* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS] [00:00:06] LEAGUE CITY WILL NOW COME TO ORDER IN A WORK SESSION ON FIVE O'CLOCK AT OCTOBER 22ND, 2024. ROLL CALL. ANDY BAND. TOM MCCOMBS. HERE. TOM CRUISE. COURTNEY CHADWELL. HERE. JUSTIN HICKS. CHAD TRESSLER. HERE. SEAN SAUNDERS HERE. ALRIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENTS? NONE. THERE ARE NONE. [3. PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE RELATED TO ALLOWABLE USES] PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE RELATED TO ALLOWABLE USES. THANK YOU SIR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND SO AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE USE CHART THAT WAS PROPOSED. SO HERE WE ARE TODAY. UM, HOW WE GOT HERE. THIS IS A RESULT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STRATEGIC PLAN AND, UM, THE LISTENING THAT WE DID TO BOTH OUR CUSTOMERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND, UM, ANYONE ELSE WHO HAD AN INTERACTION WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, A RESULT OF THAT WAS STRATEGIC INITIATIVES THAT WE CAME UP. ONE OF THOSE INITIATIVES WAS THAT WE SHOULD REVIEW OUR LAND USE CATEGORIES WITH COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH Y'ALL'S VISION OF THE CITY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OVERARCHING GOAL HERE IS TO TRY TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR MORE LAND USES TO OPERATE IN LAKE CITY. MAKE IT EASIER FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO COME HERE TO LAKE CITY, REMOVE RED TAPE, UM, AND ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT HERE WITH THE CITY. SO TODAY I'M GONNA GO OVER FIVE SLIDES WITH YOU. BASICALLY, UM, WE'RE THE LAND USES ARE SEPARATED BY THEIR TYPE OF USE. UM, YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC USES, YOUR COMMERCIAL USES, YOUR INDUSTRIAL USES, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA LOOK AT SOME USES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR SUVS. UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE. UM, IF YOU WANNA STOP ME, UM, FEEL FREE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, FEEL FREE TO ASK AS WE GO THROUGH THEM. UM, SO THE FIRST CATEGORY OF USES WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE OUR PUBLIC AND SEMI-PUBLIC USES. UM, THESE ARE RELATIVELY MINOR CHANGES, UM, BUT CLUBS AND LODGES, THIS WOULD BE LIKE YOUR MASONIC LODGE TYPE USE. UM, WE ARE CHANGING THAT FROM NOT ALLOWED TO PERMITTED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL AREA. UM, I'M SURE AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THERE IS A MASONIC LODGE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OF THE HISTORIC AREA, SO MAKES SENSE. UM, CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS, THIS WOULD BE MUSEUMS. UM, WE'RE ALSO CHANGING THAT TO PERMITTED IN THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT. OLD TOWN IS KIND OF AN AREA THAT SURROUNDS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ALONG MAIN STREET. UM, DAYCARES WE CHANGED THAT TO FROM NOT PERMITTED TO PERMITTED IN THE OLD TOWN, OLD TOWN TRANSITION, COMMERCIAL REVITALIZATION CORRIDOR AND HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, COMMERCIAL AREA. AND, UM, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE DISTRICTS OR KIND OF WHAT THEY ARE, WHERE THEY'RE AT, UM, I CAN ALSO EXPLAIN THAT AS WELL. UM, BUT THE CRC IS ALONG MAIN STREET FROM 45 TO TEXAS. BASICALLY EVENT VENUES CHANGING THAT TO PERMITTED AN OLD TOWN AND HOSPITALS PERMITTING THOSE IN, UH, LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. SO, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK. YES, SIR. UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY EVENT VENUES. UH, AND SO THE REAL ONES THAT WHEN I KIND OF LOOKED AT THIS WHOLE LIST IN GENERAL, THAT, THAT I SAW THAT FEEL A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC. THERE WAS THINGS THAT HAD SAID LIKE, LIVE MUSIC OUTSIDE AND EVENT VENUES AND THINGS LIKE THIS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS STUFF WE'VE ALREADY HAD PROBLEMS WITH, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND I MEAN, I THINK THEY COULD BE TOTALLY APPROPRIATE IN THE RIGHT SPOT, BUT IT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS, JUST COMPLETELY PERMITTING IT AND, AND DOING, UH, WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK OR WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CHECK ON THAT. GREAT. SO THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW, EVENT VENUES DO REQUIRE AN SUP IN THE OLD TOWN, SO WE CAN SCRATCH THAT IF THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNSEL AND JUST LEAVE IT AS SUP. I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. I THINK, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD PERFECT. WE'LL LEAVE IT AS IS. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SLIDE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? JUST, UH, CURIOSITY, THE, THE RATIONALE BEHIND TAKING AWAY THE SUP WAS KIND OF TO, TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS ON THIS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. AN SUV'S TYPICALLY A FOUR MONTH PROCESS, UM, PROBABLY AVERAGE. AND SO IT REQUIRES HEARING BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PUBLIC NOTICE. CITY COUNCIL, UM, HAS THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY WITH A PERMITTED USE. IT'S JUST ALLOWED. AND SO IT DIDN'T, CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING MAYBE IN BETWEEN? UM, FOR, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S PURELY A JUDGMENT CALL, LIKE WHETHER THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR, UH, FOR A UH, UH, SAY A LIVE MUSIC VENUE, UM, WHERE IT JUST COMES TO COUNCIL, [00:05:01] IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER DEFINING? IT'S AMEND UC PROCEDURAL CODE, BUT WE COULD LOOK INTO WHAT WE'RE CERTAIN YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE CERTAINLY IN, IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS TO CREATE SOMETHING. BUT, UM, ANOTHER OPTION FOR THIS, UM, WITHOUT IT GOING TO COUNCIL, WOULD BE TO ESTABLISH A MINIMUM REGULATIONS IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW AS AN OPTION. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PERMITTING THEM IN OLD TOWN. THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING. THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE PROPOSED IN THIS LAND USE CHART. BUT GENERALLY FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A A USE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IT DOES HAVE TO GO TO P AND Z. IF IT'S A ZONING CHANGE, WHICH THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE CONSIDERED A ZONING CHANGE, STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT. UM, PLANNING AND ZONING HERE. CAN WE LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF A VENT VENUE MORE SPECIFICALLY? AGAIN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ IT TO YOU? YEAH, PLEASE. SURE. THE ONLY ONE YOU I IN THIS LIST, I MEAN ON THIS LIST. YEAH. I MEAN THE REALLY, THE ONLY THINGS THAT I HAD HEARTBURN ON THE ENTIRE LIST, IT WAS MOSTLY DUE TO AMPLIFIED MUSIC. AND, AND THEN I PROBABLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE MASSAGE PARLORS A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT EASIER, BUT, UH, PARTICULARLY THE AMPLIFIED MUSIC IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT? WE'VE JUST ALREADY BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD. YEAH. AND IT DOES, DOES EVENT VENUE ALLOW OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC? SO IT IT COULD, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO OUR NOISE ORDINANCE REGARDLESS. UM, BECAUSE YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ISSUE WE RAN INTO. SO I'M WONDERING IF WE SPLIT EVENT VENUE INTO MAYBE TWO CATEGORIES. ONE THAT'S LIKE A INDOOR EVENT VENUE AS OPPOSED OR, OR JUST EVENT VENUE WITH NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC SEPARATE FROM ONE WITH IT. UM, THAT WAY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING THAT ROUTE, THEN THEY CAN HAVE THE FASTER PROCESS AND YET WE CAN RETAIN REVIEW OF WHETHER IT'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THAT AND THAT WOULD AVOID THE ISSUE THEN THAT WE HAD, UM, WHILE TRYING TO HELP OTHER BUSINESSES. SO WOULD THIS BE LIKE AN INDOOR VERSUS OUTDOOR? YEAH. OR JUST THAT'S WHAT I THINK. YEAH, I JUST THING IS OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED MUSIC THAT CAUSES THE ISSUE. SURE. OKAY. WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY SPLIT THAT USE INTO TWO. THAT'S NO ISSUE. OKAY. DID WE TALK ABOUT OIL FULL RIGS? YOU CAN ONLY BUILD THEM WITHIN 500 FEET OF HANDYMAN'S HOUSE. BE THE AM DISTRICT. IT'S KIND OF A ONLY AVAILABLE THE YEAH, WE HAVE NOT, WE HAVE THE FIRST SLIDE AND SO I CAN CONTINUE GOING THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE IF Y'ALL LIKE. UM, NEXT SET IS COMMERCIAL USES, UM, ANIMAL SALES AND SERVICE. AND THIS IS LIKE A DOG GROOMING PLACE WHERE THERE'S NO OUTDOOR RUNS, NO OUTDOOR KENNELS. UM, WE'RE CHANGING THAT TO BE PERMITTED IN THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND AS WELL AS THE CRC DISTRICT. I THINK Y'ALL MAY REMEMBER A SUP THAT CAME BEFORE YOU, UM, FOR A DOG GROOMING PLACE NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND IT WAS JUST A BIG HOLDUP FOR THOSE FOLKS. UM, CAR WASHES, UM, WE'RE CHANGING THAT FROM AN SUP AND CG AND CM, UM, TO PERMITTED BY RIGHT BANKS WERE PERMITTING THOSE IN THE LIMITED AND INDUSTRIAL OLD TOWN, OLD TOWN TRANSITION AND HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UM, CATERING BUSINESSES, CHANGING THOSE TO PERMITTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, THEN WE GET INTO OUR RESTAURANT CATEGORIES. WE HAVE OUR FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS, WHICH ARE JUST SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS. UM, THAT'S, WE'RE PERMITTING THOSE IN THE C-O-C-R-C AND HDC DISTRICTS. LIMITED SERVICE RESTAURANTS. THESE ARE WHERE YOU GO UP AND ORDER AT A COUNTER AND THEN GO SIT DOWN AND EAT OR LEAVE. UM, RENTING THOSE IN THE CO AND, UM, ARE THESE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS? SO IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE YES. WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH. SO THE DRIVE THROUGH IS DIFFERENT IF IT HAS A DRIVE THROUGH, IT'S A IT'S A SEPARATE USE. YES. YEAH. SO, UM, I KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE DURS RESTAURANT, THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU GO ORDER FROM THE COUNTER AND THEN POTENTIALLY SIT DOWN. NEVER HEARD OF THAT. UM, RESTAURANTS WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, UM, THIS, THIS POTENTIALLY COULD BE, UM, INDOOR OR OUTDOOR. UM, AND WE'RE CHANGING THAT TO PERMITTED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND RESTAURANTS WITH OUTDOOR SEATING. UM, PERMITTING THOSE IN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OR HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. I FEEL LIKE THE RESTAURANTS WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT NEEDS TO BE SPLIT. MUCH LIKE THE EVENT MENUS YEAH. INTO INDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT VERSUS OUTDOOR AND ALSO THE OUTDOOR SEATING. RIGHT. THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHATEVER RUSTICA WITH FOUR BISTRO TABLES OUTSIDE AND KING'S BEER GARDEN. YEAH. AND A KING'S BEER GARDEN WHERE [00:10:01] IT'S, YOU KNOW, 200 PEOPLE SITTING OUTSIDE WITH, WITH TVS OR WHATEVER. SO HAVING LIKE A LIMITATION ON HAVE THAT LIMITED BY AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. I MEAN FOR ME IT'S JUST THE, JUST THE NOISE. RIGHT. IF IT'S WELL THAT YEAH. I MEAN PEOPLE COULD BE A WAY OF DOING THAT. SURE. SO, SO NICK, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS RESTAURANTS WITH OUTDOOR SEATING STILL REQUIRING SUP. YEAH. UNLESS WE HAD SOME WAY OF, I MEAN IF IT'S LIKE SPLIT IT BY NUMBERS, SOME HOUSE OR SOMETHING. YEAH. SO THE ONLY ONES WE'RE PROPOSING NOW TO CHANGE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT DISTRICTS, WHICH CURRENTLY REQUIRE AN SUP. SO WE COULD JUST KEEP THAT AS IT IS. IF THEY HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING, THEY HAVE TO GET AN SUP AND THEN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMERCIAL, IT'S CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED. UM, SO WE COULD ALSO CHANGE THAT TO ALLOW IT WITH AN SUP. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO LIKE, LIKE BUTLER'S COURTYARD, IS THAT AN EVENT VENUE OR IS THAT A RESTAURANT BUTLER'S COURT OR IS THAT ALL OF THE ? THAT WOULD BE AN, THAT WOULD BE AN EVENT VENUE. YES SIR. UH, ALSO WHAT'S THE PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ON CAR WASHES? AND SO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS REQUIRE SUVS IN BOTH THE CG AND CM DISTRICT FOR A STANDALONE CAR WASH, LIKE YOUR SPOUT OR JJS. I WANT TO KEEP THAT. KEEP THE SUP, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN. I AGREE. OKAY. WE CAN SCRATCH THAT ONE. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SLIDE? CAN I ASK WHAT THE RATIONALE IS ON THE, THE CAR WASH? YEAH, JUST, JUST IN GENERAL. I DON'T THINK CAR WASHES ARE APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE. AND THEY HAVE A TENDENCY, I MEAN, THEY KIND OF, THE ENTIRE CAR WASH BUSINESSES, RIGHT? LIKE YOU COME IN AS A DEVELOPER, YOU DEVELOP THE CAR WASH, YOU SELL IT OUT TO A REIT, THE REIT RUNS THE ASSET AS IT DEPRECIATES RAPIDLY, AND THEN IT JUST KIND OF FALLS INTO REPAIR DISREPAIR. THEN THE REIT SELLS IT TO A, TO A LOWER END CAR WASH THING. THEY KEEP REBRANDING THEM AND RUNNING THEM DOWN AS THEY GO, AS KIND OF JUST A PURE ASSET PLAY. I JUST DON'T THINK THEY REALLY ADD, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINE SOME PLACES, BUT I THINK GENERALLY THESE AUTOMATED CAR WASHES JUST DON'T ADD A LOT OF VALUE, UH, EVERYWHERE THESE DISTRICTS. AND IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, IF NEIGHBOR WOULD THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY WANT TO PIPE IN ON THIS? WELL THAT'S ONE OF 'EM. PRIME EXAMPLE IS RIGHT THERE ON FIVE 17, THEY BUILT THAT HUGE CAR WASH RIGHT THERE WRAPPED BEHIND SOMEBODY'S WOODEN FENCE. WELL SEE. AND THE NOISE. THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHAT THE REASONING IS. 'CAUSE I DISAGREE WITH YOUR REASONING. OF COURSE. OF COURSE YOU DID. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE, THEN THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS WE NEED TO ADD TO REQUIRE AN SUVS. MATTRESS SHOPS, NAIL SALONS, BUT YEAH, LIKE A MATTRESS SHOP AND NAIL SALON DON'T CREATE LIKE NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES AT THE SAME LEVEL AS A CAR WASH. BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UH, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE AREN'T PURPOSE BUILT BUILDINGS THAT THAT CAN'T BE TURNED INTO SOMETHING ELSE LATER, CONVERTED LATER. WHEREAS A CAR WASH REALLY CAN'T BE CONVERTED WITHOUT KNOCK THE WHOLE THING DOWN. YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT A NAIL SALON IN A CAR WASH. SO THAT'D BE INTERESTING. SOUNDS INNOVATIVE THOUGH. THAT'D BE INTERESTING. THAT'S ANOTHER WHERE YOU GET THE CAR WASH. SO AM I HEARING CONSENSUS OF KEEP THOSE SUVS? I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE SUVS ON CAR WASH. ME TOO. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SLIDE? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON. UM, NEXT FOOD AND BEVERAGE SKI SALES. UM, PERMITTING THIS IN THE CO DISTRICT, THIS OFFICE DISTRICT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS? SURE. SO IT CAN BE, UM, ANYTHING FROM AN HEB TO A CORNER STORE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A GAS STATION THAT MAY SELL FOOD AND BEVERAGES. THAT'S A PRETTY, UH, BROAD, IT'S A PRETTY BROAD DEAL THERE. YEAH. IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T DELINEATE BETWEEN THE SMALLER AND THE LARGER. SO, UM, HOTELS, PERMITTING THOSE IN THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. UM, COMMERCIAL LABORATORY PERMITTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL OLD TOWN, HISTORIC DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL, UM, MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE OLD TOWN AND HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMERCIAL. AND OF COURSE THESE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE LICENSED, UM, TO GET A PERMIT. MICRO BREWERIES, UM, PERMITTING THOSE IN THE CRC, THAT'S A LITTLE MAIN STREET DISTRICT, UM, PARKING FACILITIES IN THE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL. AND THEN HISTORIC DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL PERSONAL INSTRUCTIONAL SERVICES. THIS WILL BE LIKE A YOGA STUDIO, UM, PERMITTING THAT IN THE OFFICE DISTRICT. PERSONAL SERVICES, THIS COULD BE A NAIL SALON OR A HAIR SALON. UM, PERMITTING THAT IN THE OFFICE DISTRICT AS WELL, AS WELL AS RETAIL SALES IN THE OFFICE DISTRICT. I DON'T WANT TO REMOVE IT ON MASSAGE [00:15:01] PARLORS. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I'M SORRY. THE MASSAGE ONE. I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA REMOVE IT. I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT ANY EASIER TO PUT THESE UP IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO KEEP IT JUST AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM. , UM, SUP AND OLD TOWN AND NOT ALLOWED IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. YES. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL LABORATORY, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? LIKE QUEST LABS OR IS THIS LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL LABORATORY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT EXACTLY? IT WOULD BE LIKE A QUEST STRANGER THING. , I DON'T WATCH TV. I'M NOT REALLY SURE, BUT IT WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD LIKE PROCESS DRUG TESTS, STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, IT'S NOT WHERE THEY'RE BREWING CHEMICALS FOR THE REFINERIES LAB NOW TAKE PLACE THAT THEY HAVE OVER THERE WHILE WALMART. WHAT'S THAT? ANY LAB NOW? SURE. YEAH. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND GET ANY BLOOD TESTS YOU WANT RAN. CORRECT. EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT. IF NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR INDUSTRIAL AND UTILITY USES. UM, SO WE'VE GOT FOUR CATEGORIES HERE. THE FIRST IS ARTISAN PRODUCTION INDUSTRY. AND THIS IS GENERALLY PEOPLE BUILDING STUFF BY HAND. SO IT COULD BE LIKE A LEATHER WORKER, UM, WHO'S MAKING LEATHER GOODS. UM, AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT BE PERMITTED IN THE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. UM, WE HAVE LIMITED PRODUCTION INDUSTRY AND THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE ASSEMBLING THINGS FROM ALREADY PRE-MANUFACTURED PARTS. SO IT COULD BE, IT'S NOT WHERE YOU'RE CREATING RAW MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE A GENERAL PRODUCTION USE. SO THE EXAMPLE COULD BE A SCREEN PRINTING SHIRT PLACE RATHER THAN A COTTON MILL THAT'S CREATING THE COTTON FOR THE SHIRTS. UM, AND SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THOSE BE ALLOWED IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF USES THAT ARE PROBABLY APPROPRIATE IN SOME OF THESE OFFICE WAREHOUSE TYPE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BUILT IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UM, THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY PERMITTED BECAUSE THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS A LIMITED INDUSTRIAL USE. AND SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GO BY RIGHT. UM, RATHER THAN SUP INTO THOSE OFFICE WAREHOUSE TYPE FACILITIES. SO WOULD A UH, WOULD A FAB SHOP THAT SPECIALIZES IN METAL ARC FALL UNDER THE ART PRODUCTION DISTRICT? IT COULD, YEAH. WITH GRINDERS AS WELL. HONESTLY, IF IT, IF IT HAD THE FABRICATION INVOLVED IN IT, I'D PROBABLY CLASSIFY IT AS A LIMITED INDUSTRIAL USE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, A LEATHER WORKING SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHAT DID THE WOODWORKER CALL? WASN'T THAT WHAT HE WAS DOING? SO THE, THE WOODWORKER WOULD KIND OF DEPEND THERE TOO IS THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT I MEAN, IF A WOODWORKER MAKING ART PROBABLY IN THE ARTISAN PRODUCTION, A WOODWORKER CONSTRUCTING FURNITURE, UM, PROBABLY MORE IN THE LIMITED PRODUCTION INDUSTRY. YEAH. BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE. UM, NEXT USE IS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. UM, THIS ONE IS PERMITTED IN CGCO AND CM DISTRICTS. AND THEN, UM, THE, SO I MEAN THAT ONE IS, IT SEEMS THAT'S ANOTHER REALLY BROAD ONE, RIGHT? LIKE YOU COULD BE DOING ALL KINDS OF STUFF IN RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. HOW DO WE, I MEAN, I CAN READ YOU THE DEFINITION. UM, SO IT IS ESTABLISHMENTS ENGAGED IN THE RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT AND CONTROLLED PRODUCTION OF HIGH TECHNOLOGY, ELECTRONIC, INDUSTRIAL OR SCIENTIFIC PRODUCTS OR COMMODITIES FOR SALE. IT INCLUDES BIO TECHNICAL FIRMS AND MANUFACTURERS OF NON-TOXIC COMPUTER COMPONENTS. C COULDN'T BE DOING RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ON CHEMICALS. YOU POTENTIALLY COULD BE. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A CHEMICAL PLANT, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE MANUFACTURING CHEMICALS RATHER THAN THE R AND D SIDE OF THE, THE CHEMICALS. BUT YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE DOING WORK WITH CHEMICALS. SPECIAL USE I WOULD SAY ON THAT. YEAH. I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, IT'S PRETTY BROAD YEAH. IN WHAT YOU COULD BE DOING. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S AN SUP IN THOSE THREE DISTRICTS. SO WE COULD LEAVE THAT AS IS. I THINK SO. OKAY. AND THE LAST ONE. UM, OIL AND GAS WELL DRILLING. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR STANDARD PRACTICE HAS BEEN, UM, OVER THE, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION IS WE'RE NOT REQUIRING SUVS FOR THESE, THE, THE SUVS ARE REQUIRED IN THE USE CHART, BUT BASED ON HOUSE BILL 40 AND OUR LIMITATIONS OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH OIL AND GAS, WE CANNOT REQUIRE AN SUP. AND THAT WAS OUR, UM, ADVICE FROM OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT WHEN WE STARTED BRINGING THESE FORWARD. AND I DON'T CARE, PUT AN SUP ON THERE AND I JUST WANT CITIZENS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THEIR MIND ABOUT IT. AND IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY, THEN IT, WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THING GOES IN AND EVERYONE STARTS SCREAMING AND WE, WE DO THAT. WE DOES [00:20:01] HOUSE BILL 40 PREVENT US, I DON'T KNOW, HOUSE BILL 40, I'M SORRY FROM IGNORANCE, BUT DOES IT PREVENT US FROM EVEN DOING THAT? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT TOOK A LOT OF OUR CONTROL AND ABILITIES AWAY. WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE EXPOSING OURSELVES TO SOME RISK IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE AN SUP PROCESS. BECAUSE UNDER HOUSE BILL 40, THE WAY IT'S BEEN INTERPRETED AND AND GENERALLY PANNED BY LEGAL EXPERTS IS THAT WE LACK THE AUTHORITY TO DENY IT. SO PERHAPS WE COULD DO SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST PERHAPS CAN WE DO A PUBLIC HEARING? THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO REQUIRE. LIKE A, WE CAN LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE WHERE WE CAN MAYBE REQUIRE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC NOTICE OR PUBLIC HEARING WITHOUT ACTION. HAVE WE BEEN DOING THIS? WE HAVE THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE NOT BEEN REQUIRING SUVS FOR ANY OIL AND GAS DRILLING. THEN HOW ARE THEY COMING? THERE WAS ONE THAT CAME BEFORE US. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE PERMITTED BY Y'ALL. UM, AND, AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO GET VARIANCES FROM THE CODE AND THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL ACTION. SO THEY'RE COMING TO COUNCIL, SOME, THEY'RE COMING TO COUNCIL FOR VARIANCE. THEY ARE, THEY'RE COMING TO COUNCIL FOR THE PERMIT AND FOR VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PERMIT. SO YOU WILL STILL SEE THEM, THEY WILL STILL BE HEARD IN A PUBLIC SETTING. IT'S JUST DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH IT HAS NOT BEEN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NO, STILL BUT OKAY. . 'CAUSE THEY BUILT THAT ONE ON CALL DOWN THERE ON CALL. YEAH, I THINK AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS PUBLIC'S GONNA BE NOTIFIED AND IT'S GONNA COME TO COUNCIL. BUT IF IT HASN'T BEEN DOING IT, THEN WHAT'S IT DOING ON THE LIST OF THINGS TO CHANGE? AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE CLEANING UP THIS LIST. HUH? YOU NEVER CHANGED IT, YOU NEVER CHANGED THE LIST. CORRECT. YOU JUST, YEAH. WHEN WE CONFERRED WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WHEN THESE STARTED COMING IN, IT WAS INDICATED THAT, UH, WE COULD NOT REQUIRE THEM TO GO THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PAGE? ALL RIGHT. SO THIS LAST PAGE ARE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED IN THESE ZONING DISTRICTS. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE ALLOWED WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS A DWELLING UNIT WITH ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF ABOVE OR ABOVE IN THE CRC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMERCIAL. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ALLOWING IT. THIS IS ONLY ALLOWING IT IF Y'ALL APPROVE IT. AND SO WE FEEL THAT IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE IN OLD DOWNTOWNS WHERE YOU HAVE A SHOP ON THE BOTTOM, APARTMENT UP TOP. BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL. UM, EVENT VENUE, UM, THIS WOULD BE AN SUP IN THE OLD TOWN TRANSITION DISTRICT. UM, CAR WASH, SUP BEING REQUIRED IN THE CO AND CN DISTRICTS RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. UM, THIS IS THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, OBVIOUSLY I'M AN SUP REQUIRED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, MICRO BREWERIES, SUP IN THE OLD TOWN TRANSITION NURSERIES AND GARDEN SUPPLY STORES, SUP AND OLD TOWN. OLD TOWN TRANSITION, CRC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMERCIAL PARKING FACILITIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. RESIDENTIAL WHOLESALE NURSERIES IN THE CG DISTRICT. WAREHOUSING WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE IN THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. COMMUNICATION TOWERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND VAPORIZER STORES. UM, SUVS REQUIRED IN THE MIXED USE AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT ON VAPE STORES RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW THEY'RE CONSIDERED A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT. SO WE WOULD BE ESTABLISHING A USE, UM, DEFINING THOSE VAPORIZER STORES AND THEN, UM, ALLOWING THEM WITHIN, CAN YOU SEE THE DEFINITION OF VAPORIZER STORE? UM, I DON'T HAVE IT HERE TONIGHT. UM, I WAS WORKING WITH LEGAL TO FINALIZE THAT, UM, FOR, SO WHEN WE BRING FORWARD THE ORDINANCE, UM, WE WILL HAVE THAT FINALIZED AND UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE RATIONALE FOR MAKING THEM A SPECIAL CATEGORY FROM THE FOLKS WHO PROPOSED IT. YOU SECONDED FOR WHAT? I BELIEVE YOU SECONDED. I'LL GIVE MY REASONING FOR IT. I'LL GIVE MY REASONING FOR IT. UH, I HEARD, HEARD IT FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE. UM, AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN A PROLIFERATION OF THEM AND I THINK GENERALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A ISSUE WITH THEM JUST AS NOT BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY, KIND OF VICE DRIVEN BUSINESS, SIMILAR TO A LIQUOR STORE. UH, AND I DON'T THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A ONE ON EVERY CORNER. THE, THE REASON I ASK IF WE'RE GOING WITH THE VICE AS A, A RATIONALE, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE, UH, CIGAR STORES, UM, CBD SHOPS, UM, IN THE SAME CATEGORY. STORES. C TOBACCO YEAH. STORES. SURE, SURE. GOOD IDEA. SO THEN WE WOULD CRAFT THE, USES ALL TOBACCO RELATED SALES. WELL, 'CAUSE THEY, YOU COULD SAY SOMETHING NICOTINE RELATED. THERE'S NICOTINE THAT'S COMING IN. THERE'S ONE CBD HAS NO NICOTINE OR TOBACCO. UM, [00:25:01] AND SOME OF THE VAPORIZER THINGS HAVE NO NICOTINE OR TOBACCO AS WELL. SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD PROBABLY DO HEMP RELATED TYPE PRODUCTS. SHE'S GOT IT. WE, I, I WOULD LET THE LAWYER TRY TO WRITE THE LEGAL, I THINK, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE GIST OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. WE'LL TRY TO CRAFT SOMETHING THAT'S COMPREHENSIVE WITH WHAT YOU'RE OUTLINED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY MAYBE YOU CALL IT A VICE CATEGORY JUST SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE WHY WE'RE GROUPING THEM. BECAUSE I SEE THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU TONIGHT. UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, OR CHANGES YOU WANNA SEE ON THE USE CHART. TAKE IT. LOOKS GOOD. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT. SO AT 5 26 THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.