* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] STARTED. I WON'T [1. Call to order and roll call of members ] WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR COMING Y ADVISORY COMMITTEE. TODAY'S WEDNESDAY MAY 8TH. SO WE'RE GONNA DO A CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL OF THE MEMBERS. OOH. THIS IS ALL NEW AND OFFICIAL. SO WHAT DO WE DO? JUST ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL. I HAVE TO REMEMBER. OKAY. YES, WE HAVE SUE, WE HAVE PATTY, WE HAVE CARL HERE. AND WE HAVE AMY, YES. HERE. SO WE HAVE FOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO WORK QUORUM. SO WE'RE GOOD. [2. Approval of minutes for April 10, 2024, committee meeting ] UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR APRIL 10TH, 2024. YES. WHAT, WHAT DO I SAY? ? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. YES. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND ARE THE OFFICIAL WORDS. SECOND IT. OKAY. DOES THAT MEAN IT'S APPROVED? ALL RIGHT. YAY. I KNOW. GENERAL SHELTER UPDATE FROM GENERAL. YOU ALL IN FAVOR THEN? AYE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. GREAT. ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED TO THE MINUTES? OKAY. [3. General shelter update and April statistics from Lynette Bodmer ] AYE. ITEM THREE, GENERAL SHELTER UPDATE IN APRIL. STA STATISTICS FROM LYNETTE. YES. SO I'VE GOT APRIL STATS UP THERE AND IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, WE HAD AT 10 MORE GO OUTTA THE BUILDING, THEN COME INTO THE BUILDING, WHICH THAT IS THE BIGGEST THING I LOOK AT EVERY MONTH. THAT'S OUR, OUR BIG WIN. UM, WE OUR, IN OUR INTAKE NUMBERS AND OUR OUTGOING NUMBERS, WERE LOWER THIS MONTH BY ABOUT 35, WHICH IS GREAT TO SEE THE NUMBERS GO DOWN A BIT. UM, OUR FOSTER NUMBERS WENT UP QUITE A BIT. WE HAD 20 MORE KITTENS GO UP, UH, GO INTO FOSTER, UM, BUT FEWER DOGS. SO WE ARE KIND OF SWINGING INTO KITTEN SEASON SEASON WITH THAT. UM, AND OUR DOG DAY GETAWAYS ALMOST DOUBLED. UM, THE REST OF THE NUMBERS HELD FAIRLY CLOSE OTHER THAN OUR ADOPTED PETS WERE AT 101 AND LAST MONTH THEY WERE AT 84, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD MORE ANIMALS AT THAT TIME. UM, SOME OTHER UPDATES FOR YOU GUYS. UH, WE ARE, FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS IN A ROW, WE ARE HOLDING RIGHT AT ABOUT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR CANINE CAPACITY, WHICH IF YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, KEPT ANY EYE ON THE STATS, THE LAST SEVERAL, UH, WELL YEAR OR SO, THAT IS REAL LOW. SO THE LOWEST IT'S BEEN. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT IS A HUGE WIN. UM, AND OUR, UH, CAT OR WE HAVE 64 DOGS ON SITE. WE'RE AT 102%. OUR CATS, WE HAVE 40% ON SITE AND WE ARE 40 ON SITE AND WE ARE UP TO 58%. SO WE ARE CLIMBING IN CATS, WHICH IS TO BE EXPECTED FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR WITH, UH, IN AN INCREASE IN KITTENS ARRIVING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, WE DID HOLD OUR FIRST LATE NIGHT ADOPT AON OF THE YEAR. THIS PAST WEEKEND. WE SAW, UH, EIGHT ANIMALS ADOPTED TWO PAJAMA PARTIES AND TWO PRE-OPS AND ONE, UM, CAT FOSTER. AND ONE OF THOSE ADOPTIONS WAS A DOG THAT HAD BEEN IN THE SHELTER FOR 463 DAYS. WOW. THAT'S NICE. SO HUGE WIN. UM, AND ONE OF THOSE PAJAMA PARTIES CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY AND COMPLETED THEIR ADOPTION. GREAT. UM, THAT ALSO INCLUDED SIX PUPPIES FROM FOSTER CARE THAT NEVER HAD TO COME INTO THE BUILDING RISK GETTING SICK, I MEAN, OTHER THAN COMING TO BE ADOPTED, BUT THEY NEVER HAD TO SIT IN A KENNEL. THEY NEVER HAD TO BE A BURDEN ON STAFF OR ANY OF THAT. AND SO, AGAIN, HUGE WIN. YEAH. ALICIA DID GREAT. SHE TOOK A MAMA WITH ALL THE BABIES AND THEY WERE HUGE. THEY WERE LIKE, THEY WERE BIG DOGS. HUGE. SO SHE DID AN AMAZING JOB AND, AND ALL OF OUR STAFF WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT NIGHT. DEDICATION TO, UM, I HAVE SOME EXCITING STAFF UPDATES FOR YOU GUYS. UM, OUR NEW MANAGER IS OFFICIALLY STARTING ON MAY 20TH. UM, WE ARE SO EXCITED. UM, SHE DID STOP BY FOR A VISIT TODAY, UM, AND SPENT SOME TIME WITH US AND THE TEAM, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF SEEING WHAT WE DO, MEETING EVERYBODY. UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY NOT TO OVERWHELM HER. WE'LL GET A LITTLE DEEPER WHEN SHE ACTUALLY STARTS, BUT, UH, SHE WAS ON ON SITE TODAY AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED. WHAT'S HER NAME? HER NAME IS AMELIA NEWS. BAUM NEWS? MM-HMM. . SHE FROM TOWN OR IS SHE NOT FROM TOWN, BUT SHE'S FROM THE GENERAL AREA. GREATER HOUSTON AREA. YES. UM, AND THEN WE DID HAVE, UH, TWO FULL-TIME POSITIONS OPEN, UH, IN THE LAST MONTH. AND WE, BOTH OF THEM HAD THEIR LAST DAY, WELL, THEIR LAST DAY WAS ON THE FOURTH ON SATURDAY. AND WE HAVE OF OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED OFFERS FOR BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS. WOW. SO WE MOVED WAY FASTER THAN NORMAL. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, FOR HR. THE START DATE TENTATIVELY IS ALSO AROUND MAY 20TH. SO IT WAS FOR TECH AND AN ACL AND AN OFFICER? YES. OKAY. UM, OUR NEWEST OFFICER THAT WE [00:05:01] RECENTLY, UH, HIRED DID GET HER CERTIFICATION, UH, TWO WEEKS, ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO. UM, SO SHE IS OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED AND ON, UH, ON HER WAY. AND OUR NEWEST ONE COMING IN IS ALREADY CERTIFIED, COMING IN WITH CERTIFICATION, WHICH IS A BIG WIN FOR US BUDGET WISE. WHERE DOES THAT A CO COME FROM? UH, SHE'S COMING FROM THE, THE GENERAL AREA AS WELL. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT SHELTER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WHAT SHELTER WAS AMELIA? PART OF? CITY OF HOUSTON. CITY OF HOUSTON. MM-HMM. . UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT. THE SOUND WALL, UH, THAT HAS BEEN LONG DISCUSSED, UM, IS BREAKING GROUND NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER, UH, AND IS SET TO BE DONE IN 18 DAYS. SO. WOW. YES. QUICK AMBITIOUS. YEAH. BUT APPARENTLY IT'S LIKE PREFAB A LOT OF IT, SO IT'S LIKE PUTTING IT TOGETHER. UM, THEY DID BRING US THE PAINT SAMPLES TO LOOK AT TODAY AND THEY WERE WHITE, DIFFERENT WHITE OR DIFFERENT WHITE . SO, UH, WE MADE A, WE MADE A, A JU A CALL ON THAT AND SENT IT OVER. UM, LAST MONTH I DID TELL YOU GUYS ABOUT THE NEW PROGRAM COMING FOR THE ANIMAL HANDLING BOARD THAT IS GONNA GO DIGITAL. IT IS OFFICIALLY BEING ROLLED OUT NOW. UM, IT HAD TO GO THROUGH IT TO GET EVERYTHING ON THE IPADS. THAT IS, UH, LEO, I THINK IS PUTTING OUT THE IPADS. WE, IT WAS PUTTING 'EM OUT TODAY, HUH. UM, SO THAT WILL TAKE, UH, THE INFORMATION ON WHEN ANIMALS, DOGS AND CATS ARE HANDLED LAST WHEN THEY'VE HAD THEIR LAST CAGE BREAK, SORT THEM IN THAT ORDER. SO VOLUNTEERS CAN EASILY SEE WHO NEEDS OUT NEXT. THEY CAN ADD THEIR NOTES, UM, ADD PHOTOS, VIEW THEIR HANDLING LEVELS, EVERYTHING RIGHT FROM THE APP. IT'S AMAZING. IT'S WHAT WE'VE WANTED FOREVER AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT. CATS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. MM-HMM. . WHAT'S THAT? COOL. IT'S CALLED PAW PARTNER. IT'S NOT ONE THAT LIKE YOU DOWNLOAD YOURSELF, IT'S PUT ON OUR IPADS IN THE SHELTER. PERFECT. YEAH. COOL. SO THAT'LL BE GOING, ROLLING OUT ON IPADS. UM, AND THEN OUR NEW FOSTER PROCESS. I THINK WE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY LAST TIME THAT THE TRELLO WENT AWAY. UM, WE HAVE A NEW PROCESS LAUNCHED AND JULIE WILL BE SENDING OUT THE INSTRUCTION EMAILS ON IT TODAY OR TOMORROW. UM, AND THEN THE ORANGE TRAINING FOR CANINES IS OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED AS WELL, CORRECT, LEO? OKAY. UH, THE RESOURCE CENTER IS GETTING ITS SOFT LAUNCHED LATER THIS WEEK. AND THE, WE DID INPUT OR PUT INTO PLACE A NEW PROCESS FOR WILDLIFE THAT WE HOUSE ON SITE TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE, UM, BETTER MONITORING, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT NOBODY IS LEFT FOR PROLONGED PERIODS. UH, AND IMPROVING THE PROCESS FOR NOTIFYING, UH, THE WILDLIFE TRANSPORTERS. WE ALSO HAVE NEW CONTACTS FOR TRANSPORTERS AS THE OLD ONES SEEM TO HAVE FALLEN OFF. SO ESPECIALLY GOING INTO SPRING, THAT IS, UM, BABY SEASON AND MIGRATION SEASON. SO, UM, NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN LINE. I THINK THAT'S IT. THAT'S A LOT TONIGHT THAT THAT'S ALL POSITIVE. YES. THAT'S GREAT. SO THAT, WHAT'S THE SOFT LAUNCH MEAN FOR THE RESOURCE CENTER? UM, WE'RE NOT ADVERTISING IT. OKAY. BUT WE ARE STARTING TO UTILIZE IT. SO WHAT DO, WHAT, HOW DOES THIS WORK? LIKE PEOPLE COME OR PEOPLE CALL, BASICALLY WHAT IT IS IS TAKING THE PEOPLE COME TO THE SHELTER FOR TWO PRIMARY REASONS. THEY'RE COMING TO HELP OR TO GET HELP. AND IT'S BASICALLY SEPARATING OUT THOSE TWO PURPOSES SO THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL SITTING IN THE LOBBY TOGETHER. SOMEBODY'S NOT HAVING THE WORST DAY OF THEIR LIFE SITTING NEXT TO SOMEBODY HAVING THE BEST DAY MAKING AN ADOPTION. IT'S ALSO ALLOWING PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO TAKE PLACE AND IMPROVING THE SYSTEM FOR INTAKE. UM, AS YOU GUYS MAY KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY, WE HAVE BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME IF NOT ACCEPTING ANYTHING THROUGH THE FRONT DOORS. UH, WHICH MEANS THAT IF SOMEBODY WALKS IN WITH AN ANIMAL, WE TELL THEM, OH, NOPE, THAT'S WRONG. TAKE IT BACK WHERE YOU FOUND IT AND WAIT FOR US TO COME TO YOU. THAT HAS NOT GIVEN OUR CITIZENS GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE. IT HASN'T SERVED THE ANIMALS THE BEST. AND IT'S CREATED ADDITIONAL BURDEN FOR THE OFFICERS WHO ARE THEN DRIVING ALL OVER TOWN TO CHASE THEM DOWN WHEN THEY COULD HAVE INTAKED THEM THROUGH THE BUILDING. SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO INTAKE THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY ABLE TO, AND THEN AT ONCE WE GET ROLLING WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT OUT APPOINTMENTS AS WELL FOR THOSE THAT CAN MAKE APPOINTMENTS TO HELP, UM, CONTROL, UH, WHAT'S COMING IN WHEN. AND THOSE THAT ARE JUST WALKING IN, WE CAN HANDLE AS THEY, THEY COME IN. SO WHO DOES ALL THAT COUNSELING? WHAT STAFF IS GONNA BE DOING THAT? WE'RE GONNA BE ROTATING STAFF AND LEO'S ALSO LAUNCHING OPENINGS FOR VOLUNTEERS TO ASSIST AS WELL, WHICH IS ALSO WHY IT'S JUST A SOFT RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS KIND OF PLACE YEAH. WORK ABOUT YOUR PROCESSES. YEAH. YEAH. SO ESSENTIALLY IF SOMEBODY'S COMING IN NOW, INSTEAD OF SENDING 'EM AWAY, WE'RE GONNA START WORKING ON TAKING SOME IN. UM, AND IT'S CREATING, TAKING THE THE PET PANTRY AND GOING FROM ENTIRELY DIGITAL WITH ORDERS THAT ARE ONLY FILLED ONCE A WEEK OR [00:10:01] OR LESS TO BEING ABLE TO OFFER PEOPLE SUPPORT IMMEDIATELY. IF THEY COME IN, THEY CAN GET FOOD IMMEDIATELY AND THEY CAN HELP SELECT THE FOOD THAT THEY NEED, UH, IF WE HAVE IT ON SITE. NICE. YES. PROVIDE, I PROVIDE A BIT MORE DIGNITY TO THEM AS WELL. UM, YEAH, LIKE THE SHOPPING WE TALKED ABOUT. OKAY. YES. THE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED LAST TIME WAS CANINE HEALTH AND HOW IT WAS YES. I'M SO SORRY. I WROTE THAT DOWN AND LOST IT. UM, WE DID HIT A, A PEAK WITH THAT WITH AROUND AROUND 30 CANINES, UM, SICK ON SITE. OKAY. WE UTILIZED THREE DIFFERENT, UH, KENNEL AREAS TO ISOLATE DOGS, LIKE BASICALLY TRANSITIONING, UM, GENERAL POPULATION AREAS INTO ISOLATION TO HELP CONTROL THE SPREAD. UM, AT THIS TIME WE ARE DOWN TO TWO AREAS AND, UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE AT LESS THAN 20 RIGHT NOW. OH, LESS THAN 20 DOGS. MM-HMM. . SO PLAYGROUPS HAVEN'T STARTED. THEY HAVE NOT STARTED YET BECAUSE THAT ALL HAVE TO BE WELL, NO, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE HIT THE PLATEAU, WE STAYED AT THE PLATEAU FOR A WHILE. WE'RE SEEING THE FALL AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. BUT WE DID RESUME THE PUBLIC WALKTHROUGH SO THAT THEY CAN WALK THROUGH AND SEE THE ANIMALS AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT DOES HARM ADOPTIONS WHEN IT'S CLOSED. BUT THERE WERE 30 DOGS. MM-HMM. , LIKE HAD KENNEL CAUGHT RESPIRATORY. YES. GENERAL RESPIRATORY ILLNESS. YEAH. HOW'S THE, UH, MEDICAL BUDGET WITH ALL THAT GOING ON? UM, IT, THAT'S A LOT. IT, IT IS. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF ANTIBIOTICS, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT BUILT IN, SO IT'S JUST, IT WAS MORE AT ONCE THAN WE'RE USED TO. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, LIKE AS OF RIGHT NOW? YEAH. IT'S HARD TO PREDICT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REST OF THE YEAR WILL LOOK LIKE. KITTEN SEASON. RIGHT. I JUST, THAT'S WHY WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WITH THE REST OF THE YEAR 'CAUSE YOU'RE COMING INTO YEAH. YEP. WE ARE IN KITTEN SEASON NOW. WE DO HAVE, UM, DONATION FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THAT PURPOSE AS WELL. SO WE'RE, WE'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY. OH GOOD. THAT'S REALLY GOOD. COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR MEDICAL MM-HMM. WITH YOUR MEDICAL BUDGET? YEP. YES. EXCELLENT. AND THEY WERE, UM, ALL MILD ILLNESSES. NONE HAD TO BE HOSPITALIZED OR SENT OFF SITE FOR CARE, SO THAT KEPT THE COST LOW. IT WAS ESSENTIALLY JUST ANTIBIOTICS PURCHASING THE ANTIBIOTICS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND DID YOU GET, IS THAT GOOD ANSWER? I I, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT ALL THIS. UM, HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO'S GOING TO GO TO THE VET? WHO CAN BE TREATED ON SITE? I'M JUST CUR MM-HMM. . WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT OUTLINED BY OUR VETS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. YEP. UM, ONE MORE THING. UM, I, I KNOW I WAS TOLD WHEN I WAS THERE THAT SPAY NEUTER WAS CANCELED THIS MONTH BY LAUREL'S HOUSE. MM-HMM. . AND, AND I WAS TOLD THAT NO MORE, LIKE ONLY FERALS ARE, TELL ME IF I GOT IT RIGHT THAT ONLY FERALS ARE GONNA GO TO N NOW AND NOT JUST OUR SNIP CONTRACT IS FOR, UH, COMMUNITY CATS ONLY. AND IF THEY ARE NOT BEING RELEASED AS COMMUNITY CATS, THEN THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO N RIGHT. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. MM-HMM. AND NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA IMPLEMENT IT LIKE WE MAKING SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES. OKAY. YES MA'AM. SO WHAT ABOUT THE SPAY NEUTER? WHERE, WHAT'S THE PLAN? I MEAN, WE'RE WAY BEHIND. WE'VE GOT CATS AND STUFF. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DOG SITUATION. SO WHAT'S THE PLAN? WE ARE DISCUSSING THAT WITH, UM, MULTIPLE PARTIES TO, TO TRY TO IMPROVE IT. WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, THE ABILITY TO, TO GET NEW CONTRACTS, WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT CONTRACTS WILL BE RENEWED. ALL OF THAT IS IN PROGRESS. SO THAT DOESN'T SOUND REALLY RESPONSIVE. I'M NOT TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP HERE. IT SOUNDS LIKE CONTRACTS. AND WE'RE TALKING LIKE, DO YOU GUYS HAVE CREDIT CARDS WHERE YOU GUYS CAN PAY FOR SPAY NEUTER? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT CATS THAT ARE LIKE, I SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL LIKE MM-HMM. CATS SPRAY PEOPLE'S HOUSES. MM-HMM. AND THEN THEY JUST, RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE DOING LIKE LARGE AMOUNTS OF, OF MONEY THAT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONTRACT PROCESS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. MM-HMM. LIKE YEAH. FOR LIKE, YOU DEFINITELY NEED ANOTHER CONTRACT, BUT LIKE WE HAVE, UM, AT LEAST TWO MALES. MM-HMM. INTACT. STINKY. WE HAVE AN IN HEAT, FEMALE. MM-HMM. . AND WE, WE HAVE ANOTHER UNFIXED ADULT FEMALE. MM-HMM. . THAT'S WHAT I CHECKED ON SUNDAY. MM-HMM. . AND THOSE ARE IN THE ADOPTION ROOM? THEY'RE IN THE ADOPTION ROOM. YEAH. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S NOT TOO MANY TO DO BY CREDIT CARD. AND WE DO HAVE JUNE DATES, UM, ALREADY SCHEDULED AND SO THE CATS WILL BE MORE CAUGHT UP. THE CATS WERE ABLE TO GET IN MUCH QUICKER THROUGH LAUREL'S HOUSE. BUT, UM, AS FAR AS ADDITIONAL SURGERY OPTIONS, I AM WORKING ON IT WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE FOR IT YET BECAUSE IT'S HURTING OUR, OUR, UM, IT'S HURTING OUR, [00:15:01] I THINK IT'S HURTING OUR ADOPTIONS. OKAY. YEAH. OR I MEAN, AGAIN, OUR NUMBERS ARE UP, BUT I RESPECT YOUR OPINION ON THAT. WELL, THE KITTENS AND STUFF, BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE LIKE THE ADULTS THAT ARE LONG TERM AND THE, WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD SMELLY CATS IN THE ADOPTION ROOM FOR SO LONG AND IN HEAT CATS. AND THEN, SO THE PUBLIC DEFINITELY NOT IN PUBLIC SEES US ADOPTING OUT THE IN HEAT CATS. LIKE THIS LADY WAS PETTING THIS CAT WONDERING WHY SHE WAS BEHAVING LIKE SHE WAS. AND THEN LIKE I EXPLAINED TO HER, SHE'S IN HEAT AND SHE WAS VISIBLY UPSET. I'M LIKE, SHE'LL GO IN AND OUTTA HEAT UNTIL SHE'S, UNTIL SHE'S PREGNANT. IS THAT YEAH. MEAN, I MEAN TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I AM WORKING ON IT AND I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE AS OF THIS DATE. JUST CURIOUS. ARE WE UNDER CONTRACT WITH LAUREL'S HOUSE? WE ARE. AND THEY JUST LIKE BLEW US OFF FOR A MONTH. I MEAN, THEY CAN DO THAT WITH THE CONTRACT. THEY'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE THE NUMBER DUE TO THE VET SHORTAGE. THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VETS TO COMPLETE IT. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT AS WELL. SO THE CATS THAT ARE IN HEAT ARE NOT UNSPAYED AND NEUTERED. ARE WE ACTUALLY ADOPTING THEM OUT OR ARE THEY JUST THERE FOR PRE-ADOPTION? THEY CAN BE ADOPTED THE SAME AS THE OTHERS. WE JUST COUNSEL ON THOSE. HOW DOES THAT WORK WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT CATS CAN BE OUTSIDE? WE WOULD, WE WOULD COUNSEL ON KEEPING THEM INDOORS THE SAME AS WE COUNSEL WITH THE UNALTERED DOGS THAT GO HOME. A MALE CAT THAT'S PEEING IN YOUR HOUSE. IT'S GONNA BE OUTSIDE REAL QUICK. YEAH. REAL, REAL QUICK. BECAUSE YOU'D BE SURPRISED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT MALE CATS DO. MM-HMM. , I LIVED THE DREAM. I WAS 20 SOMETHING. IT HAPPENED TO ME. , AS SOON AS I HAVE AN UPDATE I WILL SHARE WITH YOU GUYS. I I I AM WORKING ON IT. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST CURIOUS THOUGH, IS IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO SEND UNSPAYED UN NEUTERED ANIMALS OUT BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY COULD STAY FOR AN ADDITIONAL WEEK OR WE COULD GET, WE COULD TRY TO WORK. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. YEAH. TO TRY TO WORK TO, I MEAN HOW MANY IS IT? WHAT WOULD YOU JUST SAY FOUR THAT ACCOUNTED ON SUNDAY? MM-HMM. . SO AGAIN, WE ARE RAISING SEXUALLY MATURE AND COMPLETELY, WE ARE INCREASING IN OUR CAPACITY. AND THE LONGER AN ANIMAL STAYS ON SITE, THE LONG, THE HIGHER THE PROBABILITY IS THAT IT WILL GET SICK AS WELL. UM, THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING ON, ON THE WHAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE AND HOW DO WE MEET THAT? AND IT IS CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING INTERNALLY, IT'S CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING WITH OTHER STAFF DEPARTMENTS. UM, IT IS, WE ARE AWARE AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TODAY. I KNOW I SENT AN EMAIL SAYING ANIMAL ALLIANCE AND, AND, AND FIXTURE PAT HAVE OPENINGS. I'M WILLING TO DRIVE. YEAH. AND I KNOW THE CITY HAS CREDIT CARDS, SO WHAT IF WE CAN, SO I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SO IF, I MEAN IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. OR LESS, I MEAN THEY CAN GET RABIES SEPARATE. SO, AND WE DO THE F-B-R-C-P. SO I, I DON'T KNOW THE PRICES, I DON'T FIX YOUR PET SPEND CONSIDERABLY LESS EXPENSIVE. THEY ARE ONE OF THE ONES I'M TRYING TO GET QUOTES FROM AS WELL. I HAVE SEVERAL I'M TRYING TO GET, BUT YOU NEED A QUOTE. IF YOU NEED A CONTRACT. IF YOU'RE JUST DROPPING IN FOUR CATS, YOU GOT A CREDIT CARD. RIGHT. BUT THOSE FOUR CATS AREN'T GONNA FIX THE ISSUE OF US BEING SIGNIFICANT. NO, YOU GOTTA DO BOTH. IT'S NOT ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT IT JUST TAKES CARE OF OUR SITUATION IN THE ADOPTION ROOM RIGHT NOW. AND I MEAN CATS THAT ARE GONNA JUST PEE UP THE OWNER'S PLACE, THEY STINK. I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO AS A STOPGAP IN THE MIDDLE. I CAN CHECK ON THAT IN THE MORNING. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW I THOUGHT THE CREDIT CARD LIKE FIX YOUR PET THE WEBSITE I WROTE IN THE EMAILS RIGHT IS LIKE, TAKE Y'ALL'S CREDIT CARD, LIKE RIGHT THERE. WE CAN DRIVE 'EM. BAM. I'D LOVE TO DO, I MEAN JUST, I I UNDERSTAND IT IS SOMETHING I, I WILL NEED TO CHECK ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S FEASIBLE IN THE MEANTIME. BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT. 'CAUSE I AGREE THAT IT IS A CONCERN, IT'S A CONCERN FOR ALL OF US AND WE ARE ALL WANTING A SOLUTION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE MAY IS A REALLY LONG TIME AWAY AND UH, AND I KNOW YOU NEED A LOT OF TIME TO GET A CONTRACT, SO I'M HOPING THERE'S A WORKAROUND TO THE CONTRACT AS AM I, WE'VE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WHEN, WHEN WE HAD FRIENDS AT LAKE CITY ANIMAL SHELTER, SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT THEY COULD DO. WE GO, HEY, WE NEED THESE FIXED, WE NEED 'EM FIXED NOW. CAN YOU COVER THAT? AND THEY JUST COVER THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T NEED TO GET A CONTRACT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BENEFITS IN WORKING WITH, UH, A BACKER. LIKE WE GOT THAT STUFF DONE, IT WAS JUST DONE QUICKLY AND IT WAS THAT KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW. BUT IF THE CITY CAN USE THE CREDIT CARDS THAT THEY GIVE THESE GUYS TO HELP, THAT WOULD BE WHATEVER'S GREAT. I MEAN, WE ALL WANNA DRIVE THEM AND HELP AND TRANSPORT WHATEVER WE CAN. I APPRECIATE THAT. SURE. ARE ANY QUESTIONS? MORE QUESTIONS ON THE UPDATE FOR THE SHELTER? GOOD. UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. DID ANYONE SIGN UP? NO. MR. BUDDY ON THE LIST. OKAY. NOBODY ON THE LIST. AND THE NEXT ON ITEM [5. Discussion on updates to Animal Ordinance language ] FIVE IS DISCUSSIONS ON UPDATES TO ANIMAL ORDINANCE LANGUAGE [00:20:03] THAT WOULD BE . WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED LIKE IN THIS LAST MONTH. SO WHATEVER WE CAN TRY TO HELP, I GUESS WITH THE, WITH THE SHORTFALL THERE WOULD BE YES. I'VE BEEN HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS ALL DAY EVERY DAY. PROMISE. I DON'T DOUBT THAT. I I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE'RE GOOD, MICHELLE. OH WELL YEAH, WE SAID SHE WAS THE NEXT ITEM UP, SO I'M JUST WAITING. YEAH. OKAY. SO FIRST LET ME KIND OF EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF WHAT STAFF HAS DONE SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU'VE TALKED TO US SO YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE WORKING ON IT AND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM ON THAT. COULD, COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? JUST, OH, I'M SO SORRY. YES. MY NAME IS MICHELLE VIAL. I'M THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR LAKE CITY. UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN REALLY INVOLVED IN THE TRAP, INTER RELEASE OR THE ANIMAL ISSUES RELATED TO THE CATS, BUT CERTAINLY I WAS, UH, STAFF WAS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND WAS ABLE TO BRING ME UP TO SPEED ON A LOT OF THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS BROUGHT FORWARD. SO THE LAST TIME THAT I CAME TO THE COMMITTEE BEING IS KIND OF THE PERSON WHO'S KIND OF A COMING IN AND NOT REALLY UNDER BEEN PART OF ALL OF YOUR MEETINGS. REALLY WHAT I DID AT THAT LAST MEETING IS LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS AND TO THE ISSUES THAT I NOTICED THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT. I KNOW THAT, UM, THE CHAIR WAS ABLE TO GIVE US SOME KIND OF RED LINE EDITS OF HIGHLIGHTING SOME ISSUES THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT. WE HAD A LOT OF DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT. AND THEN AT THAT LAST MEETING, WHAT WE COMMITTED TO YOU IS TO GO BACK AND LET STAFF DO OUR WORK AND, AND KIND OF COLLABORATE AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT, UM, THE BEST PATH FORWARD THAT COULD MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAS CERTAINLY IDENTIFIED FOR STAFF. SO IN THE INTERIM, WHAT WE DID IS WE CERTAINLY TOOK A LOOK AT A LOT OF THOSE RED LINE EDITS THAT YOU PROVIDED TO US. WE, UH, LISTENED AGAIN TO THE, UM, LOOKED AT THE DRAFT MINUTES AGAIN. UM, WHAT I CAN SAY FOR OUR OFFICE IS WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY. WE INCLUDED THE CITY MANAGER, WE INCLUDED, UM, CHIEF OF STAFF, WE INCLUDED THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, WE INCLUDED OTHER MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO, UH, MEMBERS FROM THE ANIMAL CONTROL. AND WE REALLY JUST HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW BEST TO PROCEED AND WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED AND ALSO WHAT WAS THE, THE AVENUES THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CAN, THOSE ISSUES CAN BE ADDRESSED. AND WE KIND OF CAME TO SOME CONCLUSIONS AND THE CONCLUSIONS OF A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AND BELIEVE ME, WE SPENT HOURS UPON HOURS HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FOLKS ON THIS, IS THAT THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED CAN REALLY BE SEPARATED INTO TWO KIND OF CATEGORIES. ONE HAS TO DO WITH POLICY IMPLEMENTATION AND THE OTHER HAS TO DO WITH ORDINANCES. IF YOU RECALL, OUR CHIEF OF POLICE WAS, UM, HERE AT THE LAST MEETING, HE KIND OF IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE SOME INHERENT LIMITATIONS WITH ORDINANCE DOCUMENTS AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT ON HOW WE IMPLEMENT THEM AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE IN THE ORDINANCES AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE IN POLICY DOCUMENTS WITH ORDINANCES. THEY ARE LAWS THAT WE ARE PA THAT ARE PASSED BY OUR CITY COUNCIL. THERE ARE REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT ARE IMPOSED ON EITHER CITY STAFF OR REGULATIONS THAT ARE IMPOSED ON VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE CITIZENS. IT'S IN, IT'S DESIGNED TO KIND OF TELL YOU THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO WITHIN A, THE BOUNDS OF THE CITY LIMITS AND SO FORTH. THEN THERE'S ALSO POLICY DOCUMENTS. POLICY DOCUMENTS ARE DOCUMENTS THAT DEAL WITH HOW A PROGRAM IS TO BE RUN. WHAT ARE THEIR CRITERIA. IF YOU HAVE PROGRAMS RELATED TO TRAP NEW RELEASE OR IF YOU HAVE PROGRAMS RELATED TO ANOTHER THING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, THEN THOSE DOCUMENTS KIND OF GOVERN HOW A PROGRAM, THE MECHANICS OF IT. WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO A LOT OF YOUR COMMENTS, UM, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS SENT US, UH, SEEMED TO CENTER AROUND HOW YOUR, THE TRAP NEED TO RELEASE, HOW IT WOULD IDENTIFY CATS, WHETHER THAT BE FRIENDLY. WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT FRIENDLY CATS WOULD INADVERTENTLY BE RELEASED AND IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE RELEASED OUT INTO THE WILD AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THEIR SURVIVAL SKILLS TO THRIVE. AND SO YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE A CAT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE A FAMILY PET WOULD SUDDENLY BE THROWN OUT INTO THE WILD AND AGAIN, COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SOME FERAL CATS THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO GO INTO FAMILY HOMES. AND SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT IS THE CRITERIA OF A FRIENDLY CAT VERSUS A NON-FRIENDLY CAT VERSUS AN OWN CAT. HOW DO YOU DETERMINE IF SOMETHING IS OWNED? ALL OF THESE ARE APPROPRIATELY POLICY CONSIDERATIONS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED. AND SO WE TOOK THE LOOK OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH I HAVE UP HERE, AND I TRIED TO, TO INCREASE THE FONTS SO THAT EVERYONE HERE COULD SEE, AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I THINK DO NEED TO BE UPDATED WITH THE ORDINANCE. AND SO I HAVE THOSE RED LINES IN HERE NOW AND I WANNA REVIEW THOSE WITH YOU. UM, BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS AS WELL THAT NEEDS THAT GO INTO THE, THE NATURE OF THE PROGRAM THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED, I THINK APPROPRIATELY IN A POLICY DOCUMENT. AND I KNOW THAT WE RECEIVED A STATEMENT OF INTENT, WHICH IS [00:25:01] A GREAT START, BUT AS LYNETTE WAS SAYING, WE HAVE A NEW ANIMAL SHELTER MANAGER. WE NEED HER TO COME UP WITH A POLICY DOCUMENT THAT SHE CAN BE PRESENTED, THAT SHE CAN, CAN SHOW ALL OF STAFF THAT SHE CAN SHOW ALL OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE RUN. SO I'M GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT RED LINES WE'RE SUGGESTING HERE TO GO TO COUNCIL, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT KIND OF, UH, MOVING FORWARD THE GENERAL TALK WHEN WE'RE KIND OF INCLUDING IN THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY MANAGEMENT AND WITH CHIEF OF POLICE AND SO FORTH, IS THAT FOR THE POLICY DOCUMENTS BEFORE WE FINALIZE THOSE, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE THE NEW ANIMAL SHELTER HAVE A CHANCE TO OPINE ON THESE BECAUSE THESE DOCUMENTS IN THIS PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT SHE'S GONNA HAVE TO RUN. AND SO SHE SHOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THESE. I THINK WE ALL GENERALLY ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS WE NEED TO HAVE APPROPRIATE CRITERIA TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S A FERAL CAT AND WHAT'S A FRIENDLY CAT AND HOW LONG TO HOLD THEM AND WHETHER OR NOT TO HOLD 'EM FOR THREE DAYS OR FIVE DAYS OR 10 DAYS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. UM, SHE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND KIND OF EVALUATE THE PROGRAM AND OFFER WITH HER EXPERTISE KIND OF SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS FIRST AND I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS. UM, IF YOU WANT TO, LET'S SEE IF I CAN. THERE IT IS. SO FIRST SECTION, FORGIVE ME, I'M GETTING OLDER AND MY EYES ARE, I WOULD PUT ON READING GLASSES, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY GONNA HELP ME DEFINITIONS. UH, NO NOT TOUCHING DEFINITIONS AT THIS TIME. OKAY, SO, OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT, YOU DIDN'T GO BACK AND DO ANYTHING WITH THE DEFINITIONS? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. I I RED LINE THESE SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, IT'LL POP OUT. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHICH ONES. LET ME JUST GO THROUGH AND IT'S POSSIBLE. OH, THERE IT IS. OKAY. THE FIRST ONE IS, THERE'S THIS ONE SECTION ABOUT ANIMALS TRESSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE ACTUALLY HAD A VERY LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF IT, BUT THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT STRUCK OUT IS PROBLEMATIC. IT'S PROBLEMATIC FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD NOT ONE, BUT AT LEAST FIVE DIFFERENT COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARTICULAR ANIMALS AND STAFF IS CONCERNED THAT THIS PARTICULAR SECTION SOMEHOW PREVENTS THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND DEAL WITH A CAT THAT IS, AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, THE A CAT THAT IS A NUISANCE CAT, NOT A FERAL CAT THAT'S JUST KIND OF PASSING THROUGH, BUT A CAT THAT'S MARKING A TERRITORY OR ANTAGONIZING OTHER PETS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AND THAT LANGUAGE IS CERTAINLY GONNA BE RECOMMENDED TO BE DELETED. IF WE NEED CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE POLICY OF HOW TO DEAL WITH FERAL CATS, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT FOR THE ORDINANCE, THIS LANGUAGE, UH, CAUSES ISSUES WITH OUR PROSECUTION AND OUR ANIMAL CONTROL ENFORCEMENT DIVISION. SO THIS IS THE RED LINES THAT, THAT YOU GUYS IMPLEMENTED. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO COUNSEL. YES. YEAH. SO IT ALREADY SAID THIS DOES NOT APPLY AND YOU'RE DELETING THAT SO THAT UH, ACOS OR WHATEVER, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE A NU A NUISANCE CAT IF IT'S A NUISANCE CAT IS, IT'S A FERAL CAT OBVIOUSLY, AND IT'S PASSING THROUGH. THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO ACTION FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS TO TAKE. BUT IF THERE'S SOME CAT IN THERE, THAT AGAIN IS A NUISANCE ISSUE. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LET THEM DEAL WITH IT IF THEY NEED TO. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THERE IS THIS LANGUAGE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALONG THE LINES. NO ONE IS ARGUING WITH THE NEED FOR HOLDING PERIOD, BUT THE TYPE OF DETAIL THAT THIS GOES INTO, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP CLEAR WHAT'S AN ORDINANCE AND WE CLEAR WHAT SHOULD BE A POLICY CONSIDERATION THAT UNDERLINED OR THAT STRUCK OUT LANGUAGE ALSO CAUSED SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY MORE OF A POLICY CONSIDERATION FOR HOW THE ANIMAL CONTROL STAFF IS TO BE HANDLING OR IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM. AND SO SINCE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF KIND OF CLEANING UP AND GOING THROUGH AND STREAMLINING THE ORDINANCE, THIS WAS SUGGESTED TO BE DELETED. THIS ISSUE CAN BE ADDRESSED AND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE POLICY DOCUMENTS. BUT AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE THAT'S POSTED ONLINE ON OUR MUNI CODE THAT PEOPLE WOULD WRITE TICKETS FOR AND SO FORTH, IT DOESN'T QUITE FIT IN IN THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, AN ORDINANCE IS FOR LAWS, POLICIES ARE FOR KIND OF PROCEDURES AND SO FORTH. SO IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THAT BE DELETED AS LAW. SO HOLD ON A SEC. THE HOLDING PERIOD FOR ANY ANIMAL, I'M SURE. CAN YOU SEE THAT? OKAY? UH, YEAH. OTHER THAN AN AN OWNED CAT, WHAT WAS THE, DON'T YOU MEAN ANY ANIMAL OTHER THAN AN OWNED CAT? THIS WAS LANGUAGE. I THINK THAT ALSO, UM, THE BOARD SUGGESTED BE DELETED AS WELL AND I AGREED WITH THE BOARD THAT IT SHOULD BE DELETED. I'M CONFUSED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT B HERE. SHOULD IT JUST SAY ANY ANIMAL SEIZED AND IMPOUNDED? THEN WE WE CAN ADD THAT WHAT ANY ANIMAL UNC CATT SEIZED IMPOUNDED. I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I THINK THE LEADING THAT LAST SENTENCE ACCOMPLISHES WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO BY REMOVE THE PROCEDURE. Y YEAH, I'M I'M I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT WHAT YOU CROSSED OFF. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HOLDING PERIOD. [00:30:01] SO AND THAT IS EXISTING LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW? YEAH. OKAY. YOU CROSSED OUT EXISTING LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXISTING LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IN CASE YOU WERE CONFUSED, THAT'S ALL. YEAH. SO ANY ANIMAL OTHER THAN AN UNOWNED CAT IM SHALL BE HELD FOR A MINIMUM OF 72 HOURS. SO WHAT DON'T MEAN AN OWNED CAT? ANY ANIMAL OTHER THAN AN OWNED CAT SHALL BE I HELD FOR A MINIMUM OF 72 HOURS. BECAUSE IF YOU GOT AN OWNED CAT, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TO HOLD IT. WHAT SECTION IS THIS? IS THIS 18 DASH NINE? I HAVE, IT'S 18 DASH NINE 18 DASH NINE B. OKAY. THAT ORIGINALLY WAS IN TO SAY THAT UNKNOWN CATS COULD BE, UM, RETURNED EARLIER THAN 72 HOURS. MM-HMM. . THAT'S SAYING THAT EVERY ANIMAL SHOULD BE HELD A MINIMUM OF 72 HOURS BEFORE IT IS RELEASED, ADOPTED, TRANSFERRED. X, Y, Z RETURNED TO OWNER EVEN. NO, THAT'S WHY I WAS, I WAS LIKE, NO, THAT'S, I THINK YOU'RE MISINTERPRETING IT. I I IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO ME. NO, IT'S IT'S SAYING THAT WE WOULD HOLD THEM DURING THE IMPOUNDMENT PERIOD BEFORE DISPOSITIONING OTHERWISE, SO THEY CAN, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO BE RECLAIMED IN THAT PERIOD. BUT IT'S SAYING IF YOUR CAT OR YOUR DOG OR WHATEVER COMES IN LOST, WE ARE GONNA HOLD IT AT LEAST 72 HOURS BEFORE WE ADOPT IT OUT TO SOMEONE ELSE. ACTUALLY, NOW I'M SEEING YOUR POINT. YOU SEE MY POINT? NO, I AM . WHY IS THE UNKNOWN CAT AN EXCEPTION? LIKE VERSUS UNKNOWN DOG? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I THINK WELL AND NOT EVEN IT'S THE UNKNOWN PART THAT'S YEAH. ITS THE UNKNOWN PART. MM-HMM. OTHER THAN AN UNKNOWN CAT. IF WE CAN TAKE A CAT IN, I THINK THAT'S DETERMINED TO BE FERAL OR SOME CAT THAT'S ALREADY EAR CHIPPED. MM-HMM. THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO RELEASE IT BACK TO ITS HOME, WHEREVER IT'S COMING FROM. AND SO WE WANTED TO, I THINK WHEN THIS WAS IN, I WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL, BUT WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DRAFTED, WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT CARVE OUT THAT SECTION BECAUSE THE CONCERN AT THAT TIME WAS WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT DOGS THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PAST. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE'S NO, I KNOW, BUT I'M, I, AND FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT, I'M TRYING TO UNDER TELL YOU KIND OF THE BACKGROUND OF WHY THIS LANGUAGE IS, WAS WRITTEN THE WAY THAT WAY IT'S BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO RELEASE OUT CATS THAT AREN'T OUR FERAL CATS THAT ARE UNOWNED SO THAT THEY COULD GO BACK TO THEIR HOME OF WHEREVER THEY'RE LIVING WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE THIS 72 HOUR HOLD. AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THIS LANGUAGE WAS, WAS CHOSEN. SO YOU'RE PROPOSING LEAVING THIS LANGUAGE HERE? YES. ANNIE, CAN YOU SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT? THIS IS 18, THIS IS 18 DASH NINE. SO UNDER A, UNDER A, IT BASICALLY TELLS YOU THAT A COMMUNITY CAT, WHICH WE WERE WANTING TO BE CALLED A AN EAR TIP CAT BEFORE, BUT WHATEVER, THAT'S A DEFINITION LATER. BUT A COMMUNITY CAT BASICALLY IT, THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO A COMMUNITY CAT, SO THEREFORE YOU DON'T I SEE WHAT THAT, THERE IT IS. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? LIKE A ALREADY SAYS THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO A COMMUNITY CAT AND A COMMUNITY CAT WON'T BE IMPOUNDED. SO, SO B AUTOMATICALLY DEFAULTS TO, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A CAT THAT'S OUT AND IS ALREADY SPAY OR NEUTERED. OKAY. HOW DO THEY KNOW IF IT'S A COMMUNITY CAT? AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING CRITERIA INVOLVED WITH OUR POLICY ON WHAT A COMMUNITY CAT IS AND SO FORTH. EITHER IT'S EAR TIPPED OR IT'S HAS A, A TATTOO. NO, NO, NO, NO. BECAUSE THEY'VE EAR TIPPED THE NICE CATS FOR THE PAST YEAR. MM-HMM. , THEY'RE NO LONGER CAN'T LOOK AT THE EAR TIP AS A, A CRITERIA BECAUSE IF MY CAT GETS IN SOMEONE'S TRUCK AND ENDS UP SOMEWHERE ELSE, I WANT IT BACK. NOT JUST, OH, IT'S AN EAR TIPPED CAT. LET IT GO. NOW MY PEOPLE ADOPTED THESE CATS AND NOW LIKE, SO THERE'S LIKE, SO I I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THAT THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY POLICY, NOT BY ORDINANCE. BUT THIS SAYS THAT IF ONE OF MY CATS, GOD HELP 'EM IF THEY EVER GET LOOSE 'CAUSE THEY WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO SURVIVE IS FOUND BY AN A CO. THEY'RE REQUIRING IT TO BE AT THE SHELTER FOR 72 HOURS. THAT'S HOW I'M SEEING THAT. MM-HMM. . YES. THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE CURRENT REGULATION IN PLACE BE HELD. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO BE THERE FOR 72. YOU CAN CLAIM IT WITHIN THAT TIME. IF YOU CLAIM IT, IF YOU NOTICE YOUR ANIMAL IS IS GONE AND YOU COME AND LOOK AT ANIMAL SHELTER, BASICALLY THEY CAN'T PUT IT, THEY CAN'T PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION. MM-HMM. BEFORE 72 HOURS IS CORRECT CLAIM WE CAN'T TRANSFER IT TO A RESCUE GROUP. YEAH. PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION. YOU KNOW, ANY OF THAT. I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THIS ONE, BUT DO YOU WANT ME TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE CHANGES? IT'S OKAY. SO YOU DIDN'T GO OVER THE, YOU DIDN'T CHANGE THE DEFINITIONS. IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THOSE DEFINITIONS [00:35:01] OF COMMUNITY CAT IN THESE YES. IN THE, SO YOU'RE USING THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY CAT PLEASE? ? YES. YOU'LL HAVE TO HELP ME IF I AM. SKIP PAST IT. LET ME SEE IF I CAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION WAS. I HAVE A ALL THE STRIKETHROUGHS. YEAH, I HAVE SO MANY STRIKETHROUGHS I DON'T REMEMBER COMMUNITY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. I DID JUST ASK FREE ROAMING CAP MAY. OKAY. AND WE DID LOOK, SO IT'S JUST ANY CAP THAT'S OUTSIDE CAN BE FRIENDLY, CAN BE OWNED, CAN BE COMMUNITY, WHO KNOWS IT'S A CAT. MM-HMM . THERE ARE SO MANY, MANY ARE NEEDED AS IT'S A CAT. THERE ARE SO MANY VARYING SITUATIONS OF A CAT THAT IF WE TRY TO SPARSE OUT, IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS TO USE CRITERIA. AND ACTUALLY WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH NOT JUST, UM, STAFF MAKING THE DETERMINATION, BUT IT'S LIKE A COLLABORATIVE DECISION. WHENEVER THEY GET CATS IN, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS THE CAT WE HAVE, DO YOU GUYS AGREE THAT THIS IS A FERAL CAT, A COMMUNITY CAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND THE IDEA IS MOVING FORWARD THAT COLLABORATION WILL CONTINUE, BUT THAT TYPE OF HOW TO MAKE THOSE AND WHAT, WHAT THE CRITERIA WOULD BE, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR AN ORDINANCE. IT'S REALLY SOMETHING FOR STAFF TO KIND OF WORK OUT BECAUSE THOSE, SOME OF THOSE CRITERIA MAY BE KIND OF DYNAMIC AND IT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF SOMETHING THAT'S CONTROLLED BY KIND OF WHAT THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER SAYS, WHAT THE ANIMAL MANAGER DOES AND ALSO WITH NEW STUFF. AND SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT BELONGS IN AN ORDINANCE. WHICH IS WHY WHEN WE READ THIS AND WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEFINITION, WE FELT THAT IT WAS BROUGHT ENOUGH TO ENCOMPASS AND ACCOMPLISH WHAT IT NEEDED TO DO IN THE ORDINANCE. IF WE WANTED TO HAVE FURTHER DEFINITIONS OR FURTHER FLESHING OUT OUR CRITERIA AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN A POLICY DOCUMENT. I THINK WE WELCOME THAT. I THINK WE ACTUALLY NEED WAY MORE DETAIL BECAUSE THE WAY THAT, FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT COULD COME UP AND THE SITUATIONS THAT COULD APPLY, UM, SOME OF THE CHANGES I DON'T THINK GO FAR ENOUGH. UM, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE JUST INCREDIBLY MORE AMOUNTS OF DETAIL SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. I JUST DON'T, THAT AMOUNT OF DETAIL IS A POLICY CONSIDERATION. IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE. AN ORDINANCE IS LEGALITY IN WRITING CITATIONS AND WHEN YOU GO TO COURT YOU CITE SOMETHING. SO FOR THOSE THINGS, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR FOR THAT. I THINK THAT THOSE, UM, SUGGESTED SOME OF THOSE SUGGESTED EDITS OF THE LAST ONE ARE A GREAT START. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OF IT. IT'S JUST NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT. THIS DEFINITION IS WHAT THE CITY, AS FAR AS I RECALL, THIS DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY CAT IS WHAT THE CITY POINTED TO AND SAID I CAN JUST RELEASE ALL THE FRIENDLY CATS I TAKE IN. OKAY. THIS WAS, THAT'S HOW WE GOT STARTED HERE. THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE. THAT'S THAT, THAT WAS THE WHOLE, SO THAT'S GONNA LET THE POLICY CONTINUE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT WAS WHAT THE CITY POINTED TO AND SAID THIS ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN TO RELEASE A CAT TO JUST WRITE BACK WHERE IT WAS, WHATEVER. I DON'T THINK IT QUITE GOES THAT FAR TO GIVE A CARTE BLANCHE BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER REGULATIONS FURTHER ON THAT THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SCROLL TO. OKAY, GOOD. THAT, THAT TALK ABOUT THE TRAP NEUTER RELEASE PROGRAM AND IT TALKS ABOUT THAT. MAYBE WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY POINTED TO HERE. SO KEEP GOING. SURE. JUST WANTED TO HAPPY TO DO THAT. I THINK MY MOUSE IS OH, OH, OH, WHAT'S GOING ON? WORLD DONKEY DAY. DID I SAY THAT? ? YEAH. LET'S SEE. ARE THEY ALLOWED NOT IN CITY. WE HAVE THAT SECTION. WE HAVE I EMPOWERMENTS WORLD DONKEY DAY DANGERS OR FISHERS ANIMALS. SORRY, THAT WAS IN HERE WHEN SHE HIT HER NEWS, FEEDED CAME. OH, WE NEED A LOT DONKEYS TOO. THEY ARE THE MOST ANNOYING ANIMALS. SO FUNNY. OOPS. OOPS. PARDON ME IF I PASS IT, LET ME KNOW. NO, IT WAS, IT WAS ALL TOWARDS THE END. SO YOU, WHAT WAS THE, DO YOU REMEMBER THE SECTION ON THAT TRAP AT 1836? THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. SORRY, I AM PROBABLY COULD HAVE GIVEN YOU THAT FIVE MINUTES AGO. . SORRY. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT THE TRAP NEUTER RELEASE PROGRAM. SO WE DO HAVE THAT DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY CATS, BUT WE HAVE THIS SECTION AS WELL THAT IS MORE PRESCRIPTIVE AND ACTUALLY HAS THE REQUIREMENTS ON THAT. SO THIS LIMITS YOU FROM RELEASING ANY SORT OF CAT YOU WANT. IT HAS TO BE A CAT THAT KIND OF FITS [00:40:01] THIS. SO THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT KIND OF GOVERN WHEN YOU GET TO TRAP AND WHEN YOU GET TO RELEASE. SO THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM, UH, SECTION 1836 A ONE THEY ALSO POINTED TO SEE WE CAN TRAP 'EM AND JUST PUT 'EM ALL BACK. AND THEN NUMBER TWO SAYS THE EAR TIPPED CAT RECEIVED BY SHELTERS WILL BE RETURNED TO THE LOCATION. UH, YEAH. YEAH. UNLESS VETERINARY CARE. SEE THAT SOME THE NICE CATS ARE EARED NOW AND I I WANT MY CAT BACK. YEAH. OKAY. BUT SO I THINK PART OF TWO IS IF IT'S, IF IT'S EAR TIPPED AND MICROCHIPPED, THEN IT BELONGS TO SOMEBODY AND THAT PERSON WOULD BE CONTACTED AT THIS POINT IN TIME. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. SO THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO A CAT THAT'S OWNED. IF SOMEBODY, IF WE, IF THE CITY TRAPS A CAT OR SOMEBODY TRAPS A CAT BRINGS IT IN, YES, IT'S EAR TIPPED. BUT IF IT'S NOT MICROCHIPPED THEN IT WOULD GO BACK TO WHERE IT CAME FROM. THEY MICROCHIP EVERYTHING. OKAY. THEN IF IT'S MICROCHIP AND IT'S DEEMED NOT OWNED BY ANYONE SPECIFICALLY THAT IT WAS ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM AS A, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. IT JUST SAYS WILL BE RETURNED. I KNOW THAT'S A BUT THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S A PROCEDURE BY THE, IT'S A LAW 'CAUSE RIGHT? SHE SAID THESE ORDINANCE ARE LAWS. YEAH, BUT THAT'S AND I THE CITY, BUT THAT'S THE BYPASSING THE PROCEDURE OF OF, OF SCANNING FOR A MICROCHIP. THAT'S, I'M SORRY. THAT'S A PROCEDURE. THIS IS A LAW. RIGHT? THIS TAKES PRECEDENCE. COME ON PATTY. I'M JUST TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT SHE TOLD ME. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. AND YOU, AND YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT. THIS IS A LAW AND THE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE APPROPRIATE PROCEDURE. AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS SCANNING FOR MICROCHIPS WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERN THAT YOU'VE RAISED. THEY ALL, THEY CAN'T ALWAYS SCAN FOR MICROCHIPS IF THE CAT IS FRACTIOUS BECAUSE OF LIKE THE, A CAT CATS COME IN FRACTIOUS. FOR EXAMPLE, BLUE BOY CAME IN YESTERDAY SUPER FRACTIOUS BECAUSE HE JUST GOT CHASED UP THE TREE BY TWO DOGS. IT'S ALL ON VIDEO YET YOU'RE SAYING THE CAT CAME IN AND THAT NO ONE COULD EVER SCAN IT FOR A MICROCHIP. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE HAD FRACTIOUS CATS WHERE YOU CAN'T SCAN YES , SOME MAY NEED EITHER A CALM DOWN PERIOD OR THEY MAY BE SCANNED AT THE TIME OF SURGERY OR THEY MAY USE THE EXTENDED WAND TO SCAN SAFELY. THEY'RE NOT ALL ABLE TO BE SCANNED THE MOMENT OF INTAKE AND, BUT STILL, OKAY, I'M JUST SAYING IT CAN BE RELEASED WILL BE, WILL BE RETURNED. I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SAY MAYBE DON'T, I DON'T SAY THAT AS A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE IF IT'S FRACTIOUS AS, WHICH IS A CONCERN YOU RAISED, THAT ISSUE CAN BE ADDRESSED WITH THE METHODS THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT. EITHER YOU WAIT TILL IT'S CALMED DOWN OR YOU HAVE THE LONG RING. SO THAT ISSUE OF A CAT THAT'S MICROCHIPPED BELONGING TO SOMEONE ELSE AND BEING RELEASED ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. I DON'T UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULD MAKE POLICY AT THE SHELTER TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT THE LAW WILL ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS SECTION, SECTION NEAR TIP CAT RECEIVED WILL BE RETURNED TO THE LOCATION. IT DOESN'T SAY, MAYBE IT SAYS WILL BE RETURNED TO THE SHE TO THE LOCATION WHERE TRAPPED. IT DOESN'T SAY MAYBE IT DOESN'T GIVE THE SHELTER ANY LEEWAY THERE, BUT, BUT THE TOP A SAYS SHALL BE PERMITTED, THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS SHALL BE PERMITTED. IS IT, I MEAN, IS IT CRAZY TO SAY AN EAR TIPPED, AN UNOWNED EAR TIPPED CAT? LIKE I'M, IF THAT WOULD, WOULD UH, SWAY YOUR, YOUR CONCERN? I'M HAPPY. I DON'T, I THINK THAT IT'S FINE. I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT I THINK IT SHOULD SAY, MAYBE I CAN ADD THAT RETURNED. OTHERWISE YOU'RE FORCING, I'M SORRY, PATTY. THE LAW SAYS THE ORDINANCE SETS IT IS A LAW CITY TOLD THIS IN MY FACE. SO MY, THE ROLE THAT WE LOOK AT IS WE LOOK AT LANGUAGE AND THIS IS WHY LANGUAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT A, IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS SHALL BE PERMITTED. THAT MEANS IT'S PERMITTED. IT ALREADY, YOU YOU SUGGESTED ADDING THE WORD MAY IT'S UNNECESSARY ADDITION BECAUSE IT SAYS IT SHALL BE PERMITTED. IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MANDATE THAT IT'LL HAPPEN EVERY TIME. IT JUST SAYS IT SHALL BE PERMITTED. SO IT'S ALREADY A PERMISSIVE, UH, ACTION THAT'S IMPOSED. IT'S NOT ANYTIME WE GET AN EAR KIT CAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE JUST GONNA, WITHOUT EVEN CHECKING ANYTHING, IT JUST SAYS IF WE HAVE A CAT AND WE CHECK AND MAKE SURE AND WE CHECK THAT IT'S NOT MICROCHIPPED ANYONE, STAFF IS EMPOWERED TO RELEASE IT. THAT IS ALL THIS IS. IT'S THEY'RE, THEY'RE PERMITTED TO. IT DOESN'T SAY THAT STAFF CAN ONLY DO THAT. IT SAYS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO SO THAT, BUT ADDING THE WORD MOUTH, BUT SHE SAYS WILL BE SO I HEAR YOU. YES. BUT, BUT YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE, IT'S LAWYER GONNA GIMME THE SAME INTERPRETATION, YOU KNOW, , YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? INSISTENT INTERPRETATION. I'M TRYING TO KIND OF, UM, POINT OUT THAT I THINK YOUR ISSUES ARE BEING ADDRESSED. LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE EVERY ISSUE THAT YOU'RE, YOU AND THE COMMITTEE HAVE KIND OF RAISED IS BEING ADDRESSED. AND, AND I I BELIEVE THEY ARE. I CAN JUST SEE. I CAN JUST SEE. IT SAYS WILL BE, I MEAN I'VE HAD, I'VE HAD SO MANY OF THESE THROWN. OKAY, HOW ABOUT UNOWNED? IF YOU ADDED THE WORD UNOWNED IN FRONT OF EART TIPS, UNOWNED IMPLIES THEY SCANNED [00:45:01] FOR THE MICROCHIP. THE MICROCHIP DOESN'T GO TO ANYONE. OR IT'S ALREADY DOCUMENTED AS A, OR IT GOES TO SOMEONE AND THEY CAN'T FIND THEM. YEAH. OR WHAT THAT HAPPENS A LOT. I'M, WE ARE HAPPY TO ADD THAT CLARIFICATION. AND, AND AND THERE'S ALSO LIKE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU WON'T RETURN THE EAR TIPPED CAT ANYWAY. RIGHT. I MEAN THERE ARE SITUATIONS LIKE WE'VE HAD CODE ISSUES WHERE WE PICKED UP 12 CATS EVEN THOUGH THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE. I MEAN, SO THIS WHOLE THING TO ME DOESN'T GIVE THE ACOS LIKE THE LATITUDE THEY WOULD WANT, BUT 'CAUSE IT SAYS WILL NOT MAY, BUT THAT SUB A SAYS SHALL BE PERMITTED. SO THAT THAT LETS YOU KNOW THE WAY THAT'S WORDED IS IF THEY, IF THEY MAKE THAT DISCRETIONARY DECISION, THEY CAN RELEASE IT. THEY'RE EMPOWERED TO SO THAT THAT SUBPART A IS IS THE CRITICAL LANGUAGE SHALL BE PERMITTED MEANS YOU'LL PERMIT THEM TO RETURN THEM TO THE LOCATION. IF THEY'RE IRRITATED, IT MEANS IF THEY WANT TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THAT OPTION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. HMM. I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE POLICY LOOKS LIKE FOR THAT. AND THEN SO DO WE WANT TO ADD UNKNOWN UNKNOWN IN FRONT OF EAR TAP? WELL, I MEAN THERE'S WILL THAT AS ASSUAGE SOME OF THE FEAR THERE OR I I THINK MAY WILL WILL HELP BECAUSE I TELL YOU MAY, MAY IS ADDRESSED BY WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS MAY IS ADDRESSED BY THE PART WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT SHALL BE PERMITTED. YEAH. THE FOLLOWING ACTION SHALL BE PERMITTED THAT A NEAR TIP CAT WILL BE RETURNED TO LOCATION. I CAN JUST SEE SOMEBODY READING THIS TO ME. PATTY, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND IT SHALL BE PERMITTED THAT THE SHELTER WILL, WILL RETURN THREE HAS THE WORD MAY CAN TWO CHANGE TO THE WORD MAY. YES. THANK YOU. I MEAN IT'S PERMITTED A SAYS IT'S PERMITTED THAT THEY WILL RETURN THE CAT. SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, IT'S PERMITTED THAT THEY WILL DO THAT. THAT'S HOW I READ THAT THOSE ACTIONS ARE PERMITTED. THAT PERMIT, THEY PERMIT WILL RETURN THE CAT AND WILL IS A REQUIREMENT. THE ACT OF RETURNING THEM WILL BE PERMITTED. YEAH. IT'S NOT REQUIRING THEM TO DO THAT. THEY'RE DESCRIBING THE ACTION THAT IT IS A PERMITTED ACTION. IT IT'S PERMITTED. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO TAKE A NEAR TIPPED CAT AND RETURN IT BACK BASED ON THE FOLLOWING A PROCEDURE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THEN IT IT'S, YOU'RE YOU'RE TAKING IT ALMOST TOO LITERALLY. I THINK REALLY I'M NOT CRITICIZING. I, I THINK I AGREE. I I IT'S, IT'S A LAW. I'M REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT SO I GET IT. I KNOW I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT. I'M TRYING TO SEE BECAUSE I'VE HAD THIS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST YEAR THROWN BACK, OH PATTY NO, YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS WRITTEN. AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN I, THE CITY KEPT GOING AFTER THAT AND I'M LIKE, OKAY. BUT WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY HERE EXPLAINING THAT, THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S WORKABLE AND, AND I I I GET IT NOW. TOOK ME A FEW MINUTES. , I, I I THINK WE HAVE TO TRUST THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY KNOWS WHAT LANGUAGE GIVES US THE MOST LETTER. SHE'S CONFIDENT IN HER, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANOTHER LAWYER OR WHOEVER'S WRITING THE PROCEDURE. SHE'S THE ONE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ASK FOR LIKE A STATEMENT OF INTENT, RIGHT? SO LIKE THE INTENT IS THAT'S WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE WHEN THIS THING GOT MESSED UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. LIKE A STATEMENT OF OPERATIONAL CONCEPTS. THE STATEMENT OF INTENT WITH THIS STUFF. THAT GOES A LONG WAYS TO HELPING PEOPLE PUT THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S INTENT WITH THIS. YEAH, I I DON'T THINK THE ORDINANCE SHOULD EVER, EVER BE THE STOP OF ANY OF THIS. I THINK THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO SAY SIMPLICITY AND BE STREAMLINED AS FAR AS WHAT THE ACTUAL LEGAL REGULATIONS WOULD BE. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE THE DAY-TO-DAY, INTER INNER WORKINGS OF HOW YOU DETERMINE HOW YOU, HOW YOU DETERMINE MICROCHIP SCANNING PROCEDURE. HOW YOU DETERMINE WHETHER A CAT IS FERAL OR WHETHER IT'S NOT FERAL. HOW YOU DETERMINE HOW TO CONTACT THE OWNER. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE INCREDIBLY MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S IN THIS DOCUMENT. AND I ALSO THINK THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME BUY-IN FROM OUR NEW, UM, ANIMAL SHELTER MANAGER BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE IMPLEMENTING THIS AND SHE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THIS BOARD TO DETERMINE LIKE STEP ONE WE GET IT IN, DETERMINE THE FRACTIOUSNESS OF THE ANIMAL IF IT CAN BE, WE CAN'T EVEN GET PAST THIS. LIKE WE NEED PAST THIS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT. BUT I GET IT. SURE. I THINK THIS GETS US WHERE WE NEED TO. WE JUST, AGAIN, AN ORDINANCE IS NOT A PLACE TO PUT KIND OF EVERY SINGLE PROCEDURAL STEP IN. WELL I WASN'T ASKING FOR THAT. I WAS JUST, JUST SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE ITEM TWO GIVES THEM PERMISSION TO TAKE AN EAR TIPPED CAT AND PUT IT BACK. IT DOES GIVE THEM PERMISSION, BUT IT DOESN'T MANDATE IT. IT SAYS WILL WOULD YOU LIKE IT CHANGED TO MAY SO WE CAN GET PAST IT? YES. I'M NOT TRYING TO, WE'RE HAPPY. I'M HAPPY TO CHANGE IT. ADD THE UNKNOWN, UNKNOWN EAR TIP CAPTAIN. NOT JUST THE WORD MAY HAPPY TO DO THAT. JUST MAY I DON'T NEED TO SAY UNOWNED 'CAUSE THAT GETS INTO A [00:50:01] BUNCH OF OTHER MESS. I RIGHT LYNETTE? YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN I WOULDN'T, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THAT BECAUSE, OKAY, SO WE WE'RE GONNA CHANGE WILL TO MAY. THAT'D BE GREAT. AND THEN WE CAN THEN PATTY SHUT GO, GO FORWARD HERE. AWESOME. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. IT'S OKAY TO SAY IT. WE NO, NO, NO. STOP. WE DIDN'T GET TO THREE YET. I THINK THIS IS THE END, THE END OF THE, THE SUGGESTED EDITS MAY RECLAIM. YEP. AND AGAIN, I, I WILL GO BACK AND I'LL ADD THOSE CHANGES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT TO . JUST ADD MAY TO THAT JUST MAY TO THAT REPLACE WILL WITH MAY. SO THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE FEED A CAT FOR MORE THAN THREE DAYS OR AN DOG OR SOMETHING, THEN IT'S THEIRS. SO YOU GUYS JUST LEFT IT AT THREE DAYS. I'M JUST ASKING, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THREE DAYS OR 10 DAYS. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT SECTION? YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THREE DAYS OR 10 AND WE SUGGESTED 10 BECAUSE WE JUST LIKE PICKED SOMETHING. WE ADMITTED THAT, BUT I, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AND I WANTED TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR A DECISION. THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT WHILE THREE DAYS, UH, KIND OF WORKED FOR STAFF AND WE HEARD THE CONCERN FOR 10 DAYS, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT MAYBE 10 DAYS BEING A LITTLE ON THE LENGTHY SIDE. YEAH. I DON'T, I WHEN I, I JUST WAS SHARING YOU GUYS DO WHAT YOU WANT. THAT WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE, LIKE PEOPLE BE, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND THE OWNERS. I WAS FEEDING THEM. I WAS LIKE, PUT IT ON THE NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, AND IT TAKES A WHILE. IT TAKES LIKE AT LEAST IT TAKES A WHILE, A WEEK MAYBE OR SOMETHING. THEY'RE TALKING WHATEVER. MM-HMM. . SO THREE DAYS WAS LIKE REALLY TIGHT AND MAYBE 10 DAYS WAS CRAZY. I JUST WAS SAYING THREE DAYS WAS REALLY TIGHT AND I, I DON'T THINK THE SHELTER ENFORCES THAT AND I'VE NOT YOU GUYS DOING THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE FEEDBACKS THAT I GOT ON THAT WAS THAT PART OF THAT IS ALSO USED TO DEFINE OWNERSHIP IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR ENFORCEMENT ACTION, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO CRUELTY. OKAY. AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT EXPANDING THAT AND THEN, OH, GOT YOU. SEE, SEE THAT'S THE, I DON'T KNOW, RELEASING CULPABILITY. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SHELTER LIGHT GO, OH, TOO BAD YOU'VE FED IT FOR THREE DAYS AND WE'RE WALKING AWAY FROM YOU GUYS HAVE NOT DONE THAT. THAT I KNOW OF. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS A LOST CAT. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LIKE FAR AS I KNOW EXCELLENT. WITH THAT STUFF. SO I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE YOU LIKE WOULD DO THAT. BUT I WAS JUST 14, LIKE WONDERING SINCE WE WERE MAKING MODIFICATIONS SHOULD BE RIGHT THERE. WHAT SECTION? DO YOU KNOW WHAT SUBSECTION IT IS? IT WAS LIKE CI THINK D, CD. YEAH. D THREE OR MORE DAYS. THE VERY LAST LINE. OH, WE GO, SO AND THREE IS FINE BECAUSE SHE JUST EXPLAINED. OKAY. YOU GUYS NEEDED TO KEEP IT. AND WE CAN ALSO REVIEW POLICY RELATED TO THAT, UM, AS WELL. BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GOOD. LIKE I SAID, CORRECT YOU NOW THE MINUTE YOU GUYS ARE GOING, OH, TOO BAD. YOU OWN THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S WEIRD, RIGHT? YOU WOULDN'T, I MEAN, CORRECT. BUT YOU COULD. BUT YOU DON'T. BUT YOU COULD. BUT THAT'S WHERE POLICY, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD OPEN UP THAT WAY THOUGH. POLICIES NEED TO HAVE A GREAT AMOUNT OF DETAIL TO DEAL WITH THESE SITUATIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY NEED TO HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL, WAY MORE. AND SO OUR SHELTER NEEDS TO COME, OUR SHELTER MANAGER IDEALLY NEEDS TO COME FORWARD WITH THE POLICY AND LAY OUT, HEY, ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE, THIS IS THE PROCEDURE WHEN WE GET A CAT IN TO WHEN WE POTENTIALLY RELEASE IT, THESE ARE THE STEPS WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND THEN GET INPUT FROM THE BOARD IN THE COMMUNITY. WELL, I MEAN, WE JUST WANNA LIKE MAKE SURE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS ASKING FOR. YOU KNOW, ALL THESE NICE CATS, JUST CATS INDOOR AND OUT THE DOOR. AND IT WAS JUST LIKE, STOP, JUST HOLD ON. YOU KNOW? SO WE'VE BEEN DOING GOOD. I, I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE INTENTION OF THE SHELTER AT THIS POINT IS TO GO BACK, LOOK AT THE CURRENT POLICY, REVIEW THOSE WITH THE NEW MANAGER, DISCUSS ANY NEEDS FOR EDITS AND DISCUSS THOSE WITH YOU GUYS. WE DO WANT TO BE COLLABORATIVE. I MEAN, THAT IS OUR GOAL. 'CAUSE LAST TIME I THINK THANK YOU. THAT'S HUGE. THANK YOU. BUT I THINK LAST TIME WHAT WAS THOUGHT TO BE COLLABORATIVE, I AND SEVERAL OF US DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORDS WE READ COULD BE IMPLEMENTED AND WERE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED. AND THAT WAS RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY YOU READ IT, YOU SHOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT. YOU CAN SAY THAT ALL DAY LONG. BUT THE COMPREHENSION OF WHAT THAT MEANT FOR OPERATIONS IDEA, WELL THAT'S REALLY MORE ON SOMETHING. NO IDEA. THAT'S REALLY MORE ON SOMETHING FOR STAFF BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KIND OF INFORM YOU. THAT'S OUR JOB TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF, OF PASSING THIS LANGUAGE AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN IN A PRACTICAL SENSE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO, FOR ANY FAILINGS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE CLEAR AS FAR AS, HEY, THIS LANGUAGE MEANS THIS AND THIS IS THE CONSEQUENCE. THAT WAY THERE'S, WE CAN MINIMIZE MISUNDERSTANDINGS MOVING FORWARD. BECAUSE THIS IS THE SAME LANGUAGE BASICALLY, RIGHT? THAT WE HAD FOR THE PREVIOUS SITUATION THAT HAPPENED THAT THE CITY HEARD FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT. SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME LANGUAGE. [00:55:02] SO THE ALLOWED PLAN IS THAT YOU'RE TAKING THIS TO THE NEW SHELTER MANAGER TO MAKE SURE BEFORE, BEFORE IT GOES ANY PLACE ELSE, RIGHT? UM, I COULD, UM, I MIGHT JUST, UM, IT DEPENDS ON, HONESTLY, TIMELINE DEPENDS. I CAN WAIT. I THINK THE NEW MANAGER WAS IT MAY 2ND, MAY 20TH. MAY 20TH PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT. IF THERE IS AN URGENCY ON THE PART OF THE COMMITTEE, I COULD TALK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND SEE IF HE'S OKAY WITH THESE CHANGES AND WE COULD MOVE FORWARD. BUT CERTAINLY WE WANT TO GIVE OUR NEW SHELTER MANAGER AS MUCH INFORMATION AND CHANCE FOR COLLABORATION AS POSSIBLE. AND SO WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT. BUT AS ORDINANCES NOW WE CAN ACTUALLY PROCEED WITH THE TRAP NEUTER RELEASE PROGRAM. NOW, AS IS KNOWING THAT THESE REFINEMENTS ARE GONNA BE COMING, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THESE PARTICULAR CHANGES THAT WOULD STOP US FROM KIND OF RESUMING THE PROGRAM. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, A CAT GETS PICKED UP, IT COMES FROM AN AREA, IT LOOKS AMAZING, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THRIVING IN THAT AREA, BUT IT'S FRIENDLY. MM-HMM. OBVIOUSLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, EASY TO ADOPT OUT. WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT CAT? DOES IT GO BACK THERE OR DOES IT GO UP FOR ADOPTION? ARE YOU ASKING WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT POLICY? I'M ASKING IF THIS GOES THROUGH AND WITH THE CURRENT POLICIES, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT CAT? YEAH, SHE WANTS TO KNOW A SERIES OF HYPOTHETICALS. MM-HMM. WHAT? OH, SHE, YEAH. SHE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE CAT COMES IN. YEAH. SO IF LOOKING AT THE CURRENT POLICY, YES IT WOULD GO BACK. BUT THAT IS ALSO WHERE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WANT THE POLICIES OF, YOU GUYS WANT, YOU GUYS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE POLICY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE POLICY REVIEWS TO THE NEW MANAGER AS WELL AND STAFF WILL DETERMINE WHAT STEPS ARE GONNA BE TAKEN TO MOVE FORWARD. AM I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? YES. OKAY. SO I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEADACHE BECAUSE THESE ARE THE SAME WORDS THAT LET, WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED, JUST THE DIFFERENT CITY, UH, MANAGER DECIDED THAT, IN FACT THE CITY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. IF THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY HELD THE CAT, THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M LIKE THE CITY'S, I WOULD, I WOULD BECAUSE I, I'M UNFAMILIAR OF WHO YOU TALKED TO AND SO FORTH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN READ WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS AND I CAN EXPLAIN BASED ON MY LEGAL TRAINING, KIND OF IF THIS WERE TO BE A VIOLATION OR SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE THAT I CAN EXPLAIN KIND OF HOW IT, HOW IT IS INTERPRETED THAT WAY AS FAR AS, THERE'S SOME THINGS, AGAIN, AN ORDINANCE IS NOT EVERYTHING. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE WITH A POLICY TOGETHER. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE CURRENT POLICY THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE REFINED OR FURTHER EXTRAPOLATED AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, HEY, WHAT IS IT FRIENDLY, WHAT IS THAT POLICY? WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WE DON'T NEED COUNCIL ACTION FOR THAT. WE CAN SIMPLY KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, HAVE THE NEW SHELTER MANAGER KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EMERGENCY AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES. AND THEN HAVE HER COME IN AND KIND OF AUDIT US AND SAY IF SHE WANTS TO MAKE ANY FURTHER REFINEMENTS. SO THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF. I'M JUST SAYING LIKE THAT THE WORDS THAT ARE STILL HERE, THE PREVIOUS CITY EMPLOYEE SAID, ALLOW, MAY I ASK 'EM TO DO THIS? SO NOW THE WORDS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME. AND SO I'M LIKE, YOU GOT WHY? I AM LIKE, WELL, IT'S THE SAME WORDS. SO HOW ARE WE DIFFERENT? MAY I ASK? 'CAUSE POLICY, RIGHT? CAN YOU SAY POLICY? CAN YOU GIMME, UM, A HYPOTHETICAL OF A SITUATION THAT YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE HAPPY WITH? YEAH, I WROTE THAT ALL ON THE, IN THE INTENT. SURE. CAN CAN YOU, DO YOU MIND KIND OF SAYING LIKE, UH, IS IT LIKE A, A SEMI FRIENDLY CAT COMING IN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? YEAH. JUST TAKING FRIENDLY CATS THAT ARE ADOPTABLE AND PUTTING 'EM BACK OUTSIDE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW YEAH, THAT'S MY CAT WITHOUT SOMEBODY OWNING THE CAT. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT WAS GOING ON AND POLICY WASN'T EVEN FULLY DEVELOPED TO DO THAT. RIGHT. AND SO YOU SEE WHY I'M LIKE, WELL, WOW, THE WORDS HAVEN'T CHANGED BUT WE'RE GONNA BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY. THAT'S GREAT, BUT BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY FOR WHAT? TILL THIS MANAGER LEAVES OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT THE WORDS TO DEPEND ON THE MANAGER OF THE DAY WHEN THE WORDS ALLOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HAPPEN. . SO WHAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY, LIKE, SO THERE'S CERTAIN ACTIONS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR THINGS TO CHANGE. WHENEVER YOU WANT AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL. AND OUR CHARTER REQUIRES TWO READINGS. WHENEVER IT'S A POLICY DOCUMENT, WE ARE EMPOWERED TO, IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, KIND OF HAVE POLICY CHANGES IF THAT'S A CONCERN. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING STOPPING THIS PROGRAM FROM RESUMING. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF REVIEW OR SOMETHING OR MAYBE LIKE AN INTERIM REVIEW PROCESS UNTIL WE CAN GET FURTHER REFINEMENTS, WE CAN CHANGE THAT POLICY NOW WITHOUT COUNCIL ACTION, WE CAN KIND OF MAKE SURE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE CITY MANAGER'S POLICY BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE WHO'S THE ULTIMATE CHAIN OF COMMAND. BUT WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. SO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO WITHHOLD PRESENTING THIS TO COUNCIL UNTIL WE HAVE THE POLICY TO BACK UP EVERYTHING? SO MY DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER IS HE WAS ASKING IF POSSIBLE THAT [01:00:01] WE WAIT THAT WAY WHEN WE TAKE THE ORDINANCE BACK, THE ORDINANCE IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED TO COUNCIL. BUT THE POLICY WOULD BE LIKE AN ATTACHMENT TO THE AGENDA ITEM, RIGHT? SO THAT WHEN IT GOES, COUNCIL SEES IT, ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN ITS WOULD SEE IT, UM, THEY GET UPSET AND WHATEVER THEY CAN CALL CITY MEDICAL. AND WE'D HAVE THE POLICY AT THAT POINT TO EXPLAIN HOW THAT THE MECHANICS OF THE PROGRAM, RIGHT? SO THE ISSUES THAT YOU RAISED ABOUT HEY, HOW DO WE MICROCHIP, HOW DO WE DETERMINE IF IT'S A FRIENDLY CAT OR NOT? ALL OF THAT WILL BE RAISED OR ADDRESSED. EXCUSE ME. SO WHEN THE THIS GOES TO COUNCIL, IT WILL HAVE THE NEW POLICY WITH IT. THAT'S THE INTENT IS THAT'S THE INTENT. YES. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S, THAT'S HUGE. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT MAKES SENSE. IT DOES. OH NO, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S WONDERFUL. THAT'S GONNA BE SOME TIME AWAY. BUT THAT'S WONDERFUL. AND WHAT DID YOU SAY COULD RESUME NOW THOUGH? IF YOU WANT TO RESUME THE TRAP NOODLE RELEASE PROGRAM, WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK WE DON'T HAVE, WELL I, WE DO HAVE A POLICY WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ADDRESSING. WHAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE YOU HAVE WITH THE, THE TRIBE RELEASE PROGRAM? IS IT, IS IT THE IT'S NOT THE ISSUE I HAVE, IT'S THE ISSUE C AND WHAT I MEANT YOU, I MEANT THE BOARD. I'M NOT, I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT YOU WHEN I SAY YOU, BUT I MEANT THE BOARD. UM, IS IT RELEASING COMMUNITY? IS IT THE ISSUE OF IT WAS THE COMMUNITY THAT CAME TO CITY COUNCIL, IS IT RELEASING, UM, CATS WITHOUT HAVING SOME SORT OF SCREENING PROCESS TO DETERMINE IF IT'S IN FACT A FERAL CAT, AN OWNED CAT, OR A FRIENDLY CAT? IS THAT THE CONCERN? YEAH, WE WANTED, WE WANTED THE NICE CATS TO GO TO THE ADOPTION ROOM. YEAH. OKAY. IF A CAT HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED AS SOMEBODY'S PET, NOT JUST FREE ROAMING AND YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD CAT, BUT IF IT HASN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED AS SOMEBODY'S PET, WE WANT IT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION. A FRIENDLY CAT. WE DON'T SEE WHY A NICE CAT WHO IS PICKED UP OR CALLED ABOUT CAN'T GO THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS INSTEAD OF BEING PUT BACK TO WHERE IT'S IN AN AREA THAT OWNERSHIP HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS. STAFF CAN TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO INCLUDE THE SHELTER MANAGER IN ON THIS. WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THIS WAY SINCE FOR THE PAST WHAT? SINCE FEBRUARY OF PUTTING THE NICE CATS FOR ADOPTION AS BEST AS WE CAN TELL. 'CAUSE IT'S NEVER PERFECT. AND I THINK IT'LL, IT'LL PROBABLY BE LIKE A, A SCREEN PROCESS BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME CATS THAT ARE FRIENDLY, THAT ARE OUTDOOR CATS THAT ARE JUST HAPPEN TO BE FRIENDLY, BUT THEY'RE NOT ADOPTABLE. THEY, THEY LOVE TO BE OUTSIDE AND THEY THRIVE OUTSIDE. SO I'M SURE THERE'S SOME, SOME SITUATIONS LIKE THAT AS WELL. YEAH, WELL THEN SOMEBODY CAN COME SAY THEY OWN IT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING IT WITHOUT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP. IF IT'S SOMEBODY'S CAPPED, IF IT'S NOT SOMEBODY'S CAT, IF IT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN TO BE SOMEBODY'S CAT, NONE OF THESE ARE INSURMOUNTABLE ISSUES. I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THESE. THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE. THAT'S SO WHAT'S GONNA, THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION. THAT WAS, THAT ISSUE WAS WITH DOING THAT INITIAL SCREENING OF DOES THE CAT GO RETURN OR DOES IT GO TO THE ADOPTION ROUTE? RIGHT. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, WE ADDRESSED THAT WITH WHEN DRE BROUGHT IT UP IN FEBRUARY AT THE MEETING HERE. I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING FROM TONIGHT ON. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD CONSUMING, WE COULD RESUME UNDER EXISTING PROGRAM JUST CHANGE THE POLICY AND HOW WE IMPLEMENT IT. YES. AND THAT WOULDN'T TAKE ANYTHING MAGICAL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? NO, BECAUSE THE POLICY HASN'T GONE TO COUNCIL NOW. I THINK WHATEVER CHANGES, LIKE WE CAN MAKE SOME TEMPORARY CHANGES TO THE POLICY TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE OF SCREENING THE CATS AND DETERMINING KIND OF WHAT ROUTE THEY GO TO. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY WHEN THE ORDINANCE GOES TO COUNCIL, WE'LL WANNA HAVE SOME SORT OF FINALIZATION. SO IF WE DO MAKE SOME KIND OF TEMPORARY CHANGES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, AND THEN HAVE THE MANAGER KIND OF WORK WITH HER AND HER STAFF AND KIND OF RESEARCH ISSUES AND BEST PRACTICES. 'CAUSE I'M NOT A ANIMAL MANAGER, UH, EXPERT, SO I WOULD CERTAINLY RELY ON HER EXPERTISE. AND SO SHE COMES BACK AND SAYS, I LIKE YOUR TEMPORARY CHANGES. I WANNA MAKE THEM PERMANENT, OR I LIKE YOUR CHANGES, BUT HEY, CAN WE TWEAK THIS? THEN I WOULD IMAGINE IT MIGHT BE LIKE A KIND OF LIKE A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT KIND OF UPDATES AS SITUATIONS ARISE. OKAY. SO WHAT CHANGES AFTER TONIGHT WITH HOW THE SHELTER OPERATES AT THIS POINT? I THINK STAFF WILL NEED TO GO BACK AND DO SOME INTERNAL STUFF AND THEN AT THAT POINT, UM, WE CAN HAVE SOME OPTIONS. IF STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE BOARD, THEY CAN KIND OF SEND EMAILS OUT, LET YOU GUYS KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND ADDRESS IT. UM, I CAN'T SPEAK THOUGH. LYNETTE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE OR YOU WOULD WANNA MAYBE CONFER A LITTLE BIT LONGER WITH THE, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT OR ANYONE AT THE SHELTER ON THE SPOT. WE, WE HAVE AN EXISTING DOCUMENT THAT SHE CAN REVIEW. UM, WE ALSO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS OF BEST PRACTICES NATIONALLY AND WE HAVE THE BOARD'S INPUT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR HER TO REVIEW, TO BEGIN TO DISCUSS THE POLICY. OKAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? [01:05:01] IT IS. AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT, SO SHE STARTS ON MAY THE 20TH? YEAH. ARE YOU ASKING IF SHE CAN HAVE IT BY THE NEXT MEETING? YES. OOH, THAT'S A LOT TO ASK OF A NEW INCOMING MANAGER. DO WE, ARE WE ASSUMING IT'S, WE HAVEN'T THE NEXT MEETING, BUT ARE WE ASSUMING IT'LL BE THE SECOND WEDNESDAY? YEAH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SUPPOSED THAT BE ABOUT THREE WEEKS, GIVE OR TAKE. UM, YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE THREE AND A HALF WEEKS. WOW. THAT'S LOOKING AT JUNE 12TH. SO THAT'S ONE WEEK, TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS. THREE WEEKS. BUT IT'S JUST ONE PART OF THE POLICY. IT'S NOT EVERYTHING. SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO REWRITE WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANNA, I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE HEARING, WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM, AT LEAST WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU'RE GENERALLY OKAY WITH THE POLICY. YOU THINK THAT THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME REFINEMENTS, BUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE POLICY AT THIS POINT IS THE ISSUE ABOUT THE INITIAL SCREENING OF THE CATS AND THAT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY CAUSES YOU CONCERN ABOUT RESTARTING THE PROGRAM. IS THAT ACCURATE? I THINK YES. PRETTY MUCH ACCURATE, YEAH. YES. OKAY. SO MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE HER ADDRESS THAT ONE ISSUE, WE PRESENT IT BACK TO THE BOARD, NOT THE FULL POLICY. SHE'LL HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THAT. MAYBE WE PRESENT IT BACK TO THE BOARD ON THAT ONE ISSUE. ASSUMING THE BOARD IS OKAY, THEN WE RESUME AT THAT POINT. I THINK WE, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY REASONABLE FOR HER WITHIN THREE AND A HALF WEEKS TO COME UP WITH THAT PART OF IT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S AGAIN, IT, IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO REFINEMENTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. RIGHT. SO THEN AT THAT POINT, ASSUMING THAT WE GET, I THINK WE PROBABLY WOULD WANNA VOTE FROM THE BOARD THAT THEY APPROVE THE CHANGES ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. THEN IF WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD AT THAT POINT. I, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. I, SO THEN THE PLAN AT THIS POINT IS TO TAKE THE CURRENT POLICY, THE FEED, THE CITIZEN FEEDBACK, WE RECEIVED THE FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD, UH, AND THE BEST PRACTICE INFORMATION, ALLOW THE MANAGER THE TIME TO REVIEW THAT AND HAVE SOME SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANY SUGGESTED CHANGES ON WHAT THOSE MAY BE THE NEXT. RIGHT. SO WE'LL HOLD OFF UNTIL WE HAVE, SO THE NEW MANAGER HAS TIME TO, TO REVIEW THOSE, THAT PORTION OF THE PROCEDURE. SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA COME BACK, AT LEAST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY LONG POLICY DOCUMENT AND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES TO DEAL WITH. AND SO I WANNA MAKE THIS WORKABLE FOR YOU. SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA BE COMING BACK IS THE ISSUE ABOUT THE INITIAL SCREENING. RIGHT. THAT'S SHE'S GOING SPEAK BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, BUT AT LEAST THAT'S THE IMPEDIMENT TO RESTARTING THE PROGRAM. YEAH. AND, AND I WANTED TO JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE CATS NOT GOING BACK OUT IN MY UNDERSTANDING. HELP ME LYNETTE. THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK OUT WITHIN THE TWO WEEKS BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO TRAPPED THE FERALS DOESN'T WANT 'EM BACK. THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CRITERIA. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE CHANGED WHERE YOU'RE NOT ASKING IF THE PEOPLE WANT THE CAP BACK AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY, THE TEMPORARY FIX THAT WE DISCUSSED MOVING FORWARD. MM-HMM. WAS THAT FOR RIGHT NOW, UM, VOLUNTEERS AND STAFF WERE ADDRESSING WHAT ANIMALS WERE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE ADOPTION FLOOR. YEAH. AND THEN IF THOSE ANIMALS HAD ANY, AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO RETURN TO THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO BE RELEASED. IF THEY DO NOT HAVE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO RETURN TO, WE WOULD NOT RELEASE. THAT WAS WHAT WE AGREED UPON. AND WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE MEAN? I'M SORRY? WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE MEAN? SO IF THEY WERE, IF THEY'RE COMING IN BECAUSE THEY ARE A, THE PERSON THAT BROUGHT, BROUGHT THEM OR REPORTED THEM WAS RIGHT, THEY WERE RIGHT. THEY GONNA DO HARM TO THEM, RIGHT. THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. YES, THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN DANGER THAT THEY WERE A NUISANCE. RIGHT. THEY WERE WHATEVER CIRCUMSTANCES. SO PEOPLE JUST SAY THEY DON'T WANT THEM BACK, THEY DON'T GO BACK. IF THERE WAS A REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, THEN YES. OKAY. 'CAUSE 'CAUSE WENDY DID NOT GO BACK AND, AND I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REASON SHE DIDN'T GO BACK WAS BECAUSE THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT HER BACK. WELL I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'D ASKED THE PEOPLE WHO TRAPPED THEM WHO ARE PROBABLY NOT THE CARETAKERS AND WE DIDN'T LOOK FOR THE, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST HATE TO BE ACCUMULATING MORE CATS BACK THERE. MM-HMM. . JUST BECAUSE WE ASKED THE PERSON WHO TRAPPED THEM, LIKE I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE ASKING THE PEOPLE WHO TRAPPED THEM, WHY THEY WANT THEM BACK. IS THAT PART OF THE POLICY GONNA BE MAYBE LIKE WE'RE GONNA ASK THAT WASN'T PART OF THE POLICY [01:10:01] AT ALL. THAT WAS PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD HERE THAT WE WOULD BE ENSURING THAT THEY HAD A SAFE PLACE TO GO. AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ALSO, YOU GUYS ALSO DISCUSSED WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD SOMEONE TO CARE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN IN THE SHELTER FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD TIME. WE'RE TIME, BUT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE WHO TRAPPED. RIGHT. SO I GUESS WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TRY TO FIND OUT IF THERE WAS A CARETAKER FOR THAT CAT IN THAT VICINITY. SO WE'RE GONNA END UP, IF WE DON'T MODIFY THAT, PROBABLY KEEPING A LOT MORE CATS AND STRAY HOLD AND FILLING IT UP. I'M JUST TELLING THE BOARD THAT'S THE SITUATION. IF, IF, IF THEY'RE, IF THE UNDERSTANDING WAS IN THE FEBRUARY MEETING THAT WE ONLY ALLOWED THE CATS TO GO BACK IF THE PEOPLE WANTED THEM BACK, WELL THERE'S CATS GONNA STACK UP THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT BACK BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY TRAPPED 'EM TO GET RID OF 'EM. RIGHT. IN SOME CASES, IN SOME CASES IF WE CAN KIND OF LIMIT THOUGH THE AMOUNT OF CONSIDERATIONS GIVEN THE TIMEFRAME TO JUST THOSE TWO ISSUES, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP THE NEW MANAGER KIND OF FOCUS SO THAT WE CAN, I GUESS THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN RESUME THIS BECAUSE I REALLY LIKE TO TNR THOSE CATS WITHOUT GOING AND WHEN I SAY TNRI DON'T MEAN LIKE IN THE THREE DAYS. I MEAN, AFTER WE REVIEW THEIR BEHAVIOR AND STUFF, I'D STILL LIKE THEM TO GO BACK OUT THERE. OF COURSE IF NO ONE'S DOING HARM TO 'EM, I GET IT. BUT NOT JUST BECAUSE NO, I DON'T WANT A CAT HERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CARING FOR THAT CAT NINE TIMES OUTTA 10. SO, OKAY. OKAY. SO WE CAN MOVE MAKING SURE SHE, WE CAN MOVE MAKING SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING ABOUT THOSE TWO POINTS. OKAY. YEAH. AND, BUT WHERE ARE WE AT NOW WITH THE, I THINK WE'RE FINISHED AT THIS POINT. WE PRESENTED OUR REDLINE EDITS TO YOU. WE'RE GONNA BASICALLY HOLD THESE ORDINANCE EDITS UNTIL WE CAN GET THE SHELTER MANAGER UP TO DATE. AND THEN ONCE SHE, AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE CAN CERTAINLY REVIEW THESE. UM, I, I DUNNO IF WE NEED TO, 'CAUSE I I CERTAINLY GOT THE INPUT ABOUT THE CHANGES. I THINK THE SHELTER MANAGER IS GONNA COME BACK WITH ISSUES OR WITH CHANGES OR EXPLANATIONS ON HOW THE POLICY WORKED FOR TWO ISSUES. ISSUE NUMBER ONE IS HOW TO DO THE INITIAL SCREENING ON WHAT CRITERIA THEY'RE GONNA USE FOR FRIENDLY CATS VERSUS FERAL CATS. AND ISSUE NUMBER TWO IS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY RELEASE IT, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO INQUIRE WITH THE PERSON WHO TRAPPED IT, IF THEY WANT THEM BACK OR NOT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE INQUIRY. SO WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE TWO ISSUES. WE WILL ASK THE COMMITTEE TO VOTE THAT THEY APPROVE THAT WITH THE CH WITH THE POLICY WITH THOSE CHANGES IMPLEMENTED. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, AS A TEMPORARY, AS A TEMPORARY FIX WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IN, ONCE THE POLICY HAS A FULL REVIEW, BOTH THE ORDINANCE, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR ITS VOTE, BUT THEN THE POLICY WILL BE IN ATTACHMENT SO THAT EVERYONE WILL BE ON THE SAME PAGE POLICY. IT'LL BE A TOTAL PACKAGE AS OPPOSED TO YES. SO, UM, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE WE'RE GONNA HAVE APOL NO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER. YES. OKAY. SO I WILL, I DON'T WANT TO PUT AN END DATE ON WHEN THE ORDINANCE WILL COME BACK BECAUSE THE POOR SHELTER MANAGER WILL BE INUNDATED. SO I WANT HER TO HAVE HER, HAVE HER GET A CHANCE, BUT I THINK SHE'LL PROBABLY BE PROVIDING UPDATES. AND DO YOU ALREADY KIND OF HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE POLICY THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED? AT LEAST THE BONES OF ONE FOR THE YES. WE HAVE A CURRENT POLICY THAT'S SO SHE'S NOT GONNA BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, BUT SHE CAN CERTAINLY START FROM THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE. OH, ABSOLUTELY. SHE'S NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. SHE'S STARTING WITH WHAT THEY PUT IN PLACE, UH, IN JULY. BUT IS THE COMMITTEE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TIMELINE AS FAR AS COMING BACK WITH TEMPORARY CHANGES AND THEN APPROVING A RESUMING THE PROGRAM COMING? I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. COMING BACK WITH THE TEMPORARY CHANGES AND THEN RESUMING THE PROGRAM. YEAH. IF WE AGREE TO THE CHANGES, YEAH. YEAH. I I I AM GONNA GO ON RECORD AS SAYING I, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE SAME WORDS CAN BE IN THE ORDINANCE AND WE'RE GONNA PRAY FOR DIFFERENT POLICY AND YET THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO STILL HAPPEN. SO I'M JUST, I DON'T GET THAT. I'M NOT A LAWYER. I'M JUST FIND THAT INTERESTING. I THINK WE'RE RELYING UPON THE POLICY IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA RELY ON. WELL, I KNOW AND THAT CAN BE CHANGED WITHOUT ANYBODY'S APPROVAL. 'CAUSE I WANNA CHANGE IT AND IT'S REV A NOW, I MEAN, RIGHT. I MEAN IT'S POLICY. IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, IT DOESN'T COME TO THIS COMMITTEE. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST WHATEVER YOU WANNA CHANGE IT TO. RIGHT. SO I'M JUST SAYING THE LAW STILL ALLOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO HAPPEN AND WITH THE WIPE OF A PEN THAT NOBODY SEES OR HEARS ABOUT, I, I DON DON'T BELIEVE YOU BE RIGHT BACK WHERE YOU WERE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S ACCURATE. I I THINK THE, I HOPE IS IT REALLY, I DON'T WANNA BE ACCURATE. YEAH. TELL ME HOW I'M NOT YEAH, NO, I I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE INTERPRETATION. WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE, YOU SEE THAT IT'LL, IT GIVES, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY DOES. IT GIVES, UH, STAFF AUTHORITY TO BASICALLY RELEASE A CAP. AND WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING NOTICE TO PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING THIS ON OUR CITY'S WEBSITE AND IT'S REGULATIONS. WE'RE GIVING NOTICE TO PEOPLE THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS A PROGRAM WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THESE CATS FOR SO LONG. BUT IF, IF YOU DON'T COME AND CLAIM THEM, AND IF YOU DON'T, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEN YOU [01:15:01] ARE PUT ON NOTICE THAT WE ARE GOING TO RELEASE THESE CATS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD RELEASE THESE CATS UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. SO THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO JUST CATCH AND RELEASE. AND EVEN IF THEY'RE FRIENDLY CATS, IT'S JUST PUTTING THE PUBLIC, IT'S, IT'S SERVING A PURPOSE TO PUT THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS, UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE RULES ARE. IF, IF, IF WE CATCH A CAT, THIS IS OUR PROTOCOL AND THIS IS THE RULES THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT ON OUR STAFF, AND THIS IS WHAT MAY HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T COME AND CLAIM YOUR CAT, IF YOUR CAT GETS OUT AND LOST AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE RULE OF IT. AND, AND THAT'S THE INTENT. IT'S NOT MEANT TO, THERE'S NO INCANDESCENT THEFT, THERE'S NO SECRET SHADY POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S, I DIDN'T SEE THERE'S ANYTHING SHADY. OKAY. I JUST SAID JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. RULES, RULES. I WANTED TO, I CONCERN IT'S STILL HERE ARE STILL THE SAME RULES THAT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED? SO IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU READ. I I I THINK YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION ONCE WE KIND OF BRING SOME OF THESE POLICIES BACK AND YOU WORKS. OKAY. NO, NO, STOP. WE CAN'T KEEP SAYING THE WORD POLICY. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. YES. AND THE DEFINITIONS, WHICH I LEARNED ARE LAW. YES. YES. SO THE LAW HASN'T CHANGED AS PROPOSED. AND WHAT HAPPENED MONTHS AGO CAN STILL HAPPEN BECAUSE THE LAW BEING PROPOSED AGAIN HASN'T CHANGED. AND, AND YOUR CONCERN, WELL, YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED MONTHS AGO. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE RELEASING CATS THAT YOU FELT COULD HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. YEAH. IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR CONCERN? YEAH. EVERYTHING IN WENT BACK OUT UNLESS IT WAS OLD TOO TINY AND YOUNG OR NOT IN GOOD HEALTH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, OF COURSE, OF COURSE. SAME WORDS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST SAYING THE LAW HASN'T CHANGED AND AS FAR AS THE CITIZENS OF LEAGUE CITY GO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHEN THE PROCEDURE CHANGES AT THE SHELTER POLICY. YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S A CONCERN. I MEAN, I, ANYWAY, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, I GUESS AT CITY COUNCIL AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND GET THE COMMUNITY INFORMED THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA GO FORWARD. IF THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA GO FORWARD. IF THIS ORDINANCE ISN'T CHANGED BEYOND THAT, WELL, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE POLICY AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS. NO, IT'S THE LAW THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. RIGHT, I GOT YOU. YOU DON'T WANT THE POLICY TO COME BACK TO YOU. I, YEAH, I DO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LAW HASN'T CHANGED AND THE POLICY IS, IS NICE, BUT THE POLICY IS LIKE FLUID, RIGHT. THE POLICIES CAN BE FLUID. YEAH. SO THE POLICY THAT'S IN PLACE NOW IS STILL LEGAL WITH THIS? THESE WORDS. YES MA'AM. YEP. THAT PROVES THE POINT. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. SO TWO, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE 1836? OH, THAT MIGHT TAKE ME A FEW MINUTES. YEAH. GEEZ. I THINK, LET'S SEE THIS ONE. SO YOU'RE CHANGING THE WILL TO MAY. I CAN DO THAT. IS THERE, I MEAN, PATTY, THIS IS THE SECTION THAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING MM-HMM. IS ALLOWING THE FRIENDLY CATS TO BE RETURNED. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD PUT SOME WORD HERE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW WITHOUT A MAJOR REWRITE OF DEFINITIONS? I, I DON'T, I REALLY, WHAT I SAID BEFORE, AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T COME TO YOU WITH THESE IDEAS. WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR HOURS AND HOURS INTERNALLY WITH STAFF. AND WE WENT AROUND THIS. SO THIS IS NOT JUST ME COMING TO, THIS IS LIKE A COLLABORATION OF WORK. THOSE TYPE OF IMPLEMENTATION IDEAS IS REALLY MEANT FOR A POLICY. I MEAN, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE WORDS BEFORE AND THEN WE HAD THE PROBLEMS. SO, AND IT IS WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING. OKAY. BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA END UP, WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE CITY SAYING, DON'T WORRY, POLICY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO MISLEAD PEOPLE OR TELL PEOPLE THAT POLICY WILL, WILL BE THE SAVIOR. BUT ALL BECAUSE POLICY IS A PRIVATE THING AND IT'S FLUID THAT YOU [01:20:01] KNOW THAT, THAT THERE'S NO VISIBILITY INTO THE POLICY CHANGE. NO REQUIRED VISIBILITY INTO THE POLICY CHANGE. EXCEPT IT'S POSSIBLE TO CHANGE POLICY EVERY WEEK. YEAH. SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LAW AND THAT'S HOW I WILL BE COMMUNICATING IT WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE, TO THE CITY COUNCIL, DEPENDING IF IT STILL LOOKS LIKE THIS OR NOT. JUST TELLING YOU. I GET IT. YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT IT AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS WANT. I GET IT. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE, HAVE TO DO FOR NOW IS SEE THE MICROPHONE ONE? YEAH. JUST SPEAK INTO IT. I I I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO FOR NOW IS, AND THIS IS A, A LEAP TRUST THAT THE POLICY THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE, THE NEW DIRECTOR, WE'LL, UH, HOW DO I SAY THIS? WE'LL SATISFY THE INTENT. WE'LL SATISFY THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO, FOR NOW UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, PATTY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY MM-HMM. ISSUE WITH US REQUESTING IF THIS POLICY IS GOING TO BE REVISED, THAT IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL OR NOT THE COUNCIL. IT NEEDS TO COME BACK HERE. YEAH. YEAH. ANY TIME. IT'S, 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY, CERTAINLY OF A POLICY WITH THIS HIGH PROFILE. I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT ADVISE THE ANIMAL SHELTER TO CHANGE IT ON A LIMB RIGHT. IN WITHOUT FULL DISCLOSURE AND CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE APPOINTED TO DO. YOU'RE APPOINTED TO KIND OF PROVIDE COMMUNITY INPUT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS, WE UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT AN ISSUE THIS IS. SO, MM-HMM , THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE DECISIONS MADE IN THE DARK WHERE ONE MINUTE WE MADE A POLICY AND THEN WHEN EVERYONE LEAVES, SOMEONE'S LIKE TYPING ON A COMPUTER AND CHANGING IT AND NOT LETTING EVERYONE KNOW FULL DISCLOSURE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HOW, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF OPERATES AND SO FORTH. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THOSE ARE GOOD WORDS. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE SHE THE NEW SHELTER MANAGE. SHE'S GOT TWO SECTIONS TO LOOK AT. AND THEN, UM, WHENEVER WE GET TO ACTUALLY UPDATING THE POLICY, WE WANNA PUT A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT THE POLICY SHALL NOT BE CHANGED WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. I, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. I'M GLAD. WE'RE GOOD. I THINK EVERYONE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WITH A NEW, I DON'T KNOW, THE NEW SHELTER MANAGER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, NONE OF US DOES. THAT SHE KNOWS THAT WE'RE HERE TO COOPERATE AND NOT TO, YOU KNOW, ASSUME THAT SHE'S NOT GOING TO ENFORCE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE PUT A, A POSITIVE SPIN ON IT, BUT ALSO JUST OUR, HAVE OUR ACTIONS BE POSITIVE AS OPPOSED TO BEING LOOKED AT BY SOME IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, UH, AS BEING OBSTRUCTIONIST. 'CAUSE THAT'S FAR FROM WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT IT COULD BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE DO AS MUCH POSITIVE, UM, COMMENTING AND, AND SPEAKING ABOUT THIS AS OPPOSED TO LEANING ON WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE AND WHATEVER. I WAS JUST MEET UP BY THE CITY. I'M JUST STILL DISPLAYING THAT AND I GET, AND IT'S JUST, I GET IT. BUT WE HAVE TO HARD TO OVERCOME BY PEOPLE TELLING YOU, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE READING. YOU WERE TOTALLY ALLOWED TO DO THIS. AND I'M JUST LIKE, OH MY GOD. BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. IT'S A NEW DAY. IT'S ESPECIALLY NEW MANAGEMENT COMING IN. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO OUR BEST AS, AS LEADERS IN, IN THE COMMUNITY TO, TO CREATE. I DO WANNA BE POSITIVE, POSITIVE ATMOSPHERE. I'M JUST POINTING OUT REALITY TOO. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. I, I THINK THE KEY TO WHAT YOU SAID, SOMEBODY GOTTA GET OUT HERE IN A HURRY, , I THINK THE KEY TO WHAT, SIX, SEVEN, WHAT YOU SAID WAS POLICY REGARDING THIS ISSUE THAT IS SO HIGH PROFILE THAT WE ARE SPEAKING FOR THE COMMUNITY ON WILL NOT CHANGE WITHOUT IT BEING TRANSPARENT. ABSOLUTELY. THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE AGAIN. SO WE COULD, BECAUSE I GIVE YOU A STACK OF EMAILS OF PEOPLE THAT WHEN THIS CHANGED, UH, OR RATHER WHEN THE, THE TNR WAS IMPLEMENTED THAT WERE SO UPSET. SO I LI IWW YOUR WORDS GIVE ME GREAT COMFORT. YES. LIKE, LIKE I WOULD EXACTLY. LIKE THAT'S THAT'S THE BEST WORDS. YEAH. I LOVED, I LOVE IT. THAT'S LIKE SERIOUS. THAT'S REASSURING. THAT'S VERY A CITY WHO SPEAKS LIKE THAT. I LIKE, THAT'S ETHICAL AND CREDIBLE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND, AND REAL AND IN CONSIDERATION OF THE SENSITIVITY OF IT. SO I APPRECIATE IT. LIKE IT A LOT. YEAH. WE DO APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'RE TAKING TO UNDERSTAND IT NOT BEING A NATURAL BORN ANIMAL MANAGER OR [01:25:01] WHATEVER, THAT Y'ALL HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF EFFORT. IT'S OBVIOUS. DID A LOT OF WORK. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WENT ON AND ON. YOU'RE HEARING OUR CONCERNS, YOU'RE LISTENING TO 'EM, YOU'RE NOT DISMISSING THEM. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. HAVE YOU PRESENTED EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT TODAY? YES. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BOTH OF YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE HUNDREDS OF HOURS, YOU AND THE SHELTER AND NINE HOURS AND EVERYBODY ALL LIKE, PROBABLY DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE. I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. [6. Select next meeting date ] APRIL, WE'RE IN MAY. SO, UM, JUNE 12TH, SELECT THE NEXT MEETING DATE JUNE 12TH, SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH. WE'RE JUST GOING WITH SECOND WEDNESDAYS. LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK IT. 'CAUSE LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO ACT LIKE CITY COUNCIL. THEY'RE HELD THIS DAY AND THIS DAY, REGARDLESS OF WHO'S, WELL THEY OUTTA TOWN THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT I WILL BE HOME, I'LL BE HOME FOR THAT. SO. OKAY. AND, AND ANY IDEA. OKAY. I GUESS THE NEW MANAGER THEN NEEDS TO LIKE, HURRY UP AND APPLY OR WHATEVER BECAUSE THE NEW MANAGER'S JUST AUTOMATICALLY PART OF THIS COMMITTEE THEN STILL WORKING ON, SO THAT'LL BE LIKE, WE'LL GET HER AND JASMINE AND ALSO PROBABLY THE CHIEF AND MYSELF. OH, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. ALRIGHT. SO THAT WILL, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE IN PLACE BY THE NEXT MEETING. OH WOW. THAT'D BE GREAT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE ALL DONE. UH, UH, ADJOURN. WOO. THANKS EVERYONE. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.