAUSE HE'S NOT ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENT.
IS THERE, UM, IS IN THE PLANNING FOR ALL THIS, DID THE, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS GIVE ANY INDICATION OF THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE THAT WOULD SATISFY THEM? BECAUSE I'M WONDERING IS, IS IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE THAT WOULD SATISFY THEM? OTHERWISE, WHAT PROBABLY IS GONNA HAPPEN IS PROPERTY'S GONNA BE IN A CONTINUOUS LOOP OF ESSENTIALLY BEING HANDED DOWN TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP IT, AND EVENTUALLY IT'LL JUST
SO THIS PROPERTY, UM, WE, WE'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT OPEN HOUSES WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UM, AND WE'VE SAT DOWN AND TALKED WITH MANY OF THEM, UH, THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO US.
UH, THAT'S THEIR THEIR RIGHT AND THEIR THEIR OPINION.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL THAT DID HAVE OPINIONS.
UH, THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT CAME IN AND SPOKE TO US THAT, UH, HAD NEGATIVE OPINIONS.
AND AFTER WE EXPRESSED WHAT IT WAS AND THEY GOT TO SEE HOW WE WERE ORGANIZING THE BUILDING AND WHAT WE'RE USING, THEY, THEY CHANGED THEIR MINDS AND THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF IT.
UH, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS, AND AGAIN, ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE, THE PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT, UM,
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THE WE'RE NOT GONNA, THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS AREN'T WHAT'S HOLDING THIS UP OTHER THAN IT IS NEVER GONNA BE OKAY TO THEM.UH, WHAT OUR CHALLENGES ARE IS WITH THE VARIANCES SPECIFICALLY, WHICH ARE UDC CODE REQUIREMENTS, AND AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MEET THEM.
UM, THERE'S CERTAIN PARTS OF IT.
AGAIN, AS WE BOUGHT IT, THIS WAS A $1.4 MILLION PROPERTY THAT HAD PLENTY OF SPACE FOR THE SIZE OF COMPANY THAT WE WERE AND ARE.
AND IT MET ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR, OUR STRUCTURE, OUR SIZE, OUR PARKING, WHAT WE NEEDED AT THE TIME.
UH, AGAIN, WORKING THROUGH THE ZONING IS WHEN WE STARTED REALIZING WITH THE UDC ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT HAS BECOME A CHALLENGE.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION WITH THAT ONE.
WELL, I IT WAS MORE FOR, FOR THE, THE LEAGUE CITY TEAM HERE, IS HAVE THEY GIVEN YOU ANY INDICATION THAT THERE WERE THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE THAT WOULD MAKE THEM SATISFACTORY WITH THIS PROPERTY BEING USED AS A BUSINESS? OR IS IT JUST PURELY THEY DON'T WANT ANY BUSINESS WHATSOEVER THERE? YEAH.
UM, WE HEARD CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS.
YOU KNOW, THOSE CONCERNS INCLUDE TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT, THAT I PERSONALLY HEARD THAT WAS, HEY, IF THEY DO THIS, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, THEY'RE EMPTYING ONTO LAWRENCE, WHICH IS A MAJOR OR A MINOR ARTERIAL ROAD, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC.
IT'LL BE EXPAND IN THE FUTURE, OF COURSE, UM, FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, ALL THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF WHENEVER THEY COME IN FOR THEIR PERMITS TO REDO THE SITE, WE'LL ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON, OR NO ADVERSE IMPACT ON ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND THEN IT MEETS ALL OF OUR CODES AND REGULATIONS, UH, RELATED TO DRAINAGE.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SPECIFIC.
IF THEY DO THIS, THEN WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? I, I, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED HOW YOU CAN PAY 1,000,002 FOR A FACILITY THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE IT OR NOT.
I, THAT, THAT JUST TO ME, IT, IT'S, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S STRANGE.
UM, NOW IF WE DON'T GRANT THE, UM, UH, EXCEPTIONS, IF THEY HAVE TO, IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY, IF WE DO GRANT THE EXCEPTIONS, THEN, THEN IT HAS TO BE PASSED BY TWO-THIRDS OF THE, UH, OR THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, BECAUSE WE RECEIVED A PETITION THAT CONSTITUTED 33% OF THE, UH, LAND AREA WITHIN THE BUFFER.
THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS THAT THREE FORCE MAJORITY.
SO IF, IF WE, UM, IF WE ACTUALLY APPROVE THIS AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF, THEN IT'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, APPROVAL AND THEY'LL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION AS FAR AS THE EXCEPTIONS ARE CONCERNED, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO BASICALLY WE DIDN'T GET ELECTED TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
WELL, BASICALLY WE DIDN'T GET ELECTED AT ALL.
Y'ALL ARE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, UM, TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM.
SO WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW IS THE FACT THAT, THAT IF WE DO APPROVE THIS WITH THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY, BY A STAFF AS FAR AS THE, UH, VARIANCES, UH, WAIVING THE, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT THE EXISTING LAWS REQUIRE, UM, THEN THEY'LL GO TO COUNCIL AND THEY MAKE FINAL DECISION ON IT.
I WENT BY THE FACILITY YESTERDAY.
I I WAS, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE FACILITY OF THAT MAGNITUDE WAS SITTING WHERE IT WAS.
I DID Y'ALL BUILD THIS? NO, SIR.
NO, WE JUST BOUGHT IT, UH, EARLY LAST YEAR.
YEAH, I THINK IT WAS BUILT IN 16.
IT WAS BUILT IN MARCH OF 2014.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IF WE APPROVE IT, IT GOES TO COUNSEL AND THEY MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION AS TO WHETHER TO, UM, UH, GRANT THE, UH, VARIANCES ON THE REQUIREMENTS AS REQUIRED BY
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THE EXISTING LAW.SO IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE CAN APPROVE IT AND SEND IT TO 'EM AND SAY AB AT IT, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, IT, I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE STATING PRECEDENTS OF 10, 10, 10 EXCEPTIONS TO THE EXISTING, EXISTING ORDINANCES.
IT, IT, UH, I MEAN, YOU, YOU COULD HAVE THIS FACILITY BEING PROPOSED IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUILT OUT SUBDIVISION, REGULAR SUBDIVISION.
IF, IF YOU'VE SET THE PRECEDENT OF OF, OF ALLOWING THE EXCEPTIONS, UH, TO THE RULE.
I JUST DON'T, I GUESS I DON'T GET IT.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF OF BRINGING IT TO A HEAD, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, OF THIS.
BUT I WOULD SAY WITHOUT THE VARIANCES AND, UH, AND THAT, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO, TO, UH, TO COUNSEL.
WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT? MAYBE
UM, GRANT, THE GRANT, THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PERMITS TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT YOU GOTTA BRING IT ALL UP TO CODE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY MOTION.
AND WE WILL, IF THERE'S A SECOND, WE'LL TAKE IT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA VOTE NO.
IS THERE A SECOND? THERE IS NOT A SECOND YET.
DON'T WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND TO VOTE IT DOWN? THEN? I WILL SECOND I MAKE A MO I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, WELL, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
NO, THE MOTION, THE MOTION'S MADE.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS, IS, UH, UH, APPROVE.
UH, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IF YOU DON'T, IF WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE DONE THAT WAY, THEN WE VOTE NO.
AND WE'VE DECIDED A LONG TIME AGO, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SEND IT TO, TO COUNSEL IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH THE PROJECT.
ON, UM, THIS, UH, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE HOMEOWNER'S PERSPECTIVE, AND, UM, I SYMPATHIZE WITH THAT.
I ALSO KNOW THIS IS A VERY COMMERCIAL AREA.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT DOWN THE STREET IS, UM, UH, ON THE CHEMO SIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ON BOTH PARTS OF THE, UH, LEAGUE CITY PART OF LAWRENCE, IT'S COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK IT DOES A SERVICE TO ANYBODY FOR US TO VOTE ON THIS WITHOUT THE, UM, WITHOUT THE VARIANCES INCLUDED, BECAUSE THIS WAS A PACKAGE HANDED TO US, BASICALLY.
NOW I KNOW WE CAN CHANGE OUR PACKAGES SOMETIMES, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE VOTE NO ON THIS MOTION, AND THEN CONSIDER A MOTION INCLUDING THE VARIANCES.
AND THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL CAN STILL VOTE.
WAS THAT AN AMENDED MOTION THEN? NO, I WAS JUST IN DISCUSSION.
I CAN'T, WELL, NO, THAT'S FINE.
JUST YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION? IT, IT'S, WHATEVER ORIGINAL MOTION IS, IS TO TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITHOUT GRANTING THE VARIANCES.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, ALL OF THESE VARIANCES THAT YOU SEEM OUT THERE, THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
THEY WOULD BE IN PLACE AND BE SENT TO COUNSEL.
THEY WOULD NOT BE NONE OF THESE, THESE ARE THE VARIANCES ON BOARD.
RIGHT? UM, SO A COUPLE SCREENS BACK, ONE, SORRY.
THESE, THESE ARE ALL THE VARIANCES.
AND SO NONE OF THESE WOULD BE INCLUDED.
YEAH, THE VARI THERE WERE, THERE WOULD NO BE NO VARIANCES ACCORDING TO THIS.
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OKAY, SO THAT WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND.AND SO JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, IF WE APPROVE THIS ITEM WITH NONE OF THE VARIANCES, IT'S ALMOST ESSENTIALLY A DISAPPROVAL, UH, BECAUSE THEY CANNOT OPERATE WITHOUT THESE VARIANCES.
SO JUST A SUGGESTION, UM, IF YOU WANTED TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE VARIANCES WITH ALL OF THE CONDITIONS, AND THEN IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN, YOU CAN VOTE NO.
AND IF YOU DO WANT IT TO HAPPEN, YOU CAN VOTE.
THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, A CLEANER WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
IT GETS MORE COMPLICATED ALL THE TIME.
YOU CAN DO, IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN DO AN AMENDED MOTION.
AND IF SOMEONE MAKES AN AMENDED MOTION TO WHAT, UH, CHRIS CARPENTER JUST SAID, AND SOMEONE SECONDS IT, AND THEN THERE'S A VOTE TO AMEND IT, UNLESS THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO MADE THE MOTION AGREE TO THE AMENDMENT AS CHRIS STATED, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE A VOTE TO AMEND THE MOTION.
CHRIS, IF WE VOTE NO, DO THEY HAVE TO STOP OPERATIONS AT THAT PLACE? SO CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA MAKE THE FINAL SAY.
SO IF CITY COUNCIL VOTES, NO, THEY'LL HAVE TO CEASE OPERATIONS.
AND SO AGAIN, Y'ALL ARE JUST RECOMMENDING, SO IT'LL, WE'LL, IT'LL BE FORWARDED TO COUNSEL WITH Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S LIKE I FEEL BAD THAT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, PUT US IN A ROCK IN A HARD SPOT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SITUATION.
SO, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION TO PAUL'S MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUP 24 DASH 0 0 0 6 AS PRESENTED AND RECOMMENDED BY, UM, THE CITY, WHICH INCLUDES THE, UH, VARIANCES.
SECOND, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO AMEND IT TO THE NEW MOTION.
AND SO THIS WON'T BE A VOTE TO APPROVE THAT MOTION? YES, IT'S A VOTE TO ACTUALLY, THE ACTION TO AMEND IT.
AND, AND SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
I'LL TRY AND SAY IT THE RIGHT WAY AGAIN.
UM, I, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE THE APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUP 24 DASH ZERO SIX, WITH THE VARIANCES INCLUDED AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY.
UM, SO I WOULD HAVE TO AMEND MY ORIGINAL MOTION.
IS THAT WHAT I'D BE? OH, ONLY IF IT PASSES.
SO NOW THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO NOW THE BOARD NEEDS TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT MOTION BE AMENDED.
AND IF THAT PASSES, THEN THERE'LL BE A SECOND VOTE ON THAT MOTION AS AMENDED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF, OF RUTH'S, UH, AMENDED MOTION.
THAT, THAT PASSES NOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO NOW THERE'S, NOW THAT IS THE NEW AMENDED MOTION.
SO NOW THE BOARD CAN VOTE UP OR DOWN, HOWEVER THE BOARD MEMBERS WANT ON THAT AMENDED MOS, WHICH IS BASICALLY TO ACCEPT ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING ALL BELOW THE VARIANCES.
AND WE DO HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A SECOND ON THAT AS WELL.
SINCE THAT PASSED, THAT'S THE NEW AMENDED MOTION.
SO YOU JUST DISCUSSION OR WHEN YOU'RE READY TO VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF BRUCE AMENDED MOTION.
WAS THERE, WAIT, WE HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION NOW, DON'T WE? THAT WAS A, WHEN YOU TOOK THE VOTE, THAT MADE THE MAIN MOTION.
NOW, SO NOW THAT IS THE MOTION THAT'S PENDING ON THE FLOOR.
IT WAS FIRST AND THEN THERE WAS A SECOND, AND THEN YOU HAD A MOTION TO AMEND AND THERE WAS A PERSON SECOND ON THAT, AND THERE WAS A VOTE TAKEN.
SO NOW THAT IS A PENDING MOTION, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE CONTINUING DISCUSSION, YOU'RE FREE TO DO THAT.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, THE MOTION AS PRESENTED BY MY, BY MS. MORRISON.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND LET'S DO IT ONE MORE TIME.
NOW, THIS IS A VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THIS, THIS SUP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4 FOR THAT MOTION.
AND THAT WOULD BE WHO'S, WHO'S OPPOSED TO IT? YOU GOT 1, 2, 3
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OPPOSED THAT DIDN'T DO IT, DID IT? WELL, YOU'RE JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY BELIEVED, UM, IT WOULD BE CITY COUNCIL WHO WOULD NEED THAT.SO IT'S, WE ONLY HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS NOW, RIGHT? YES.
BUT THE ULTIMATE BODY THAT ACTUALLY MAKES A DECISION WOULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO UNDER THE STATUTE, THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH IN THIS CASE, SINCE THERE'S SIX ON OR EIGHT ON COUNCIL, IT WOULD BE A SIX VOTE.
SO IT, THIS ADVANCES TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A POSITIVE, UM, VOTE FROM, OR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE P AND Z BOARD.
BUT ULTIMATELY, FOR THIS TO PASS, IT HAS TO HAVE SIX POSITIVE VOTES, ASSUMING THERE'S EIGHT PEOPLE AT IN ATTENDANCE AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
KINDA HAVE TO HAVE A DEGREE IN ROBERT'S RULES,
ANYWAY, DID WE DECIDE WHERE WE'RE AT? DID WE, WE, WE VOTED YES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL FORWARD ON TO COUNCIL.
WE APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT FROM, FROM EVERYONE, AND I'M SORRY THAT IT TURNED INTO, UH, SUCH A, UH, CONFUSED ISSUE, BUT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER DAY OF RECKONING WHEN IT GOES TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, PAYON, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OKAY.
[5. New Business]
CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON A MASTER PLAN.PATRICK SOUTH, GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF FARM TO MARKET ROAD FIVE 17 FM FIVE 17 EAST OF OAK VIEW DRIVE, AND WEST OF CEMETERY ROAD.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A MASTER PLAN ON LEAGUE CITIES WEST SIDE.
THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 328 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED BY THE SAME DEVELOPER AS THE PETRALE SUBDIVISION.
HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE DUNCAN PUD, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE BOUND TO ANY OF THE PUD UM, REGULATIONS.
THIS IS JUST THE UD C'S REGULATIONS.
IT PROPOSES A 439 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS THAT RANGE IN SIZE FROM 80 FEET WIDE AND 135 FEET DEEP TO 117 FEET WIDE AND 135 FEET DEEP.
UM, AND THAT DOES COMPLY WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS.
THIS AREA IS ZONED RSF SEVEN, UM, AND THAT HAS A 50 FOOT FRONTAGE WITH A MINIMUM, UH, LOT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 7,000.
SO THESE ARE WELL IN COMPLIANCE, UM, WITH THE UDC ZONING REGULATIONS, AND IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
TAKING A QUICK LOOK AT THE PARKS AND TRAILS, THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE APPROXIMATELY 5.85 ACRES OF HOA PARKLAND TO BE DEDICATED.
AND THE PLAN IS DEDICATING APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES OF HOA PARKLAND.
UM, AND IT IS ALSO IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR 2024, UH, PARKS AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I THINK THE, UH, DEVELOPER IS HERE AS WELL.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFF CANNOT ANSWER, I'M SURE THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO TO DO THAT.
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR, OR NOT.
I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE MASTER PLAN.
MP 24 0 0 0 3 AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AND WE HAVE ONE ABSTENTION AND THE MOTION PASSES.
I'M SORRY, BUT YOU DREW THE, THE SHORT STRAW.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS REQUEST A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT TIME.
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COMMENTS? GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT, UH, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, UH, DR.
OPS DID, UH, RESIGN FROM THE COMMISSION, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY AS WELL AS MR. YOUNG HAS RESIGNED.
SO THIS IS HIS LAST MEETING, AND STAFF WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY A, A BIG THANKS FOR THEIR SERVICE ON THE BOARD.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE, AND WE, WE APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT, THAT, UH, UH, THAT THEY HAVE SPENT.
AND, UH, I, I ASSUME THAT COUNSEL WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THEIR REPLACEMENTS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT? STAFF HAVE ANY MORE? IF NOT, WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED.