* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] SO [1. Call to order and roll call of members] IT'S, UH, SIX O'CLOCK. SO I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, UH, MEETING TO ORDER AND, UH, START WITH A ROLL CALL OF, UH, MEMBERS. DAVE HA. PRESENT. KELLY GREEN. PRESENT. RICK PEARSON. PRESENT. SUSAN PIERCE, PRESENT. SUSAN MEYER PRESENT. AND MIKE O HENDERSHOT SHOT, PRESENT. SORRY, I'VE TAKEN TO CALL ON YOU MIKE TODAY FOR THAT'S ALL RIGHT. MOST PEOPLE DO. . [2. Approval of June 20, 2024, minutes] UH, THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 20TH ME MEETING MINUTES. UM, I WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING. NO, YOU WEREN'T. I WAS IN KANSAS. I'M SORRY, . I HAD TO DO IT AND IT WAS AWKWARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE? YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. DO WE NEED TIME? HAS ANYBODY READ THEM? I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I MOVED THAT WE ACCEPT THEM AS WRITTEN. OKAY. AND I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. HAVING A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS WRITTEN AND HAVING A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN, IN FAVOR, UH, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS WRITTEN. UM, THE NEXT, UH, AGENDA ITEM IS, UH, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE THE, UM, COMMISSION, UH, OTHER THAN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TOPICS, UM, ARE WELCOME TO AT THIS TIME. OKAY. [4.A. Hold a public hearing and take action on a Certificate of Appropriateness, HC-24-0014, a request to construct an attached garage with a carport to an existing single-family dwelling, located on the northeast side of Colorado Avenue, between 3rd and 4th Streets, with the address of 318 Colorado Avenue.] MOVING TO THE, UM, FOURTH, UH, AGENDA ITEM, A PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION ITEMS ITEM NUMBER A, HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HC 24 DASH 0 0 1 4. A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN ATTACHED GARAGE WITH A CARPORT TO AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DRILLING LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF COLORADO AVENUE, BETWEEN THIRD AND FOURTH STREETS, WITH THE ADDRESS OF SEVEN 18 COLORADO AVENUE THREE 18. I JUST DON'T, OH, DID I SAY IT'S THREE 18 COLORADO AVENUE. UH, GOOD EVENING. UM, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME'S ANN WILLIAMS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. UM, THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT AN ATTACHED GARAGE WITH A CARPORT TO AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING LOCATED AT THREE 18 COLORADO AVENUE. UM, THIS ONE MIGHT LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU BECAUSE IN SEPTEMBER OF 22, YOU, UM, APPROVED A COA FOR A DETACHED GARAGE. UM, ESSENTIALLY THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE TO THIS, UM, REQUEST, EXCEPT FOR NOW AN ATTACHED GARAGE. UM, HERE ARE SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED AND THE SITE PLAN AS WELL. SO, AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC, UM, COMMISSION DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, EVERYTHING COMPLIES. THE SIDING OF THE, THE SIDING, THE ROOF MATERIAL, THE ROOF SHAPE, THE STYLE OF GARAGE, THE GARAGE DOOR, THE SETBACKS, AND THE MAX MAXIMUM HEIGHT, THEY, UM, IT ALL COMPLIES WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, SO STAFF FINDINGS, THE DESIGN AND PROPOSED MATERIALS AT THE PROPOSED GARAGE EDITION ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND THE PROPOSED GARAGE EDITION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER AND DESIGN OF THE EXISTING HOUSE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. SO I HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE AS WELL. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UM, PLANS, PLEASE? UH, ONE MORE. WELL, ACTUALLY, THE, THE, THAT, UH, THAT NO, FORWARD PLEASE. FORWARD. OKAY. FORWARD. UM, JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE CARPORT GOING OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UH, IN, IN MY MIND, THAT WAS GONNA BE, UH, BACK, RIGHT? SO IT DOESN'T, UM, IT DOESN'T GO OUT IN FRONT OF THE DECK. OKAY. SO THE, THE GARAGE ITSELF IS RECESSED FROM THE FRONT LIVING WALL OF THE HOUSE, AND THE CARPORT IS IN LINE WITH THE, UM, PORCH UP FRONT, THE COVERED PORCH. GOOD. I DID NOT NOTICE THAT COVERED THING THERE. YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO TO ONE BACK TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE, UH, PRESENTATION, [00:05:02] UM, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF A QUESTION FOR MIKE. 'CAUSE I REMEMBERED ON COLUMNS BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE WIDTH OF THE COLUMNS, ET CETERA. AND THE, UH, PERSON HAD JUST BASICALLY USED, UM, UH, ONE BY SIX MM-HMM. TO, TO JACKET IT. AND THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING DIMENSIONALLY FUNNY ABOUT THAT. AND I NOTICED HERE THAT WE'RE USING, UH, TWO BY 12 TO KIND OF CAP THE BOTTOM MM-HMM. AND TWO BY TWO TO CAP THE TOP. IS THAT APPROPRIATE? I MEAN, I, I, I THINK IT, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING REALLY INAPPROPRIATE ABOUT IT. UM, IT'S, UH, THE TWO BY TWO, THE TWO BY TWOS ARE, THEY'RE SPACED APART, SO THEY GIVE IT A KIND OF A MOLDING SORT OF A LOOK, BUT IT'S, IT'S A FLAT STOCK. SO IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE. I THINK THE SIMPLICITY IS PROBABLY IN KEEPING WITH THE, UH, OF THE HOUSE THAT IT'S ATTACHED TO, KIND OF THAT, UM, IT'S SORT OF THE, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, TRADITIONAL VERNACULAR. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I I, IT FEELS TO ME THAT IT'S PRETTY, UM, IT'S DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO BLEND WITH WHAT'S THERE. PERFECT. OKAY. MM-HMM. CASE IN POINT OF SOMEBODY KNOWING JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION. , THERE'S, UH, THERE'S NO COLUMNS THOUGH, ON THE HOUSE? NO, IT'S ON THE, JUST ON THE GARAGE. ON THE GARAGE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO, HAVING HEARD THE, UM, CITY'S PRESENTATION AND THE, UH, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING AT, UH, 6 0 7. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS TOPIC BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY, UM, DISCUSSED? SEEING NO FURTHER COMMENTS? I'M GONNA CLOSE THE, UM, UM, PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 0 8, AND, UM, SEE IF ANYONE HAS A MOTION CONCERNING APPROVAL OF THIS, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. I SO MOVE. SECOND, HAVING HEARD A, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF AN APPROPRIATENESS. UM, AND THEN AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THE MOTION PASS PASSES. FOUR ZERO. OKAY. OKAY. [5.A. Hold a workshop discussion related to the Historic Overlay District in Chapter 125 of the League City Code of Ordinances and the League City Historic Commission Design Guidelines.] UH, THE NEXT, UM, AGENDA ITEM IS A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, WHICH IS TO HOLD A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT IN CHAPTER 1 25 OF THE LEAGUE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND THE LEAGUE CITY HISTORIC COMMISSION DESIGN GUIDELINES. GOOD EVENING. SO, UH, YOU REQUESTED AT, UH, THE COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT WE BRING YOU SOME INFORMATION, UM, IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS ABOUT A COUPLE TOPICS. SO I'LL START, JUMP RIGHT INTO THE, UM, CONTRIBUTING VERSUS NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR EACH OF THOSE. SO, OUR AUTHORITY COMES FROM THE UDC AND IT STATES, NO PERSON SHALL CONSTRUCT, RECONSTRUCT, ALTER, RESTORE, REHABILITATE, MOVE, OR DEMOLISH EXTERIOR PORTIONS OF ANY BUILDING OR ARCHITECTURAL, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF A BUILDING WITHIN THE DISTRICT. NOR SHALL ANY PERSON MAKE ANY MATERIAL CHANGE IN OTHER EXTERIOR ELEMENTS VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH AFFECT THE APPEARANCE AND COHESIVENESS OF ANY PROPERTY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND I AM JUST GONNA CALL THEM COAS BECAUSE IT IS A MOUTHFUL. . YEAH. I KEPT WANTING TO SAY CERTIFICATE OF ANALYSIS TODAY FOR REASON, BUT FLASHBACK. YEAH. FLASHBACK TO MY FORMER LIFE. . SO, A FEW DEFINITIONS. UM, THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE DEFINED AS STRUCTURES BUILT BETWEEN 1890 AND 1961. UM, THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISTRICT'S HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, AND THE FEATURES THAT IDENTIFY THE STRUCTURE AS BELONGING TO THE HISTORICAL PERIOD HAVE BEEN RETAINED. NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE DEFINED AS STRUCTURES BUILT BETWEEN 1890 AND 1961. THEY MAY OR NI [00:10:01] MAY OR MAY NOT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISTRICT'S NOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. FEATURES THAT IDENTIFY THE STRUCTURE AS BELONGING TO THE HISTORICAL PERIOD HAVE NOT BEEN RETAINED DUE TO FACTORS SUCH AS ALTERATIONS OR DISREPAIR. AND THERE ARE ALSO STRUCTURES BUILT AFTER THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DISTRICT. CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION HERE? GOING BACK TO, UM, SLIDE 17 AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME NAMES. IT SAYS, NOR SHALL ANY PERSON MAKE ANY MATERIAL CHANGE IN OTHER EXTERIOR ELEMENTS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH AFFECT THE APPEARANCE AND COHESIVENESS OF ANY PROPERTY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH, WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF A C OF A. AND, UH, OF COURSE, CHRIS, I'M GOING TO, UH, THE FENCES. NOW, I GUESS THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT IS WHEN IT SAYS OF THE PROPERTY, THAT MEANS THE HOUSE ITSELF AND A FENCE IS EXCLUDED, OR, UM, SEE, I READ THAT TO BE THAT FENCES ARE INCLU, YOU KNOW, YOU START MAKING MAJOR CHANGES OUTSIDE THE HOUSE. IT IS. SO WE WILL, I'M GONNA KIND OF ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BUT REAL QUICKLY, UM, FENCES DO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES. SO IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE THE GUIDELINES, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. OKAY. WE, HAS THAT BEEN CHANGED? WE'VE HAD SEVERAL FENCES THAT WENT THROUGH. HAS THAT BEEN MODIFIED? UH, SO IF A FENCE MEETS THE REGULATIONS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT CAN BE BUILT WITHOUT COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION. IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE GUIDELINES ALLOW, THEN IT HAS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. SO WOULDN'T, LIKE, BEFORE IT'S GONE IN FRONT OF P AND Z WOULD NOW GO IN FRONT OF THIS? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHRIS. I, I THINK I RECALL ONE YEARS AGO WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO GO TALLER OR SOMETHING, THEN THEY, AND IT CAME TO US AND WE, WE WEREN'T ALLOWED AND ALL THAT. WHOOPS. I OTHER QUESTION IS THE 1961, PROBABLY THREE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF THINGS WE HAVE IN THERE ARE AFTER 1961, THE TWO, UH, I'M THINKING OF THE TWO REAL NICE RANCH. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, UH, BACK ON FOURTH STREET. FOURTH STREET, AND, UH, IS IT IOWA? THE ONE THAT THE CAR HIT AND THE ONE, UH, ACRO, UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY ON KANSAS. MR. PEARSON, CAN YOU TALK INTO YOUR MIC FOR, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, I JUST, PROBABLY THREE OF THE STRONGEST EXAMPLES WE HAVE THAT I'LL CONSIDER REALLY WELL DONE, ALL ARE GONNA FALL OUTTA THAT 1961 AND ARE ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES. UM, SO I WONDER IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE WHEN THE, UM, THERE'S, I THINK ALL THREE OF THOSE RANCHES ARE SITTING BACK ON FOURTH ON FOURTH STREET, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY WELL DONE. YEAH. AND I THINK I KNOW WHICH ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. THE ONE THAT'S ALL GLASS FRONT TO BACK. SO THE 1961, UH, I RE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, CAME FROM WHEN WE DID THE HISTORIC, UH, RESOURCES SURVEY. MM-HMM. . AND THEY KIND OF WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT ALL THE, UH, HOUSES OR WHATEVER, AND THEY KIND OF PICKED THAT BASED ON THE, UM, WELL, PLUS PLUS, I GUESS THERE WAS THIS 50 YEAR THING THAT, THAT, UH, WELL CAME, WE RULED ON THAT HOUSE THAT GOT HIT BY THE CAR, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT 61. WELL, WE STILL, THEY, THEY'RE CONSIDERED NON-CONTRIBUTING AND THEY STILL, WE STILL EVALUATE ANYTHING THAT THEY, UM, DO EXTERIORLY, YOU KNOW, MAY BE A STAFF LEVEL, BUT IT'S STILL, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT AS WE OKAY. CERTAINLY. I'LL JUST ADD SOMETHING REAL QUICK. I THINK THIS, THIS WAS CONSIDERED THE PERIOD OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN, IN THE SURVEY. AND SO, SO LIKE ANN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IF A STRUCTURE COMES THROUGH A RANCH STYLE HOME THAT WAS BUILT AFTER 61 AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS FROM METAL TO VINYL, LIKE I THINK ONE OF THOSE HOUSES ON FOURTH STREET WANTED TO DO, RIGHT? YEAH. IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. AND ANN'S ABOUT TO GO OVER, UM, WHAT THOSE TRIGGERS ARE FOR BOTH THE CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. FANTASTIC. OKAY. SO I JUST PUT UP A FEW SLIDES THAT SHOW, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT AND THE ONE ON THE, OR ON THE LEFT. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS, UM, JUST A HIGHLIGHT OF THE CONTRIBUTING HOMES THAT ARE IN RED AND NON-CONTRIBUTING HOMES THAT ARE IN GREEN. [00:15:02] SO AGAIN, ON THE LEFT, THAT IS THE CONTRIBUTING HOMES ARE PROPERTIES, AND ON THE RIGHT IS NON-CONTRIBUTING. SO WE, IN THE UDC, WE HAVE A MATRIX THAT, IT'S A CHART BASICALLY THAT SAYS WHEN THEY, WHAT THEY PROPOSE TO DO, WHETHER IT NEEDS A STAFF LEVEL OR COMMISSION LEVEL OR STAFF LEVEL, OR NO COA AT ALL. SO, UM, I KIND OF BROKE IT DOWN A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY SO THAT I KIND OF PUT TOGETHER WHERE YOU SEE WHAT THE COMMISSION SEES FOR CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING HOMES. SO, JUST QUICKLY ADDITIONS, THERE WERE ALTERATIONS TO STRUCTURES THAT INCREASE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF FOOTPRINT OR ADD MORE STORIES TO EXISTING STRUCTURES. ADDITION OF EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS WITH NO PROOF OF FEATURES PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. ANY WORK BEGUN WITHOUT A COA NEW AWNINGS AND CANOPIES CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW STRUCTURE ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH CHANGE TO SHAPE OR PITCH, UM, ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH MATERIALS NOT LISTED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, MOVING A STRUCTURE INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, MOVING A STRUCTURE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE SAME LOT OR TO A DIFFERENT LOT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. FENCES THAT ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGNER MATERIAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. ADDITION OF STORM, WINDOWS, DOORS, BURGLAR BARS, ACCESSIBLE RAMPS, SOLAR PANELS, AND SATELLITE DISHES OR ANTENNAS. SO BASICALLY WHEN IT'S SOMETHING NEW, IN ADDITION, WHETHER IT'S CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING, THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD BRING TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. SO JUST FOR CONTRIBUTING HOMES, UH, COMMISSION APPROVAL, REPLACEMENT OF DOORS, WINDOWS, SIDINGS, OR EXTERIOR FEATURES WITH MATERIAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, DEMOLITION OF ALL OR POR A PORTION OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR MOVING A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THE STAFF LEVEL ONES, UM, FOR CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY, IT'S WHEN THEY'RE REPLACING OR REPAIRING SOMETHING. AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST HERE. REPLACEMENT OF AWNINGS AND CANOPIES. UM, EXTERIOR EMERGENCY REPAIRS WHEN FURTHER DAMAGE TO THE STRUCTURE MAY RESULT IN REPAIRS IT IF REPAIRS ARE NOT COMPLETED. EXTERIOR REPAIRS AND OR MAINTENANCE WITH IN-KIND MATERIAL FENCES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN OR MATERIAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH IN-KIND MATERIAL OR ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES. AND NO CHANGE TO STRUCTURE, SHAPE OR PITCH OF THE ROOF SIGNS INSTALLED WITHOUT DAMAGE TO SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC MATERIAL. AND DO NOT COM COMPROMISE. HISTORIC EXTERIOR STRUCTURAL FEATURES, TIME EXTENSION OF COAS TREE REMOVAL ON PROPERTY OR IN THE RIGHTS OF WAY, REMOVAL OF NON HISTORIC DECORATIVE ELEMENTS SUCH AS SHUTTERS, BRACKET, SKYLIGHTS, CANOPIES OR AWNINGS. UM, AND INSTALLATION OF EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN PARTIALLY LOST, DAMAGED BY REPAIR OR BEYOND REPAIR OR REMOVED. PROOF THAT THEY EXISTED EITHER THROUGH ELEMENT, EXISTING ELEMENTS THAT ARE STILL IN PLACE OR BY HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION SUCH AS ARCHITECTURAL PLANS OR PHOTOGRAPHS AND THE STAFF APPROVAL OF NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES. UM, BASICALLY, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I SAID BEFORE, REPLACEMENT OR DOOR OF DOORS, WINDOWS, SIDING OF, OR EXTERIOR FEATURES WITH MATERIAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. AND THEN THERE ARE NO CERTIFICATE OR COAS REQUIRED FOR A REMOVAL OF STORM WINDOWS, STORM DOORS, BURGLAR BARS, ACCESSORY RAMPS, LIFTS, SOLAR PLANTERS, PANEL SATELLITE FISHES, ANTENNA REPAINTING, RE PREVIOUSLY PAINTED MASON RESURFACES, TEMPORARY EMERGENCY WEATHER PROTECTION, LANDSCAPING AND DEMOLITION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, UH, AS WELL AS MOVING A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PORTION OF A CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT WAS COMPLETELY OR PARTIALLY DESTROYED BY FIRE, NATURAL DISASTER OR OTHER DAMAGE, NOT INTENTIONALLY CAUSED BY THE OWNER OF THE STRUCTURE, ONLY IF THE RECONSTRUCTION IS BUILT IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT AND HAS THE SAME EXTERIOR FEATURES AS THE CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. AND OF COURSE, WORK THAT AFFECTS THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. SO [00:20:01] THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT OUR UDC SAYS IN REGARDS TO THE CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING AND HOW WE REVIEW THEM AND WHAT WE BRING TO YOU VERSUS WHAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT AND APPROVE. A QUESTION WHEN WE SAY MOVING A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, CAN YOU PHYSICALLY MOVING RIGHT, NOT RECLASSIFYING MS. GREEN, DO YOU HAVE YOUR MICRO OH, THERE IT IS. OH, I COULDN'T SEE. SORRY. SO, UM, I'M WONDERING WHEN WE SAY MOVING A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT'S MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES, THAT MEANS PHYSICALLY RELOCATING CORRECT. THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? NOT RECLASSIFYING IT TO BE OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. CORRECT. IT WOULD BE MOVING A BUILDING, PHYSICALLY MOVING A BUILDING IDEA. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO ONE QUESTION ON THE, THE NON-CONTRIBUTING. UM, THERE ARE MORE THAN FIVE HOUSES THAT ARE CONSIDERED NON-CONTRIBUTING IN THE, UH, SURVEY BECAUSE OF THE CRITERIA THAT THAT GROUP USED, UM, INCLUDING SOME HOUSES THAT MAY STILL HAVE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, BUT YOU KNOW, TO PICK ONE, THE BUILDING GOT MOVED IN. SO BECAUSE IT WAS NOT NATIVE TO THE SITE, THEY CONSIDER THAT A NON-CONTRIBUTING, UM, BUILDING NONETHELESS. UM, IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO THE OLD CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T BUILT THERE, IT STILL IS AN OLD HOUSE AND IT IS THERE. AND, UM, SO IF SOMEBODY DID WANT TO GO IN AND ONE OF THESE NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, IS THERE ANY, UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE STAFF. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT, HEY, THE CHANGE YOU WANNA MAKE IS, UM, AFFECTING, IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S JUST USE THAT AS EXAMPLE WINDOWS, SO IT HAD ORIGINAL WINDOWS OR, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WANNA PUT IN, UH, VINYL, IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING. DOES THAT COME IN? OR THE FACT THAT IT'S, UH, NON-CONTRIBUTING MEANS, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, MEETS ALL OUR OTHER CODES, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE IT AS FAR AS MATERIALS AND IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING AND THEY WERE CHANGING IT TO, UH, VINYL, WE WOULD ALLOW THE VINYL, HOWEVER, WE WOULDN'T, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE THE SAME STYLE AND FORM, AND WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT. WE DON'T ONLY APPROVE IT THEN. YEAH. AND I WOULD ADD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, STAFF HAS, THE STAFF ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO BRING SOMETHING THAT WE MAY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, UM, TO THE COMMISSION. SO IN AN EXAMPLE, IN A, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE BUILT IN 1900 WITH THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS AND THEY WANNA REPLACE IT WITH VINYL, THAT WOULD RAISE A RED FLAG. UM, AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I, IN MY OPINION, WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR APPROVAL OF THAT, UM, JUST DUE TO THE, THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST. SO WE ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY IN THOSE INSTANCES TO BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION IF IT JUST DOESN'T MEET THE SMELL TEST. YEAH. AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT WHEN WE WERE, THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT THE WHOLE THING UP IN MY, IN MY MIND BECAUSE I MEAN, IF YOU, YOU SPEND ANY TIME WITH THE, UH, UH, THE RESOURCE GUIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, IN MY MIND, SOME PRETTY QUESTIONABLE NON-CONTRIBUTING ITEMS THAT ARE IN THERE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY KICK OUT A HOUSE BECAUSE THEY ADDED A, UM, UH, AN EXTENSION ON THE HOUSE OR WHATEVER. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT EXTENSION NOW HAS BEEN THERE FOR LONG ENOUGH IN MY MIND THAT IT'S STILL CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE VERY TRUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE CRITERIA THEY WERE USING. I'M NOT FAULTING THEM, BUT I JUST THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OUR ROLE IS TO LOOK AT OUR PARTICULAR, UH, AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE HOUSES, I THINK OUGHT TO BE CONTRIBUTING. YEAH. AND I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE TO HAVE THOSE, THOSE SITUATIONS LOOKED AT A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY. AND I CAN COMMIT TO ENSURING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE OLDER HOUSES THAT ARE OF HISTORIC AGE, THAT HAVE HISTORIC MATERIALS, WHETHER IT'S CONTRIBUTING OR NOT, UM, IF THEY'RE REQUESTING A CHANGE OF THAT, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, TAKE A FOCUS ON THAT AND BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION. NOW. I, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE BECAUSE SOMEBODY PUT NEW WINDOWS IN IT AND THEY'RE COMING TO SEE NEW WINDOWS, SURE. THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION. THAT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SITUATION. ABSOLUTELY. UM, MY 2 CENTS, IS THERE A PROCESS IN PLACE AND A STRUCTURE THAT'S EITHER BEING REHABILITATED OR, OR BEING REEVALUATED TO COME BEFORE COMMISSION OR THROUGH SOME MECHANISM TO BRING IT INTO [00:25:01] COM INTO, UH, CONTRIBUTING STATUS? KNOW IF SOMEBODY GETS RID OF THE, THE ADDITION, SOMEONE FIXES THE ROOF, LIKE THE, THE DICK HOUSE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. IT HAD A NON-CONTRIBUTING ROOF AT A POINT. MM-HMM. , IT WAS REDONE AND IN 97, SO NOW IT IS CONTRIBUTING. BUT, UH, UH, IF ANOTHER STRUCTURE WERE TO DO THAT, IS THERE A PROCESS TO, TO BRING IT INTO CONTRIBUTING? SO IT IS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SAY WITHOUT THE SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC SITUATION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S THE ABILITY TO REBUILD TO THE ORIGINAL FORM. IF YOU HAVE PROOF, UM, EXCUSE ME, IN THE WAY OF PICTURES OR PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY, YOU CAN REBUILD IT TO THAT ORIGINAL FORM. UM, YOU DON'T WANT TO REPLICATE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LOOK HISTORIC, BUT YOU CAN REBUILD TO THE ACTUAL OLD FORM IF YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL PROOF OR PLANS OR PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THAT FORM TO POTENTIALLY MAKE A STRUCTURE THAT WAS DEEMED NON-CONTRIBUTING. CONTRIBUTING AGAIN. OKAY. AND HOW, WHAT WOULD, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT PROCESS WOULD BE? WOULD IT COME HERE? WOULD IT GO PZ? WOULD IT BE A STAFF? IT WOULDN'T GO TO PNZ. IT WOULD EITHER COME HERE OR BE STAFF. IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT IT IS EXACTLY THEY'RE WANTING TO DO. UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING THAT MAJOR OF, OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING OFF THE OLD ROOF AND PUTTING ON A NEW FORMED ROOF, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY COME BEFORE Y'ALL WELL, I'M JUST SAYING WITH THE PROCESS TO BE CONSIDERED CON CONTRIBUTING AFTER THAT POINT, WOULD THAT BE THIS COMMITTEE'S DECISION OR WOULD THAT GO THROUGH STAFF? UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, A JUDGMENT CALL ON Y'ALL'S BEHALF. UM, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE GOT A SURVEY DONE IN 2017. CORRECT. THAT SURVEY WAS THE BASELINE OF WHAT'S CONTRIBUTING AND NOT, UM, IN ORDER TO GET NEW UPDATED, UM, STATUSES OF THESE PROPERTIES, WE WOULD NEED TO DO A NEW SURVEY AND HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S AN EXPERT IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION COME ASSESS THESE HOUSES TO DETERMINE IF IT, IF IT'S NOW CONTRIBUTING OR NOT. OKAY. COULD THAT BE, THAT COULD BE A CASE BY CASE EVEN CORRECT. IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY WITH THE RIGHT CREDENTIALS. THAT'S WHY IT COMES TO Y'ALL IN THOSE SITUATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S CONTRIBUTING OR NOT. DOES IT, DOES IT, UM, ADD TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? RIGHT. AND THAT, THAT'S THE DECISION THAT Y'ALL MAKE UP HERE. UM, AND SO US AS STAFF, WE, WE DON'T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE GONNA BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR Y'ALL TO HEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. AND DID, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, UH, SURVEY UPDATED? SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN OUR BUDGETING PROCESS BUDGET? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, NOT SURE AT, AT THIS POINT IF IT IF IT'LL BE FUNDED OR NOT, BUT YOU DID PUT THE MONEY, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID LAST TIME YOU PUT MONEY IN TO DO IT. YES, SIR. AND, AND THE INITIAL PROPOSED BUDGET, UM, WE DID HAVE A LINE ITEM TO UPDATE THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW HOW THAT GOES. SO WE'LL SEE IF THAT GETS THROUGH. SOME, SOME THINGS WON'T. OKAY. SO THE NEXT TOPIC, UM, THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IS WINDOWS. UM, SO WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE REQUIRES A COA APPROVED BY THE DIS BY THE COMMISSION. AND WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE REQUIRES A COA APPROVED BY STAFF. AND WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. UM, WE REVIEW THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ON FOR EITHER REQUEST, UM, FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. SO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES SAY EXTERIOR MATERIALS USED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ADDITION OR RENOVATIONS SHOULD MATCH AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THE EXISTING MATERIALS, OR SIMILAR TO THOSE COMMONLY USED IN THE AREA AROUND 1940. THAT'S JUST REGURGITATING THE, THE GUIDELINES. SO WE USE THE GUIDELINES EVERY TIME WE GET A REQUEST FOR NEW WINDOWS. UM, SO WINDOW REPLACEMENT CRITERIA IN, UH, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. UM, NUMBER ONE, REPAIR REFURBISH WHENEVER POSSIBLE ON A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. UM, AND IF REPLACEMENT IS NECESSARY IN KIND ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER FORM AND FINISHED MATERIAL, UH, THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT CRITERIA ON A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE REPLACEMENT WITH TYPE AND MATERIAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, WINDOWS ON NEW STRUCTURES AND ADDITIONS CONSISTENT WITH TYPE OF MATERIAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. AND SHOULD, THEY SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH SIZE, SCALE, COLOR, MATERIAL, AND CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY, NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT, ESPECIALLY ON NEW HOUSES, NEW ADDITIONS, WE WOULD CONSIDER THE AREA ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE RECESSED [00:30:01] OR FLUSHED. SO THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, WE WOULD, UM, EVALUATE THAT. BUT ANYTHING NEW IS ALWAYS GOING TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION. A NEW ADDITION, A NEW STRUCTURE. MAY I INTERRUPT? MY HUSBAND'S BEEN ILL AND HE'S TEXTING ME. HE NEEDS MEDA. SORRY, I WAS LEARNING A LOT. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE, THE 1940 DATE. I, I REMEMBER THE DATE BEING SORT OF THE, THE, I, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT ARBITRARY BECAUSE IT'S NOT, BUT THAT WAS SORT OF THE DATE THAT THAT SORT OF SET WHAT BECAME CONTRIBUTING AND NOT, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH UP WITH THE 1961, RIGHT? YEAH. AND IF YOU BUILD WITH MATERIALS THAT ARE COMMON FOR 1940, YOU MIGHT PRECLUDE YOURSELF FROM BUILDING A MORE MODERN RANCH STYLE HOME, FOR INSTANCE. UM, BUT I THINK THAT, AS I RECALL, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT IF THERE IS A, UH, IF THERE'S A CONSIDERATION FOR A NEW SET OF HOUSES OR A NEW AREA TO BE HISTORIC, YOU WOULD CREATE A NEW OVERLAY THAT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN GUIDELINES, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO IF YOU HAD AN AREA JUST AS A, FOR INSTANCE, THE AREA, UM, BETWEEN HIGHWAY THREE AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, UH, UH, THE RAILROAD TRACKS HAS A LOT OF MID-CENTURY HOUSES, YOU COULD DESIGNATE THAT AS HISTORIC FROM 1965 OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN LONG ENOUGH TO CONSIDER THAT HISTORIC. RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE, THE THING HERE TOO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MAY BE HOUSES THAT ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING. THE COA GIVES US A MECHANISM TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE CHARACTER, BUT BRINGING OTHER HOUSES TO BE CONTRIBUTING MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SORT OF OPPOSED TO THE ORDINANCE ORIGINALLY. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIKE BRINGING THINGS IN THAT AREN'T, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL DISTRICT YOU'RE BUILDING ON THE DISTRICT. THE IDEA IS TO BUILD ON A DISTRICT AND CREATE A, A FEEL. RIGHT. UM, SO I WAS, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT AS MAYBE THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE CONFUSION, THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONFUSION AROUND TERMINOLOGY. UM, BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE RENOVATION VERSUS RESTORATION, RIGHT? IF YOU RESTORE SOMETHING THAT WASN'T CONTRIBUTING BECAUSE IT DID SOMETHING IN THE PAST THAT CHANGED IT AND YOU RESTORE IT BACK, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S A CONTRIBUTING, COULD BE A CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, BUT IT WOULD TAKE A NEW SURVEY TO DO THAT, RIGHT? WELL, OR, OR I DON'T THINK IT'D BE A FULL SURVEY, A FULL SURVEY. YOU COULD JUST RETAIN THE, THE SERVICES OF SOMEONE WHO COULD, UH, WHO'S LICENSED BY THE STATE RIGHT. TO, TO APPROVE THAT AND BRING IT IN, ADD TO THAT, THAT SURVEY ITSELF. YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY FOUR OF 'EM THAT I KNOW THAT MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WITH AN ADDITION TAKEN OFF AND WITH A BUNCH OF ANOTHER ONE WITH A BUNCH OF STUFF JUST TAKEN OFF THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE EXTERIOR WOULD BE DEFINITELY CONTRIBUTING. RIGHT. HAS THIS EVER COME UP BEFORE, HAS ANYONE EVER HAD A NON-CONTRIBUTING THAT THEY WORKED ON AND NOW THEY FELT LIKE IT WAS CONTRIBUTING AND THEY WANTED THAT LABEL? UM, I'VE NOT SEEN THAT SITUATION SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THE SURVEY WHERE WE CONSIDERED EVERYTHING CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING, I THINK WAS THE FIRST SURVEY THAT ACTUALLY DID THAT. YEAH. MM-HMM. . UM, SO IT'S ONLY BEEN SINCE 2017 WHERE WE'VE HAD THE LABEL OF CONTRIBUTING VERSUS NON-CONTRIBUTING. NO. AND, AND REMEMBER THE, THE, WHAT BROUGHT THIS WHOLE THING UP IN MY MIND AND WHY I, UH, REQUESTED IT IS THAT, UM, IN MANY HOMEOWNERS MINDS, IT'S A BENEFIT TO THEM. TO HAVE A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE MEANS THEN I CAN DO MM-HMM. CARTE BLANCHE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TIM WAS JOKING AROUND ABOUT PAINTING THE HOUSE, BUT I MEAN, THAT, THAT WAS MM-HMM, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A SIN IN MY MIND IF, UM, THAT HOUSE WOULD'VE BEEN, WOULD'VE BEEN PAINTED. AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT, BOY, IF I HAVE MY HOUSE DESIGNATED AS NON-COMPLIANT, IT MEANS I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT. YOU'VE GOT HOUSES THAT ARE NON-COMPLIANT, BUT THEY STILL FIT THE FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. PEOPLE CAN JUST START DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR PAINT. I'M GONNA LET ANN ADDRESS YOUR PAINTING QUESTION BECAUSE THIS, THIS MADE ME VERY HAPPY. SO, REAL QUICK THOUGH, I THINK YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS INFORMATION. THIS IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ON THE WINDOWS AND THE PERMITTED TYPES AND MATERIALS AND EXTERIOR PAINTING . SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, I HAD TO TELL MY FACE NOT TO TALK BECAUSE IT, IT IS ADDRESSED IN THE UDC. OKAY. SO, UM, IN, IN-KIND, REPAIR, REPLACEMENT AND REPAINTING IS INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF ORDINARY MAINTENANCE, UNLESS PAINTING INVOLVES AN EXTERIOR MASONRY [00:35:01] SURFACE THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY PAINTED. SO BASICALLY, IF MASONRY WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY PAINTED, IT CANNOT BE PAINTED. WOULD YOU DEFINE MASONRY FOR ME? OH GOODNESS. I WAS GONNA WRITE THAT IN THERE. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BRICKS OR SIDEWALKS? WHAT ARE WE TALKING? WE'RE TALKING BRICK UNIT MASON. CM U YEAH. YEAH. VERTICAL MATERIAL LIKE STONE, THE VERTICAL STONE MASONRY, STONE BRICK. THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF IT, WHICH I PUT IN THERE AND THEN TOOK IT OUT, AND THEN I DIDN'T MEMORIZE IT. AND I REALLY CAN'T SAY WITH THE, WITH CAN'T SEE BY THE, WHAT'S MADE UP OF IT. 'CAUSE HARDY PLAN IS TECHNICALLY MADE UP A MASON . AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YEAH. THIS IS FOR JUST FOR THE VERTICAL SURFACES HOUSES, OKAY. YOU CAN STAIN YOUR CONCRETE IN YOUR BACKYARD OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOUR PAVERS, DIFFERENT COLORS. UM, THAT'S OKAY. BUT PAINTING THE VERTICAL SURFACE OF A MASONRY BUILDING, SO BRICK STONES, CMU, UM, IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE ORDINANCE. I, I HAVE TO INTERJECT. WHEN I FIRST CAME TO LAKE CITY, THE ENTIRE PLANNING, EVERYTHING WAS ONE SHEET. YEAH. EVERYTHING. AND I REMEMBER THE LAST ITEM, NUMBER 22, PAINTING OF A STRUCTURE THAT'S CONSIDERED GTI WILL NOT, IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN LAKE CITY. THAT WAS THE ONLY GOTTI, GOTTI, IT HAD QUOTATIONS GOTTI, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY EXTERIOR LIMITATION IN LAKE CITY IN 1994. I, I WILL, I WILL SAY THOUGH, THIS, THIS ONE, IT'S SEEMS KIND OF INNOCUOUS, BUT, UM, THIS IS, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHERE STYLE IS GOING RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE LIKE TO PAINT THEIR MASONRY A LOT. AND I THINK HAVING THIS IN HERE IS GONNA, YEAH. GOING TO DO A LOT OF GOOD. 'CAUSE AS SOON AS YOU PAINT IT, IT'S DONE, IT'S PAINTED, THAT'S IT. AND YOU'VE LOST THAT STRUCTURE. THAT STRUCTURE IS NEVER GONNA BE HISTORIC IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, REALLY. AGAIN. SO HAVING THIS IN HERE IS GONNA SAVE US A LOT, SO, FANTASTIC. YEAH. YOU'LL GET THE, YOU'LL GET FOLKS COMING IN. I MEAN, , I LIVE IN A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S GOT THIS, A SIMILAR GUIDELINE IN THE HOA . OH, REALLY? YEAH. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD IS, AND THIS IS, I'M JUST FAIRLY NEW, SO IS THE PUNISHMENT. SO IF I WENT AND I PAINTED MY BRICKS ONE DAY, WHICH AS YOU SAID, YOU CAN'T UNDO IT, I GET A TICKET. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE YES. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK PART OF THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE, THE JOKE THAT KIND OF INSPIRED THIS WAS THIS IDEA THAT IF I DON'T WANNA DEAL WITH THESE COAS AND I DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THIS ANYMORE, I JUST GO PAINT MY HOUSE AND I'M DONE MESSING WITH IT, I CAN GET MY WINDOWS APPROVED. THERE'S NO PROBLEMS. SO I GUESS MY FEAR WOULD BE IF SOMEONE SAID, WELL, I CAN PAY THIS TICKET FINE AND NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS EVER AGAIN AND SAVE $20,000 ON MY, EACH DAY THAT THEY CONTINUE THE VIOLATION CONSTITUTES A SEPARATE OFFENSE. AND SO IF THE CITY WERE TO TAKE A STANCE, OKAY, IT COULD BE $500 PER DAY PER TICKET, UM, THAT'S A DETERRENT. OKAY. YEAH. THE WORST ONE I'VE EVER SEEN WAS IN LAREDO WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO GET RID OF A HOUSE THAT HAD A BARN ATTACHED TO IT FOR HORSES AND TO IN DOWNTOWN. AND LAREDO GAVE IT THE, THE GIFT OF DEATH. IT CAN NEVER BE OCCUPIED THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE. WOW. UNTIL THEY REVISED THEIR SOMEONE UNTIL IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO A VOTE TO CHANGE THAT THEY REVOKED THE, THE OCCUPANCY FOR THE THING FOR INDEFINITELY. HOLY COW. WOW. THE LAST THING ON HERE, THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE. SO, UH, NO COA IS REQUIRED IF THE MASONRY SURFACE HAS BEEN PAINTED ALREADY. BUT, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY THE, WHAT IT SAYS. AND SO ABSOLUTELY NO PAINTING BRICKS. OKAY. NO, NO PAINTING THOSE BEAUTIFUL RANCH STYLE HOMES WITH THE BRICKS . SO, GOOD DEAL. FANTASTIC. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. YES, WE CAN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT TOPIC? I, UM, [6. Commissioners Comments] IF NOT, WE'LL THEN MOVE TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. KELLY, YOU WANNA START? NO COMMENTS. SHOULD I, ANY, ANY IDEA? I KNOW Y'ALL PROBABLY DON'T KNOW. AND THE, THE, ALL THE TREE LIMBS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE REMOVED. Y'ALL HAVE, I KNOW Y'ALL PROBABLY DON'T KNOW THAT I A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW STARTING, UM, THE 21ST, THEY'RE GOING TO START PICKING UP THE BAGGED WASTE. OKAY. AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GET OUT THERE WITH THE GRAPPLE TRUCKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING COME THROUGH ABOUT VEGETATIVE. YEAH. STUFF STARTING THE NINE 19TH, I WANNA SAY IT'S GOING TO BE DETERMINED BY YOUR REGULAR GARBAGE SCHEDULE. I KNOW THEY START ON THE 21ST, BUT EVERY DAY YOU CAN TAKE, I THINK IT'S BETWEEN SEVEN. [00:40:01] DO YOU HAVE THE TIME TO HOMETOWN HEROES. IF YOU HAVE BAGGED GREEN WASTE THAT YOU WANNA GET OFF YOUR CURB, YOU CAN TAKE IT TO HOMETOWN HEROES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR ID AND PROOF OF RESIDENCY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. PEARSON. I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND, UM, TAKING A LOOK AT THE CITY'S FACEBOOK PAGE. I KNOW COMMUNICATION'S BEEN PUSHING STUFF OUT. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION EXACTLY, BUT I KNOW THEY, THEY KEEP PUSHING INFORMATION OUT ON THAT FACEBOOK PAGE CONSISTENTLY. SO I LOOKED CLEAR AND THE UM, CITY MANAGER'S UPDATE THAT COMES OUT, WELL COMES OUT THURSDAY EVENING FRIDAY THAT'S ON THERE AND THERE'S ARTICLES ON THERE ABOUT IT AS WELL. OKAY. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. I CALLED AMERI WASTE TO SEE WERE THEY GONNA PICK UP THE DEBRIS OR WHAT, AND THEY SAID NO, THEY HAD NO CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND A HUNDRED PERCENT THE CITY WAS GONNA HAVE TO PICK IT UP. RIGHT. YEAH. THEY HAD A, UM, I, I THINK IT'S, IS IT CRAB GOLD? MICHELLE? DO YOU KNOW WHO'S OUR, UM, PARTLY CROWN GOLD, BUT ALSO WE'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING WITH I THINK AER WASTE WHERE THEY'RE PICKING UP SOME BAG WASTE. YEAH. SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO TRY TO GET YEAH, I KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. THEY HAVE A, A CONTINGENT CONTRACT FOR STORM DEBRIS REMOVAL, SO IT JUST TAKES SOME TIME. THERE'S WHAT, CLOSE TO 40,000 HOMES IN LAKE CITY NOW. SO I THINK MOST OF THEM HAVE A PILE OF DEBRIS IN THEIR FRONT YARD. IT'S NOT JUST US. RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WELL, EVEN HOUSTON'S AFFECTING US 'CAUSE THEY'RE HIRING CONTRACTORS. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'M GOOD. I I'M SIMPLE. KEEP IT SIMPLE. I LOVE IT. UH, NOTHING REALLY STOOD UP AT ME. WELL DONE. VERY WELL DONE. UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE, WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD PUT, I'LL JUST GO . I, I'VE GOT A, A COUPLE ITEMS. UM, ONE IS, AND I FORGOT TO CHECK BEFORE I CAME. UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE RESOURCE SURVEY, UH, A COUPLE TIMES. AND, UH, LAST TIME I TRIED TO LOOK AT IT, WHICH HAS BEEN A WHILE NOW. I COULDN'T FIND IT ON THERE. IN FACT, IF YOU GO TO THE LINK OR WHATEVER, IT JUST KIND OF SENDS YOU ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND. UM, HAS THAT BEEN FIXED? NO. I, I APOLOGIZE SIR. I THINK I WROTE IT DOWN AND THEN NEVER LOOKED AT MY PAPER AGAIN. . SO I WILL, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT BACK ON THERE AND FIX THE BROKEN LINK. AND THEN THE, UM, OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, WRITING A CODE FOR THE, UM, SETBACK OF THE WINDOWS. AND I TALKED TO RICK. WERE YOU ABLE TO LOOK UP WHAT THAT I DIDN'T. IF Y'ALL STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES FROM 98, 2000, IT'S IN THERE, BUT I CAN'T FIND MY HABER STUFF. SO GOING BACK TO JUST THIS SLIDE HERE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT WINDOWS, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. UM, WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT WINDOWS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT IS THE FORM OF THE WINDOW. AND ESPECIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE'RE HYPER CRITICALLY LOOKING AT IS THE FORM OF THAT WINDOW. AND WHEN I SAY THE FORM OF THE WINDOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S SET BACK ON THE HOUSE. AND SO IF THEY'RE DOING A REPLACEMENT WINDOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD REVIEW IS, IS THAT WINDOW THAT'S EXISTING RECESSED AND WILL THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOW BE RECESSED? IF NOT, IF THEY'RE REPLACING A RECESSED WINDOW WITH A, WITH A WINDOW THAT IS NOT RECESSED, THEN WE WOULD BRING THAT TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW IF THEY DID NOT WANT TO FOLLOW THAT. SO I DON'T BELIEVE A CODE AMENDMENT'S NECESSARY. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST STACK INTO OUR REVIEW CURRENTLY. UM, BECAUSE THE FORM IS SOMETHING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT ANYWAYS. AND SO IF IT'S NOT THAT LIKE FOR LIKE FORM, UM, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BRING TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW. YEAH, YEAH. I CAN SEE WHERE THAT WOULD A, A APPLY. I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS WITH THE NORMAL TURNOVER OF FOLKS OR WHATEVER WOULD FORM, WOULD THIS STATEMENT FORM TRIGGER THAT IN A NEW PERSON'S, UM, MIND THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO THAT? SO I DON'T PLAN ON LEAVING SIR . OH, BUT YOU KNOW, ON THE RECORD, YES, CHRIS, WE LIKE YOU . UM, BUT YES, THE FORM OF THE WINDOW, YOU KNOW, IS HOW IT'S SET IN THAT STRUCTURE. SO, SO IT SHOULD TRIGGER THAT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE, THE LAST COMMENT I HAVE IS ALONG IS THAT SAME, SAME THING IS, UM, THERE IS A BUILDING THAT IS BECOMING A SCHOOL ON, UH, PARK STREET, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, FROM THE THING WHERE THEY'VE REPLACED ALL THE WINDOWS AND INSTALLED, UM, WELL, WHETHER THEY CHANGED THE FORM OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THERE WAS NO WINDOWS THERE AND THEY ADDED WINDOWS, BUT THEY PUT IN VINYL WINDOWS WITH, YOU KNOW, NO SETBACK OR WHATEVER. SO, UM, [00:45:01] I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE STATUS OF THAT BUILDING. UM, I KNOW THAT THEY PUT IN FOR A BUSINESS REGISTRATION RECENTLY. SO, UM, I HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH ONE OF THE OTHER PLANNERS AND WE NEED TO GO EVALUATE THAT AND, UM, SEE WHAT STEPS FORWARD WE NEED TO TAKE. BUT THEY DID NOT APPLY FOR A-A-C-O-A THAT I KNOW OF. SO, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT AND YEAH. SO IF, IF THEY HAD FALLEN IN THE, WELL, IT, IT WOULDN'T REALLY MATTER THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK IS IF SOMETHING COMES INTO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND IT'S IN THE DISTRICT, THEY DON'T MAKE A DECISION ON IT. RIGHT. THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, RIGHT THROUGH YOU GUYS. AND THE, IF THERE WERE WINDOWS, NEW WINDOWS CUT IN, THAT WOULD'VE REQUIRED, UH, UH, AT LEAST A STAFF LEVEL COA, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. NEW WINDOWS WERE CUT IN. YEAH. NOW I, I THINK THAT BUILDING ONCE UPON A TIME HAD WINDOWS AND THEN AT SOME TIME THEY BOARDED EVERYTHING OVER, BUT THEY DID CUT NEW WINDOWS IN. THEY, THEY TOOK THE OLD SIDING OFF AND THEY, THEY CUT IN NEW WINDOWS. RIGHT. WHICH MAKES THE BUILDING LOOK, MAKES THE BUILDING LOOK BETTER. BUT NONETHELESS, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S FOLLOWING THE PROCESS. SO A BUILDING PERMIT WOULD NOT HAVE TRIGGERED THAT. YES. SO IF, IF THEY, IF THEY GOT A BUILDING PERMIT, WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN? AND I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION BEFORE I CAN GIVE YOU SPECIFIC GUIDANCE ON IT. SECOND, IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? YEAH. BUT YES, WHENEVER THEY GET A BUILDING PERMIT, IT IT, THE SYSTEM, WHAT IT DOES IS IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS, THERE'S GEO RULES IN THE SYSTEM THAT SAY, HEY, THIS IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT TRIGGERS A HISTORIC DISTRICT REVIEW FROM ANN OR SOMEONE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. UM, IF THEY RECEIVED A PERMIT, THAT IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. UM, IF THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A PERMIT, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF THAT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME HERE FOR REVIEW. SO LET US, LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION AND I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON IT. I SUSPECT THE WORK STARTED WITHOUT PERMIT IS MY, IS MY BED, BUT I DUNNO. SO WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. FIRST THING TOMORROW. THAT'S A CRAZY BUILDING. THAT WAS A TWO STORY BUILDING. OH, WAS THEY CHOPPED OFF THE TOP? 'CAUSE LABOR WAS CHEAP. MOVED IT TO THE BACK AND TURNED IT INTO A CHURCH. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE WINDOWS PROBABLY DISAPPEARED FROM THE HOUSE AT SOME POINT. YEAH. INTERESTING. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SUSAN. NO COMMENTS. AND MICHAEL, I HAVE NONE. VERY GOOD. SO WITH THAT, UH, WE'VE REACHED THE, UH, OH, SORRY STEPH, UH, COMMENTS. I HAVE NOTHING FOR YOU GUYS THIS EVENING ON STAFF COMMENTS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO APPRECIATE THE, UH, WORK ON THE, UH, PRESENTATION YOU GAVE US. THAT'S GOING IN MY, UH, BINDER HERE, MY OUT OF DATE BINDER, . BUT UM, I APPRECIATE IT. UH, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE AT, UH, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS ADJOURNMENT. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE MEETING AT 6 49. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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