* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] WHAT DID YOU DO TO YOURSELF? KICKING ASS. [1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS] THE CITY OF COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE CITY TEXAS WILL NOW COME TO ORDER IN A WORK SESSION AT 5:00 PM UH, ROLL CALL. ANDY MANN. HERE. TOM CONES? HERE. TOM CRUISE. HERE. COURTNEY CHADWELL? HERE. JUSTIN HICKS. YEP. CHAD TRESSLER. HERE. SEAN SAUNDERS HERE. ALRIGHT. [2. PUBLIC COMMENTS] AND NOW WE'LL, PUBLIC COMMENTS. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO BRING YOU THE MICROPHONE? DO WE HAVE A PORTABLE MICROPHONE? PASS IT DOWN PLEASE. THERE FIRST PERSON IS LAURA TEITSWORTH. IS IT ON? HELLO? OKAY, GREAT. HELLO, MY NAME IS LAURA TEITSWORTH. I RESIDE AT FIVE 17 SMALL CEDAR DRIVE. UM, I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S LEAGUE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP IS TO DISCUSS AND DECIDE ON SOME LITHIUM BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY MINIMUM SAFETY STANDARDS THAT WILL SATISFY THE CONCERNS OF OUR RESIDENTS. WE WANNA TALK ABOUT SAFETY, AESTHETICS, AND DECOMMISSIONING. IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT HERE AND YOU ARE VISITING, THIS MIGHT BE A GREAT TIME TO START MAKING SURE THAT YOUR SPEECH IS PREPARED AND READY TO GO. FOR THIS CONVERSATION, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN OUR MINIMUM SAFETY STANDARDS FOR THESE BEST FACILITIES. I HAVE VISITED THREE OF THE PROPOSED BEST SITE, UH, COMPANIES I HAVE VISITED STELLA CYPRESS CREEK, THE BECKMAN PROJECT, PEREGRINE, THE WIZARD PROJECT. ALL THREE OF THESE ARE UNIQUE IN THEIR OWN WAY. AND I HAVE, UH, DONE MY OWN RESEARCH ALONG TO SEE WHAT KIND OF MINIMUM STANDARDS WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT IN LAKE CITY. AND FIRST AND FOREMOST WOULD BE THE THIRD PARTY PLUME STUDY. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT WOULD SETTLE THE MINDS OF THE RESIDENTS. I LIKE THE IDEA OF A 10 FOOT CEMENT WALL ALL THE WAY AROUND, PREFERABLY PAINTED LANDSCAPING TO MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. PEREGRINE'S MODEL HAS AN ELEVATED AN ELEVATION ABOVE THE BFE OF FIVE FEET. THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. IT DRAINS INTO A THREE, INTO THREE DRY RETENTION PONDS, DRY RETENTION PONDS WITH PUMPS. WE THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. PERSONALLY, I WOULD PREFER MOTION DETECTION SECURITY CAMERAS TO KEEP OUT THE ROOF RAFF MONITOR WILDLIFE MAYHEM. THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION HERE FOR US AS WELL. THE FOURTH THING I'D LIKE TO ASK IS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SIGNAGE INCLUDED NAME AND EMERGENCY NUMBER ON AN ENTRANCE GATE. PEREGRINE'S MODEL HAS THIS, I'M NOT TOO SURE THE OTHER TWO DO, BUT THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, ESPECIALLY FOR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL. SPEAKING OF EMERGENCY PERSONNEL, EMERGENCY PERSONNEL INCLUDING FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE, MUST BE TRAINED, PROVIDED ANY NECESSARY EQUIPMENT AND OTHER AREA ESSENTIAL DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING NEIGHBORING CITIES, ALSO BE TRAINED SUCH AS FRIENDSWOOD, KEA WEBSTER, AND DICKINSON. PEGU, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, HAS ALREADY STARTED AND BEGUN THIS. THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLAN FOR WHO CAN AND WHO WILL SHUT OFF THESE SYSTEMS WHEN NECESSARY. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICE REMOTE AND THIS NEEDS TO BE DOCUMENTED. AND WHERE IS REMOTE? THERE NEEDS TO BE A DECOMMISSIONING BOND. THIS IS NON-NEGOTIABLE. TAX ABATEMENT IS ALSO NON-NEGOTIABLE. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN THEY'RE APPLYING, THEY ALSO KNOW WE'RE GONNA SAY NO TO THE TAX ABATEMENT. AND THE LAST THING IS, IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED NO CLOSER THAN 200 FEET IN ANY DIRECTION NEAR A CHURCH SCHOOL DAYCARE RESIDENT. OUT OF THE THREE FACILITIES THAT I'VE SEEN, PEREGRINE LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE THE CLOSEST TO THIS MODEL. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR US TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR DUCKS ARE IN A ROW. THEY HAVE ALSO SPOKEN TO ONE OF THE PROPERTIES NEAR WHERE THEY PLAN TO BUILD ON. I BELIEVE THE HOMEOWNER'S LAST NAME MIGHT BE ERMO. I [00:05:01] FEEL IF RESIDENTS SUCH AS THE PALERMO'S GIVE PERMISSION IN WRITING THAT MIGHT SATISFY THE INTENT OF BEING CLOSER THAN 200 FEET. I DO BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO BE IN WRITING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS A WORKSHOP, MAKING THIS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BE A SOUNDING BOARD FROM THE RESIDENTS TO CITY COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE SAFETY AND SATISFACTION OF KNOWING THAT IT IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF IN OUR PLACE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. UH, GRAY MEYER. AND IT'S MARY GIBSON. AFTER MR. MEYER. YES. GRAY MEYER, 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF LEAGUE CITY. UM, MOST OF THE DATA ON THESE LARGE SCALE BEST SITES ARE LESS THAN FIVE YEARS OLD. OKAY. UH, THERE ARE CONSTANTLY NEW CODES BEING WRITTEN. UH, AFTER EACH FAILURE, THEY'RE UPDATED. OKAY. UH, A STUDY BY THE EIA, US ENERGY INFORMATION ADMINISTRATION, PLUS SEVERAL OTHER STUDIES STATE THAT THE CURRENT RATE OF FAILURE IN A LITHIUM ION BATTERY FACILITY IS LESS THAN 3%, WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD RATE. OKAY. HOWEVER, THEY GO ON TO STATE THAT THEY EXPECT THESE RATES TO INCREASE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. SINCE MOST OF THESE FACILITIES ARE LESS THAN THREE YEARS OLD. UH, AND DUE TO LARGE, THE LARGE NUMBER OF BEST FACILITIES BEING BUILT AT THIS TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN NO LESS THAN 17 FAILURES, UH, OF BEST FACILITIES SINCE JANUARY 20, 23, 7 OF WHICH WERE IN THE UNITED STATES. UH, THE MOST RECENT IS SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA, MAY OF 2024, UH, PRECEDED BY MELBA, IDAHO. DECEMBER, 2023, VALLEY CENTER, CALIFORNIA, SEPTEMBER, 2023, UH, SHERMONT, NEW YORK, JULY, 2023. WARWICK, NEW YORK, JUNE, 2023, EAST HAMPTON, NEW YORK, UH, MAY, 2023. AND MELVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA, JANUARY OF 2023. THE RATIONALE BEHIND BUILDING ALL THESE LITHIUM ION FACILITIES IS SOUND. I BELIEVE THERE THAT THESE ARE A, UH, NEEDED PART OF OUR FUTURE POWER NEEDS. HOWEVER, THE RUSH TO BUILD ADJACENT TO SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, MAJOR HIGHWAYS AND LARGE HOUSING ADDITIONS IS PREMATURE. UH, UNTIL ALL THE CITY, COUNTY, AND STATE CODES AND REGULATIONS AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE CAUGHT UP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE LITHIUM ION ION BEST FACILITIES HAVE BEEN TIME TESTED. WE SHOULD ACT WITH CAUTION. UH, SO WHAT IS THE SAFE DISTANCE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'D FIRST ASK MYSELF, IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT FAILURE AT ONE OF THESE SITES, HOW FAR WOULD THE SHELTER IN PLACE EXTEND? OKAY. IF THAT SHELTER IN PLACE, UH, UH, PRECAUTION WOULD EXTEND TO FAR ELEMENTARY OR ANY OTHER SCHOOL OR CHURCH OR ANYTHING ELSE, THEN THAT'S TOO CLOSE. OKAY. UH, AS A FORMER RESIDENT OF THE SOUTH BEND SUBDIVISION LOCATED, UH, ADJACENT TO THE BRIO SUPERFUND SITE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT A SINGLE ACCIDENT DOES. IF A SINGLE ACCIDENT DOES OCCUR AT THESE SITES, BOTH THE CITY AND OWNERS OF THESE FACILITIES WILL BE TIED UP IN LAWSUITS FOR 10 YEARS OR MORE. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S NOT A THREAT. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THINGS ARE. AND YOU CAN GOOGLE THE LAWSUITS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FILED BY, BY RESIDENTS AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK NOW, JUST ON THE ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR. SO WE NEED TO TAKE CONSIDERATION AS TO HOW CLOSE WE'RE GONNA LOCATE THESE FACILITIES TO SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, MAJOR HIGHWAYS AND RESIDENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARY GIBSON. AND THEN KEVIN CONGER. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARY GIBSON AND I'M A 31 YEAR YEAR RESIDENT OF OAKS OF CLEAR CREEK. UH, SO THIS HAS BEEN AN UNEXPECTED, YET INTERESTING, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS. WHILE THE WORLD HAS STRUGGLED FOR YEARS TO ARGUABLY DEFINE THE BEST TECHNOLOGY FOR GLOBAL ENERGY DEMAND. OAKS OF CLEAR CREEK NEIGHBORS FOUND OURSELVES SUDDENLY THRUST INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY TRYING TO PREPARE FOR THEM. UH, THERE WASN'T THE COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH. I KNOW YOU DON'T OWE IT TO US, BUT IT JUST FELT LIKE WE WERE TOTALLY IN THE DARK. UM, SO WITH NO CLEAR PROCESS, WINTER RELATIVE TO THE TECHNOLOGY, THE BEST TECHNOLOGY FOR THE BEST UNITS, STAKEHOLDERS SEEM DRIVEN MORE BY PROFIT THAN LONG-TERM SAFETY OR RELIABILITY. THE BEST GLOBAL MARKET IS EXPECTED TO REACH 34 BILLION BY 2030. OVER 75% OF THOSE PLANNED INSTALLATIONS WILL BE BETWEEN TEXAS AND CALIFORNIA. AND BY 2025, TEXAS IS GONNA SURPASS CALIFORNIA IN THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS. SO WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, [00:10:01] THE PRESSURE FOR MORE BEST INSTALLS IS REAL, BUT MUST BE DEALT WITH, UM, CAREFULLY AND CONCISELY, NOT RUSHED, WHICH WE FELT WE WERE FIRST BEING DONE, BEING PUSHED INTO. SURELY THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL UNDERTAKE AS CITY SERVANTS. AS YOU WORK TO GENERATE LEAGUE CITY ORDINANCES FOR BEST UNITS. PLEASE CONSIDER WORST CASE SCENARIOS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, RISK ANALYSIS, SAFETY, AND OF COURSE LOCATION. MCDOWELL BUSINESS DEVELOPED MANAGER FOR SAFT BATTERIES. IF A BEST UNIT IS LOCATED TWO OR MORE MILES FROM A SUBSTATION, IT ONLY LOSES 5% OF ITS POWER. SO IF WE BUILD 95% PERFORMANCE RATE INTO A CONTRACT, THE BEST UNIT COULD BE BUILT FURTHER AWAY FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, PAR ELEMENTARY, AND MAYBE EVEN PUT ON THE HOMETOWN HERO'S PROPERTY. THAT'S STILL WITHIN A TWO MILE FRAME. AND IT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY CRU SURROUNDING ANY HOMES, CHURCHES, OR, UH, ELEMENTARIES. LEAGUE CITY VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER TURNOVER IS AVVO UNAVOIDABLE. LEAGUE CITY MUST ENSURE EVERY NEW VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER IS FULLY TRAINED UPON ASSIGNMENT. THIS IS CRITICAL SINCE SITES ARE MONITORED REMOTELY AND THE PEREGRINE SITE TECH WILL NOT ARRIVE FOR APPROXIMATELY AN HOUR AFTER THE BEGINNING OF ANY ONE EVENT. FINALLY, IS COUNSELING WORKING? IS COUNSEL WORKING WITH AN INSURANCE COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES IN BEST UNITS TO ENSURE ALL RISKS ARE ADDRESSED? IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO SOME OF THESE COMPANIES THAT ENSURE BEST UNITS, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE TO IT THAN I REALIZE, AND I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF READING THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE TOO. UM, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED IN LEAGUE CITY FOR 42 YEARS, AND WE WILL BE RETIRING AND MOVING WITHIN A FEW YEARS. SO WE LIKELY WON'T BE IMPACTED BY THIS, BE THESE BEST UNITS. BUT HAVING WORKED IN THE POWER AND ENERGY SECTOR MYSELF FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND EXPERIENCING CATASTROPHIC EVENTS FROM ONE SIMPLE ERROR, I CAN'T LEAVE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS WITHOUT PURSUING THE BEST SATISFACTORY RESOLUTION FOR THEM. WHEN I MOVE AWAY. LAKE CITY BOASTS HIGH, 80 TO 90% CITIZEN SATISFACTION RATES FOR A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE. FAMILY FRIENDLY, SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. IT IS YOUR JOB TODAY TO ENSURE BEST UNITS COEXIST WITH OUR CITIZENS WHILE IMPROVING THEIR LIFESTYLE, NOT JUST LIVING WITH IT, BUT THE GOAL IS TO IMPROVE. THANK YOU, KEVIN CONGER AND CHRISTINE THOMAS'. NEXT. GOOD EVENING. I'M KEVIN CONGER WITH PEREGRINE ENERGY SOLUTIONS. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY WE SUPPORT LEAGUE CITY DEVELOPING THIS ORDINANCE SO THAT WAY YOUR RESIDENTS CAN BENEFIT FROM THESE PROJECTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BUILT SAFELY AND CORRECTLY. AND THEN ALSO JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HERE IN THE BACK, IN CASE ANY QUESTIONS COME UP DURING THE WORKING SESSION WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT FROM US. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. CHRISTINE THOMAS. AND THEN IT'S CHUCK DEFALCO. I SHOULD HAVE CHECKED WITH MY NEIGHBORS BEFORE I PUT MY NEIGHBOR DOWN ON THE LIST BECAUSE THEY'VE REALLY COVERED EVERYTHING. AND I'LL JUST REITERATE THAT I, I THINK, UH, WITH THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD OF OUR NEIGHBORS, THERE ARE CERTAINLY ALL KINDS OF CONCERNS. THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF CONCERNS. UH, BUT ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS THAT EVERYTHING SEEMS TO COME DOWN TO IS LOCATION. AND IT NEEDS TO BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM CITIZENS THAT WE ARE NOT AFFECTED. AND 200 FEET IS CRAZY. SORRY MA'AM, BUT THAT'S NUTS . SO THANK YOU. CHUCK DE FALCO, THEN BECKY ELDRIDGE, CHUCK DE FALCO, 2118 EASTLAND COURT. UM, ABOUT, I LIVE ABOUT A MILE FROM THE EXISTING FACILITY, UH, AT THE END OF FLOYD ROAD. I VISITED THERE. UM, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED HOW SMALL IT WAS, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD THING. I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION'S IMPORTANT. BUT, UH, I WAS ALMOST IN THE SHADOW OF THIS GIANT LEAGUE CITY WATER TOWER. I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN A MINUTE. YES, I'M INTERESTED IN, UM, ELECTRICAL STORAGE FACILITY DETAILS, ESPECIALLY PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES RELATED TO FIRE AND FLOODING EVENTS. BUT [00:15:01] I'M DEFINITELY MORE INTERESTED IN THE PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES. SO THIS ISSUE CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. THEY WERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING. UM, MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IF I WERE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, WHAT BENEFIT IS THIS TO LEAGUE CITY? UM, WHAT BENEFIT IS IT TO THE RESIDENTS IN LEAGUE CITY? SO FOR A SMALL FACILITY BALL, A SMALL BATTERY ELECTRICAL STORAGE FACILITY, HOW MANY HOMES WOULD THIS, UM, FACILITY, UH, POWER AND FOR HOW LONG DURING, UH, AN EXTENDED POWER OUTAGE? YOU CAN START WITH THE ONE IN FLOYD ROAD OR THE RECENTLY PROPOSED ONE. UM, AND WITH THESE FACILITIES DURING ROLLING BLACKOUTS LIKE LEAGUE CITY EXPERIENCED IN 20, THE WINTER OF 2021, UM, FOR MANY, MANY HOURS ON END, WOULD THE GRID REALLY ACCEPT ELECTRICITY FROM THESE STORAGE FACILITIES? AND WOULD THESE STORAGE FACILITIES ACTUALLY PROVIDE ELECTRICITY FOR THE WATER TOWERS? THE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A PROFIT ISSUE. IT'S A PUBLIC SERVICE ISSUE. IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, WATER PRESSURE GOES DOWN, THOSE THINGS WILL KICK IN, RIGHT? THEY SHOULD. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROFIT. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SERVICE, PUBLIC SERVICE. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S NO PROFIT DURING THE, UH, BLACKOUTS TO PUT ELECTRICITY BACK ON THE GRID? ARE THESE FACILITIES, UH, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES JUST GONNA SIT THERE? UM, OR IS THIS JUST, IS THIS WHOLE THING REALLY JUST A GRAB FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THAT LEAGUE CITY POLICY MAKERS SO WANT TO GET SO DESPERATELY? I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU. BECKY ELDRIDGE, AND THEN PEGGY SAYLER. I'M BECKY ELDRIDGE. I'VE LIVED IN THE OAKS OF CLEAR CREEK FOR ALMOST 31 YEARS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AMEN TO EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN TONIGHT. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT IN ADDITION TO THE RISK ASSESSMENTS AND GUIDELINES, THAT THERE ALSO BE A VETTING PROCESS BE PUT IN PLACE. IN MEETING WITH CYPRESS CREEK RENEWABLES AND PEREGRINE ENERGY ASSOCIATES, THERE WERE HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THE WAY THEY APPROACH, UM, THESE PROJECTS. JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUILD HERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY SHOULD. SO PLEASE CONSIDER A VETTING TYPE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT WHOEVER IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO BUILD HERE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IT'S INEVITABLE, UM, THAT THEY ARE THE RIGHT ONES TO DO IT, AND THEY'RE THE SAFEST ONES TO DO IT. THANK YOU. . PEGGY SAILOR, 1802 RAMPART. I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR POSTING THE MATERIALS IN ADVANCE OF THE WORK SESSION. FOR THOSE OF US WHO, WHO LIKE TO STUDY THE ISSUE, IT'S IMPERATIVE. WE HAVE INSIGHT INTO WHAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED BEFORE WE ASK TO PUBLICLY SPEAK. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, AND I HOPE THAT SETS A PRECEDENCE FOR HOW WE HANDLE MATERIALS AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE. FOR WORKSHOPS, I HAD, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO MONITOR, UH, THE HEARING AT THE STATE, UH, MONDAY. AND IT WAS THE HOUSE, UH, STATE AFFAIRS, UH, HEARING, UH, CHAIRED BY, UH, TODD HUNTER, AND IT SPECIFICALLY DEALT WITH, UH, ERCOT AND, UM, THE PUC AND ADDITIONALLY TALKED ABOUT THE GRID. IF ONE LISTENS TO THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION AND THE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE AND THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE ON THE GRID, WE ALL OUGHT TO STAND UP AND SAY, WHAT IS IT WE CAN DO TO HELP THIS? I HAD NO IDEA HOW CLOSE WE CAME IN MAY OF, OF A FAILURE. I I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. NOW, THERE IS A 16% CHANCE IN AUGUST THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROLLING BLACKOUT. ADDITIONALLY, THE DATA IS COMING IN THAT SAYS BY 2030, IF, IF THE, IF THE INFLUX OF BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS CONTINUE, UH, IN OUR STATE, WE WILL EXCEED OUR CAPACITY. THAT SCARES THE HECK OUTTA ME. SO TO THAT END, AFTER LISTENING TO THE P AND Z MEETINGS, UH, ATTENDING MANY MEETINGS, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'VE COVERED [00:20:01] IN THE ORDINANCE PRIMARILY ADDRESSES ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT I THINK IS A PRIMARY CONCERN. LOCATION, OBVIOUSLY IS THE ISSUE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INFLUENCING ME, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S CORRECT, BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE HAD A BEST FACILITY IN OUR CITY AND WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, I FIND THAT AMAZING. NOT, NOT THE FACT THAT IT HAPPENED, BUT THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD IT AND NONE OF US HAVE BEEN AWARE OF IT. WE'VE NOT BEEN THREATENED BY IT. I GUESS WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T FEAR, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE'VE HAD A BEST FACILITY. SO, SO TO THAT END, I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US AS A COMMUNITY TO, TO FACE THE, THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE. I THINK OF THE ONE COMPANY I HAVE TALKED TO, AND I'VE TALKED TO THEM ALL, UH, PEREGRINE HAS BEEN THE ONE WHO HAS REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE NEVER MADE ME FEEL CENSORED BY ANY OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED. I ASKED THEM HARD QUESTIONS. I HOPE THE OTHER RESIDENTS DID. SO AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT IS WE WANNA HAVE, WHEN WE TALK TO COMPANIES, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH, IF THESE COMPANIES, UM, EXTEND AN INVITATION TO THE CITIZENS, THAT GOES A LONG WAY. PROMISES MEAN NOTHING, BUT WHAT THEY SAY IS VERY MEANINGFUL. OKAY, THANK [3. PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM SITES] YOU. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION REGARDING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM SITES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, DON'T THINK I NEED TO GO OVER WHAT A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM IS AGAIN, UM, BUT IN A NUTSHELL, STORES ENERGY AT TIMES OF LOW DEMAND AND RELEASES IT BACK INTO THE GRID AT TIMES OF HIGH DEMAND. UM, SO WE'RE HERE BECAUSE ON APRIL 23RD, UM, A BEST SITE CAME IN FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, COUNSEL HAD SOME CONCERNS RELATED TO THAT. AND, UM, HERE WE ARE TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS WITH A PROPOSED ORDINANCE. SO AS MENTIONED, THE BEST SITES ARE GONNA LOCATE NEAR ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS. WE HAVE SIX IN LEAGUE CITY. UM, WE'VE HAD THREE THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD INQUIRIES ABOUT OBVIOUSLY THE FLOYD ROAD. UM, STATION HAS AN EXISTING BEST SITE AND WE HAVE THE POWER STATION IN THE 6 46 WITH PROPOSED SITES. SO, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY CITIZENS AND THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UM, OBVIOUSLY SAFETY. UM, THERE'S PLUME MODELING. WORST CASE FIRE MODELING RISKS DURING FLOODING EVENTS, COST BURDENS ON EMERGENCY SERVICES, TRAINING FOR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, BONDING AND INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, DECOMMISSIONING PLAN AND BONDS, EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN, UM, MONITORING AND SECURITY OF THE SITE AND PROPERTY TAX COLLECTION. UM, THE ORDINANCE SHOULD ADDRESS ALL OF THESE CONCERNS. SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH IT, UM, SECTION BY SECTION. UH, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AT ANY TIME. UM, BUT FIRST, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY CLASSIFYING THIS AS A USE AS A PRIVATE UTILITY USE. SO THERE'LL BE NO CONFUSION IN THE FUTURE AS TO WHAT IT IS. UM, THE PRIVATE UTILITY USE, UM, DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC SPACE, AND LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. UM, AS PART OF THAT, WE REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL $5,000 FEE, UM, TO REVIEW AN SUP FOR ANY BEST SITE. AND IN THE ORDINANCE, WE ALSO SPECIFICALLY LIST THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, WE, WE TALK ABOUT A THIRD PARTY REVIEW IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL, AND WE MAKE THIS A REQUIREMENT. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE AS STAFF ARE NOT EXPERTS IN BEST SITES. SO, UM, WE WE'LL RELY ON THAT THIRD PARTY TO ASSESS THE SAFETY OF IT, REVIEW THE PERMITS, DO THE INSPECTIONS, UM, AND ANY OTHER MATTERS THAT WE FEEL UNSURE ABOUT RELATED TO THESE BEST SITES. MR. TRISTAN, HAVE WE FOUND QUALIFIED THIRD PARTY EXPERTS? YES, SIR. WE HAVE, UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE ON THE LINE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. UM, HIS NAME'S BOB DAVIDSON AND HE IS ON THE BOARD THAT ACTUALLY WRITES THE REGULATIONS FOR NFPA, UM, FOR THESE BEST SITES. AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM. CURRENTLY, WE'RE GONNA SELECT THE THIRD PARTY. WE DO, YES, WE SELECT THEM, WE GET BILLED BY THEM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL PAY FOR THOSE BILLS. CAN WE SHOOT A QUESTION NOW? UM, EXCUSE ME. CAN WE SHOOT QUESTIONS NOW? OR YOU CAN, IT MAY BE BETTER IF I JUST GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. OKAY. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME. UM, SO WE PUT A SECTION IN HERE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY. UM, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW NFPA AND IFC. UM, WE, WE SPECIFIED THE CODES, BUT WE ALSO SPECIFIED THAT AS THEY'RE UPDATED, UM, WE WILL UPDATE THEM AND FOLLOW THE MOST CURRENT STANDARD. UM, WE'LL REQUIRE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SITE PLAN, AIR MONITORING SYSTEM. UM, NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS, UM, FOR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT REVIEWED AS WELL AS OUR THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT. UM, NFPA 8 55 DOES REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN. WE PLACE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE SPECIFICS THAT ARE NEEDED WITH THAT. AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR FIRE MARSHAL AND THE [00:25:01] THIRD PARTY, UM, AND THEY ARE, THEY FIND IT TO BE SUFFICIENT. THE REGULATIONS WE'VE REQUESTED SETBACKS. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MENTION OF SETBACKS HERE. UM, SO I'LL GO OVER THIS SLIDE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. UM, BUT THE MINIMUM SETBACK OBVIOUSLY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH IT'S LOCATED. UM, IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE PERPETUATION OF THESE OR HAVING THEM ALL OVER THE CITY, WE PUT IN A CLAUSE THAT, HEY, YOU CAN'T BE CLOSER THAN 1500 FEET FROM ANOTHER BEST SITE. UM, OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEONE COMES THAT IS CLOSER THAN THAT, COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE IT. BUT, UM, THAT'S A STARTING POINT FOR US. AND THEN WE HAVE THE REGULATION NO CLOSER THAN 200 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY. UM, WE CAN INCREASE THOSE SETBACKS BASED ON PLUME MODELING. I'LL GET TO PLUME MODELING IN A MINUTE. UM, AND TESTING DATA, UM, PROXIMITY TO PIPELINES, RAILROAD TRACKS, OVERHEAD UTILITIES. UM, ALSO WE'RE DOING A FULL SCALE FIRE TEST WHERE THEY LIGHT ONE OF THESE ON FIRE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. UM, WE'LL GET THAT DATA WITH THE APPLICATION AS WELL. AND SO IF IT SHOWS ANY HARM TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR HOUSES, UM, WE CAN INCREASE THE SETBACKS, UM, IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE AS WELL. THAT'LL ALL BE PROVIDED WITH THE APPLICATION. CAN YOU SET A TIME AND A DATE AND A PLACE WHERE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO OBSERVE IT TOO. YEAH. UM, FROM A LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING AESTHETIC, UM, WE ARE REQUIRING A TYPE B BUFFER YARD, WHICH IS A 30 FOOT BUFFER YARD. UM, SO THAT'S 30 FOOT OF LANDSCAPE AREA WITH EIGHT TREES PER HUNDRED LINEAR FEET AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. UM, A MASONRY WALL ALSO MUST BE INSTALLED. THAT'S AT LEAST THE HEIGHT OF THE CONTAINERS. UM, SO THE CONTAINER HEIGHT CAN VARY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN A FLOOD PLAIN, YOU HAVE TO ELEVATE IT HIGHER, AND SO THAT MASONRY WALL WILL INCREASE OR DECREASE WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE CONTAINERS. UM, WE ALSO ADDED A CLAUSE THAT THAT MASONRY WALL SHALL MATCH THE STYLE, UM, AND MATERIAL OF ANY ADJACENT COMMUNITY AS REQUESTED BY MR. RESLER. UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT ASKED THAT WE ADD A CLAUSE IN THERE ABOUT THE, UM, WALL BEING DESIGNED TO WITHSTAND A BLAST DOOR, UM, FROM A CONTAINER AS WELL, AND A CONTINUOUS HEDGE WILL BE ALONG THE PERIMETER NOISE. UM, THESE SITES DON'T INHERENTLY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, UM, BUT THEY DO PUT OFF SOME NOISE. SO IF THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET OF A PROPERTY ZONE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE A NOISE STUDY BE PROVIDED, UM, INDICATING THE NOISE LEVEL IS AT AMBIENT LEVEL, UM, AT THAT SINGLE FAMILY . UM, THESE ARE REQUIRED TO BE REMOTE MONITORED 24 7. UM, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT A BACKUP POWER PLAN, UM, IN CASE POWER GOES OUT, THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE POWER SOURCE TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR THESE SITES. UM, THESE ARE THE UL LISTINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED OF BEST SITES. WE PLACE THEM IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. UM, FULL SCALE TESTING AT THE BOTTOM, UM, THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE THE LARGE SCALE DESTRUCTIVE FIRE TEST, UM, WHERE THEY LET IT ON FIRE. AND SO ALL THAT DATA WILL NEED TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE APPLICATION, UM, WILL REQUIRE THAT A TECHNICAL EXPERT, UM, BE ON HAND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND RESPOND TO ANY POTENTIAL EMERGENCIES, UM, FROM THE EVENT RESPONSE. UM, AS I MENTIONED, THAT TECHNICAL EXPERT WILL RESPOND WITHIN AN HOUR. ANY CITY COSTS RESPONDING TO AN EVENT WILL BE REIMBURSED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND ANY THIRD PARTY RESPONSE REQUESTED BY THE CITY WILL ALSO BE REIMBURSED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM AN INSURANCE STANDPOINT. UM, AS WE KNOW IT'S A CHANGING LANDSCAPE, SO, UM, WE DIDN'T PUT A SPECIFIC NUMBER IN HERE. UM, WE WILL SEND IT TO OUR RISK MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS IN HR. THEY WILL CONFER WITH, UM, TML TO DETERMINE THE PROPER RATE, UM, FOR INSURANCE AT THAT TIME. AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WILL ASSESS, UM, FROM FLOOD RISKS. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO, UM, COMPLY WITH OUR FLOOD ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S AN ELEVATION MITIGATION. ANYTHING THAT A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE, UM, COMPLY WITH. SO IF YOU HAVE A-B-F-E-A BASED FLOOD ELEVATION OF 15 FEET, THESE WOULD HAVE TO BE TWO FOOT ABOVE THAT. UM, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ELECTRICAL APPARATUS ON A HOUSE OR ANYTHING ELSE, UM, DECOMMISSIONING, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS. UM, SO THE SITE WILL BE REQUIRED TO RETURN TO THE PRE-DEVELOPED STATE. EVERYTHING REMOVED. UM, ANY ADVERSE SUBSTANCES THAT MAY HAVE ENTERED THE GROUND, UM, MUST BE REMOVED AND DISPOSED OF, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE A BOND FOR THE COST OF THAT. UM, AND THAT BOND ESTIMATE WILL BE SIGNED AND SEALED BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. UM, AND THERE'LL BE AN ESCALATOR ON IT AS WELL. UM, BASED ON INFLATION, UM, SIGNAGE AS WELL. THERE WILL BE A SIGN POSTED AT THE FACILITY. UM, THIS, THERE'S DISPLAY REQUIREMENTS ON THIS EMERGENCY CONTACT, WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THIS FACILITY. UM, AND THE SIGN MUST BE INSPECTED ANNUALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY LEGIBLE AND STILL POSTED. PLUME MODELING, UM, THIS IS A BIG, BIG TICKET ITEM AS WELL. AND SO THE, THE ORDINANCE WILL READ THAT THE, UM, PLUME MODELING IS REQUIRED FOR WORST CASE SCENARIOS. SO IF THERE'S HOUSES AND THE WIND'S BLOWING JUST AT THE RIGHT AMOUNT, UH, PUSH THE PLUME TO THE HOUSES, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT MODELED. UM, IF THERE'S FOG, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UM, THIS WILL BE FOR BOTH FLAMING AND NON FLAMING [00:30:01] SCENARIOS. THIS WILL BE, UM, PAID FOR BY THE CITY AND REIMBURSED BY THE APPLICANT. SO WE WON'T RELY ON THAT. UM, DATA PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THIS WILL BE ANOTHER THIRD PARTY CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH A PLUME MODELING AGENCY. WE'VE REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL AND GOT SOME QUOTES FOR THAT AS WELL. SO WE ARE PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WHAT'S THE BALLPARK FOR? YOU'RE LOOKING ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO $35,000. UM, PROPERTY TAX AGREEMENT. WE HAVE A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE THEM TO ENTER INTO A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES AGREEMENT. UM, THAT'S TO QUESTIONING CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY GOING DOWN OR ANY TAX ABATEMENTS. AND THEN, UM, BASICALLY IF THEY TRANSFER OWNERSHIP THAT THAT NEW OWNER WILL BE SUBJECT TO ALL OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE SUP AND THE ORDINANCE ON THAT PILOT. IS IT GONNA BE, IS IT GONNA ESCALATE SOMEHOW? THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD HAVE ON A PER CASE BASIS, BUT LIKELY WE WOULD PUT IN SOME SORT OF ESCALATOR. IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL. AND THAT'S THE ORDINANCE IN A NUTSHELL. AND AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE THIRD PARTY EXPERT, UM, ON THE LINE. UM, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT'S HERE AS WELL. UM, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. MR. X? YEAH. HEY, UH, CHRIS, MAYBE THIS SILLY QUESTION. UH, THE SUP REQUIREMENT IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY, CORRECT? YES, SIR. FOR 100% OF THE SITE. SO TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT HERE AND, AND SPOKE YOUR CONCERNS THERE, WELL HEARD, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, IS THAT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY WEIGHING IN ON ONE SINGLE SITE. I THINK SOME, SOME COMMENTS, UH, ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY FROM SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO. AND I THINK WE'RE TAKING THE RESPONSIBLE STEP BECAUSE THESE AREN'T GOING AWAY. THEY'RE GONNA BE, OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO COME IN AND BUILD. AND SO BY SETTING THESE STANDARDS FORWARD, UH, WE CAN MAKE BETTER INFORMED DECISIONS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE, MR. RES. ALL RIGHT. APOLOGIES. AND VANCE, BEAR WITH ME. THIS MIGHT BE A MULTI-PART QUESTION FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS. UM, FIRST, UM, FOR C ATTORNEY, MAYBE, UM, ONE THING THAT, THAT ONE OF THE CITIZENS, I BELIEVE IT WAS MRS. ELDRIDGE MENTIONED IS, UH, THERE'S BEEN AN OVERWHELMINGLY DIFFERENT RESPONSE FROM THE CITIZENS REGARDING, UM, ONE PROJECT VERSUS OTHERS. UM, AND ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS VETTING THE, THE QUALITY OF THE APPLICANTS. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT GET US INTO SOME LEGALLY QUESTIONABLE AREAS. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YES. YES. BUT, OKAY. SO HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK OUR DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TO FIGURE OUT THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED BY THAT ONE DEVELOPER THAT HAVE MADE FOLKS MORE COMFORTABLE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE BUILT INTO THIS AS THE MINIMUM, THEREBY FORCING ALL FOLKS TO LIVE UP TO THAT STANDARD. UM, AND THEY'RE NOT PREPARED TO DO IT, THEN THEY JUST WON'T MEET IT. SO, UM, AND THIS IS NOT TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SALES PITCH HERE, BUT IF, UM, WE COULD GET A SUMMARY, UM, OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SPOKEN THAT FOLKS ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW ONE OF 'EM, UM, I THINK THEY'RE GOING BEYOND OUR, OUR FLOOD REQUIREMENT TO A HIGHER LEVEL. UM, I THINK, UH, WHEN THEY WERE ASKED ABOUT WINDSTORM, THEY MENTIONED RATED FOR CAT FIVE, WHICH I DON'T THINK WAS IN OUR THINGS. AND THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK TO AS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE THE REQUIREMENT. UM, SO IN THE INTEREST OF TIME TONIGHT, I WOULD ASK THAT WE TALK TO THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE LISTS OF THINGS WERE AND ALSO TALK TO SOME OF THESE CITIZENS WHO SPOKE ABOUT IT TONIGHT TO GET THE LIST OF THINGS THAT MADE THEM COMFORTABLE AND SEE IF THEY GO BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED SURE. TO PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SEE IT TO VOTE ON. WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN LEAVE MY CARD ON THE TABLE THERE, UM, AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING, UM, LIKE MR. TRESSLER MENTIONED, THEY CAN SHOOT ME AN EMAIL AND BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT. AND THAT WAY WE GET THAT WITHOUT BEN TOM CRUISE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO CHRIS, THE ONLY THING THAT THAT KIND OF CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SETBACK, UH, 200 FEET AND THE, THE STATEMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, MOVE IT BACK. IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE HAVING [00:35:01] QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD MOVE IT BACK, I WOULD THINK THAT WE SHOULD START BACK FURTHER THAN 200 FEET AND THEN WE CAN MOVE CLOSER RATHER THAN GO AHEAD AND SAY AT 200, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO GO BACK FURTHER. SO HOW DID 200 FEET COME INTO PLAY? SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, AND 200 FEET IS NOT A, IT'S NOT A NATIONAL NUMBER WHERE IT SHOULD BE THAT FAR AWAY. BASICALLY WHAT THEY'VE SAID IS, UM, BASED ON THE MODELING, IF IT, IF, IF IT SAYS, IF THE MODELING DOESN'T SHOW ANY PLUME GOING MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET, THAT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, WE JUST WANTED IT SET BACK FAR ENOUGH FROM RESIDENTIAL AND THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. UM, BUT IF IT DID, BUT IF THE MODELING SHOWS THAT THE PLUME MAY AFFECT THESE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WE CAN ALWAYS GO FURTHER. BUT WE CAN SET THE NUMBER AT WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT. OKAY. SO, SO THIS IS THE, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE CITY TEAM CAME UP WITH THE 200? IT IS, YES. THANK YOU, SIR. SO FOR CLARITY, IT'S 200 AT A MINIMUM IT CAN GOLAR FURTHER IF THE PLUME STUDY IT, IT CAN CERTAINLY GO UP. AND, AND MY, THE FIRE, FIRE CHIEF HERE JUST AND LET ME KNOW THAT 200 IS ACTUALLY THE NFPA REQUIREMENT. SO, OKAY, SO NP 8 55 STATES THE MINIMUMS 200 FOOT SETBACK. HOWEVER, WHAT CHRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE INCREASED PART IS WHEN WE GET THE FLUE MODELING AND IF FLUE MODELING SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER BACK AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA CREATE THE FURTHER SETBACK. BUT THE MINIMUM SAFETY STANDARD FOR MPA IS 200 FEET. MAKES SENSE. MSS, WE'RE WORKING WITH A THIRD PARTY AS EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT, AND I'M ON, I LEAVE THERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH A THIRD PARTY ADVISOR ON THIS. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITY IN THIS AREA THAT HAS THESE BEST FACILITIES GOING, COMING IN, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I KNOW THERE, THERE'S ONE COMING IN THE COUNTY AREA, WHICH THAT'S COUNTY, THAT'S NOT CITY. ARE WE WORKING WITH SIMILAR CONSULTANTS? DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR OWN CONSULTANT? I MEAN, ARE WE WORKING TOGETHER, TRY AND MAKE, UM, A STANDARD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY? SURE. SO YEAH, WE, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH PEER CITIES. UM, I KNOW TEXAS CITY RIGHT NOW IS IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING FORWARD AN ORDINANCE. UM, THEY SHARED THEIR ORDINANCE WITH US AS WELL, AND, AND WE TOOK SOME FROM WHAT THEY USED. OKAY. UM, BUT OUR CONSULTANT IS NOT THE SAME THAT IS BEING USED BY TEXAS CITY. AMEN. AND ONE OF THE CITIZENS BROUGHT UP THAT THESE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED TO BE LOCATED NEAR A SUBSTATION THAT YOU SHOULD REDUCE 5% OR JUST 5% OF THE CAPACITY. IS THAT A FACT? BECAUSE TO ME, IN LOOKING AT THE, AT THE ORDINANCE, YOU'RE KIND OF THE FURTHER THE SETBACK GOES, I MEAN, I THINK THE WHOLE BUSINESS MODEL REQUIRES THAT YOU BE CLOSE TO THE SUBSTATION. I, I'D PROBABLY DEFER THAT QUESTION TO THE ACTUAL APPLICANTS. I CAN TELL YOU AS YOU GET FURTHER AWAY, IT GETS DIFFICULT 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA FIND EASEMENTS AND WAYS TO GET BACK TO THE SUBSTATION. UM, BUT I'D, I'D DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT. RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU WELL, CAN YOU ASK THE, CAN YOU ASK THE SPECIALIST IF THAT'S ACTUALLY, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT'S GONNA GO, OH NO, WE NEED IT RIGHT WHERE, UH, WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. SO, UH, CAN YOU ASK THE SPECIALIST OR YOU SAID HE'S ONLINE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SURE, WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL HIM UP. CAN IT PULL UP THE SPECIALIST PLEASE? MR. DAVIDSON? MR. DAVIDSON, WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THAT QUESTION? COULD, COULD YOU REPEAT IT? YEAH, JUST ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE CITIZENS MADE THE COMMENT THAT THESE SITES REALLY DON'T EVEN NEED TO BE LOCATED NEAR A SUBSTATION, WHICH TO ME WAS A, A WORKING ASSUMPTION UP UNTIL THE FIRST TIME I'D HEARD THAT. UH, AND SO I JUST WAS WANTING TO KNOW FROM AN EXPERT IF THAT'S THE FACT, THE, UH, THE, THEY REALLY NEED TO BE BY THE SUBSTATION FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN YOU HAVE, THEN YOU IMPACT IT BASED ON HOW YOU'RE GETTING THE POWER BACK AND FORTH FROM THE SUBSTATION. ALRIGHT? SO THEY'D HAVE TO, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPERTY EASEMENT TO RUN THOSE, RUN THAT POWER. THEY'D HAVE TO CALCULATE LINE LOSS RIGHT THERE. THERE'S MULTIPLE FACTORS THAT GET INTO THAT. IT'S BEST IF THEY ARE. AND, AND, UM, AND WE'RE, I, I DO REVIEWS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY. ONE OF 'EM IS KERN COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, WHERE WE HAVE MORE ENERGY STORE IN INSTALLED THERE THAN ANYWHERE IN THE NATION, PROBABLY IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. UM, AND EVEN WITH, THEY'RE NOT BY A SUBSTATION, THEY BUILD A SUBSTATION NEXT TO THE UTIL UTILITY SCALE INSTALLATIONS, UM, BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER FACTORS THAT PLAY IN. RIGHT. SO TO SUM THAT UP, YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD THE TRANSMISSION LINES TO THE SUBSTATION, CORRECT? CORRECT. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WHOLE RUB HERE IS THAT THESE SUBSTATIONS ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO WE HAVE TO, AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN LEGISLATE THAT FACT OUT. AND [00:40:01] AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF WE WERE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE, WELL, IT HAS TO BE 300 FEET, BUT THE APPLICANTS WHO'VE ALREADY BOUGHT THE LAND CAN'T ACTUALLY BUILD THERE. I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT WOULD BE JUST, UH, JUST AS RISKY FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT AS THE LIST ON THE OTHER RISK ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM, BUT ALSO BALANCE THAT AGAINST, UH, THE OTHER RISKS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE DEALT WITH AS A CITY SUCH AS OIL DRILLING, UM, PETROCHEMICAL LINES GOING, I, I LIVED IN OAKS, CLEAR CREEK. THERE'S A HUGE LINE RIGHT BEHIND THE, THE BACK OF, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE THAT, UH, I, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S ALSO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT AND THAT IS THE GRID ON A STATE LEVEL DOES SEEM TO HAVE PROBLEMS. THIS SEEMS TO BE THE MARKET TRYING TO ADDRESS THESE COMING BROWNOUTS AND, UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THE RISK OF THE CITY TO NOT, OF NOT HAVING ELECTRICITY TO THE RISK OF US, YOU KNOW, HAVING A FIRE AND POTENTIALLY GET HURT. SO, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU, FOR FROM THE OAKS, I TOTALLY GET IT. UM, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THESE ARE GOING AWAY. I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GONNA END UP, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE ONE, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO BUILD THESE. WE JUST WANNA DO IT IN THE SAFEST WAY POSSIBLE. UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT. THANK YOU MR. . YEAH, MY QUESTION IS, IS ABOUT THE, UH, THE PLUME MODELING, MAYBE THE WAY ORDINANCE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES THE PLUME MODELING. UM, SETBACK SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST CONCERN HERE FOR A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS. AND, UH, OUR SETBACKS CAN BE DETERMINED BY THE PLUME MODELING RESULTS. SO IN OUR ORDINANCE, 3.1, 4.19 QI THINK IT IS, UM, WE'RE DOING OUR PLUME MODELING BASED OFF OF WORST CASE SCENARIO OF VARYING WEATHER CONDITIONS EXPECTED TOXIC GAS IS WHERE THE REACH, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WORST CASE. CLEAR IT UP FOR ME IF IT IS, BECAUSE THE NEXT, THE NEXT SENTENCE IN THAT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT MODELING OF MULTIPLE BEST ENCLOSURES FAILING IS ONLY REQUIRED WHERE TESTING INDICATES IT'S REASONABLY EXPECTED. SO WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T IT BE REASONABLY EXPECTED THAT THAT WOULD BE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO? BOB, YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? YEAH, BOB DAVIDSON. SO UNDER THE CURRENT, UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND UNDER NFP 8 55, THE WAY THAT THESE ARE REQUIRED TO BE, UH, BUILT AND TESTED THAT, THAT AND INSTALLED, IS THAT YOU CAN CONSUME ONE OF THOSE UNITS COMPLETELY AND IT WILL NOT PROPAGATE AND SPREAD TO THE NEXT UNIT. UM, AND THAT'S INTENTIONAL. UM, IT'S A PRETTY STIFF REQUIREMENT. AND THE REASON IS WE CAN'T, WE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN'T PUT IT OUT. RIGHT. YOU CAN'T PUT IT OUT. SO WE WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO BE CONSUMED IT IF YOU, ONCE IT'S CONSUMED, IT'S A QUICKER EVENT, BUT IT WILL NOT SPREAD THAN AN EIGHT ONE UNIT. SO ONE UNIT BURNING IS BASED ON CODE. WHAT WE LOOK AT, WORST CASE, WORST CASE SCENARIO, UM, AND IF THEY MEET THE STANDARDS, TAKES A CATASTROPHIC EVENT TO OVERCOME ALL THOSE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ANYWAY AND HAVE, AND HAVE ONE BURN. UM, BUT THEN WE HAVE A, THAT OTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION ON TOP OF OKAY, BUT ONE COULD BE CONSUMED WITHOUT SPREADING TO THE NEXT, SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING IT IS NOT POSSIBLE, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THESE THINGS TO CATCH FIRE. ONE OF THE NEXT, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS ON FIRE, YOU KNOW, CATASTROPHIC LIGHTNING STRIKE OR SOMETHING. BUT I, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IF THEY ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE CODES, THEN THE DESIGN IS THAT ONE CAN BURN UP WITHOUT SPREADING THE NEXT UNIT, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PROVE THAT WITH LARGE SCALE DESTRUCTIVE FIRE TESTS. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SURE, TOM, THANK YOU. SO CHRIS, JUST GOING BACK TO THE, JUST GOING BACK TO THE, THE PLUME THING IS WHEN WE DO THE PLUME STUDY, WELL WHEN, WHEN WE TALK TO A COUPLE OF THE APPLICANTS BEFORE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PARAGON WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEIR UNITS ARE BETTER, THEY'RE NOT THIS, THEY'RE NOT MADE IN CERTAIN COUNTRIES. SO WHEN WE DO A PLUME TEST, DO WE, WHICH DO WE USE? DO WE HAVE TO TEST ONE FOR EVERY MANUFACTURER OR DO WE HAVE, OR IS THERE, WE'RE GONNA COVER AND SAY THIS IS HOW YOU HAVE TO MANUFACTURE 'EM. SO I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE PLUMING [00:45:01] STUDYING THE RIGHT PLUME? AREN'T WE REQUIRING A PLUME STUDY FROM EACH APPLICANT? YES, IT WOULD BE BASED ON WHATEVER THAT SPECIFIC APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. THE PLUME STUDY WOULD THEN BE DONE BASED ON WHATEVER TECHNOLOGY THEY'RE USING AND THE BATTERIES. SO IT WOULD BE CASE SPECIFIC. EACH ONE WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN PLUME STUDY DONE. THANK YOU. SAME WITH THE CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. YES. ALRIGHT. YEAH. ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, IT IT'S MORE ABOUT THE MONITORING SYSTEMS. SO, UH, HOW DO THE, THIS IS PROBABLY FOR KEVIN OR, OR CAMERON. HOW, HOW DO THESE MODELING SYSTEMS PREVENT THERMAL RUNWAY, THESE MONITORING SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE? HOW, HOW DO THEY, HOW DO THEY PREVENT THERMAL RUNAWAY? IT MAY BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR BOB AS WELL. YEAH, I'M SURE WE'LL ASK HIM BOTH. BOB, GO FIRST. SO LET'S BOB DAVIDSON GO FIRST AND THEN BOB NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. HEY, HEY. JUST, SORRY, SORRY. LET'S GO WITH THE PERSON WE PAID, NOT THE VENDOR. . ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GO WITH THE PERSON WE PAID BOB. SO THIS IS BOB DAVIDSON. SO THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODES AND STANDARDS IS THAT THESE UNITS BE UL 95 40 LISTED, THE INSIST SYSTEM IS 95, 40 LISTED. 95, 40 IS AN UPPER LEVEL SYSTEMS LEVEL LISTING. THERE'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS WITH THEIR OWN LISTINGS WITHIN AND UNDER THAT. UM, AND PART OF THAT IS THE BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. AND IT, AND A BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM MONITORS EACH INDIVIDUAL CELL, IN OTHER WORDS, MONITORS IT FOR, UH, HOW IT'S CHARGING, HOW IT'S DISCHARGING, WHETHER IT'S GETTING A LITTLE OVER TEMPERATURE AND HAS THE ABILITY TO ISOLATE THOSE CELLS AND TO PREVENT, TO PREVENT FROM OCCURRING. SO WHEN THEY BUILD UNITS ACCORDING TO YOUR 95 40, UM, PART OF THAT IS UL 1973. UM, AND WHAT UL 1973 DOES IS EVEN IF A MODULE HAD A SINGLE CELL FAILURE, RIGHT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SPREAD TO AN NEXT CELL, RIGHT? YOU DON'T GET PROPAGATION TO THE REST OF THE CELLS. SO THE, THE STANDARD AS WRITTEN THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET CONTROLS THAT, RIGHT? UM, BUT ON TOP OF THAT, THESE UNITS TEND ALSO GO IN WITH SMOKEY DETECTION SYSTEMS, GASSY DETECTION SYSTEMS, OTHER LEVEL SYSTEMS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, THAT ARE SUPERVISED, UH, BY FAR FIRE ALARM CONTROL PANEL GO TO SUPERVISING STATION, UM, SO THAT ANY EVENT THAT CAUSES SMOKE, ET CETERA, GETS, GETS, UH, REPORTED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RIGHT AWAY. BUT THE PRIMARY LISTING IS THAT YOU DON'T GET THE EVENT. UM, AND WHEN WE WROTE THE STANDARDS AND HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE INDUSTRY, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEFENSE WOULD BE, OKAY, IF WE MEET THESE STANDARDS, WE SHOULD BE GOOD. WE'RE LIKE, WELL NO, BECAUSE THAT STANDARD COVERS NORMAL OPERATING PROCEDURES. IF THERE'S A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, AND WHEN YOU READ ABOUT THESE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED, IT WOULD A CATASTROPHIC EVENT THAT OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT THE SAFETY STANDARD DOESN'T, DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR. THAT'S WHEN WE GET THOSE EVENTS. BUT THEN AGAIN, WE REQUIRE IT THAT WELL ONE CAN BURN UP AND THEN IT WON'T SPREAD THE NEXT. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE LEVELS OF PROTECTION BUILT INTO THE CODES AND STANDARDS. ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, BOB, WITH THE HAT, UM, THE TWO STANDARDS YOU MENTIONED, I THINK IT WAS 95 40 IN 1973 AND THEY COVERED THE MONITORING, THE, THE INCIDENTS OF, OF FIRES THAT THE GUY READ THE LIST OF THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS HERE IN THE US. HAVE ANY OF THOSE INCIDENCES OCCURRED AT PLACES THAT WERE BUILT TO THAT COMBINATION OF STANDARDS? DO WE KNOW? SO SOME YES, I KNOW SOME, YES. UM, A LOT OF THE INCIDENTS, UM, THAT OCCURRED IN THIS, IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ROOT CAUSE OF A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE WATER INFILTRATION THAT, UH, SYSTEMS FAILED AND, AND FLOODED THE UNITS. AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THE EVENT. UM, SO IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, B-M-S-A-B-M-S DOESN'T MAN MANAGE THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE CALL A CATASTROPHIC EVENT. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE MULTIPLE LAYERS OF, OF PROTECTION. DID ANY OF THESE FAILURES RESULT IN LOSS OF LIFE OR ANY TYPE OF POISONING OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD, WOULD, YOU KNOW, COULD POSSIBLY HURT OUR CITIZENS? SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE HAD AN INCIDENT IN ARIZONA. UH, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THAT UNIT WAS NOT BUILT TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS OF CARE THAT WE HAVE NOW, RIGHT? IT WAS, IT WAS BEFORE WE EVEN HAD ANYTHING IN THE FIRE, IN A FIRE CODE, [00:50:01] STARTING WITH 2018 FIRE CODES, UM, THAT INCIDENT, UM, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF THE HAZARDS BECAUSE THE SYSTEMS DIDN'T MEET WHAT WE REQUIRE NOW ENDED UP WITH A DEFLAGRATION AND INJURED, UH, THREE FIREFIGHTERS, ONE OF THEM SERIOUS. HE, YOU KNOW, HE'S THOUGH HE'S BACK AT WORK, HE'S ON, HE'S ON LIGHT DUTY, HE HASN'T BEEN AUTHORIZED, RETURNED TO WORK NOW, GOT ACTIVE FIREFIGHTING YET. UM, AND THEN THERE WAS AN INCIDENT OVER IN CHINA, WHICH W DOESN'T USE OUR STANDARDS, UM, WHERE THEY, WHERE WE HAD TWO FIREFIGHTERS KILLED, UM, FOR ONE, ONE A UNIT, DERATED. UM, ALL THE OTHER UNITS THAT EVENTS WE'VE HAD HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, UM, FORTUNATELY HAVEN'T ENDED UP IN SERIOUS INJURIES OR DEATHS. SO, SO JUST TO REITERATE, ALL LOSS OF LIFE WAS FROM FIREFIGHTER PERSONNEL. UM, NO, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A SITUATION ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHERE THIS LIT A NEIGHBORHOOD ON FIRE OR THERE WAS SOME SORT OF CATASTROPHIC POISONING, UH, THAT WAS CAUSED, LIKE SAY, YOU KNOW, BEING FROM PORT ARTHUR, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE CHEMICAL RELEASES SOMETIMES AND YOU'D SHELTER IN PLACE. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, THERE, THERE WAS A REPORT ISSUED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK ON THE LAST THREE INCIDENTS THAT THEY HAD. UM, AND IN THOSE INCIDENTS THEY ANALYZED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THERE WAS, THERE WASN'T ANY OFFSITE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, WHETHER LAND OR AIR, AND THEY ISSUED THAT REPORT. ONE OF THE FIRST MAJOR INCIDENTS THAT, UM, CAUGHT A LOT OF ATTENTION ACTUALLY HAPPENED AUSTRALIA WITH A, WITH A PRODUCT. AND THAT UNIT, THAT INCIDENT WAS MONITORED, UM, FOR THE DURATION BY THE AUSTRALIAN HEALTH AUTHORITIES AND HAD, AND THEY HAD A SIMILAR ONE, UM, PLUME MODELS THAT I'VE SEEN. UM, TOXICITY, TOXICITY LEVELS OF PRODUCTS, UM, DON'T REALLY, DON'T GO BEYOND SEVERAL METERS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 3, 3, 4 METERS BASED ON THE MODELS THAT I'VE SEEN BASED ON WORST CASE SCENARIO. UM, DO WE WANT PE SOMEBODY IN THE SMOKE, A BREATHING OF SMOKE? ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE SHOULDN'T BE BREATHING SMOKE FROM ANY FIRE EVENT. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THE, BUT THE CATASTROPHIC LEVEL OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND, AND TOXICITY DANGERS WE HAVEN'T SEEN. ALRIGHT, WE, UH, YOU GUYS GO QUICK 'CAUSE WE STILL, I STILL WANT 'EM TO CATCH US UP ON THE DATES THAT GO BEYOND THIS AFTER THIS. HEY, HEY, BOB WAS THE, UH, LODD IN THE ARIZONA INCIDENT, WAS THAT RELATED TO FIRST RESPONDER TRAINING AT ALL? NO, THAT WAS NOT. SO THE, WHAT, WHAT OCCURRED THERE WAS, UM, THAT, UH, THE FI THE MAIN, THE PRIMARY FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONDING HAD BEEN TRAINED. IN FACT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE UNIT WAS THERE. THE, UH, THE ONLY THING A PERMIT WAS PULLED FOR WAS FOR THIS WAS FOR THE FOUNDATION AND THE SLAB. SO THEY, THEY WEREN'T AWARE IT WAS THERE WHAT THE HAZARDS WERE. UM, AND, UM, THE INFORMATION FROM THE UTILITY REPRESENTATIVE WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WASN'T AS IN DEPTH AS, AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. UM, SO THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF THE LEVEL OF HAZARDS WHEN THEY OPENED UP THAT DOOR. SEAN, UH, BOB GOT A QUICK QUESTION. UH, SOME OF THE PICTURES I'VE BEEN SHOWN HAVE BEEN THESE BATTERY FACILITIES BEING IN A SINGLE BUILDING, NOT IN INDIVIDUAL CONTAINERS. LIKE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IN LAKE CITY, LIKE YOU SAID, JUST RIGHT NOW ON THIS, THE FIREFIGHTERS DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS IN THERE. WAS THAT A SINGLE BUILDING FAILURE WHERE EVERYTHING WAS INSIDE THE BUILDING, THE GAS IS BUILT UP AND HAD CATASTROPHIC FAILURE FROM THAT, OR THESE INDIVIDUAL CONTAINER FAILURES? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THE, THE, IN ARIZONA, I WOULD, THAT'S AN ENCLOSURE. WE WOULD CALL IT AN ENCLOSURE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN REFER TO IT AS A STRUCTURE OR BUILDING IF YOU WANT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ENCLOSURE FOR THE INSTALLATION AND USING LARGE ENCLOSURES AS A COMMON WAY FOR DOING OUTDOOR, OUTDOOR INSTALLATIONS. UM, WE'VE HAD INCIDENTS INSIDE BUILDINGS THOUGH AS WELL. UM, I WOULD, I'LL SAY THAT, UM, THE OVER OVERALL MAJORITY OF THE ESS OEM MANUFACTURERS OUT THERE, THEY, THEY DO OUTDOOR INSTALLATIONS. THEY PROVIDE UNITS FOR OUTDOOR INSTALLATIONS. THE INTEGRATORS DO OUTDOOR INSTALLATIONS. UM, WE, WE, WE SEEM TO HAVE ONE OR TWO THAT WILL DO INDOOR. AND WHEN THEY DO THE INDOOR, UM, YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE OPEN RACK INSTALLATIONS IN THERE. SO THEY, THE WAY THEY MAN MANUFACTURE THE PRODUCT, THEY CAN DO, THEY CAN DO RACK INSTALLATION INSIDE A BUILDING OR THEY COULD DO RACK INSTALLATION INSIDE AN ENCLOSURE, YOU KNOW, A CONTAINER, UM, ENCLOSURE, CONTAINER, THAT'S A WORD WE BOUNCE BACK FORTH. EVEN THE CODE WRITING, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEST TO USE ENCLOSURE, BUT THE THING IS, THEY'RE ENCLOSED, RIGHT? SO WHETHER THEY'RE OUTSIDE OR INSIDE, THEY'RE ENCLOSED. AND, UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M EXTREMELY TIGHT ABOUT IS THAT DEFECATION HAZARD. I MEAN, I'M EXTREMELY TIGHT ABOUT IT. FIREFIGHTER SAFETY, EMPLOYEE SAFETY ON THAT [00:55:01] SITE IS CRITICAL. UM, AND UM, I HEARD ONE, I HEARD WHO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE FIRMS THAT'S IN THAT ROOM NOW, IF YOU ASK THEM WHAT LEVEL OF REVIEW THAT COMES OUT OF OUR FIRM ON THESE INSTALLATIONS, THEY'LL TELL YOU IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOUGHEST LEVEL REVIEWS THAT IT GETS DONE ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE WE GO OVER, OVER IT IN DETAIL AND MAKE SURE THE HAZARDS ARE DOCUMENTED AND THEY CAN, AND THEY CAN VALIDATE IT, PROVE TO US THESE HAZARDS WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. GREAT. WOULD YOU PLEASE GO OVER THE DATES AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING NEXT WITH THIS AND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS FROM HERE? YES, SIR. SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN NOTICED, UM, FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, COMMISSION PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL HEAR THIS ORDINANCE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO Y'ALL ON MONDAY THE 17TH. UM, AFTER THAT IT'LL COME TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, UM, FOR YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL ON THE 25TH OF JUNE. AND THEN THAT'LL BE READ TWICE, RIGHT? CORRECT. THERE'LL BE A SECOND READING ON JULY 9TH. OKAY. AND THEN FROM THERE THE APPLICANTS CAN GO AHEAD AND START SUBMITTING THEIR PAPER. I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE SUBMITTED, BUT THEN IT WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR ANY APPLICANTS THAT HAVE, CORRECT, YEAH, THERE'S STILL SOME OUTSTANDING WORK BASED ON THE NEW REGULATIONS THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE US MM-HMM. , UM, TO GET BACK TO Y'ALL. UM, BUT YES, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. WE WOULD RE-NOTICE THE SAME PEOPLE, UM, FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT TO COME BACK HERE. ALRIGHT. AND SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, ARE, AM I HEARING ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES, UM, FROM THE DIOCESE THAT YOU WANT WITH THIS ORDINANCE? I THINK WHAT WE WANT, WHAT I HEARD IS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO TAKE WHATEVER BEST PRACTICES, UH, THAT SOME OF THE APPLICANTS HAVE MADE AND THAT HAVE KIND OF ASSUAGED THE FEARS OF THE CITIZENS AND LOOK AT WHAT THOSE ARE AND FIND WAYS TO INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE ORDINANCE, UH, IF APPROPRIATE. OKAY. SO AS, AS I MENTIONED, I'LL LEAVE MY CARDS OUT HERE ON THE, ON THE DESK AS YOU EXIT. SO PLEASE JUST EMAIL ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES. FANTASTIC. ALRIGHT. AND NOW AT 5 56 THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.