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[1. Call to order and roll call of members]
WE'LL START THE MEETING WITH, UH, ROLL CALL.KELLY GREEN PRESENT, UH, SUSAN RICK PEARSON.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO, UH, VACANT POSITIONS AND MICHAEL HENDERSHOT HERE.
[2. Approval of October 19, 2023, minutes]
THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 19TH MINUTES.UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME AS BEING INCORRECT.
THE, UH, MINUTES COVERED, UH, THE APPROVAL OF A, UH, RELOCATION OF THE BARN INTO THE, UH, FACILITY THAT WAS, UH, GRANTED.
AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
THERE WAS THE DETAILS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT.
WHAT ABOUT AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION ON THE WINDOWS? UH, AND THEN, UH, OH, SO, UH, DOES, DO WE HEAR A, UM, MOTION? DO WE ACCEPT THAT, PLEASE? OKAY.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND? UH, HAVING, UH, HEARD A SECOND.
THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
SO THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UH, CITIZEN, UH, COMMUNICATIONS, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK? YOU GET YOUR, UH, CHANCE HERE IN A MINUTE.
[4.A. Hold a public hearing and take action on a Certificate of Appropriateness, HC-24-0008, a request to replace the windows of an existing single-family dwelling, with the address of 121 North Illinois Avenue. ]
MOVING TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS, UM, HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE ACTION ON A CERTIFICATE OF EFFECTIVENESS, HC 24 DASH 0 0 8.A REQUEST TO REPLACE WINDOWS OF AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY LINE WITH THE ADDRESS OF 1 21 NORTH ILLINOIS AVENUE.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, I'M ANN WILLIAMS, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE REQUEST IS TO REPLACE ALL THE SINGLE HUNG WIND HUNG METAL CASEMENT EXTERIOR WINDOWS OF AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, LOCATED AT 1 21 NORTH ILLINOIS AVENUE.
THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ARE SINGLE HUNG COMPOSITE CASEMENT WINDOWS.
THIS SLIDE IS THE, UM, VIEW OF THE HOME FROM SECOND STREET AND FROM NORTH ILLINOIS STREET, UM, TAKEN YESTERDAY.
AND HERE ARE THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE WINDOWS.
AND HERE ARE THE PROPOSED WINDOWS.
UM, THE PROPOSED WINDOWS WILL MATCH THE CURRENT PANE CONFIGURATION ON THE ALL WINDOWS.
THE TYPE OF WINDOW IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THE PROPOSED WINDOW MATERIAL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, ALTHOUGH NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE MATERIAL GIVES THE APPEARANCE OF METAL SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING WINDOWS OF THE HOUSE.
UM, I, WE PROVIDED A COST COMPARISON.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THERE IS, UH, QUITE A DIFFERENCE IN THE DIFFERENT, THE TOP ONE IS THE METAL, AND THEN THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMPOSITES.
THIS STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1948 IS IN AND IS CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT IN 2021, THE COM.
THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY GRANTED A COA FOR LIKE, FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT CASEMENT WINDOWS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
THE MATERIAL USED IN THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WOULD NOT BE AN EXACT REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
THE APPLICANT INDICATES THAT AN EXACT, LIKE, FOR LIKE, REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS, THE RAM WINDOWS ARE COST PROHIBITIVE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I GUESS I'M GONNA OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 0 4.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE YEAH, YEAH.
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THE BEST WE COULD TO, WE TRIED THE BEST WE COULD, UH, TO BRING THIS HOUSE BACK TO LIFE.UH, IT WAS HORRIBLE YEARS AGO.
UM, THE, THE, THE CURRENT WIND IS LEAK SO FORTH.
THE, THE REASONING FOR THE REPLACEMENT, HOWEVER THAT IS THE CONCERN IS EGRESS.
UH, WE'VE REPLACED, WELL, THE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SIDE, THE, THE GARAGE, UH, WINDOW, THE, THE PAINT ON THE LOWER LEFT WHEN WE MOVED IN WAS WOOD.
UH, I THINK THEY HAD AIR CONDITIONING IN THERE, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
SO IT, IT DOESN'T MEET THE CONFIGURATION OF THE ORIGINAL, THE RAM WINDOWS.
UH, I HAVE A RENDERING, UH, THEY, THEY WON'T EVEN COME CLOSE.
AND I, I SPOKE WITH THE, THE SALES GUY, UH, LAST WEEK.
UM, THEY WERE TRYING TO, TRYING TO DO A BETTER PRICE AND SO FORTH, BUT, UH, OH, RIGHT HERE IN THE ROLLING SPOT, UH, ONCE HE SENT, SENT THE FRAME.
BUT ANYWAY, I TELL YOU WHAT, I JUST GAVE YOU THIS BACK.
BUT, UH, THE TWO, THE TWO BEDROOM WINDOWS THAT NEED EGRESS FACE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, SO WE COULDN'T POSSIBLY MEET EGRESS AND NOT CHANGE THE OTHER ONES.
UH, IT WOULD LOOK RIDICULOUS, BUT IF YOU WANT, IF I COULD PASS THIS AROUND, UH, IT, IT SHOWS THE ISSUES WITH THE EGRESS.
UM, THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT 16 INCHES, UH, TO GET IN AND OUT OF.
UH, SO WHAT'S THIS, UH, WHAT'S THE SOLUTION THAT YOU'RE PURSUING? ARE YOU, ARE YOU DOING SORT OF A COMBINED? WELL, THE J THE J WELL WINDOWS, UM, AND I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SMALLER PICTURE, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT 11, UH, SKINNY WINDOWS IS WHAT I CALL 'EM.
UH, NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE WINDOWS OPEN MORE THAN 16 INCHES.
UH, SO ANY WINDOW WE WANT TO GET OUT OF, WE CAN'T GET OUT OF.
UM, THE, THERE'S 11 SINGLE, UM, WINDOWS THAT FA THAT ARE ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE.
WE'RE GONNA REPLACE ALL OF THOSE WITH CASE AS WELL.
I NOTICED, UH, LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE WINDOWS ARE CONFIGURED AND SORT OF FOUR PANE OR FOUR FOUR SECTION CASEMENTS.
AND I GUESS THAT'S THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? IT'S 16 INCHES OR WHATEVER IT IS BETWEEN EXACTLY.
SO THAT, SEE EVEN THE, EVEN THE SKINNY ONES THAT WE CALL 'EM MM-HMM.
BUT THEY STILL DON'T GIVE YOU THE 16TH.
THEY'RE OVER 16 INCHES, BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT.
CURRENT CODE REQUIRES MORE THAN, YEAH.
AS FAR AS MATERIALS, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE NOT METAL.
WHAT'S, WHAT COLOR IS BEING PROPOSED? UH, I WANT BLACK.
AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE MARRIED AND WE THINK DIFFERENT
I, I DIDN'T REALIZE COLOR BECAME THE ISSUE THOUGH.
WELL, I, IN THIS SPECIFIC HOUSE, I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY THE OLDEST MODERN HOUSE IN, IN TOWN.
UH, 1948, UM, THE, THE GLAZING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL METAL GLAZED WINDOWS, WHICH YOU DON'T SEE MUCH ANYMORE.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GOT THAT, THAT COLOR TO 'EM.
AND THAT COLOR IN THE WINDOW OF CONFIGURATION IS A LOT OF WHAT MAKES THAT HOUSE FAIRLY HISTORIC.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY MATCH THAT COLOR WITH NO, AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT I THOUGHT COULD COME THE CLOSEST WOULD BE RAM.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRAMING, IT'S LIKE, WE, WE DON'T EVEN WANT RAM.
THREE AND A HALF INCHES, UH, LOW.
THE J WELL WINDOWS ARE FROM LOWE'S.
THEY, I HAVE A WINDOW GUY THAT'S BEEN TALKING TO THEM, AND HE SAID
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THEY CAN MAKE THE PANES ANY WAY YOU WANT 'EM, BECAUSE THEY PUT THE BULLION STRIPS ON THE INSIDE NOW.UM, BUT THOSE WERE THE CLOSEST TO BEING AS SLIM AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT WAS OUR CONCERN.
I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE WHOLE VIEW OF WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE NOW, BUT FROM THE STREET RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T TELL WHETHER THEY'RE METAL CASE WENT VINYL OR, OR ANYTHING.
SO WE DO HAVE TWO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, AND I'VE USED AND A SMOKE SHOP BEHIND US THAT THE CIGAR SMOKE FLOWS THROUGH.
I, I'VE USED RAM WINDOWS BEFORE.
HAVE, I'M ACTUALLY USING THEM RIGHT NOW.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROUD OF THEM.
I DID GO TO A CHINESE COMPANY, UM, THAT HAD ALMOST EXACT WINDOWS.
I GOT A HOLD OF ECO CAST HOMES UP IN BLE.
THEY USED TO BE IN BUSINESS, BUT I'VE TALKED TO AN INDIVIDUAL THERE.
THEY ORDERED WINDOWS FOR THE WHOLE HOME, AND THEY CAME IN AND NONE OF 'EM FIT.
SO, SO, SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE, UH, RAM WINDOWS OTHER THAN THE, UH, PRICE, THE THICKNESS OF THE FRAME? SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF THE CURRENT HOUSE, THE, THE FRAMING'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT MAYBE AN INCH AND A HALF.
UM, WHEREAS THE RAM WINDOWS, THEY CAN'T DO LESS THAN THREE INCHES.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A BIG, HUGE FRAME AROUND THE, AROUND THE WINDOW THAT I THINK WOULD LOOK RIDICULOUS.
OH, IT'S A, THE SITE LINE IS QUITE A LOT DIFFERENT.
I THINK THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO SMALLER FRAMES AND SMALLER MILLIONS, BUT THEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO SOME SERIOUS COSTS.
I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY, WOULD IT SAY 40,000? YEAH.
WELL, AND THAT'S WITHOUT INSTALLATION.
I, HE, HE DID SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE CUSTOM WINDOWS FOR THIS HOUSE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SO, UH, WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T PAY MUCH MORE THAN THAT FOR THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, THE PERIMETER OF IT IS, YEAH.
GOT A THICK THING AROUND THE SIDE.
SO THAT, I THINK THERE'S A PICTURE IN THAT PACKAGE.
IT'S TOWARD THE BACK, I THINK.
OH, THAT'S THICK ON THE OUTSIDE.
I'M PRETTY SURE THIS IS THE RAM.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE, UH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANDERSON SLASH THAT'S ANDERSON, YEAH, ANDERSON.
AND, UH, LOWE'S IS GONNA LOOK PRETTY SIMILAR.
I THINK THE LOWE'S IS EVEN SLIMMER THAN THE ANDERSON THOUGH.
BUT LOWE'S, UH, THE J WELL WINDOWS, THEY COULDN'T GIMME ANY KIND OF, UH, RENDERING OR ANYTHING.
SO, UH, I HAD A HARD TIME TRYING TO GET, GET THE ACTUAL VISUAL OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT IF YOU GET TO THE, TO THE RAM ONE THAT'S REAL THICK, UH, IT WOULD, IS THIS THE PICTURE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
IT WOULD LOOK HORRIBLE ON THAT HOUSE.
I THOUGHT IN THE PACKAGE THERE WAS A RENDERING OF THE, UH, RAM IT, IT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THERE, BUT IT WAS NOT, UH, IT WAS NOT THE RENDERING, IT WAS JUST THE, UH, THE DESIGN.
SORRY, I'M, I'M, I'M NOW READING THE EMAIL.
UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T MAKE 'EM EXACTLY LIKE YOU DID.
I SWEAR IN THE PACKAGE THERE, WHAT THEY SHOWED IN THE PACKAGE WAS BASICALLY IDENTICAL.
WELL, ORIGINALLY WHEN RAM GAVE ME THE ORIGINAL QUOTE, UM, THEY GAVE ME THE QUOTE OFF OF MEASUREMENTS THAT WE TOOK, UH, CAME BACK AND SAID, YES, WE CAN MAKE THESE WINDOWS.
HOWEVER, SINCE THAT DISCUSSION, THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, YEAH, WE CAN MAKE THOSE WINDOWS.
BUT THEY DIDN'T TELL ME THAT THEY WERE THREE INCHES WIDE IN, IN, IN WIDTH AROUND THE FRAME.
SO THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD THIS WEEK WITH THEM.
UM, SO AS FAR AS LIKE, FOR LIKE, AS FAR AS I COULD TELL THE J WELL, WINNERS WILL COME CLOSER THAN ANDERSON OR RAM OR, UH, OR THE, UH, CHINESE GO PLAY.
SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE BASICALLY PROPOSING WITH NO LIGHTS AT ALL? JUST NO, THEY, THEY COULD PUT LIGHTS.
THEY WOULD ADD THE LIGHTS, LIGHTS IN WHERE YOU WANT 'EM, BUT THE OUTER FRAME WOULD JUST, I I I, IT WOULDN'T COME CLOSE TO THE LOOK THAT WE HAVE NOW.
THAT, THAT CLEARS, CLARIFIES MY QUESTION.
ALTHOUGH I DO HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, ONE IS, IS IF I READ THE, UH, MATERIAL CORRECTLY, UM, THE J WELDS TO ME DON'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO,
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UM, LIKE FOR LIKE, UM, SO I HAVE SOME QUE I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.UH, THE PICTURE THAT WAS UP, IF YOU CAN FLIP THAT THING FORWARD THERE, RIGHT THERE.
THE TRIANGULAR SHAPE IS JUST TO SHOW A RADIUS? NO, THAT'S JUST TO SHOW HOW THE WINDOW OPENS.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT IN THE GRID.
NO, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT, UH, IT WAS A VERY CONFUSING PICTURE TO ME.
AND THEN, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS BLACK, WHICH I WOULD SAY CHANGES THE ENTIRE LOOK LOOK OF THE HOUSE.
SO TO SAY THAT'S LIKE, FOR, LIKE, I WAS STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT.
BUT THEN I COMBED TO, IF WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT POINT THAT WE'RE GONNA PICK COLORS.
WHEN WE INITIALLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND WE TALKED ABOUT PAINTING IT WHITE, WE SAID WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
SO WE COULD MAKE THE CHANGE IN THE WHOLE HOUSE BY PAINTING IT GREEN.
BUT WOULD IT LOOK THE SAME? NO, TO ME THE COLORS IRRELEVANT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, I NOTICED THAT THE J WELDS COME, UM, GBG, THE MILLIONS BETWEEN THE GLASS MM-HMM.
YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO, UM, DUPLICATE OR MAKE IT AS CLOSE TO LIGHT AS LIGHT, YOU KNOW, AS SOON FROM THE STREET, YOU MIGHT NOT BE TILLED, BUT AS SOON AS YOU APPROACH THE HOUSE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE CLEAR GLASS.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE ION IS RIGHT HIDDEN BETWEEN I, UM, TO ME THAT'S NOT, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE WINDOWS NOW.
I MEAN THAT NOW, NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO CUSTOM WINDOWS, WHICH THEY DON'T MAKE ANYMORE.
UH, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THE, UH, J WELDS HAD A, UM, SDL OPTION THAT, THAT HAD THAT I, I DON'T KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
AND MY WINDOW GUY'S BEEN TALKING TO THE LADY AT LOWE'S.
UM, AND I JUST KEPT SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN COME AS CLOSE TO THESE WINDOWS AS WE CAN.
AND THAT IS THE INTENT THAT WE WILL TRY OUR BEST TO MAKE THE WINDOWS LOOK AS THE SAME IF, YOU KNOW, AS WE CAN.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO EVEN THE, THE WIDTH OF THE MOENS, BECAUSE I'M WONDERING WHETHER THEY CAN MAKE THE, THE WIDTH OF THE MOENS DIFFERENT SIZES TO KIND OF MATCH THE, MATCH THE, WHAT'S, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL 'EM? THE, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE FIXED? YEAH.
BECAUSE IT IS A DIFFERENT OLEUM, BUT YEAH.
THE FROM KIND OF THE MAINFRAME YEAH.
SO, SO, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I WALK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I DO SEVERAL TIMES A DAY, I SEE PEOPLE GETTING THEIR WINDOWS.
AND FROM THE STREET, YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT'S WHAT.
UH, MOST PEOPLE JUST DRIVE BY OUR HOUSE ABOUT 80 MILES AN HOUR 'CAUSE THERE'S NO SPEED BUNKS,
AND THEY SAY, WOW, THAT'S A NICE GARDEN.
BUT THEY REALLY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE WIND.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, MY MAIN CONCERN IS GETTING MY GRANDKIDS OUT AND MY WIFE OUT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT, BUT I GUESS I'M GONNA HAVE TO SAY IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF SET HERE WITH GUIDELINES AROUND IT, ET CETERA.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN SECTION, UH, 1 25, UH, 51, 1 OF THE THINGS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IS FOLLOW THESE STANDARDS.
AND THE STANDARD SAYS, UM, DETERIORATED ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SHALL BE REPAIRED RATHER THAN REPLACED WHERE POSSIBLE IN THE EVENT THAT REPLACEMENT IS NECESSARY, THE NEW MATERIAL SHOULD BE REFLECT THE MATERIAL BEING REPLACED IN COMPOSITION DESIGN, COLOR TEXTURE, AND OTHER VISUAL QUALITIES.
SO ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS NO, AND I AGREE.
I, I CAN SEE YOUR POINT OF WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE TO COME IN AT, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
IS IT FEASIBLE TO DO METAL CASEMENT WINDOWS, CUSTOM WINDOWS ON THAT HOUSE AT $150,000? UM, BUT ALSO PREVIOUS, YOU KNOW, WE CAME IN AND WE ASKED FOR VINYL, I THINK THEY WERE VINYL SASH RECORDS.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW NOTHING WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME.
SO I SPENT TWO YEARS DOING THIS, TRYING TO RESEARCH AND, AND DO THE BEST WE CAN THAT THE, THE COMPOSITE IS NEW.
UH, BUT THEY SAY, YEAH, I MEAN I'VE, IF YOU GO TO LOWE'S AND LOOK AT ONE, YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL WHETHER IT'S NOT METAL.
UH, AND WE'RE, AND IT SHOULD BE AS STRONG AS METAL.
I, I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO APPROVE PLASTIC VINYL OR PVC WIND DUCT.
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IT'S A, YEAH, NO, YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THE HOUSE, SO THANK YOUI KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE, DO THE BEST YOU CAN.
YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT.
UM, UH, SO THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT THE THING ON THE OUTSIDE.
DID I READ THAT PACKAGE RIGHT, MIKE? WHERE IT COMES WITH, EVEN THOUGH THE MILLION'S INSIDE, IT STILL HAS A GRID ON THE OUTSIDE TO REF TO MAKE, I'M SURE THEY HAVE OPTIONS FOR APPLIED GRIDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, AND I MADE, WHEN I READ THROUGH THAT PACKAGE, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A OPTION, NOT A SPECIAL CUSTOMIZED OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
YOU HAD THE SDL OPTION OR YOU HAD THE, UH, GBG.
WELL, A LOT OF THIS IS NECESSITATED BY THE, UH, INSULATED GLAZING UNITS THAT THEY'RE USING.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE DOUBLE PANE INSULATED UNITS TO MEET CURRENT ENERGY CODES AND, AND SUCH.
SO IF YOU CUT THAT THING UP, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CREATING MORE AVENUES FOR THERMAL, THERMAL, UH, BREAKS IN THE GLASS.
SO, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS, UH, CUTTING INTO IT.
I THINK IT IS JUST, JUST LIKE THE MORE YOU INSIDE IS FAKE ONE ON THE OUTSIDE IS FAKE TOO.
NO, AND I, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
IF THEY CAN DO ONE ON THE OUTSIDE AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GET IT APPROVED.
I, LIKE WE SAID, WE LOVE OUR HOUSE AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO TRY TO KEEP IT PRESERVED.
'CAUSE IT SURE LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN WE DID FIVE YEARS AGO.
I WOULD JUST NEED TO GO TO LOWE'S AND DISCUSS THE MULIAN PARTS MORE IN DETAIL.
'CAUSE IT WAS MORE WE NEED TO GET THIS APPROVED BEFORE I EVEN WASTE MY TIME OF TALKING TO, TO LOADS TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GUESS I JUST GOT, I I, I'VE GOT ONE MORE ON THE COLOR SELECTION.
I KNOW, I KNOW YOU SAID COLOR'S KIND OF IRRELEVANT, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT WHEN IT COMES TO APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, I MENTIONED THE, THE, THE METAL COLOR.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS SORT OF A GRAY OPTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THE ONLY COLORS WE CAN GET THROUGH J WELD IS WHITE OR BLACK.
TO ME, I THINK BLACK WOULD LOOK VERY NICE ON THAT HOUSE.
UM, SHE WOULD THINK WHITE LOOKED, WOULD LOOK VERY NICE ON THAT HOUSE, BUT I DO NOT THINK THEY, THAT IT WAS AN OPTION TO GET GRAY.
IT, IT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHITE WINDOWS YOU ASSOCIATED WITH, YOU ASSOCIATE WITH LIKE PAINTED WOOD WINDOWS.
WHICH YOU WOULD SEE ON MORE OF A COLONIAL OR TRADITIONAL.
AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS PART OF, PART OF IT WAS THE MASS PRODUCTION OF, OF METAL WINDOWS AND STEEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, BLACK WOULD, I THINK BLACK WOULD SEND IT MORE INTO A MODERN, UH, INTERPRETATION THAT YOU'D SEE NOWADAYS.
YOU'D SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING WITH THE BLACK OPTION WHITE, I THINK WOULD TAKE IT TO A DIFFERENT, MORE OF A TRADITIONAL LOOK.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A GRAY OPTION, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION, IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE ALUMINUM TO ME HAS A DISTINCT LOOK.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY A LIGHTER, A LIGHTER LOOK.
AND IF YOU REALLY ARE LOOKING FOR, LIKE, FOR LIKE, SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE VISUALLY, UM, WHITE'S A LOT CLOSER TO THAT ANALYZED ALUMINUM THAN, UM, UH, THAN BLACK IS.
BLACK JUST KIND OF SCREAMS MODERN TO ME.
I MEAN THEY'RE, SO, I GUESS, I GUESS I HAVE A, WE'LL FLIP IT ON A DIFFERENT SIDE, I GUESS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF, UH, I PUT WHITE WINDOWS IN AND I DECIDE I WANT 'EM BLACK AND I PAINT 'EM BLACK? I THINK THEY'D HAVE TO GO THIS, THAT WOULD BE A, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE I WOULD'VE APPROPRIATENESS.
IT'D BE A NEW FOR PAINTING COLORS.
YOU DON'T, UH, BUT I CAN PAINT THE HOUSE YELLOW.
SO THAT DOES BRING UP A, UH, INTERESTING POINT.
UH, 'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN INTO COLORS OR WHATEVER.
BUT HERE WE HAVE A HISTORIC BRICK HOME THAT IF, UH, SOMEBODY DID DECIDE THEY WERE GOING TO PAINT IT RIGHT.
WHICH THEY COULD, UM, THAT WOULD BASICALLY DESTROY THAT HOUSE.
IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER, IT WOULD DEFINITELY LOSE ITS CONTRIBUTING, UH, STATUS.
SO PAINT ACTUALLY DOES PLAY A ROLE IN OH, ABSOLUTELY.
THE HISTORIC, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYTHING, ANY RESTRICTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I GOT A WOODEN HOUSE, BUT I COULD
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PAINT IT PURPLE.THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP ME FROM DOING THAT.
MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE WELL, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A HOUSE ON FOURTH STREET THAT THEY PAINTED, YOU KNOW, ONE'S WHITE, ONE'S GRAY, THEY LOOK GREAT.
SO I, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S THE POINT.
IF, IF WE'RE GONNA BE NITPICKY ABOUT COLORS OF WINDOWS, THEN YOU NEED TO BE NITPICKY ABOUT THE ORIGINAL BRICK.
I, I MEAN, I COULD GO HOME TOMORROW AND PAINT IT BEFORE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND.
I THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
OF COURSE, WE CAN CHANGE EVERYTHING, BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE EVERYTHING WE WANT AS GO THROUGH COUNCIL AND ALL THAT STUFF TO GET CHANGED.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A PROCESS.
UM, BUT THE OTHER DEAL IS, IS THAT BOTH THOSE HOUSES GOT PAINTED WITHOUT, WELL, THERE'S STUFF, WELL, AND PART OF, PART OF THE PURVIEW HERE IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THAT, THAT WORD I THINK IS OPERATIVE HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU HAVE THE BOOK FEEL GUIDE TO AMERICAN HOUSES, RIGHT.
THERE ARE STYLES WHERE IF YOU PAINTED IT PURPLE, JUST USING THAT EXAMPLE, IT ACTUALLY IS APPROPRIATE TO THE STYLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE POINT IS, IS THAT THAT'S SAY IS RIGHT.
PAINTING THIS HOUSE PURPLE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
THAT'S, THAT'S I GUESS WHERE THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
SO ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF UP TO US AS FAR AS WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, I GUESS WOULD BE THE, I MEAN, EVERYONE I'VE TALKED TO, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COMMISSION MM-HMM.
UH, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE WINDOWS? MM-HMM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST HORRIBLE.
AND IF I CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF 'EM, I'M NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER.
I WISH I WAS, BUT, UM, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
I MEAN, TO ME, COLOR'S NOT AN ISSUE, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT WHITE, WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT WHITE IN IT.
I WANT BLACK, BUT
AND I THINK THE BRICK WOULD STAND OUT MORE WITH BLACK THAN WHITE.
AND THAT'S MY REASONING FOR BLACK.
BUT, AND, AND, AND MY REASONING IS TO MAKE THE HOUSE LOOK AS ORIGINAL AS IT WAS.
I MEAN, SO THAT'S, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR PURVIEW IS RIGHT TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THEN COMES ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE SINCE WE'RE HERE AND, AND THERE'S NO ONE ELSE HAVING YEAH.
WE JUST BROUGHT UP THE COLOR, CORRECT, YEAH.
SO IF WE DECIDE TOMORROW WE WANT TO PAINT OUR HOUSE PURPLE, RIGHT? THEN IT BECOMES A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, RIGHT? YEP.
SO THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS, NOT NECESS.
THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION.
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE NON-CONTRIBUTING DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU DON'T NEED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET IT DIRECTLY THROUGH THE, UM, THROUGH PLAN, THROUGH PLANNING WITHOUT COMING TO US.
BUT IF PLANNING'S DOING THEIR JOB, THEY WOULD SAY, OH, HELL NO.
BECAUSE YEAH, IT'S, IT MAY BE, UH, NON-CONTRIBUTING FOR SOME REASON, BUT THERE'S OTHER REASONS THAT, UM, STILL MAKE IT CONTRIBUTE.
NOW, I, NOW, AND I, I HAD SOME, YEAH, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ON THE HOUSE BEHIND YOU ON NORTH IOWA THAT, WAIT A MINUTE, THEY GOT NEW WINDOWS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING FOR A, A MEETING.
SO I ASKED THIS NICE LADY, AND SHE KIND OF EXPLAINED IT TO ME, BUT THAT BECOMES, OKAY, IF WE PAINT IT, IT DOESN'T BECOME CONTRIBUTING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AGAIN.
AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS THAT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, PEOPLE JUST DID WHATEVER.
AND IN FACT, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON, I BET WE'VE APPROVED MORE CHANGES AFTER THE FACT THAN WE DID BEFORE THE FACT.
BECAUSE THE ATTITUDE HAS BEEN I'M GONNA DO WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT.
AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE ME CHANGE IT.
ONCE IT'S IN, IT'S IN, YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE ORDEAL OR WHATEVER.
UM, IT'S FRUSTRATING WHEN PEOPLE JUST DO IT AND, UH, WHAT'S, YOU'VE HAD OLD HOUSES BEFORE, RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU, YOU KIND OF APPRECIATE IT, BUT A LOT OF 'EM JUST DON'T CARE.
THEY'VE GOT AN ASSET, THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE THEY HAVE AN ASSET THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, DOWNGRADING OR TAKING, YOU KNOW.
NO, I, I I, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE COMMISSION THING AND WANT TO KEEP OLD HOUSES, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN
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I TAKE MY WALK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON OUR BLOCK.YOU ADD THE TRAILER NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE FOR YEARS.
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE NEAR ON THE WAY TO THE PARK THAT'S JUST FULL OF TRASH IN THE BACKYARD.
AND IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE FOCUS ON MY WINDOWS IS REALLY IRRELEVANT COMPARED TO SOME OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THOUGH IS SOMEWHAT THE VARIETY.
'CAUSE IF YOU REALLY START, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN START WITH HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT, UH, IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS RIGHT BEFORE RIGHT.
UM, UH, 1900 AND, AND THEREAFTER, WHICH WERE THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE FARMING, RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE NOTHING FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEN, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, THE END OF WORLD WAR II AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE, UM, UH, TRADITIONAL MINIMALISTS, I PROBABLY HAVE IT WRONG HOUSES.
AND, UH, SO THEN THOSE ARE SPOTTED ALL AROUND.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE SIXTIES WHEN, UH, NASA STARTED GOING OR WHATEVER, NOW THEN YOU START SEEING THESE, UH, BRICK RANCHES AND STUFF.
THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN.
IT'S DISJOINTED, BUT IT'S THE HISTORY.
IT'S WELL, AND, AND I GUESS PART OF, YOU KNOW, MY CONFUSION WAS, UH, AND I ONLY KNOW HIS FIRST NAME, BUT HE LIVES ACROSS FROM MIKE PEARSON'S HOUSE AND THE BIG YELLOW HOUSE.
I THINK HIS FIRST NAME'S GREG.
OH, THE YELLOW HOUSE WITH THE BIG BAY WIND IS IN THE FRONT.
HE IS GOT A NICE GARDEN IN THE BACK NAME SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME OF THE GARDEN IS, BUT HE'S, HE'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM MIKE PETERSON OR PETERSON? PETERSON.
I WAS, I WAS THAT RICK PEARSON.
SEE IF YOU, IF YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET FROM A BIG YELLOW HOUSE.
SO MY CONFUSION WAS, AND HE ACTUALLY WAS TRYING TO HELP ME ELIMINATE SOME OF THIS AND FIND SOME WINDOWS FOR US.
WELL, I LOOKED AT HIS HOUSE AND I WENT, MAN, HE SAID, WELL, THOSE ARE NICE WINDOWS.
AND WE STOOD IN THE DRIVEWAY TALKING FOR A WHILE, AND HE SAYS, WELL, THOSE AREN'T ORIGINAL EITHER.
BUT HE SAID, NO, IT WAS BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
SOMEBODY WENT IN AND CHANGED THEM.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE GET PENALIZED, UH, MORE OR LESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ANOTHER ASPECT OF MAKING THESE THINGS AT SOME POINT, CHANGES THAT WERE MADE OVER THE YEARS.
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE FOR, UM, FORTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, THESE SMALL HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT AND THEN PEOPLE ADDED ONTO 'EM, ET CETERA.
WELL, BUT THEY'VE BEEN THAT WAY NOW FOR 50 YEARS.
IT WASN'T THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT.
BUT IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A LONG TIME.
SAME WITH, UH, THAT, THAT HOUSE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS ACTUALLY A HOUSE THAT GOT CONVERTED INTO A, UM, SOME KIND OF SHOP OR SOMETHING.
AND SO THEY PUT THOSE WINDOWS IN AND ALL THAT.
BUT AGAIN, IT WAS BEFORE RIGHT, RIGHT BEFORE CAME AROUND.
SO JUST BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE DOESN'T LIKE, GIVE YOU A CARTE BLANCHE TO GO.
AND I, AND I WOULDN'T BE HERE IF I KNEW I HAD CARTE BLANCHE.
I, I, I'D BUILD A, YOU KNOW, A BARN IN THE BACK AND, UH, PUT A, A TRAILER BACK THERE AND, AND A COUPLE USED LAWNMOWERS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT IS, WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD? WE'RE NOT HANGING THE HOUSE.
SO WE'LL MAKE NOTE OF THAT AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT SIX 30.
ANYWAY, I, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE YOUR TIME FOR COMING FOR ONE MEETING.
AND I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A LOT OF EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH AND, AND A BARRAGE OF STUFF.
I KNOW I'M A SOMETIMES A PAIN IN THE REAR END, BUT LIFE GOES ON.
BUT A LOVABLE PAIN IN THE REAR END
MR. RICK, IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING.
WHEN Y'ALL START DELIBERATING AND YOU MAKE A MOTION, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE.
UM, SO JUST MAKING THAT MOTION AS SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE SO STAFF HAS THE DIRECTION THAT, UM, WE NEED TO HELP ADVISE THEM GO BY, UM, WITH WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE.
YOU WANNA TAKE A STAB AT IT? MIKE
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CONFORMS AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN VISUALLY.UM, AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE INTENT IS TO MATCH THE, THE PAIN.
IT'S HARD TO KIND OF TELL WHICH WINDOWS GO WHERE, BUT THE, THE IDEA IS TO MATCH THE PAIN CONFIGURATION, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
UM, AND SO I, I THINK IF, IF YOU'RE TAILORING THE MOTION, I THINK IT SHOULD SAY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WINDOWS YOU'D, YOU'D BE APPROVING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WINDOWS OF THE SAME PAIN CONFIGURATION AND SIMILAR COLOR.
UM, I'M TRYING TO EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO WORD THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO COLOR.
I MEAN, YOU CAN ALLOW THEM TO MAKE UP THEIR MIND ON THE COLOR.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A RECOMMENDATION IN MIND THOUGH, UM, FOR THAT.
UM, YOU CAN, I, I GUESS YOU COULD ALSO SAY APPLIED MILLIONS OR REALLY MUTTONS, I GUESS, UH, YOU COULD SAY APPLIED INSTEAD OF INTERNAL, UH, IF POSSIBLE, THOSE, THOSE ARE ALL, THOSE COULD ALL BE IN PART OF THE, THE MOTION AS WELL.
OR YOU COULD JUST SAY THAT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE, MEETS, MEETS THE, UH, MINIMUM STANDARDS AND IS APPROPRIATE.
SO I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION THAT I FORGOT TO CLARIFY.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE, THE BEDROOM WINDOW, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACCESS EGRESS, THE EGRESS.
UM, SO IT, IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THESE, THESE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, OR NO.
IT, IT WILL AND LOWE'S IS THE ONLY ONE.
AT, AT ONE POINT, ANDERSON CAME AND LOOKED AT 'EM AND THEY SAID THAT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE, THE BEDROOM WINDOW, WHICH IS, UM, ACTUALLY IS BOTH OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE BEDROOM WINDOWS, BUT THEY SAID WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT A SLIDER IN, AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT A SLIDER IN.
SO LOWE'S HAS KIND OF SAID WE CAN PROVIDE EGRESS WITH CASEMENT WINDOWS.
UM, SO WOULD THEY, WOULD THEY BE USING BASICALLY TWO CASE MIN, LIKE I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE ONE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
WOULD THERE BE TWO LARGE CASEMENT WINDOWS? I I THINK IT'S GONNA BE TWO LARGE THAT HAVE A CENTER CENTER MILLION.
I THINK ACHIEVE THAT LARGER PANEL.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL BASICALLY BI PART IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINDOWS IS WHAT IT'S SOUNDS LIKE.
SO YOU, YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT THAT THAT MU THAT MUTTON IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S, THAT'S NARROWER WILL BE THICKER IN THAT CONFIGURATION.
BUT YOU'D HAVE THE SAME, IT'S, WHAT IS THAT FIVE, FIVE BY FIVE? IT'S FIVE BY FOUR, WHATEVER IT IS.
FIVE BY, YEAH, IT'S FIVE BY FOUR PAINS.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THE DISCUSSION AT LOWE'S YET ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY CAN DO, BUT FROM, FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WINDOW INSTALLER, HE'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, PROBABLY 80 SOMETHING YEARS OLD,
UM, BUT HE SAID THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH PUT THE PAINS WHERE WE WANT THEM.
AND, AND ALL I CAN DO IS SAY, HEY, GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO TO ME THE, THE MOTION WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, MATCHED, UH, UH, AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE THE MATCHING, MATCHING THE, UH, PAIN CONFIGURATION.
I THINK THAT THE EG THE EGRESS REQUIREMENT IS, IS IT'S A CODE ISSUE NOW.
UM, I MEAN, ONE WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, IS THERE TO PROTECT LIVES AND THEN IT'S THERE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
AND IN THIS SITUATION, THAT WINDOW WOULD BE BROKEN COMPLETELY OUT TO GET INTO THE HOUSE IF NECESSARY.
SO THAT'S PART OF, PART OF THE IDEA HERE IS THAT SOMEBODY CAN ACTUALLY BE, GO IN AND OUT WITHOUT DESTROYING THE PROPERTY TO DO SO.
WELL, I THINK IT MORE, IT IS MORE OUT OF DESTROYING THE PROPERTY.
I THINK IT'S MORE OF A TIME ISSUE.
IT'S GONNA TAKE US 20 MINUTES TO BUST IN THIS BALLOON
HE'D JUST KNOCK THAT THING OUT.
I THINK NO MATTER WHAT'S THERE, I BET THEY KNOCK 'EM OUT.
UM, OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO PROPOSE, UM, THAT RECOGNIZING THAT THE J WELD, SORRY, JW IS NOT A, LIKE, FOR LIKE, BUT IS THE CLOSEST OPTION FOUND THAT, UM, EVERY EFFORT AVAILABLE, UM, BE EXPLORED TO MATCH THE COLOR
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PAIN CONFIGURATION AND, UM,MEANING, MEANING THAT INITIAL THE, UM, UH, THAT SDL OPTION THAT, UH, YEAH.
AND I'LL ASK ABOUT IT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY COME BACK, SAY, NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT ON THESE WINDOWS.
I MEAN, I NEED TO, I NEED TO GET SOME LEEWAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GRANT THAT, UH, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE CITY THAT YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S NOT AN OPTION, IF IT DOES, UH, LET'S SEE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA COST YOU A HUNDRED EXTRA BUCKS, I THINK I'D STILL WANT YOU TO OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, BUT IF IT'S A CUS IF IF IT BECOMES CUSTOM AND NOW IT'S RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
IT GETS RIDICULOUS AGAIN THEN.
UH, SO I WOULD KIND OF JUST LEAVE THAT UP TO THE CITY WHETHER IT'S OKAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE OR NOT.
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH, ANN? YES.
YOU GOOD WITH THAT? I MEAN, WELL, I NEED A SECOND.
I NEED A, I NEED A SECOND FROM SOMEBODY TO AGREE WITH IT AND I CAN'T SECOND HERE.
SO WAS THAT, WAS THAT A MOTION? 'CAUSE AT FIRST YOU SAID YOU PROPOSED, WERE, WERE YOU MAKING A MOTION THAT YEAH, I WAS, I INTENDED THAT TO BE A MOTION.
I SECOND IT 'CAUSE I COULDN'T COME UP WITH IT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO USE THE JELLED WIND WINDOWS AS THE CLOSEST OPTION TO MEET THE, LIKE FOR LIKE REQUIREMENT.
UH, PROVIDED THAT THE, UH, JJ JED WIND WINDOWS ARE SIMILAR IN COLOR PAIN CONFIGURATION AND VISUAL SITE LINES, MEANING THE CONTOUR ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE WINDOW OR THE SDL OPTION.
THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
UM, SO WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO THE,
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UH, COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS.MICHAEL, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS OTHER THAN THAT.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND SO IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK.
SUSAN, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, NO, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE AND THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITH A PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU FOR WELCOME, WELCOME.
UM, I DID HAVE ONE THING IS THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING A CHANGE TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ON THE INSTALLATION OF WINDOWS TO GET THAT SHADOW EFFECT AND MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE INSTALLING WINDOWS, UM, THEY PUT THAT SETBACK AND THEY DON'T JUST TACK 'EM TO THE FINS.
AND WHERE DOES THAT STAND? I KNOW, I KNOW WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT 'CAUSE IT WASN'T AN AGENDA ITEM OR WHATEVER, BUT IT, IT WAS KIND OF A FOLLOW UP, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING.
YEAH, I GUESS I'D LIKE JUST A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION.
IF WE WANT TO ACTUALLY DO A DESIGN GUIDELINE OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS THE LIKE FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE LIKE BOOK FOR LIKE, IF, IF THE WINDOW IS JUTTING OUT NOW, IT SHALL JUTT OUT WITH THEIR REPLACEMENT IF IT'S RECESSED, IF SHALL BE RECESSED WITH THEIR REPLACEMENT WINDOW.
UM, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH A, A AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM Y'ALL, GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, GO TO CITY COUNCIL, GET CODIFIED AS AN ORDINANCE, OR WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AS WE LOOK AT THE WINDOWS TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY SET BACK? ARE THE, WILL THE REPLACEMENTS BE SET BACK AS WELL? SO MY FIRST REACTION NOT BEING AN ARCHITECT IS TO ME THIS, THE, THE PERMITTING FOLKS SHOULD DO THAT.
JUST, SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE'VE GOT A, UH, NONCONFORMING, UM, BUILDING OR WHATEVER AND, UH, SO THE STAFF IS GONNA ADDRESS IT OR
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WHATEVER.UM, WHEN ARE WE GONNA, WE WON'T, WE WON'T EVER GET A CHANCE.
AND, UM, IT, IT'LL GET INSTALLED, FLUSHED TO THE, UH, SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND WE'LL ALL LOOK AT IT AND GO, IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, SOMETHING CHANGED.
UM, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CODIFIED MYSELF.
BUT IN, IN THEORY THOUGH, RIGHT? I KNOW, I KNOW IN PRACTICE THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT IN THEORY THAT HAPPENS BEFORE THEY'RE GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE BUILDING, IF THEY'RE DOING WINDOWS, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH PLANNING, IT'S SUPPOSED TO FLAG THAT'S IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU NEED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE REVIEW IN THAT LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT, UM, REVIEW PROCESS.
NOW, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND IT MEETS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT DOESN'T NEED A LIKE, FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IF IT'S NOT LIKE FOR LIKES, WE HAVE THE OPTION NOW AND THE ORDINANCE TO REFER ANY CASE TO THE COMMISSION IF WE FEEL IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE, UM, WHETHER IT BE CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING.
AND WE CAN DO THAT MOVING FORWARD FOR THOSE WINDOWS SITUATIONS.
IF IT'S NOT LIKE FOR LIKE, UM, IN ITS ORIENTATION TO THE BUILDING OR WE CAN DO A CODE AMENDMENT THAT SPECIFICALLY SPELLS ALL OF THAT OUT BASIC, BASICALLY THE CODE AMENDMENT WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THE WINDOWS ARE BEING REMOVED.
THEY HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO THE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
LIKE IN EVERY CASE IT COULD BE THAT COULD BE IT, IT COULD ALSO JUST BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE WINDOWS ARE REMOVED AND REPLACED, WHETHER CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING, THEY SHALL BE PUT BACK IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION THAT THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY IN, WHICH WOULD GO IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
YOU REVISE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT RICK WAS SAYING THAT THIS WHOLE THING ISN'T ACTUALLY THAT NEW THAT YOU COULD GO TO SOME TOWN THAT HE MENTIONED.
I BELIEVE HE MENTIONED, UH, HE WAS PART OF THE WRITING OF THAT ORDINANCE.
I BELIEVE WE HAD REQUESTED THE INFORMATION FROM RICK.
UM, AND WE, WE DIDN'T EVER RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM HIM.
WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES Y'ALL WANT AND PROPOSE THEM.
UM, WE JUST NEED A LITTLE GUIDANCE FROM Y'ALL OF EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, HOW YOU WANT THAT PHRASED AND WRITTEN.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE COURSE YOU WANT TO GO, YOU NEED TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM POSTED AND YEAH.
SO, AND YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME THIS SECOND, UM, YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL ANYTIME AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, MR. HAY, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
THIS IS THE LANGUAGE WE'RE LOOKING FOR, OR THIS IS THE INTENT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND BRING IT TO US.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL I'LL TALK TO, UH, RICK.
HE'S HARD TO GET AHOLD OF THOUGH.
I MEAN, SOMETIMES HE'S JUST, HE'S JUST GONE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT.
AND UH, ANOTHER, UH, REQUEST I'VE GOT.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING AND I KNOW WE APPROVED, UM, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.
UM, YOU KNOW, REPLACING COMPOSITE SHINGLES IS A NO NO BRAINER TO ME OR WHATEVER, BUT CAN YOU, CAN WE ADD AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE YOU COME BACK AND REMIND US WHAT, YOU KNOW, JUST WHERE THOSE BOUNDARIES ARE? YEAH.
AGAIN, WE CAN DO AN UPDATE ON IT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
'CAUSE IT LIKE GUESS IT HAS GOT ME WORRIED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING.
SO YEAH, PUT IN WHATEVER, ANY WINDOWS YOU WANT.
UM, PAINT THE BRICK AND MAKE YOUR HOUSE NON-CONTRIBUTING AND THEN YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, SO AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SCHEDULE A MEETING AT OUR NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING OR JUST THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM, BRING THAT FORWARD.
I AM GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE GROUP FROM THE STANDPOINT OF I KEEP GETTING COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE, HEY, WE NEVER, WE NEVER MEET SO WE'RE NOT MEETING TOO OFTEN.
SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD, UH, MIND COMING IN FOR A MEETING TO JUST DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, NO, UM, UH, CERTIFICATES TO ADDRESS, JUST TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOPIC.
UH, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE THREE TOPICS ON IT AS FAR AS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IS THE WINDOWS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOUNDARIES AROUND, UM, UH, CONTRIBUTING ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING AND, UM, ALL OF A SUDDEN YEAH.
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INAPPROPRIATE PAINTING, UH, IS, UH, IN, IN MY MIND.'CAUSE I, SOMEONE WAS COMPLAINING TO ME ONE TIME THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE COLOR THAT THE PEOPLE NEXT TO 'EM WERE PAINTING THEIR HOUSE.
I WAS LIKE, PEOPLE PAINT THEIR HOUSE WHATEVER COLOR THEY WANT, BUT THERE IS A, THERE ARE SOME CASES WHERE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A, UH, A MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
WE CAN, WE CAN BRING THOSE ITEMS BACK AND WORKSHOP IT WITH YOU IN, IN THE JUNE MEETING.
UH, SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S MY COMMENT.
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COMMENTS? I, WELL FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME KELLY GREEN, OUR NEW MEMBER, AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE JOSHUA GUTIERREZ, WHO IS OUR, UH, NEW ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET HIM.I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE MET AND HE'S OUR BIGGEST CHANGE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE MET.
USUALLY WE HAVE MICHELLE HERE, SO, SO IS THAT AN EXPANSION OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT? SO, NO.
IT'S, IT'S STILL MICHELLE AND I.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON SOME OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, SINCE THE STAFF LEVEL ONES THAT WE'VE APPROVED SINCE OCTOBER, UH, WE'VE HAD FOUR ROOF REPLACEMENTS, JUST LIKE FOR LIGHT COMPOSITE SHINGLES.
UM, THE GAZEBO IN LEAGUE PARK WAS REDONE BY THE CITY, UM, HELEN'S GARDENS RESTROOMS AT 7 0 1 EAST MAIN, UM, EIGHT 13 THIRD STREET AND THREE 20 COLORADO.
UM, LET'S SEE, THERE WAS A NEW FENCE, UH, OR RE A FENCE REPLACED AT 3 21 NORTH KANSAS.
SO THE DESIGN AND MATERIAL WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THAT'S STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL.
UM, A SIGN WAS PUT UP AT, UH, FIVE 12 SECOND STREET, BIRD HOUSE
SO THAT'S A STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL.
NO, DIDN'T COMPROMISE ANY OF THE HISTORIC MATERIALS OR ANYTHING, BUT WE, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT AND ISSUED A COA, UM, A DECK REPLACEMENT WITH, UH, MATERIALS FROM THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ON A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOME AT 9 24 SECOND STREET.
AND THEN, UH, AT 6 0 2 AND A HALF CORELLE THERE WAS AN EXTERIOR REMODEL AND THEY REPLACED DOORS, WINDOWS, AND SIDING WITH, UM, ALL THE MATERIALS WERE, UH, FROM THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, BUT THEY WERE ALSO LIKE FOR LIKE, SO, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UH, I HAD SOMETHING JUST A MOMENT AGO, SORRY, BUT IF I CAN'T REMEMBER IT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 6 53.