Dec 19, 2024 Historic Commission

JUST NOTICE THAT, UM, MR. PEARSON ISN'T ON THE LIST.

DID HE RESIGN? YES, HE DID.

OH, HE DIDN'T LIKE THIS.

HE WAS JUST A REALLY GOOD SOURCE.

CARRY ON WITH THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE AUGUST 15TH MINUTES.

YEAH, WE, YEAH, WE, UH, WE NEED THAT KIND STUFF.

MS. RICK.

UH, S ROLLING ON MUTE, BUT WE'LL

[2. Approval of August 15, 2024, minutes]

IS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM? MM-HMM .

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? NO.

UH, HEARING THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS WRITTEN? I MOVE ACCEPT THEM.

I SECOND IT.

THE FOURTH AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION ITEMS. ITEM A IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HC 24 DASH 0 1 8, UH, 6 0 8 FOURTH STREET, TO A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND DETACHED GARAGE.

THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

UH, THE MOTION PASSES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, AND SO THOSE ARE APPROVED AND SIGNED.

MOVING TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE? NO.

AND SO WE'LL MOVE TO

[4.A. Hold a public hearing and take action on a Certificate of Appropriateness, HC-24-0018, (608 4" Street), a request to construct a new single-family residence and detached garage.]

GOOD EVENING.

UM, FOR THE RECORD, I'M ANNE WILLIAMS, UM, PLANNER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 1,953 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND A 925 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE WITH STORAGE LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND HERE IS THE SITE PLAN.

UM, IF YOU NOTICE THAT THE FRONT DOOR AND FRONT PORCH IS GOING TO BE FACING, UM, FOURTH STREET, SORRY, I JUST BLANKED ON THE ROAD.

AND THEN THE GARAGE, THEY'LL ACCESS THAT, OH, I'M SORRY.

I TAKE THAT BACK.

MICHIGAN AVENUE, AND THEN THE GARAGE WILL BE ON FOURTH STREET.

AND HERE ARE THERE ELEVATION DRAWINGS FROM ALL VIEWS.

AND HERE IS, UM, THEIR 3D ILLUSTRATION.

SO THE, UM, ALL THE MATERIALS IN DESIGN, UM, I'VE CHARTED THEM ALL OUT AND BASICALLY EVERYTHING COMPLIES WITH ONE EXCEPTION.

UM, AND IT'S NOT THAT IT DOESN'T COMPLY.

THE ROOF IS A FAIRLY COMPLEX DESIGN AND THE HISTORIC, UM, DISTRICT OR THE UDC REQUIRES THAT, THAT HAS COMMISSION APPROVAL.

SO JUST TO, UM, SUM IT UP FOR STAFF FINDINGS, UM, IT'S, EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

UM, THE MATERIAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SUBJECT TO THE ROOF BEING APPROVED, UM, THE DETACHED GARAGE COMPLIES WITH ALL THE UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

UM, THERE WILL BE A FENCE AND THE FENCE MATERIAL COMPLIES AND THE SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

SO THEN THAT'S IT.

I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, AND, AND FIRST IT STARTS OFF WITH THE, UM,

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UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOURTH STREET ADDRESS, BUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ACTUALLY FACES, UM, UH, MICHIGAN.

DOES THAT CREATE ANY, UH, ANY ISSUES THERE? DOES IT NEED TO BE REPLANTED TO BE A, UH, MICHIGAN ADDRESS, OR HOW DOES ALL THAT WORK? , THE, THE DRIVEWAY IS ENTERING ON FOURTH, SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.

AND FRANKLY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE REALLY LOOKED INTO IT THAT FAR WITH THE ADDRESS, UM, BEING, BEING OFF FOURTH STREET.

UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.

GENERALLY, HOUSES ARE ADDRESSED OFF THE STREET.

THEY'RE FRONTING.

UM, SO TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SEE A MICHIGAN ADDRESS ON A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, UM, BEING THAT THE OLD H YOU KNOW WHAT THE OLD HOUSE FRONTED? UM, IT WAS THE SAME CONFIGURATION.

WELL, IF THAT HOUSE WAS VERY, IT'S WONKY.

THAT WAS REALLY WONKY.

SO IT'D BE, BE HARD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

IT'S THE FRONT DOOR CERTAINLY WASN'T FACING MICHIGAN.

WHERE THE FRONT DOOR WAS FACING REALLY WAS INTO THE, INTO THEIR YARD.

SO, SO WE'LL LOOK INTO IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S PROPERLY ADDRESSED FOR ALL, ALL OUR 9 1 1 PROTOCOLS.

Y YEAH.

I DON'T SEE IT AS A BIG ISSUE, BUT I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE IN THE CODE THAT THE HOUSE SHOULD FRONT, SHOULD FACE THE, THE STREET.

WELL, IT GETS INTO THE BUILD LINE LOCATIONS, FRONT YARD AND SIDE YARD DESIGNATIONS AND SUCH.

UM, I HAD TO, I HAD TO SORT OF DIG TO, 'CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, SO USUALLY THE FRONT YARD IS THE, THE SIDE THAT IT'S ADDRESSED TO.

AND THE SIDE YARD IS, IS, WELL, THE SIDE YARD IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE SORT OF FLIPPED, BUT THE BUILD LINES ARE DRAWN PER THE, PER THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.

SO THAT ACTUALLY IS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD.

'CAUSE THE, THE, THE DRAWINGS DON'T REALLY SHOW LIKE THE, UH, THE FRONTAGES OF THE, THE HOUSE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE GARAGE IS SET BACK 20 FEET FROM, UH, FOURTH STREET, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THEN ALIGNS WITH THE OTHER HOUSES ALONG MM-HMM .

FOURTH STREET.

SO THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.

BUT THEN ALONG MICHIGAN IT'S GOT A 10 FOOT SETBACK.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT IS NOT LINING UP MM-HMM .

WITH THE OTHER, OTHER HOUSES ON MICHIGAN.

SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.

I THINK IT MUST, IT, IT PROBABLY HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT FRONT BEING THAT THE ADDRESS WAS FOURTH, FOURTH STREET, THE FRONT YARD SET BACK BEING THE 20 AND THE SIDE YARD BEING THE 10.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY COMING FROM.

THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THEN TO LINE UP THE, BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE THEN YOU, YOU'RE GOING DOWN MICHIGAN, YOU GOT ONE HOUSE THAT BUMPS OUT, AND THEN THE OTHER, EVERYTHING ELSE IS, IS BACK.

NOW GRANTED IT'S NOT LIKE A, UH, UH, A STREET.

MM-HMM.

LIKE ON, ON, UH, FOURTH THEY'RE LINED UP THIS WAY.

THERE'S FAIRLY LONG DISTANCES BETWEEN, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, ALL THE GARAGES ON, UM, MICHIGAN, THEY'RE ALL LINED UP MM-HMM .

AND LOOK AT THE OTHER GARAGE OVER THERE ON CORELLE.

UH, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA STICK FORWARD.

AND YEAH, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S JUST COMES DOWN TO THE WHOLE SIDE YARD VERSUS FRONT YARD.

IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE THE, I GUESS THE MORE PROMINENT FACE WOULD'VE BEEN FOURTH.

AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THE ADDRESSING WAS DONE ON THE FOURTH.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE OLD HOUSE WELL, THAT WOULD YEAH, BECAUSE THAT BEGS THE QUESTION THEN IS, IS IT JUST SHEER COINCIDENCE THAT ALL THOSE OTHER HOUSES ON MICHIGAN MM-HMM .

ARE SET BACK ALONG THAT SAME LINE? I WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN, YEAH.

I MEAN, AND IT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT ALSO GETS INTO WHEN THOSE BUILDING LINES WERE PUT INTO THOSE BUILDING LINE REQUIREMENTS WERE PUT INTO THE, INTO THE CODE, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY JUST SET THEIR HOUSE WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY DID, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, THEY PREDATE THE CODE.

RAISED UP, WHAT'S, HOW ABOUT WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THAT ON THE NEIGHBORS AS FAR AS WATER DRAIN, ET CETERA.

I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY IS, BUT, UM, AND THEN I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S NO OBLIGATION FOR THIS HOUSE TO HAVE ANY HISTORIC FEATURES AT ALL, BUT IT HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ET CETERA.

AND THAT, UH, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE GOT IS THE OTHER HOUSES AROUND IT ARE ALL ON PURE AND BEAM.

AND SO THIS IS A SLAB.

SO IN MY MIND, THIS MEANS THAT IT'S GONNA BE RAISED UP TO MEET THE ELEVATION, UH, REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA.

AND WHERE BEFORE, UM, AN APPEARING BEAM HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS PLACES FOR WATER TO GO AND IT KIND OF SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS IS KIND OF A LARGE HOUSE

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SO I DON'T REALLY REVIEW FOR THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC COMMISSION, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE BUILDING REGULATIONS AND FLOODPLAIN AND DRAINAGE AND ALL OF THAT WHEN THEY GET TO THE PERMITTING PART OF, OF THE BUILDING.

AND, AND I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST ADD THAT, UM, STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T ADVERSELY IMPACT YOUR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UM, FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE.

SO THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVE ALL THAT UP WHENEVER THEY DESIGN ENGINEER THE SITE.

UM, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A DRAINAGE PLAN SHOWING THAT THEY HAVE PROPER S SWES, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S BUILT UP ON THE SLAB AND IT'S COMING DOWN TOWARD THE PROPERTY LINE, THEY'LL HAVE TO BUILD A SWALE THAT CAN CONTAIN A, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT TO GET IT BACK OUT TO THE STREET AND DITCH SYSTEM.

I MEAN, THERE'S DITCHES ON BOTH SIDES, BUT THE DITCHES ARE NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL SIGNIFICANT.

BUT, UM, AND ALL OF THAT IS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY OUR ENGINEERS, OUR DUCT DRAINAGE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, SO THAT THEY'LL ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO ADVERSE IMPACT.

SO THIS IS PRE, WE'RE WE'RE CATCHING IT BEFORE PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING, YES, SIR.

THEY'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT WAY.

SO YOUR FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION, THERE'S GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT TO BE ABOVE A CERTAIN, UH, CERTAIN ELEVATION BASED ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

SO THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET THAT AS WELL.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS RIGHT OFF THE TOP 14 FEET I THINK STICKS IN MY HEAD, BUT, UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE CREEK, SO YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EL ELEVATIONS ARE THERE.

BUT I HAVE THIS PICTURE IN MY HEAD THAT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE ELEVATED SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO EVEN A ONE MORE OR LESS A ONE STORY HOUSE, ALTHOUGH KIND OF A, A TALL ONE STORY HOUSE, UM, IS GONNA BE LIKE TOWERING OVER THE OTHER HOUSES NEXT TO IT.

BUT AGAIN, THEN ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, FOURTH STREET, YOU'VE GOT THOSE TWO STORIES ANYWAY, SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'LL THROW OFF THE SCALE, BUT, UM, AND IT'S A ONE, I'VE GOT THIS BAD PICTURE.

IT'S A ONE STORY HOUSE, AND THE, AND THE RIDGE IS FAIRLY TALL FOR THE ONE STORY.

UM, BUT YEAH, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE TALKING MAYBE THREE MORE FEET, WHICH MAKES IT 25, I THINK OVERALL.

I THINK YOU'RE AT 22 TO THE RIDGE RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'S, THAT RIDGE IS SORT OF SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE MM-HMM .

VARIOUS GATE, I WON'T CALL 'EM GABLES, BUT SHEDS.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD, AND IT, IT IS ABOUT THE, UH, THE ROOF ROOF SHAPE.

AND IT, IT, IT'S SORT OF AN OPEN QUESTION IS, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, COMPLEX ROOFS SEEM TO BE THE, UM, UM, STYLE OF THE, OF THE AGE, RIGHT? SO THIS HOUSE SHOULD REFLECT THE AGE THAT IT'S BUILT, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO HAVE KIND OF A 60 SEVENTIES THROWBACK LOOK TO, TO ME.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HOUSE OF THE, OF THE AGE? BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT QUESTION.

'CAUSE I THINK THE, WHAT'S WHAT'S, IT'S HARD TO JUDGE, IT'S HARD TO JUDGE AN ERA WHEN YOU'RE IN IT, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND THE AREA WE'RE IN IS THE ERA OF MCMANSIONS AND STUFF, WHICH BASICALLY TAKE STYLES FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE AND KIND OF SMOOSH 'EM TOGETHER.

UM, YES.

I THINK THAT AT FIRST GLANCE, THIS HOUSE SORT OF STRIKES ME AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES, UH, MAYBE EARLY EIGHTIES EVEN, UM, THE SORT OF THE SHED ROOFS THAT ARE AT OPPOSING ANGLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT FROM A STYLE STANDPOINT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN, COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES? MAYBE, BUT IT, IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE MODERN THAN THAT.

NOW, UM, YEAH, IT'S HARD TO, IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT IT'S INDICATIVE OF 2024, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN TOWN AND IT, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHITE BRICK AND BLACK FRAME AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'D SEE IT, SEE JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE.

SO TERMS OF MATERIALITY AND EVERYTHING, IT, IT PROBABLY FITS WITH THE WHAT'S TRENDY NOW.

THINK FROM A SCALE STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I THINK THE SCALE IS GENERALLY IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, I, I DON'T REALLY MEAN THESE QUESTIONS TO BE MM-HMM .

NEGATIVE TOWARDS THIS HOUSE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

I ACTUALLY KIND OF LIKE IT.

AND IT'S CERTAINLY AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE THIS HOUSE DOES NEED TO FIT INTO THE HISTORIC, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, INTO A HISTORIC FEEL.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK HISTORIC, BUT IT CAN'T BE A MCMA, YOU KNOW, A BRICK MCMANSION WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE.

I DON'T, WELL, I

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YOU'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A THREE STORY TOWN HOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

RIGHT? YEAH.

IT'S SINGLE STORY.

IT'S TR IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TRYING TO DO.

UH, THE DESIGN'S TRYING TO BE RESPECTIVE OF THE SURROUNDINGS.

UM, YEAH, I THINK I'D HAVE A LOT MORE TROUBLE IF THERE WERE A LOT OF THOSE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SMALLER, UM, , YOU KNOW, MID CENTURY OR, UH, POSTWAR HOUSES ALL AROUND IT.

BUT WITH THE OTHER HOUSES, TWO STORIES NEXT TO IT OR WHATEVER.

I MM-HMM .

I DON'T SEE WHERE IT, IT ADVERSELY IMPACTS IT.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YEAH.

I, I LOVE THE HOUSE.

I REALLY LOVE IT, BUT IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, .

I REALLY LIKE IT.

BUT YEAH.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT? UH, NO.

I CAN'T DECIDE IF THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR A MODERN CHURCH OR WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

SO IF YOU GO OVER TO, UH, PERKINS, WHAT, WHAT'S THAT SUBJECT? MARSHALL EDITION? MM-HMM .

IF YOU GO OVER THERE, YOU CAN SEE HOUSES THAT, UM, THAT, NOT JUST LIKE THAT, BUT I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT SOME FEEL ABOUT THAT.

IT'S VAGUELY RANCH, I GUESS MAYBE.

'CAUSE IT'S LOW SLUNG, IT'S NOT REALLY A RANCH, BUT IT'S KIND OF GOT A VAGUE, VAGUELY THAT SORT OF PROPORTIONALITY TO IT, I THINK UNIQUE AND YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF RANCHES OVER THERE YEAH.

THAT HAVE THAT KIND OF FEEL.

I JUST THINK IT'S UNIQUE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT, OH YEAH.

GET A COPYCAT OF ANYTHING.

NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.

AND IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU READ THROUGH THE, UH, I GET CONFUSED WHERE I SAW IT IN THE CODE, BUT WHEN YOU KIND OF READ THROUGH IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKING A HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, FORCING IT TO LOOK OLD OR, OR THAT WAS ONE.

NO, NO, THAT WAS DEFINITELY ONE THING I WANTED TO BRING TO THE MEETING WAS THAT SOMETIMES MAKING SOMETHING LOOK LIKE IT'S FROM THE 1940S IS WORSE THAN JUST ALLOWING THE THING TO BE WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? YEAH.

BECAUSE THEN YOU, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK LIKE THE FORTIES.

WHO'S TO SAY WHICH ONE IS ACTUALLY FROM THE FORTIES? RIGHT.

BUT NOW, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORM BASED CODE, WHICH, WHICH DEALS WITH THE OLD TOWN AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF, IT'S ABOUT PUSHING AND PULLING THE ELEVATIONS, BUT LEAVING THE ORIGINALS KIND OF WHERE THEY ARE, THE IDEA IS TO ALMOST HIGHLIGHT THE OLD, RIGHT.

AND SO IF YOU, IF YOU ALLOW THE OLD TO BE THE OLD AND YOU ALLOW THE NEW TO BE THE NEW, YOU'RE DOING THAT, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, OH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NEW.

OH, THAT ONE'S THE OLD ONE.

SO I THINK IN THAT WAY, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING TO WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THAT.

AND, AND LIKE, LIKE I SAID BEFORE THERE, THERE'S CER CERTAINLY NOTHING LOST IN THE OLD BUILDING.

SO HAVING, UH, DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU JUST OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING IS ALL.

OH YEAH.

I ALWAYS SKIPPED THAT PART.

UM, I'VE DONE IT TOO.

SO, AT, UH, SIX 18, I'D LIKE TO OPEN, UH, THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

WAS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? CHRIS ? UH, SEEING NONE, I'LL, UH, CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC MEETING AT, UM, SIX 19 AND, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE IT.

MY JOB.

I'LL SECOND HEARING A, UM, A MOTION TO APPROVE.

AND A SECOND.

THE NEXT, UM, AGENDA, IDA HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HC 24 DASH 0 0 21 700 SECOND STREET TO REQUEST PAINT MASONRY THAT HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN PAINTED.

THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

THE MOTION PASSES.

UH, FOUR ZERO.

MOVING TO

[4.B. Hold a public hearing and take action on a Certificate of Appropriateness, HC-24-0021, (700 2” Street), a request to paint masonry that has not previously been painted and add a sign over the front entrance of a church.]

AND ADD A SIGN OVER THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF A CHURCH.

SO THIS IS TO PAINT A STRUCTURE AND PUT A TEMPORARY SIGN UP DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER ON AN EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, YOU CAN SEE AT 700, UH, SECOND STREET THAT THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY THEM, THERE'S THE SANCTUARY BUILDING, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER OF COLORADO AND SECOND STREET.

THERE IS A MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING WHICH RUNS A, UM,

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HAS FRONTAGE ON THIRD STREET AND THEN A TWO STORY BRICK BUILDING.

I JUST WANNA KIND OF POINT THAT OUT.

I KNOW IT'S NOT SUPER CLEAR ON THIS SLIDE, BUT, SO THE REQUEST IS TO PAINT THE TWO STORY BRICK ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.

UM, THEY PROPOSED TO PAINT IT WHITE AND WITH A BLACK TRIM TO PAINT THE MASONRY, THEY WANNA, UM, MATCH THE SANCTUARY BUILDING.

SO HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE TWO STORY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, AND HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PAINTED SANCTUARY BUILDING.

OH.

AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING TO, UM, PUT UP A TEMPORARY SIGN DURING THE MONTHS OF NOVEMBER.

UM, IT'S TO, UH, ADVERTISE THEIR MOVIES WITH A MESSAGE.

UM, SO THEY HAD ERECTED A TEMPORARY SIGN AND HAD TO REMOVE IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD TO HAVE A, A PERMIT.

SO THAT'S HOW IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

UM, THEY, IT, THE SIGN COMPLIES WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REGULATIONS.

AND HERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT HERE, HERE, BEFORE THEY TOOK THE SIGN DOWN.

SO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT CLASSIFYING OR DOES NOT CLASSIFY THE PAINTING OF PREVIOUSLY UNPAINTED MASONRY SURFACES AS ORDINARY MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR.

THEREFORE, APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION IS REQUIRED.

UM, THE SANCTUARY BUILDING WAS PAINTED IN 2020 AND THE PROPOSED SIGN COMPLIES WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES IF APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT APPLICATION THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT'S IT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HERE AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS THE BUILDING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PAINT? YES.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

THE BOX LOOK MM-HMM .

UM, I GUESS ONE QUESTION JUST FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE.

I KNOW IT'S THREE BUILDINGS ON ONE PROPERTY TODAY.

COULD AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, THEY BE SEPARATED AND PARCELED OUT IF BUSINESS SITUATION CHANGED? IT COULD BE, YES.

IT COULD BE.

SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY A PACKAGE OF FOREVER.

NO.

WHICH BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

FOR, FOR A LONG TIME, THIS, THIS, UH, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WAS FOR SALE, HAD A, HAD A SIGN OUT IN FRONT OF IT, BUT IT WAS ZONED PUBLIC BECAUSE IT WAS A CHURCH.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE ZONING IF IT GOT SOLD? THE ZONING WOULD STAY THE SAME.

SO IT'D HAVE TO STAY A PUBLIC BUILDING.

SO ZONING IS BASICALLY STATIC, SO IT WOULD STAY ZONED, WHATEVER IT IS, NO MATTER HOW YOU SUBDIVIDED THE LOT.

IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY WOULD'VE TO SUBMIT A REZONING APPLICATION, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

SO AS IT SITS TODAY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC USE OR A USE THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC DISTRICT.

UM, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, THEY'D JUST SIMPLY HAVE TO RESOLVE IT.

UH, JUST A, UH, ALSO ANOTHER QUESTION ALONG THE SAME LINES.

YOU KNOW, THE PACKAGE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, BUILDING ON SECOND STREET JUST TO THE EAST OF IT AS COMMERCIAL.

UM, BUT IT'S REALLY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

AND, UM, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY FOR ME THAT, I MEAN, AS I RECALL, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WAS REALLY RESTRICTED ON WHAT YOU COULD DO.

I MEAN, IT COULDN'T BECOME A, UM, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IT, IT CANNOT BE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, AT ALL.

ANY RESTAURANT WITH A, UM, DRIVE THROUGH A NEW RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH MAYBE, MAYBE A TEA ROOM OR SOMETHING.

SO SOMETHING THAT WAS SERVING FOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THERE.

IT WOULD FALL IN THAT WHOLE TABLE ABOUT SPECIAL USE STUFF.

POTENTIALLY IT COULD BE THOUGH.

UM, SO, SO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY.

AND SO IT'S SUBJECT TO THE REGULATIONS.

THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY KIND OF IS ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, WHAT THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT IS.

SO IT, IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE.

THERE'S SPECIFIC USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

AND SO IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THOSE REGULATIONS.

SO POTENTIALLY IT COULD BE A LITTLE T SHOP OR SOMETHING IF IT WAS OWNED COMMERCIALLY.

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IT, IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON WHAT THE USE IS.

AND YOU, YOU'D BE SUBJECT TO THE USE CHART.

UM, THAT'S IN OUR UDC.

WHEN IT WAS FOR SALE, I, I WAS OFTEN WONDERING WHAT, WHO WOULD BUY IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY ZONED TO DO ANYTHING.

I DON'T THINK YOU COULD TURN IT INTO A BUNCH OF SHOPS OR SOMETHING RIGHT THERE.

YOU'D LIKELY NEED A REZONING IF YOU WERE GONNA ANSWER.

SORRY.

THAT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A SIDETRACK THERE.

UM, SO IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, MAYBE I SHOULD START WITH DO YOU HAVE TO, I, I, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE SANCTUARY BUILDING WHEN IT WAS, I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS, UH, THIS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, BUT WHEN DID THAT GET PAINTED? DID IT, WAS IT PAINTED? IT WAS PAINTED, UM, SOMETIME IN THE MIDDLE OF 2020.

SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.

IT JUST OCCURS TO ME, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL THIS ONE COMING TO US.

DIDN'T.

IT DIDN'T, IT JUST GOT, IT JUST GOT PAINTED.

AND THE THE REASON I ASK IS, IS THAT THE LOOK AND THE BASICALLY PAINTING BRICK WOULD NOT BE VERY COMMON IN THE SIXTIES.

UM, AND PAINTING THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHITE AND WHITE AND BLACK, THAT'S VERY MUCH A 2024 KIND OF A THING.

UM, SO I THINK AS, AS THIS IS BEING CONSIDERED, THE ADJACENCY AND THE USE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING AS A COMPLEX IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK COMES INTO PLAY HERE.

I I, I WOULD NOT, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE SANCTUARY BUILDING AND BEING DONE THE WAY IT'S DONE IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PURVIEW.

BUT, BUT I, UH, BUT I DO KIND OF AGREE WITH WHAT, WHERE YOU'RE GOING HERE IS, IS THAT, UM, UH, THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE WAY IT WOULD'VE BEEN WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

UH, IT WAS, IT'S CERTAINLY INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE, UH, THE, THE, THE BUILDING.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AS ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE STYLES THAT WE HAVE.

SO IN MY MIND, THIS IS A LOSS MM-HMM .

TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT THE, UH, BUILDING GOT PAINTED.

IT'S NOT AN EYESORE.

I, I MEAN, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OF, OF THE COLORS, BUT IT KIND OF IS WE WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE WITH THE OLD THAT'S THERE, IT'S NO LONGER KEEP THE CHARACTER.

AND, AND THIS UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT, IT'S NO LONGER CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I, I, I REFRESHED MY MEMORY ON THE GUIDELINES AND SAW THAT PICTURE IN THERE AND I WAS LIKE, AH, OKAY, .

UM, SO, SO WITH THAT, WHY DON'T I OPEN UP THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 28 AND IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK YES TO THIS? I'M LINDA LAWSON.

I'M SORRY.

I'M LINDA AND A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH HERE REPRESENTING, UH, THE CHURCH.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, SINCE THE SANCTUARY WAS PAINTED WITHOUT APPROVAL, IT IS BECAUSE WE WERE LEASING THE BUILDING AND FAITH ASSEMBLY WAS THE OWNER.

AND WE ASKED PERMISSION AND WE WEREN'T INFORMED THAT ANYTHING ELSE HAD TO BE DONE.

THEY JUST GAVE THEIR APPROVAL.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT HAPPENED.

AND SO WHEN WE CONTACTED, UM, AND REGARDING PAINTING THE TWO STORY BUILDING, THAT'S, UH, WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORIC COMMISSION HAD TO BE, UH, OBTAINED.

SO, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED THE SITUATION, THE BRICK IS, UH, IT APPEARS TO US THAT SOME SORT OF COVERING WAS OVER THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN.

AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS THE, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DOORS ARE.

THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, ALL LOOK ALIKE AND BE COHESIVE.

AND SO WE'RE JUST ASSUMING IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY HEAVY SIGN THAT WAS A FIXED UP, I'M SORRY, COVERING THAT WAS A FIX.

AND WHEN THEY, WHOEVER IT WAS REMOVED IT, A LOT OF THE BRICK WAS DAMAGED.

AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S A LOT OF CHAR THAT'S STUCK ON THE BUILDING, UM, NATURALLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW, WE HAVE SINCE PURCHASED THE BUILDING, BY THE WAY, A FEW MONTHS AGO, OR THE POLE CAMPUS.

UH, WE DID NOT KNOW

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SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

UH, JUST TRYING TO BEAUTIFY THE CAMPUS.

UM, WE FEEL LIKE THE ARCHITECTURE OF BEANS IN THE FRONT AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE KEEPING THE ORIGINAL STAINED GLASS, UM, THAT THAT STILL BRINGS OUT THE CHARACTER OF THE ERA THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.

SO, UM, I'M SORRY, ARE YOU SAYING YOU HAVE STAINED GLASS IN THIS TWO STORY BUILDING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, NO, NO SANCTUARY.

ABOUT THE SANCTUARY.

OR HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.

SO, UM, THE REASON I SAID THAT IS Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS INAPPROPRIATELY PAINTED FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW HERE THAT THIS IS THE ARCHITECT OF THE TIME.

SO YES, THE COLORS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT IT, IT'S STILL A VERY STRIKING BUILDING AND IT IS REMINISCENT.

AND THE STAINED GLASS HELPS TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW THAT AND YET FRESHEN IT UP A LITTLE.

A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE AREA THAT I'VE SEEN DO HAVE PAINTED BRICK.

AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD NO IDEA THAT WE NEEDED TO GET PERMISSION.

SO NOW WE ARE SEEKING PERMISSION TO PAINT, UM, PRETTY MUCH ALL WHITE ON THAT TWO STORY BUILDING.

UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD BE PAINTING WHAT IS CALLED DARK, DARK ORE OR THE, UH, THE DARK GRAY IS THE GUTTERS.

AND THERE IS NO TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS THAT CAN BE PAINTED.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE WANT TO PAINT THE DOWNSPOUTS, BUT THERE WOULD BE VERY LITTLE, UM, DARK GRAY.

AND TO CLARIFY THE SPACE AROUND THOSE WINDOWS, WOULD THAT BE PAINTED AS WELL? YOU CANNOT PAINT.

IT'S, IT, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD PAINT, IT'S JUST A VERY SMALL TRIM.

OH, NO, I MEANT THE BIGGER WHITE TALKING ABOUT THE STUCCO, THE STUCCO ICO, THE STUCCO, I CAN'T TELL THAT WOULD STAY THE SAME WHITE COLOR THAT WOULD BE PAINTED WHITE.

PAINTED WHITE.

SO THE ENTIRE TWO STORY BUILDING, THE WHOLE BUILDING WOULD BE WHITE.

I MEAN, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY PAINT THAT GRAY AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, THE STUCCO.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS, .

UH, BUT I, YOU KNOW, WE JUST THOUGHT FOR, I KIND OF THINK IF WE PAINTED THAT THE DARK GRAY, THAT REALLY IS BRINGING IT INTO THE MORE CURRENT PAINT TRIMS TO WHERE IF WE WENT ALL WHITE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF DARK TRIM, IT, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE QUITE SO CONTEMPORARY.

UH, SO DID, DID YOU CONSIDER AT ALL, I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE COST OF PAINTING THAT ENTIRE BUILDING VERSUS THE COST OF CONCENTRATING ON THE TAR AND THE, UH, UM, REPAIRS TO THE STUCCO REPAIRS TO THE BRICK WHERE THE BRICK IS DAMAGED, IT SEEMS LIKE A MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE APPROACH TO, UM, THE ISSUE THAT YOU POINTED OUT, UH, ON THE BUILDING ITSELF, UM, IS THERE'S NO SIGNS THAT I CAN SEE ANYWAY OF DEGRADATION OF THE, UH, BRICK.

ANY REASON, ANY REASON TO PUT PAINT ON THIS BRICK? UH, FROM A, UH, USE VIEWPOINT? IT, IT'S, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT AESTHETICS IT SEEMS, SEEMS LIKE.

SO THEN IT JUST COMES INTO, IS IT AESTHETICS? MM-HMM .

I'M GONNA LEAN TOWARDS HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.

THERE IS SOME DAMAGED BRICK.

UM, I THOUGHT YOU HAD A SHOT OF THAT.

UH, IT'S NOT A HUGE AREA, BUT IT'S AS IT HAD TO DO WITH THE ON, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THERE WAS A CLOSEUP.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, ANYWAY, IT KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT DID IT, BUT

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IT SORT OF PULLED LAYERS OF BRICK OFF IT.

NOT A WHOLE PIECE OF BRICK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENS, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE LAYERS OF BRICK CAME OFF AND IT'S, SO THE BRICK ITSELF IS DELAMINATING OR IT'S COME AWAY FROM THE YES.

IT'S, YES.

SO, UM, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO ALL THIS OTHER DAMAGE.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, LET'S MOVE TO THE SIGN THEN.

MY QUESTION AROUND THE SIGN IS MORE AROUND THE, WHAT THE PERMIT WOULD MEAN.

SO IT'S A PERMIT JUST TO HAVE THIS UP, THIS SPECIFIC SIGN UP IN NOVEMBER? IS THAT, THAT IS CORRECT IN PERPETUITY OR I JUST DUNNO HOW THE PERMIT WORKS.

IT'S, MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD HAVE, I'D HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT EACH, SO FOR TEMPORARY PERMITS ON A BUILDING, UM, SHE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY EACH TIME.

THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO FOUR PERMITS PER TEMPORARY SIGNED PERMITS PER YEAR THAT CAN STAY UP FOR 30 DAYS.

UM, OUR INTENTION THOUGH, FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, NORMALLY THIS WOULD'VE BEEN A STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL, UM, THAT, THAT WILL STAY ON FILE.

THEY WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK EACH TIME AND GET ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THIS SIGN COMPLIES WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

AND THE SIZE AND EVERYTHING.

SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR INTENTION IS.

SO IT'S JUST FOR THIS TYPE OF SIGN, IT'S SORT OF A YES, YOU CAN.

AND THEN THE, WHEN NEXT YEAR, WHEN THEY WANT PUT IT, THEY'LL HAVE TO GET A TEMPORARY SIGNED PERMIT THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY'LL HAVE THE COA AS AN EXHIBIT TO THAT APPLICATION.

OOPS.

DO, DO WE KNOW IF THE SIGN IS, UH, HAS BEEN ENGINEERED.

I MEAN, THEY'VE LOOKED AT WIND LOADING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON THOSE SUPPORT STRUCTURES.

AND, UH, IT CERTAINLY WASN'T DESIGNED TO HAVE THAT BUILDING, THAT SIGN ON THE FRONT OF IT.

SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT, UM, REVIEW I JUST REVIEWED FOR MATERIAL AND SIZE.

UM, SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE THAT SPECIFICATION WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THEY MAY HAVE COME THAT THEY HAVE TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, BUILD IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

BUT AS, AS IT STANDS NOW, IT, IT, IT'S, IT COMPLIES WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES THOUGH.

BUT THEY'LL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS NEXT YEAR WHEN THEY GET THE SIGNED PERMIT.

UH, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR WHATEVER? I DON'T KNOW IF, SO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME, SOME COMMENTS OF, UH, AND, AND MAYBE YOU CAN, UH, CLARIFY WHERE I'M, UH, IN THE ERROR HERE.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE KIND OF SAID THAT THE SANCTUARY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IS, IS A KEY BUILDING IN OUR, UM, UH, IN THE DISTRICT.

AND TO THAT END, THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING IS AS WELL.

'CAUSE THEY WERE BUILT, BUILT AT THE SAME TIME TO, UH, SERVE A PURPOSE.

THE, UM, SITE ITSELF HAS HISTORICAL, UH, SIGNIFICANCE IN THAT.

THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST, UH, BAPTIST CHURCH IN THE CITY, CITY WAS AND HAS CONTINUED TO BE A CHURCH O UH, OVER THE YEARS.

UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE ALREADY SAID IT ONCE, BUT I'LL JUST SAY IT AGAIN, IS IT SEEMS LIKE THIS, THIS REQUEST TO PAINT THE BUILDING IS STRICTLY, UH, UH, AESTHETICS.

AND, UM, OUR ROLE BASICALLY IS, UH, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

SO, UH, I CAN'T FIND MYSELF VOTING, UH, TO APPROVE A SHIFT IN, APPROVE THIS TO, TO PAINT THE BUILDING.

UM, SOME ON, ON THE SIGN.

SO THE SIGN FIRST APPEARED SOME SOMETHING LIKE 2022, AND THEN IT CAME DOWN FOR A WHILE, THEN IT, THEN IT SHOWED BACK UP AGAIN, AND NOW, AND NOW IT'S DOWN AGAIN.

UM, IN MY MIND, THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THE ARCHITECTS THAT WERE BUILDING THIS VERY IMPRESSIVE BUILDING IN, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DIDN'T FORESEE A SIGN ACROSS THE FRONT OF IT.

UM, AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, AGAIN, I WOULD SAY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AESTHETICS OR ADVERTISEMENT, ALTHOUGH I DON'T, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHERE IT'S AT, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S REALLY DRAWING A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THE, UH, TO THE CHURCH,

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UM, FOR THE MOVIES.

UM, SO AGAIN, I KIND OF LEAN TOWARDS LEAVE THE BUILDING THE WAY IT IS, BUT I WILL GRANT THAT THE TEMPORARY NATURE, UH, IS A MITIGATING, UM, CIRCUMSTANCE.

BUT I, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE, UH, THE SIGN MYSELF.

UM, I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY RESPONSE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT.

IT'S MORE OF AN OPINION, SO NO.

WE LOOK TOGETHER FOR THAT.

UM, AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE CITY.

THERE, THERE'S A COMMENT ON THE SIGN ON COLORADO THAT ACTUALLY DOESN'T COME BEFORE US.

IT, IT IS BEING, BEING HANDLED BY THE PERMIT, BUT I WASN'T CLEAR ON WHAT THAT, THAT SIGN WAS.

SO THE SIGN ON COLORADO IS JUST A SMALL PYLON SIGN THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE DIMENSIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE JUST GONNA REFACE IT.

BUT IT'S EXISTING, IT'S ON, IT'S ON LIKE THE CORNER OF, UH, SECOND AND, UM, NO, THAT, THE ONE THAT YOU CAN KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT YEAH.

RIGHT HERE.

NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S REALLY MORE TO ADVERTISE THE, UH, MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING AS YOU GO TOWARD THIRD STREET.

SO IT'S BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD ON COLORADO.

BUT THEY'LL BE GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THAT, BUT THEY'RE JUST REFACING IT, IT, THEY'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING ANYTHING FOR US TO REVIEW.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 41.

AND, UH, ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? IF I COULD MR. HAGUE? UM, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND MAKING TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.

ONE FOR THE SIGN AND THEN ONE FOR THE PAINTING OF THE BRAIN.

PERFECT.

I WAS JUST GONNA GO THERE.

SO, UH, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE PAINT.

ANY, UH, DISCUSSION OR, UM, I'M KIND OF WITH YOU.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT, THE PAINTING TO ME JUST SEEMS TOO MUCH.

UM, I'D RATHER SEE THEY DO REPAIRS AND PAINT THE STUCCO, MAYBE A NICE COAT OF WHITE, BUT FOR ALL OF THAT BUILDING, I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK NECESSARY.

IT JUST LOOKS LIKE TOO MUCH.

I WOULD ECHO THAT.

I THINK MY, MY IMMEDIATE OPINION WHEN I PICTURE THAT BUILDING ENTIRELY WHITE SAID IT LOOKS LIKE AN AMAZON WAREHOUSE.

AND I, I DON'T WANT THAT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK THAT'S A REAL SHAME.

UM, I, I I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVE.

I THINK A SORE THUMB THINK IT'S ALL WHITE.

IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A SORE THUMB.

STICK OUT.

AND ACTUALLY, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.

IF THE STUCCO WAS WHITE, IT WOULD TIE IT IN.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN COLOR RIGHT NOW.

I THINK YOU'D BE REFRESHING IT.

I THINK YOU COULD MAYBE DO THE TRIM OR THE, OR THE, THE, THE GUTTER IN THAT DARK COLOR IF YOU WANTED TO, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE, UM, A DETRIMENT.

I THINK THE BRICK WOULD MAINTAIN ITS SORT OF, WE'LL CALL IT MID-CENTURY COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOOK AND FEEL.

UM, I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT GIVEN THAT THE, THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR WAS, WAS DONE THE WAY IT WAS.

BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK YOU'D, YOU'D BE TYING THEM TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT ISN'T DETRIMENTAL.

UM, I, MY, MY, MY REACTION TO A ALL WHITE IS THE SAME AS THE SAME AS YOURS.

I THINK IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE PROMINENT AND IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

UM, AGAIN, MY OPINION TO YOU.

BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I WOULD FEEL ABOUT THAT.

AND PAINTING BRICK, ONCE YOU PAINTED IT, IT'S PAINTED.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT BACK.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT.

PAINTED BRICK IS AN HEAVY SITUATION TO BEGIN WITH.

SO HEARING THE COMMENTS AND THEN TRYING TO, UM, UH, COME UP WITH A MOTION.

UM, SO IT WOULD BE MOTION TO APPROVE THE PAINTING OF THE, UH, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WITH THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE BRICK IS LEFT UNPAINTED, UH, THE STUCCO AND GUTTERS COULD BE PAINTED, UH, IN THE PROPOSED SCHEME.

SO EFFECTIVELY THEY'RE PAINTING THE, YOU'RE APPROVING THE, THE COLORS MORE OR LESS IN THE LOCATION.

TO ALLOW THEM TO PAINT THE STUCCO THAT, THAT'S JUST ALLOWED.

DICTATING LOCATION.

SO YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION

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SO MAINTENANCE, THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK IS WHAT, UM, YEAH.

REQUIRES A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE.

GOOD QUESTION.

SO THEY CAN PAINT THE STUCCO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY WANT.

IT'S MORE LIKE MAINTENANCE.

SO THEN THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THE MOTION ASSOCIATED APPROVE THE MOTION TO APPROVE PAINTING OF THE, UM, OF THE BRICK.

AND IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THEN IT DIES AND THERE'S NO ACTION.

SO THERE'S NO APPROVAL.

SO YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION, IF NO ONE SECONDS IT, THEN THE ITEM DIES AND YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS .

I, I WOULD JUST TO CAUTION THAT, UM, THE ORDINANCE INDICATES THAT ACTION HAS TO BE TAKEN, UM, WITHIN 45 DAYS.

UM, SO IF NO SECOND CONSTITUTES NO ACTION, UM, AND IF NO ACTION IS TAKEN, THEN IT'S APPROVED.

OH, WHOOPS.

NO, WE WILL.

SO LET'S TAKE THAT INTO, SO IN THAT CASE, VOTE IN THE NEGATIVE OR IN THE POSITIVE, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER.

THANK YOU.

SO DOES SOMEONE TO INTRODUCE, I GUESS I COULD INTRODUCE THAT.

SURE.

UM, SO I HAVE, UH, MOVED TO APPROVE PAYING OF THE, UM, BRICK OF THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SECOND.

I GET A SECOND.

OH, SIR, I SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE IN, UH, OPPOSED SIGNIFY THE SAME SIGN.

A AYE.

SO THE MOTION TO, UH, PAINT THE BRICK, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE BRICK HAS FAILED.

AND THEN MOVING TO THE OTHER ITEM, WHICH IS THE, UM, THE SIGN.

UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIGN SINCE IT'S VERY TEMPORARY, AS LONG AS IT IS WELL BUILT.

YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THINGS FLYING AROUND AND BREAKING OFF AND, UM, AND I CAN'T, I HAVE TO WONDER HOW THEY'RE AFFIXING IT TO THE BUILDING.

ARE THEY DAMAGING THE BUILDING EVERY NOVEMBER BY AND FIXING IT DEPENDS ON THE ANCHORAGE, I GUESS.

IF YOU'RE DRILLING INTO THE STEEL, COULD, IS IT, IT'S BOLTS THROUGH THE, UH MM-HMM .

THROUGH THOSE, UH, PILLARS.

I GET THE THING THAT COMES TO MIND ABOUT WHERE IT IS.

IT'S KIND LIKE IN, WELL, MAYBE NOT THE MIDDLE, BUT IT'S IN, IN THERE.

IF THE WIND LOADING STARTED GETTING ON THAT, I DON'T THINK THOSE BEAMS WERE REALLY DESIGNED FOR SIDE LOADING.

UM, BUT MAYBE THAT, THAT'S GETTING, I'M NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER , BUT NO, THEY, THEY, THEY WEREN'T DESIGNED TO HAVE A SIGN ON THEM.

HOWEVER, THEY MAY BE BEEFY ENOUGH.

I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT 'EM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE IS, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY, THEY'RE PRETTY HEAVY.

UM, AND AS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THEY INTENDED FOR THERE TO BE A SIGN THERE.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE INTENT OF THE VERTICALITY WAS SORT OF TO UPLIFT, UM, SIGNIFY WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE.

UM, BUT MATERIALITY SEEMS TO BE IN LINE WITH THE, UH, THE DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

AND I THINK, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, THE, THE TEMPORARY NATURE, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE LAYING AROUND FOR RIGHT.

ONE 30 DAYS, THEREFORE, DETERIORATION IS PROBABLY NOT A PROBLEM.

JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.

SO I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT THE TEMPORARY NATURE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN APPLY FOR THAT PERMIT FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

SO COULD THERE THEORETICALLY BE THIS SIGN UP THERE FOR FOUR MONTHS IF WE APPROVE THIS? YES, THAT'S THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE.

SO IF THEY ADDED ANOTHER PROGRAM AND THEY WANTED TO ADVERTISE IT AGAIN, SO IT COULD BE UP THERE MORE THAN JUST NOVEMBER AND THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE GETTING PERMITS EVERY TIME, PAYING PERMIT FEES EVERY TIME.

I JUST THINK IT'S A SHAME.

THE FRONT OF THAT CHURCH IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND THAT KIND OF MARQUEE EFFECT.

I DON'T JUST PERSONALLY I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT IT IS JUST ONE MONTH.

I THINK STYLISTICALLY IT'S DEFINITELY, I NOT OF THE 1960S .

UH, THE TEMPORARY NE NATURE IS, IS MITIGATING.

IS THERE, IS THERE A MOTION? SO WHAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS THAT AS BASICALLY AS A GROUP, UM, WE AGREE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN WAS NOT PART OF THE BUILDING, SHOULD NOT BE UP, BE UP, BUT THAT,

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UM, SO WOULD WE WANT THE MOTION TO BE, UM, APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGN? UM, WITH THE RESTRICTION OF YEAH.

ONE, ONE PERMIT PER PER YEAR.

CAN WE DO THAT? WE CAN'T DO THAT .

I, I WOULD THINK SO.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND SO YOU CAN PUT CONDITIONS ON THOSE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST, AND I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE CHURCH AS WELL, TO HAVE IT UP FOR ONE MONTH.

SO ALONG ALONG THE SAME LINES, COULD WE ADD A, UH, RESTRICTION THAT PRIOR TO THE NEXT TIME IT GOES UP, THAT THE, UH, WIND LOADING OF THE SIGN AND IMPACT ON THE, UH, SUPPORTS? IS THAT ADDRESS BY BUILDING? YEAH, THAT BUILDING THAT'S ADDRESS BY THE BUILDING CODE.

WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT, BUT WITH A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.

WE'LL, WE'LL ENSURE THAT IT'S INSPECTED, UM, BY OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WE GET, UM, EVERYTHING PROPER WHENEVER IT GOES UP.

SO, UNLESS IT'S SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO TRY, I'M GONNA SAY , UM, A MOVE TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SIGN WITH THE, UH, RESTRICTION THAT THE SIGN IS ONLY UP ONE TIME PER YEAR.

FOR HOW LONG, CAN YOU SAY HOW LONG IT BEING TEMPORARY? IT'S LIMITED TO 30 DAYS, CORRECT DAYS.

PER THE, UM, CITY PER, UH, TEMPORARY SIGN, UH, GUIDELINES.

THAT'S YOUR MOTION? YES.

I'LL SECOND.

I VOTED THE WRONG WAY.

SO WE'RE SPLIT.

WE'RE SPLIT.

CAN I CHANGE MINE? THAT'S FINE.

OR WHY NOT? OKAY.

I'LL CHANGE.

YOU CAN HAVE AN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A REVOTE URGE THE MOTION AGAIN.

SECOND.

AGAIN, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO TAKE IT.

SORRY.

UM, SAME MOTION, RIGHT? SO SAME, SAME MOTION.

I WAS TRYING, GONNA TRY TO REPEAT IT, BUT IF I CAN JUST SAY SAME MOTION.

THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

SO THE MOTION FAILS.

ONE TO THREE ON THE SIGN.

LOCATED AT THE SITE OF THE RAILROAD YARD, LOCATED IN CURRENTLY WHERE LAKE LAKE PARK WAS.

UH, THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM

[5.A. Consider and take action on a recommendation of support that the “Railroad Bunk House” located at 610 2™ Street, be restored and preserved. (Chairman Hake)]

IS OTHER BUSINESS.

CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION OF SUPPORT THAT THE RAILROAD BUNKHOUSE LOCATED AT SIX TEN SECOND STREET BE RESTORED AND PRESERVED.

UM, THAT'S IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, I PUT THIS ON THERE.

UM, AND, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, OF BACKGROUND ON THIS, UM, UH, ONE OF THE DUTIES OF THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION IS TO, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC, UH, ACTION TO DO HISTORIC PRES, UH, PRESERVATION.

UM, I ASKED THE CITY TO PUT THIS ON THE, UH, ON THE AGENDA.

UH, WORK IS ALREADY IN PROGRESS AND THINGS SEEM TO BE MOVING.

SO MY INTENT IS NOT TO THROW ANY, UM, KINKS AND, AND MOVING THIS THING FORWARD.

BUT, UM, THE, UH, HISTORIC, UM, SOCIETY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE OWNERS, UM, SINCE AT LEAST 2021.

AND, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE BEFORE THAT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NOTHING'S REALLY HAPPENED.

THE, THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING HAS NOW, HAS NOW COLLAPSED, ET CETERA.

SO I WANTED TO BRING IT FORWARD TO THE, UM, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION TO, UH, SEE IF WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A, UH, RESOLUTION.

DO WE MAKE RESOLUTIONS OR A RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, UH, THE CITY TO, UM, SUPPORT THE, UH, UH, RESTORATION OR PRESERVATION OF, OF THIS BUILDING? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO, SO HOW DO I DO THIS IS, UM, THE, THE INFORMATION I HAVE IS COMING FROM THE LAKE CITY HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

UM, THE, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, WAS ORIGINALLY

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THAT'S WHERE THE, THE BUILDING ORIGINALLY WAS.

IT'S ONE OF THE LAST, UH, REMAINING VESTIGES OF THE RAILROAD HISTORY THAT WAS REALLY PROMINENT AT, AT THAT TIME.

THE DEPOT'S BEEN MOVED OUT, THE CABOOSE IS THERE, BUT THE CABOOSE HAS NO HISTORICAL LINK TO THE CITY.

IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A CABOOSE, A CABOOSE.

UM, AND, UH, IT'S WAS, UH, FROM THE G-N-H-G-H AND H, UM, UH, RAILROAD, UH, WHICH WAS CHARTERED IN 1853 AND CONNECTED, UH, GALVESTON WITH HOUSTON.

THERE IS SOME DEBATE THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE INTERURBAN RAIL, BUT NONETHELESS, THEY PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHERE IT, UH, WHERE IT WAS.

UM, THE STRUCTURE WAS RELOCATED TO ITS, UH, CURRENT, UH, SITE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, ONE BLOCK FROM, UH, FROM LEAGUE PARK.

UH, IT'S DETERIORATED.

IT NEEDS, UH, IMMEDIATE RESTORATION.

SO WE KNOW AT LEAST, UH, ONE FAMILY IT WAS MOVED AND ONE FAMILY LIVED IN IT.

UH, THE OWNER ACTUALLY SHOWED ME A PICTURE OF SOMEBODY GAVE HIM A PICTURE.

THIS IS MY FAMILY LIVES HERE.

UH, SO WE KNOW IT WAS A, A, A FAMILY.

IT GOT MOVED TO THE, ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND WAS A, UM, STORAGE FOR BOOKS.

UM, THAT BOOKSTORE THAT'S ON, ON MAIN STREET.

UM, THE OWNER'S FATHER, UH, WAS IN THAT BUSINESS AS WELL.

AND HE USED IT TO STORE, UM, BOOKS.

UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY THAT, THAT BERNIE ALSO HAD STUFF, STUFF STORED ON IT.

SO THE BUILDING HAS ACTUALLY KIND OF A LONG HISTORY IN LAKE CITY AND, AND IS, AND IS SIGNIFICANT.

UM, AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT IT IS, IS IT MAY NOT BE MUCH TO LOOK AT, I'LL JUST PASS THIS, PASS THIS DOWN.

BUT, UH, UH, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK THIS GOOD ANYMORE, BUT IT, IT, IT IS IN THE HISTORIC, UM, DISTRICT, UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY, AND IT WAS LISTED AS CONTRIBUTING.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, UM, SOME VALUE IN SUPPORTING THE RESTORATION OF, UH, OF THE BUILDING.

DO WE KNOW WHEN IT WAS MOVED TO ITS CURRENT LOCATION? I I MEAN, IF IT'S CONTRIBUTING, IT'S BEEN THERE LONG ENOUGH TO HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED IN ITS CURRENT SPOT, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT'S, YEAH, IT'S BEEN IN ITS CURRENT SPOT.

I, I WOULD BE GUESSING.

I DON'T KNOW.

AND WILL IT STAY THERE AFTER IT'S BEEN RESTORED OR THEIR PLANS TO MOVE IT? WELL, IT'S, IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE RUB.

SO I CAN'T SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, UH, WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE IT MOVED BACK TO CLOSER TO IT'S ORIGINALLY RIGHT.

NOT GONNA PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, OF THE PARK.

PARK.

UM, BUT TO MOVE IT BACK TO THAT AREA, RIGHT.

AND, UM, SO FINDING A LOT, ET CETERA, THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY SOMETHING THE CITY COULD CONSIDER IS, UH, PUTTING IT ON CITY PROPERTY.

UM, SO THIS SUPPORT YEAH.

DEFINE IT IS JUST VERBAL OR MM-HMM.

OR MONETARY OR .

WHAT ARE WE TALKING? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THIS BUILDING SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED.

WE THINK THAT THIS, AND THEY'LL PROBABLY, THEY'LL PROBABLY GO WHOOPEE.

FROM THE HISTORIC SOCIETY? YOU CAN JUST SAY, WE WANT TO ADD OR JOIN OUR SUPPORT WITH THE SUPPORT FROM THE HISTORIC SOCIETY.

UH, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THE HISTORIC SOCIETY IN FRONT OF 'EM AND, AND I'M SURE THE OWNERS HAVE, HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF 'EM AS WELL, BUT I STILL THINK IT'S ONE OF OUR DUTIES.

SO BY RECOMMENDING SUPPORT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE CITY PAY FOR THE RESTORATION? UM, DO THE WORK? HOW, HOW, HOW FAR ALONG ARE WE? I AM LIMITING US TO, UM, WHAT THE, UM, UH, SAID IS RECOMMEND PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ACTION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

SO I'M RECOMMENDING, UM, THAT THE CITY, ALONG WITH THE PRIVATE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN SOCIETY INVOLVED, UM, UH, TAKE ACTION TO PRESERVE THIS.

MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE WROTE THAT OUT.

DID IT.

YOU MEAN ULTIMATELY IT'S, WE'RE JUST LITERALLY THROWING OUR SUPPORT BEHIND IT, RIGHT.

AND BRINGING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION, KEEPING IT IN FRONT OF THEM.

WE THINK IT'S A VALUABLE MM-HMM .

ABSOLUTELY.

SO, SO MICHELLE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO IF IT'S GOING TO MIRROR THE RECOMMENDATION

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AND THEN IN THAT CASE, IF THEY ALREADY WROTE A LETTER IN SUPPORT, UM, STAFF, WHAT THEY CAN DO IS CERTAINLY FORWARD THAT TO PROBABLY THE CITY MANAGER WHO THEN AT SOME POINT, WHEN APPROPRIATE, FORWARD IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS CONVEYED.

AND I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY DO IS INCLUDE A COPY OF THE MINUTES AND JUST LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, LAST NIGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THREW THEIR SUPPORT BEHIND THE ATTACHED LETTER FORWARDED TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW.

AND THEN I'M SURE THEY'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE DO.

WE NEED A MOTION AND A VOTE TO DO THAT, OR I WOULD DO THAT, YES.

BECAUSE IT'S POSTED AS AN ACTION.

AND PLUS IF YOU WANT A CONSENSUS, I THINK COUNCIL WILL BE LOOKING FOR THAT.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY SUPPORT PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ACTION TO PRESERVE AND RESTORE THE, UM, UM, BUNKHOUSE.

THOSE, DO I, DO I HAVE A SECOND? YES, A SECOND.

HAVING A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

THOSE OPPOSED? YEAH.

AYE, THOSE OPPOSED? SAME, SAME SIGN.

HEARING NONE THAT, THAT PASSES FOUR.

NOTHING.

AND I THINK WE CAN GET, CAN WE ADD THAT THE, UM, PRO TIM, WHAT'S YOUR TITLE? EX I WAS, I WAS GOING TO USE MY, UH, MY COMMENTS AT THE END.

UH, TO JUST PUT IT ON THE RECORD, BUT OKAY.

I'LL DO IT HERE.

ANY UM, COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, ONE MORE ITEM.

UH,

[5.B. Consider and take action on the Historic Commission meeting dates for 2025.]

GONNA DO THE CALENDAR.

OH YEAH, WE DO, WE DO, WE HAVE THE CALENDAR.

WHY AM I NOT SEEING IT? OTHER BUSINESS, THE DATE IS THE SAME DAY OF THE MONTH THAT IT, I MEAN THAT IT ALWAYS IS, RIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING CHANGED.

WE'RE NOT MEETING MORE OR LESS FREQUENTLY, SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

MORE OF THE SAME.

I WE ACCEPT IT AS IT IS.

I SECOND.

SO HEARING APPROVAL OF THE, UH, CALENDAR, THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THE, UM, STAFF, OH, SORRY.

THOSE OPPOSED.

SAME SIGN.

AND SO WE ACCEPT THE PROPOSED 2025 CALENDAR.

WHAT, UH, DOES

[6. Commissioners Comments]

UH, COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS START WITH ME.

UH, I WILL, UH, JUST MENTION THAT, UH, I'D SUPPORT THE, THE DISTRICT'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE, UH, BUNKHOUSE.

I THINK THAT'S ANY CHANCE WE HAVE TO PRESERVE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS TOWN'S HISTORY IS, IS A GOOD THING.

SO, UM, I'LL SAY THAT AND THEN I'LL ALSO SAY, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, .

HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

AND I SHOULD HAVE ASKED IT EARLIER.

IS IT SAVEABLE? I MEAN, YOU SAID THE ROOF WAS, HAD COLLAPSED.

I MEAN, THEY, THEY CAN, UH, TAKE THE WOOD AND RECOVER IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE, UH, ES AND STUFF THAT, THAT WAS GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN.

WE HAVE UPDATED THE PLANNING PAGE AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PAGES.

I SHOULD ASKED THAT EARLIER.

BUT YEAH, WISH EVERYONE OF MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY A YEAR AND HAPPY HANUKKAH.

UH, NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN MERRY CHRISTMAS.

NO COMMENTS FROM ME.

NOR NOR, NOR DO I STAFF

[7. Staff Comments]

COMMENTS? I DO.

I GUESS I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING, UM, THANK YOU TO RICK PEARSON AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER JOINING US SOON.

SO, UM, I HAVE, UH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UM, AND PLANNING LATELY WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, IN AN EFFORT TO IMPROVE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE,

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SO WE'VE, UM, UPDATED THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY PAGE.

UM, IT HADN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2017, I THINK.

SO, AND I ADDED THE LINKS TO ALL OF THE SURVEY DOCUMENTS.

HAVE YOU SEEN THEM? I SAW THAT.