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SIGN IN, DONE THIS.THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE, UM, APRIL ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING AND, UH, AGENDA NUMBER
[1. Approval of minutes for March 13, 2024, board meeting]
ONE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR MARCH 13TH.AND, AND WE'VE JUST LEARNED THAT THEY'RE NOT POSTED.
THEY'RE NOT POSTED TILL WE APPROVE THEM, AND THEN THEY CAN GET OFFICIALLY POSTED TO THE CITY WEBSITE.
SO IF YOU WERE HAVING ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, EVERYBODY APPROVE THAT, UH, THE MINUTES.
I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT THEY'RE APPROVED.
I SECOND, I SECOND THE MOTION.
DID YOU JUST SAY SECOND THE EMOTION? DID I, THAT'S A SONG, ISN'T IT? I KNOW.
I WAS JUST GONNA SECOND THAT EMOTION.
[2. Comments or questions on shelter stats]
LYNETTE BROUGHT US THE STATS, SO WE'RE ALL JUST GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM HERE.THAT WAS WHAT YOU NEEDED, CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M SO SORRY.
THE ONE ON THE SCREEN IS NOT THAT'S FINE.
SO THAT'S THE BREAK, THAT'S THE BREAKDOWN OF THE CANINES.
I WAS, I'M FROM A TOWN, MODERATE SIZED TOWN IN CONNECTICUT.
AND THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE, UH, ANIMAL, UH, SHELTER PRESENCE AND SO FORTH.
AND I, I SAW AN ARTICLE ONLINE.
THEY HAVE NO DOGS IN THEIR SHELTER.
WHERE IS THAT? IN CONNECTICUT.
HOW IS THAT? YEAH, THAT'S WILD.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS LIKE A NATIONWIDE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, LINDA? IS IT BETTER GETTING BETTER UP NORTH? I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT.
SO THAT MUST BE LIKE A LITTLE, AN ANOMALY.
OR THEY DON'T ALLOW STRAYS IN THEIR TOWN, YOU KNOW? WELL, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE LIKE IMPORTING ANIMALS ISN'T ALLOWED TO, SO THAT IT COULD BE AN AREA LIKE THAT TOO.
ANY COMMENTS ON THE STATS? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE STATS AND, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, OUR, OUR NUMBERS WERE FAIRLY CONSISTENT.
UM, THE VOLUNTEER NUMBERS WERE UP QUITE A BIT, WHICH WE WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.
UM, AND, UH, THE FOSTER, THE DOG FOSTER NUMBERS WERE UP, UM, WHICH WAS AWESOME.
UM, USUALLY WE DON'T SEE QUITE THAT MANY GOING INTO FOSTER, UM, FOR CANINES.
DOES THAT RELATE AT ALL TO ANY OF LIKE, ONLINE PLEAS AND LIKE THAT? DO YOU FEEL LIKE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE POSTED MORE THIS MONTH ABOUT, UH, WELL, WE DO HAVE A, YEAH.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALLOWING US TO TARGET THAT PROGRAM.
AND HOW ARE WE AT THE SHELTER IN TERMS OF SPACE, IN TERMS OF OVERCROWDING OR NOT? YEAH.
ARE WE EASING UP ON THAT? SO I DID SEND YOU GUYS THE CURRENT STATS AS WELL, OR I, I PRINTED IT FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, WE ARE, UH, OVER CAPACITY IN CANINES STILL.
UM, WE ARE SITTING AT ABOUT 16% OVER CAPACITY, AND WE ARE HAVING A CURRENT, UM, INCREASE IN ANIMALS OR CANINES THAT ARE SHOWING SIGNS OF, UH, RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS COMMON IN THIS TIME, THIS TIME OF YEAR FOR IT TO SPIKE.
UM, THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT SPIKE.
SO, UM, I AM IN REGULAR COMMUNICATION, UM, DAILY COMMUNICATION WITH OUR VET OF RECORD AND WITH OTH THE OTHER VETS THAT WE WORK WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS, JUST TO KIND OF MONITOR THAT SITUATION.
UM, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT ONE.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 22, UH, DOGS THAT ARE, UM, SHOWING SOME SIGNS AND THAT MAY EVEN BE VERY MINOR SIGNS.
UM, SO WE ARE DOING, UH, EARLY, DOING OUR BEST TO DO EARLY DETECTION.
WE'VE IMPLEMENTED DAILY OBSERVATION SHEETS IN ON EVERY DOG IN THE KENNEL THAT ARE FILLED OUT BY BOTH STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS THREE TIMES A DAY.
SO WE CAN MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY DETECT WHO MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, BECOMING SICK OR SPREADING ILLNESS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN WE'RE BEGINNING ISOLATION AND MEDICATION, UM, AT THE FIRST SIGNS URI MM-HMM.
THAT'S THE, THE GUESS AT THIS TIME.
UM, WE HAVE NO, UM, OVERLY CONCERNING SYMPTOMS. UM, EVERYBODY'S RESPONDING TO MEDICATION, NO SEVERE SYMPTOMS AT THIS TIME.
SO OUR VETS HAVE RECOMMENDED, UH,
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JUST MONITORING AND CONTINUING TO TREAT AND ISOLATE.AND THEN WITH OUR CATS, WE ARE DOWN TO JUST 11 IN THE BUILDING WITH FOUR WORKING CAT CANDIDATES.
THE SHELTER DID A GOOD JOB GETTING, I MEAN, WE HAD YEAH, 1110 OR SOMETHING, I GUESS LAST MONTH.
I WALKED IN THERE A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY ACTUALLY GOING? HOW FAR AWAY ARE THEY GOING? THE BING CATS? IT VARIES.
SOME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GOING FURTHER, SOMEBODY DROVE THREE HOURS, THREE HOURS TO, TO GET FOUR OF THEM.
AND THREE WERE LOCAL HERE ON LAWRENCE ROAD.
UH, AND ANOTHER, A COUPLE WENT HERE, UM, IN CITY, NOT, YOU KNOW, IN LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOODS HERE.
AND SO YEAH, I'VE BEEN REALLY GRATEFUL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE WANNA GET 'EM ACCLIMATED BEFORE THE HEAT JUST MAKES IT MM-HMM.
AND THEN OREO WAS RELEASED BACK, I'M ASSUMING, RIGHT? UH, THAT ONE I'M GONNA HAVE TO CHECK ON RETURNED.
WELL, WELL, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SENT HER AN EMAIL AND SAID, SORRY.
OREO WAS THERE AND THEN I SENT LYNETTE AN EMAIL, SAID, YEAH, THAT'S KAT'S.
AND SO OREO, OREO WENT BATH WAS, IS LISTED AS ADOPTED YEAH.
TO THE SAME LOCATION WHERE HE WAS FOUND PERFECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR FIRST ONE WHERE THEY, IT WAS COOL GOING BACK SO IN A WHILE, IN QUITE A WHILE.
SO I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN, IF LYNETTE, IF YOU, WHICH PROCESS SPECIFICALLY? NO, JUST RETURNING THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE, FOUND IT MEAN EVERYTHING.
UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD, YOU KNOW, MANY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO JUST TAKE BACK ON OUR OWN FOR THE MOST PART.
LIKE, THIS IS A RECLAIM SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, COMING IN AND RECLAIMING.
SO, I MEAN, WE REMEMBER WE WENT BACK AND SAID, UH, WE WERE GONNA LIKE GIVE HIM SEVEN DAYS COOLING OFF PERIOD.
AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT AT THE SHELTER.
AND, AND I'VE BEEN GOING IN AND I THINK OTHERS HAVE BEEN GOING IN.
AND I SENT LYNETTE AN EMAIL ON OREO LIKE, THIS CAT'S EITHER SEVERELY FAS OR JUST FERAL.
AND THEN THE NEXT DAY THE CAT WAS GONE, WHICH I'M LIKE, GREAT.
SO THERE WERE A COUPLE CATS BEFORE THAT THAT I SAID, YEAH, LET'S, THEY NEED TO GO BACK.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, NO, IT'S NOT SAFE WHERE THEY WERE.
SO THOSE CATS DID NOT GO BACK.
THE SHELTER WAS CAREFUL, UM, UM, WITH THAT.
AND, AND THEY GOT DIFFERENT BARN POSITIONS BECAUSE THAT, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS GOOD.
THIS IS, THIS IS, IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD.
THIS IS BOTH ASPECTS, WHETHER IT'S YOURS OR, OR, OR WHETHER IT'S THE PROFESSIONAL FOLKS AT THE SHELTER WORKING TOGETHER AND FOLLOWING A PROCEDURE OF SORTS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN THE BEST POSITION INSTEAD OF JUST BEING YES.
AND WE, KUDOS, WE'VE CONTINUED TO CON, YOU KNOW, CONFIRM THAT THE LOCATION IS AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE AND APPROPRIATE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, SO I WALK IN AND IF I ASSESS THE CATS AND THEN IF I REALLY WANNA DISCUSS THE CATS, THEN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH LYNETTE.
UM, OTHERWISE I GIVE HER MY INPUT WITH VIDEO, UM, JUST TO NOT TAKE A LOT OF HER TIME RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE SHE'S SUPER BUSY.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE I NEED TO, LIKE IT'S ON BORDERLINE, I'LL, I'LL, UM, SHE'S BEEN REALLY GENEROUS WITH HER TIME.
[3. Shelter update from Lynette Bodmer]
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE THE GENERAL SHELTER UPDATES? YEAH, THE GENERAL SHELTER, IF YOU'RE DONE, SHE CAN GIVE THE THAT'S FINE.UM, SO SOME OTHER THINGS HAPPENING, WE, UM, HAVE PREPARED THE INITIAL, UM, BUDGET PLANS FOR, UM, TO BE SENT TO THE NEXT STEP.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE WAITING FOR THE REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THAT IS, IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR PART IS DONE FOR RIGHT NOW,
UM, AND, UM, AS FAR AS STAFFING GOES, WE CURRENTLY JUST HAVE THE ONE VACANCY OF THE MANAGER POSITION.
SO ALL OF THE OFFICER POSITIONS AND ALL OF THE KENNEL TECH POSITIONS HAVE NOW BEEN FILLED GOOD.
AND EVERYBODY IS ACTIVELY IN THEIR ROLES.
UM, AND THEN THE INTERVIEW BEGIN THIS WEEK FOR THE MANAGER POSITION.
UM, HOW MANY ARE WE INTERVIEWING? UH, WE HAVE FOUR ON THE SCHEDULE FOR NOW.
SO SOME OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
WE HAVE OUR VOLUNTEER OPEN HOUSE COMING UP ON THE 20TH.
UM, AND WE WILL BE RESUMING SOME THE LATE NIGHT EVENTS IN MAY.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, BOTH OUR FOSTER AND VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR, UM, LOOKING FOR NEW OPPORTUNITIES TO GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR OTHER EVENTS, INCLUDING CITY EVENTS.
WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? CITY GETTING OUT, GETTING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR MORE LIKE JUST CITY EVENTS OR LOCAL EVENTS THAT WE'RE BEING INVITED TO.
UM, SO HOW ABOUT LIKE, LIKE SOME OF THE HOAS HAVE LIKE MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW,
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THEY'RE RESIDENT DAYS AND WE'VE ATTENDED, WE'VE ATTENDED ONE AT CHRISTMAS TIME.UM, AND THEN IT THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF CASE BY CASE.
WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ATTEND.
UM, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO RAMP UP SOME OF THOSE, UM, THOSE ACTIVITIES.
UH, SO LIKE THE, THE MAY CITY THING, WHAT DO THEY DO? THIS FESTIVAL MAY, EARLY MAY FESTIVAL THE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU SAY AND NIGHT THING OR NO, ISN'T THE FESTIVAL, IS IT MUSIC PARK AT THE PARK? THE BIG FESTIVAL THAT LASTS A COUPLE DAYS AT THE PARK.
OH, THAT'S IN OCTOBER, ISN'T IT EARLY MAY THEY MOVED IT, THEY MOVED IT TO OCTOBER.
BUT THE ONE THAT THE LIONS CLUB PUTS ON.
THEY MOVED IT TO LATER IN THE YEAR.
I KNOW WE HAVE LIKE A, UM, AN EVENT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMING UP LATER THE 25TH.
UM, THAT I THINK IS A CRIME VICTIMS ADVOCATE EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT TO TRY TO GET OUT MORE.
SO LIKE LEO AND, AND JULIE THE FO.
SO WE, AND FOR VOLUNTEERS AND FOSTERS BOTH WHEN WE MM-HMM.
UM, AND ALSO TO INCREASE VISIBILITY OF THE DOGS IN FOSTER CARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO JULIE'S BEEN WORKING ON SOME OF THAT.
UM, WITH THE FULL STAFFING IN THE KENNEL AREAS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SHIFT TO THE, UM, FOUR DAYS A WEEK, 10 HOUR SCHEDULES THAT WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO IMPLEMENT FOR THE TECHS, WHICH GIVES THEM A BETTER WORK LIFE BALANCE AND ALSO, UM, ALLOWS THEM TO BE ONSITE MORE AND HAVE A MORE CONSISTENT, UH, ROLE WITH THE ANIMALS THEY'RE WORKING WITH.
SO WE CAN KEEP MORE CONSISTENCY IN EACH AREA, UH, BOTH FOR THE ANIMALS AND FOR THE STAFF.
IT ALSO IS ALLOWING US TO BEGIN REGULAR, UH, PLAYGROUPS FOR THE DOGS, WHICH ARE ON HOLD RIGHT NOW DUE TO THE ILLNESSES
BUT, UM, BUT ONCE THAT'S LIFTED.
UM, AND THEN ALSO TO HAVE SOMEONE REGULARLY ASSIGNED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DAY DAY TO THE FELINE AREA, WHERE BEFORE IT WAS JUST A ROTATION.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WHO'S THERE AND YOU CAN ASK OTHERWISE IT WAS LIKE YOU JUST, WHO'S COVERING.
AND NOW WE HAVE CONSISTENCY AND SO IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN, IT'S JUST NICE.
UM, ANOTHER FUN UPDATE IS THAT WE WERE PICKED TO BE A PART OF THE PAW PARTNERS APP, WHICH IS A, UM, APP THAT WAS STARTED AT A SHELTER UP NORTH AND HAS BEEN SPREADING SLOWLY TO OTHER SHELTERS THAT BASICALLY ALLOWS, UM, THE DOG WALKING BOARD TO BE DIGITAL SO THAT THEY CAN ADD THEIR NOTES AND LAST TIMES OUT AND EVERYTHING AUTOMATICALLY THEY UPLOAD PHOTOS.
UM, AND THEN WE MAY ALSO, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S WORKING IN ONE AREA, WE MAY BE ABLE TO EXPAND IT WHERE THE CAT VOLUNTEERS CAN ADD THEIR NOTES AND PHOTOS AS WELL.
BUT, UM, LEO'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON GETTING THAT LAUNCHED AS WELL.
COMING FROM DOING THE DOG VOLUNTEERS STUFF.
I MEAN, WE USED TO TRY, LIKE WE, AT ONE POINT WE HAD TRIED TO DO EXCEL WORKSHEET, YOU KNOW, SHARED GOOGLE.
OH, THAT'S BEEN, IT'S JUST MM-HMM.
THEY DOWNLOAD IT AND PUT IT IN AND YOU GUYS SEE ALL THAT AND IT'S ALL YEAH.
BECAUSE I KNOW THE DOG PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PUTTING, OR IS IT YOU OR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUTTING OUT ALL THE DOG STUFF.
A LOT OF IT ON THE FACEBOOK POSTS AND THE PLAY GROUPS AND STUFF, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED REALLY WELL.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON, ON GETTING THAT LAUNCHED.
UM, WE ARE DOING AWAY, UNFORTUNATELY WITH OUR, UM, TRELLO PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR, UM, FOSTER AND VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE OF A MASSIVE SWITCH IN TRELLO'S, UM, OPERATIONS WHERE THEY WOULD NOW CHARGE BETWEEN 60 OR BETWEEN 80 AND 120 PER USER AND EVERY VIEWER WOULD BE COUNTED AS A USER.
SO WE AREN'T GOING TO BE USING THAT ANYMORE.
SO WE ARE, UM, LEO'S BEEN ACTUALLY WORKING ON BUILDING THAT AS WELL.
UH, SO THAT WE HAVE A SPACE TO DO, TO PUT THE FOSTER INFORMATION BACK UP.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE TRYING TO BUILD A, UM, AN API FOR THE ANIMALS NEEDING FOSTER CARE SIMILAR TO LIKE THE WORKING CAT FOCUS LIST, STRAY HOLD SITES THAT, THAT SHOW IT ON OUR, DIRECTLY ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT THIS NEW FOSTER STUFF? THE FOSTER, UM, THE LIST OF FOSTER ANIMALS.
IT WILL BE ON OUR WEBSITE SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT YOU CAN SEE THE FOCUS LIST.
OH, WHERE IT'S AT SHELTER LOVE API OH, OKAY.
SO ON YOUR WEBSITE ON WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A, A PLACE WHERE WE CAN PUT THE INFORMATION.
SO THERE, THERE WILL BE A PLATFORM FOR THAT AS WELL.
WE'RE TRYING TO, SO WE'LL PLACE ON OUR CITY SHELTER WEBSITE, SO I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PLACE TO BE DETERMINED TO.
WE ARE STILL FINALIZING WHERE IT WILL BE SOMEPLACE.
UM, THE SHELTER WEBSITE COMING SOON.
AND, AND THEN YOU GUYS WILL BE LIKE EMAILING PEOPLE BEGGING FOR FOSTERS.
I JUST SENT AN AUTOMATIC EMAIL OUT.
EVERYBODY SHOULD BE GOING TOMORROW MORNING.
I'M CHANGES THAT BASICALLY I'LL BE EMAILING, I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THE EMAIL.
SO IF YOU'RE A BOTTLES OF, YOU KNOW, BOTTLE BABY.
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YEP.BOTTLE BABIES, PEOPLE THAT, THAT NEED IT.
AND WE ARE SEEING, UH, BOTTLE BABY SEASON KICKOFF FULL STEAM.
WE DID PLACE 16 LAST WEEK, SO WE ARE COMING INTO BOTTLE BABY SEASON.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ZOOMIE.
ZOOMIE ZOOMIE WAS OUR LONGEST DAY DOG AT THE SHELTER.
HE WAS PLACED IN FOSTER CARE ON HIS 699TH DAY IN THE BUILDING.
UM, HE WENT INTO FOSTER CARE JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
UH, THEY HAD BEEN WATCHING HIM ON OUR, UM, FACEBOOK PAGE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UH, THE POST THAT WE'D MADE ABOUT HIM.
UH, SO THEY TOOK HIM INTO FOSTER CARE AND I BELIEVE TWO WEEKS AGO, ROUGHLY, UM, THEY COMPLETED HIS ADOPTION VIRTUALLY.
I GAVE HIM A CALL TO CHECK IN AND THEY SAID, WE'LL, GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT OFFICIAL.
AND, UH, SO THEY COMPLETED THAT ADOPTION AND THERE'S A REALLY LOVELY VIDEO ABOUT HIS ADOPTION ON OUR FACEBOOK AND ON OUR FACEBOOK AND THE CITY.
FACEBOOK AND THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE WILL BE FEATURING A STORY SOON AS WELL.
AND KUDOS TO WHOEVER DID THE VIDEO WORKUP ON THAT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS LEANNE COMMUNICATION OUTREACH TO SHOW THAT, HEY, THERE'S A REASON THAT WE'RE HEAPING 'EM, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
WE ALL SHED A FEW TEARS AT THAT VIDEO.
THAT'S JUST, THAT WAS A DOG I HAD SERIOUS DOUBTS ABOUT.
AND NOW I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT WAS JUST SO HARD.
I MEAN, I FOLLOWED HIM WHITE WHEN THEY GOT HIM.
I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE WHOLE THING AND IT'S JUST, AND LIKE, YEAH, LIKE WHEN, WHEN, AND THEN THE MAKE ME TEAR UP AGAIN.
THEY WERE PREVIOUS DOG OWNERS.
NOT, DON'T, NOT, DON'T, WE DON'T QUALIFY PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
I LIKE TO KNOW, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE MATCHING BUT IN AN AMAZING, I MEAN, IT'S NOT TO BE SAPPY, BUT JUST THE POWER OF LOVE AND PATIENCE.
YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE UPDATES? WHEN'S THE TRELLO BOARD CHANGE DONE WITH LIKE WITHIN A MONTH? IT, IT CAME DOWN OFFICIALLY TWO DAYS AGO.
SO WHAT'S YOUR GRACE PERIOD TO GET OUT OF IT? IT WE'RE OUT.
BUT THEY GAVE US A, THEY GAVE US A LITTLE HEADS UP, BUT IT WASN'T, NO, NOT REALLY.
UM, LEO'S BEEN REALLY HARD AT WORK, TRYING TO DO THAT ON AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, MANAGING THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.
IS THAT EVERYTHING? THANK YOU.
YOU GUYS GOT QUESTION? IT'S A LOT OF THINGS.
IT'S ALL GOOD NEWS FOR A CHANGE.
IT'S NICE TO JUST HEAR PROGRESSION AND PROGRAMS WORKING AND IT'S AWESOME.
WELL, I LIKE THE STUFF THAT'S COMING UP BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY'RE CANINES.
I MEAN, CANINES ARE STILL SERIOUS.
THEY DON'T WANNA GET OUT THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT.
SO ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE DOING AND GOING MAYBE TO EVENTS AND STUFF AND WHATEVER IS, IS GONNA BE HELPFUL.
SO I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE ALL THAT.
SO OBVIOUSLY JUST BEEN A LOT OF HARD WORK ON, ON EVERYBODY'S PART DOWN THERE.
THEY MARKET, THEY GOT VOLUNTEERS, THEY GOT, THEY'RE, IT'S, IT'S JUST, AND OUR STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS HAVE BEEN DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB, UH, REPORTING EARLY EVERY TIME THEY SEE A SYMPTOM IN A, IN A CANINE AND, AND HELPING US GET THAT ISOLATED AND, AND PREVENT THE SPREAD.
SO KUDOS TO THEM AND YOUR CONSISTENCY IS GONNA HELP THERE.
THAT'S WHERE IT'LL ALL, WHICH IS THANK GOD.
AND, AND YOUR VOLUNTEERS BEING PART OF THAT TOO, WHICH IS GREAT.
[4. Discussion on Community Cat program ordinance language including forward steps]
CONTINUE ON WITH THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE? GO THROUGH THAT.WE'RE READY FOR THE CHARTS ON THE ORDINANCE.
WHICH ONE DID YOU NEED FIRST, PATTY? WELL, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE FIRST AND THEN ON THE BACK OF THIS ATTACHMENT I HAVE THE DEFINITIONS.
SO ON THIS ONE, THIS SECTION WHERE IT SAYS COMMUNITY.
SO I, WHAT I DID JUST, I GOT RID OF THE WORD COMMUNITY BASICALLY, AND, AND THESE AND TRIED TO CATEGORIZE THEM AS, YOU KNOW, FERAL, OWNED, FRIENDLY, WHATEVER.
SO THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO, I SAID FERAL NOR OWNED CATS BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUTDOOR OWNED CATS.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY I MADE, I KNOW THAT'S WHY I MADE THAT CHANGE.
I THINK THAT ANSWERS THAT, BUT THAT'S RIGHT.
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UM, I ASSUME THE PANEL'S READ THIS STUFF ALREADY, SO.AND WHEN IT CERTAINLY INTERJECT AS YOU SEE ANYTHING PLEASE.
UM, SO ON THIS ONE, I TOOK AWAY THE WORD COMMUNITY AND PUT EAR TIPPED PHARAOH ABOUT THE IMPOUNDMENT.
'CAUSE THESE WERE THE PARAGRAPHS THAT JASMINE TOLD ME.
GO HUNT UP EVERYTHING THAT SAYS.
UM, SO THE HOLDING PERIOD OF ANY ANIMAL, I SAID OTHER THAN AN UNKNOWN CAT SEIZED AND IMPOUNDED OF THE SHELTER, THAT'S WHAT THEY STILL DO.
THEY DO THREE DAYS OF HOLDING.
AND THEN, UM, I TOOK OUT THE PARAGRAPH ABOUT, OR THE SENTENCES ABOUT AN UNKNOWN CAT BECAUSE THAT WAS ALL ADDED IN THE PREVIOUS REVISION.
I BELIEVE THAT CAME PRIOR TO THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS, DID IT COME PRIOR TO THAT? MM-HMM.
WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO THEN, IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, IF YOU FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
IT THAT'S, THE OPINION'S STILL VALID REGARDLESS OF WHEN IT WAS ADDED.
WELL WE, I THINK WE SAID IT'S KIND OF A DEFINITION.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WE SAID TO REMOVE IT FROM HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A DEFINITION.
WE DIDN'T WANT DEFINITIONS IN THE SURE.
YOU WANNA PUT IT UP IN THE DEFINITIONS? NO.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T REFERENCE IT ANYWHERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU TOOK IT OUT ALTOGETHER.
SO IT, WELL, WELL I NEVER EVEN SAW A DEFINITION FOR UN UNKNOWN CAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DEFINED YOU ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND SO I REMEMBER THERE WERE COMMENTS THAT SAYS, HEY, IF THERE'S A DEFINITION, TAKE IT OUT.
AND, UH, THE RELEASING OR ABANDONING ANIMALS, THAT'S NO CHANGE TO THAT.
WE SAID THAT WAS STILL 10 DAYS.
WE'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IT BE 10 RATHER THAN THREE DAYS.
IF ANYONE'S STILL, EVERYBODY STILL GOOD WITH THAT 10 DAY SUGGESTION, MAAM? I MEAN, I JUST PULLED THAT KIND OUT OF THIN AIR JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME BREATHING SPACE.
IT'S NOT LIKE A, A SCIENTIFIC NUMBER.
UM, I MEAN IF THAT'S Y'ALL'S AT, AT THIS TIME, I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO COLLECT Y'ALLS SUGGESTION.
BUT I MEAN, WE ALSO WANT TO BE SURE.
NO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE COULD GIVE IT TO THESE GUYS TO GET IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE YOU YEAH.
AND MY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT YOU GUYS WERE WANTING THAT TO GIVE MORE WE DO BREATHING ROOM ON LAST WEEK.
BUT WE DID ALSO DISCUSS RE POSSIBLY REPLACING, NOTIFYING THE DIRECTOR WITH NOTIFYING OR LIKE REPORTING IS FOUND OR REPORTING TO THE SHELTER.
PUT IT, I DON'T THINK IT GOT WRITTEN DOWN.
I THINK IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT GOT MENTIONED.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY? UM, WITHOUT NOTIFYING? OKAY.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY? TO ME? IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO SAY WITHOUT REPORTING AS FOUND SINCE WE ARE USING AN A NATIONAL REPORTING DATABASE.
NOW IF THEY REPORT IT THERE, IT WOULD REPORT TO US AS WELL.
I THINK NOTIFYING THE DIRECTOR IS A BIT SPECIFIC.
YOU WANT ME TO CROSS OFF NOTIFYING THE DIRECTOR? MM-HMM.
HOW ABOUT JUST, HOW ABOUT JUST SHELTER STAFF? AND IF I COULD JUST ALSO INTERJECT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE.
UM, I'M, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M ATTENDING YOUR MEETING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE,
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE RED LINES THAT YOU ARE SO KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THIS PROBABLY AT LEAST MY OFFICE, I HAVE JOSHUA GUTTER WHO'S OUR NEW ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
HE'S GOING, HE COMES TO US FROM GALVESTON.
UM, WE'RE ALL HAPPY TO HEAR, HAVE HIM HERE.
UM, OUR OFFICE PROBABLY DOES NEED TO KIND OF STUDY SOME OF THESE BECAUSE ANY SORT OF ORDINANCE CHANGE HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PROVISIONS OF OTHER ORDINANCES.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN LOOK TO TONIGHT AND AT LEAST IN A GOOD WAY WITH QUALITY, BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS JUDGE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I'M GONNA SIT HERE QUIETLY AND LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS, UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
BUT I WOULD ALSO CAUTION YOU NOT TO GET TOO MARRIED TO THE EXACT WORDING OF THIS AND THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FINALIZED.
BECAUSE LIKE, I'M, I'M LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS, BUT WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GO BACK HERE AND KIND OF DO OUR HOMEWORK AND YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES I'VE NOTICED, UM, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE, WE DON'T WANNA, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT AND THAT WE KIND OF GET YOUR INTENT AND SO FORTH.
SO I'M NOT GONNA HAVE MUCH COMMENTS TO OFFER, BUT UM, AFTER I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO KIND OF DIGEST THIS AND KIND OF WORK WITH JOSHUA ON THIS LANGUAGE, WE MAY HAVE COME BACK AND KIND OF SAY, HEY, THIS IS GREAT.
WE SUGGEST SOME TWEAKS OR WE SUGGEST SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR THESE REASONS.
THAT WOULD BE KEEP IT ALL SQUARED UP FOR THE SCENE.
WELL, SO YOU'RE SAYING GO THROUGH THIS, YOU'RE GONNA LISTEN, Y'ALL ARE GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO THE INTENT, IF YOU WILL, OR WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR DISCUSSION IS ABOUT AND NOT GET HOOKED LIKE ON THAT LAST DOWN WORD
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DIRECTOR.YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DON'T GET BURIED ON THAT.
IF THE COMMITTEE WILL, IF THE COMMITTEE WILL GET THE BIG BROAD STROKES IF THEY WANT, HEY, WE WANT 10 DAYS OR WE WANT THIS BIG CONCEPT, THEN LEGAL WILL PUT IT INTO A LANGUAGE, LEGAL WORDS THAT SAY WORDS.
AND IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S JUST THE WORDSMITHING.
IT'S NOT JUST THE WORDSMITHING, IT'S ALSO LIKE VERIFYING WITH OTHER SECTIONS AS WELL.
LIKE I SAID, I, I WANNA, I WANNA LISTEN.
I DON'T WANNA TALK 'CAUSE I WANNA HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND, AND THAT WAY I CAN ABSORB KIND OF THE INTENT, UM, FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT.
JUST WHEN I LOOK AT WHATEVER PROVISIONS YOU WANNA ALLOW FOR THE COMMUNITY CA I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT UH, THE CHIEF OVER HERE WITH HIS PEOPLE AREN'T HAMSTRINGED WITH ANY SORT OF INABILITY TO KIND OF DEAL WITH NUISANCE OR RANDOM ISSUES.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN DRAFT AN ORDINANCE WHERE IT ACTUALLY TIES THEIR HAND.
YEAH, WE DON'T, YEAH, EXACTLY.
AND YOU GUYS KNOW BEST, UM, I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT YOU WANT THE PROGRAM TO LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN I'M GONNA GO BACK DOUBLE CHECK WORK WITH JOSHUA AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT WRITING IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IF SOME RANDOM THING THAT HAPPENED, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, I CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE TIES MY HANDS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE LEVEL OF WHERE WE DO, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR TONIGHT.
I'M JUST KIND ABSORBING AND LISTENING AND, AND TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT, WHAT YOUR INTENT IS.
SO I THINK LYNETTE WAS SUGGESTING, AND I KNOW IT'S MINUTIA SIR, BUT UM, WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE DIRECTOR, YOU'D SAY LIKE, WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE SHELTER, MAYBE JUST, OR OR AT LEAST JUSTIFYING SOMEHOW REPORTING IT WAS FOUND.
OH, REPORTING THAT THEY FOUND SOMETHING.
AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS WE DON'T KEEP A, A LOG, LIKE SPECIFICALLY IN THE SHELTER WHO CALLED ABOUT WHAT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT WE DO HAVE A, A DATABASE THAT WE'RE USING ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT A DATABASE YOU'RE USING ON YOUR WEBSITE FOR WHAT? MM-HMM.
WHICH WE LOST LAUNCHED LAST MONTH.
PEOPLE CAN CLICK ON THAT AND ENTER THE STUFF.
AND THAT, BUT STILL DOES NOT COUNT AS REPORTING OR IT DOES.
WHAT ARE YOU TELLING ME? I'M SAYING THAT THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE UTILIZING.
SO REPORT NOTIFYING THE DIRECTOR.
I'M JUST, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT WOULD GO.
SO THE LOVE LOST, WHICH IS BRAND NEW, IS NOW BASICALLY THE REPORTING.
WELL THAT'S, AND SO FOR THE LEGAL PEOPLE, WHAT, WHAT THE, WE WERE THINKING OF CHANGING THE THREE TO 10 WAS JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO FIND ITS OWNER BEFORE THREE DAYS IS UP AND THREE DAYS SEEMED LIKE A REALLY SHORT TIME.
THE CITY COULD SAY TOO BAD IT'S YOURS NOW.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OKAY, GOTCHA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF LOGISTICAL CONCERNS FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
SO I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO TAKE THAT AND THEN KIND OF DOUBLE CHECK WITH STAFF.
LIKE, HEY, IS THERE NO, YOU HAVE TO, BUT I WAS JUST TELLING YOU WHY GOTCHA.
WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM ON THAT WE WERE AFRAID.
I'VE NOT SEEN THE SHELTER DO THAT.
BUT THEY TENURE, I DON'T KNOW IN THE, SO YEAH, THANK YOU.
THAT I JUST WANTED TO, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO HEAR WHY.
THAT'S THE WHY AND I KNOW YOU GOTTA GO DO YOUR THING.
SO THIS IS ABOUT CONGREGATIONS OBVIOUSLY OF THE ANIMALS.
AND IT SAYS, UM, FREE ROAMING DOGS AND CATS AND PUTTING FOOD OUT, DELIVERING THEM TO THE ANIMAL ADOPTION CENTER HUMANE ORGANIZATION TO A LICENSED VET AS PART OF A FERAL CAT TNR PROGRAM.
SO I TOOK OUT THE WORD COMMUNITY CAT 'CAUSE WE DEFINED FERAL CAT NOW TNR PROGRAM.
UM, IT'S AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE IF THE PERSON IS FEEDING THEIR OWN OUTDOOR CATS.
I WANTED TO COVER PEOPLE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR OWN OUTDOOR CAT.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THOSE ADDITIONS.
I TOOK THE WORD COMMUNITY OUT.
WE TOOK THE WORD COMMUNITY OUT.
UM, SECTION A FOLLOWING ACTIONS ARE PERMITTED AS PART OF A, THE RED LINE IS FERAL CAT TRAP NEUTER RETURN PROGRAM, UM, TRAPPING FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE.
AND THEN WE TOOK OUT THE WORD COMMUNITY PUT IN THE DEFINITION OF, OF FERAL CATS BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINED.
AND THEN THIS WAS A COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.
UH, EAR TIP, CAT RECEIVED OR TRAP BY LCAC OR AN A PO WILL BE RETURNED AFTER EVALUATION UNLESS NEEDS THE VET, THE LOCATION'S NOT APPROPRIATE LIKE THEY'VE JUST DONE BEFORE.
CAT'S IN, I SAY THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
IN WHICH CASE IF THE OWNER CANNOT BE FOUND WITHIN THE STRAY HOLDING PERIOD, IT SHALL BE UP FOR ADOPTION AND HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS HAVING AN OWNER.
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NUMBER TWO OF THAT FERAL CATS MAY BE RECLAIMED WITHOUT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP BY THEIR CAREGIVERS TO RETURN TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION.YOU GOOD WITH THAT, LYNETTE? YOU THINK WITHOUT I WITHOUT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP OF THAT? ESSENTIALLY JUST THAT IF SOMEBODY IS CARING FOR A FERAL CAT, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY NOT DOCUMENTING PICTURES OF IT.
SO I WAS LIKE, YOU DIDN'T PROBABLY ASK OREOS.
PEOPLE GIMME PROOF YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN WE DO WITH OKAY.
MAKING SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
WE, WE DON'T GENERALLY HAVE PEOPLE OVER
SO PERSON WHO RETURNS A FERAL CAT TO ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION WHILE CONDUCTING TN R IS NOT DEEMED TO HAVING ABANDONED THAT CAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S IN LINE WITH STATE REGS.
UM, AND THEN B SO IT WAS PROPOSED TO TAKE IT OUT, BUT WE THOUGHT ABOUT SOFTENING THE WORDS.
UH, AS LCAC SHALL MAINTAIN A RECORD OF ALL CITIZENS WHO CHOOSE TO REGISTER AS A CAREGIVER OF A FERAL CAT OR AS ONE OF THE CAREGIVERS OF A FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT COLONY OR WHATEVER.
SO IS IS THE GOAL THERE TO ESSENTIALLY MAINTAIN THE OPTION IF THEY WOULD LIKE US TO KNOW YEAH.
ABOUT THEIR CAT SO THAT IT CAN BE RETURNED? IS THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE GOAL.
THE GOAL, TO ME THE GOAL WOULD BE YOU, YOU GUYS REALLY KNOW WHO YOUR COLONY CAREGIVERS ARE? MM-HMM.
AND STILL, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO HAVE LIKE, HEY, WE FOUND ANOTHER CAT IN YOUR COLONY AREA.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO TO CONTACT IN THESE COLONY AREAS? MM-HMM.
I'M NOT SO MUCH AFTER EACH INDIVIDUAL CAT FEEDER.
BUT IF THEY CHOOSE TO REGISTER WITH YOU.
IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY TAKING AWAY THE MUST THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY TAKES AWAY THE MUST, ALLOWS IT TO BE A CHOICE, BUT STILL ALLOWS, ALLOWS IT TO BE PERSON'S CHOICE.
BUT IT STILL REQUIRES YOU GUYS TO YEAH.
I'LL RECORD THAT AND I'LL BE AWARE OF MM-HMM.
IT'D BE NICE TO GET THE COLONIES DOCUMENTED.
LIKE A GUY CAME IN AND SAID, YEAH, HE LIVES DOWN THE END OF ONE OF THE ROADS IN OLD LAKE CITY.
IS THERE A, A CEMETERY SEVENTH STREET FOREST CEMETERY BACK THERE.
AND APPARENTLY HE'S BEEN GETTING ALL KINDS OF CATS SPAYED AND THEY SHOW UP, HE GETS 'EM FIXED.
AND I TOLD HIM ABOUT HOW WE COULD HELP, BUT, SO THERE'S I THINK A LOT OF CASES OUT THERE.
SO ON TO 18 DASH THREE, THE DEFINITIONS NOW BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FIRST RED LINE.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT TOO.
'CAUSE THEY'VE MENTIONED ANIMAL WHERE ARE YOU ON 18 THREE.
CLOSER ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER IS DEFINED HERE, BUT YET WE'VE RENAMED THEM TO ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICERS.
SO WANNA MAKE IT A PO LYNETTE.
HOW IS IT, DO, DO WE KNOW IF IT'S WORDED THAT WAY? IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHERE, RIGHT HERE UNDER DEFINITIONS IT SAYS ANIMAL CONTROL.
I THINK PROBABLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE HOW MANY TIMES THAT'S USED AND WHERE NOW.
BECAUSE EVEN THEIR SHIRTS NOW SAY A PO BUT I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
THEY, THEY ARE STILL CERTIFIED ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO THE ONLY OTHER THING THEN IS IF YOU LEAVE IT ALONE HERE, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE OTHER REFERENCES TO ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICER.
ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER SLASH ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICER.
YOU KNOW, EITHER COMBINE IT OR JUST BE CONSISTENT.
USE AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER.
I I I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THAT.
SO WE TOOK A WHILE COMMUNITY SO THE CATS CAN BE FRIENDLY, SEMI FRIENDLY, ALL THIS SAME DEFINITION THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
WHAT WE TOOK OUT OF THIS WAS THE WHOLE, I FORGET, WE TOOK A BUNCH, WE TOOK A BUNCH OF OTHER DEFINITION STUFF OUT OF HERE.
WE HAVE FERAL CAT, FRIENDLY CAT AND I WANTED TO COVER A FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT SO THAT PEOPLE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, THEY CAN HAVE NEIGHBORS AND STUFF CAN HAVE IT.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE GOT ONE CAT WAS SHARED BETWEEN A COUPLE PEOPLE PICKED BACK UP AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THEN A FERAL CAT CAREGIVER, THE DEFINITION OF THAT JUST TOOK OUT THE WORD COMMUNITY, REPLACED IT WITH FERAL EAR TIPPING, TOOK OUT THE WORD COMMUNITY, JUST THE CAT'S LEFT EAR.
AND I DIDN'T PUT FERAL IN THERE BECAUSE THE SHELTER NOW EAR TIPS.
A LOT OF CATS FRIENDLY AND EVERYTHING IN THE ADOPTION ROOM.
SO IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO PUT FERAL THERE UNDER THE EAR TIPPING.
UM, AND THEN THE FERAL CAT DEFINITION IS THERE.
IT'S UNCHANGED FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
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AND TNR AND I THINK THAT JUST GO AHEAD.THAT JUST MOVES UP THOUGH, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING THE FERAL CUT IN YOUR FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT WAS READ.
YOU HAVE FERAL CUT AND THEN YOU HAVE
I THINK IT WAS HERE IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.
YEAH, WE'LL TAKE THE FIRST ONE OUT BECAUSE I LIKE THE SECOND ONE WE HAVE DOWN HERE.
THE DEFINITION UNDER F VERSUS UP UNDER COMMUNITY CATS IS OH, OKAY.
MORE COMPLETE IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO WE'LL KEEP THAT ONE AND I'LL DELETE THE FIRST ONE.
WAS THERE A, A REASON WHY WE WERE DEFINING CAT? 'CAUSE IT IT'S JUST CATS CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A DEFINITION OF CATS.
SO I JUST KIND OF KEPT IT THERE.
IT WAS, I JUST TOOK OUT THE WORD COMMUNITY AND IT FELT LIKE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FRIENDLY, FERAL, UH, 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT A FRIENDLY CAT IS, WHAT A VERSUS A FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT.
SO IF IT DOESN'T HURT ANYTHING LEGAL, LET US KNOW.
WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS, LYNETTE? I'M HAPPY TO, I I WAS, I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT WHY WE'RE DEFINING WHAT A CAT IS BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE WE HAD A HARD TIME TALKING ABOUT CATS AND THEIR DIFFERENT BEHAVIORS AND HOW WE DEFINE THEM.
THE FERAL CAT IS AN ADULT CAT.
I JUST MEANT LIKE YOU TAKE OUT THIS CATS CAN BE FRIENDLY, SEMI FRIENDLY BECAUSE YOU'VE DEFINED ALL OF THAT BELOW.
AND THERE WAS A THING IN THERE THAT SAID CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT THAT, WHERE TO PUT THE CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE THING.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THAT, BUT, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF THERE.
DOES CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE NEED TO BE THERE? I KIND OF THINK SO.
JUST, JUST I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS OTHER THROWING PAST YOU, THERE WERE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT DEFINED THAT DEFINED THEM AS BEING WILDLIFE.
SO, AND THEN THAT MADE THAT POLICE DRIVE OTHER ISSUES.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T FEED WILDLIFE.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF PEOPLE WERE FEEDING CATS WE'RE THEN ACCUSED OF FEEDING WILDLIFE AND GIVEN TICKETS.
SO WHERE ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE CHANGING UP THERE? SO WE'RE GONNA WHAT TAKE OUT EVERYTHING BEFORE CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE.
EVERYTHING IN RED, THAT FIRST SENTENCE, THAT FIRST SENTENCE AT THE TOP THAT SAYS COMMUNITY CATS CAN BE FRIENDLY, SEMI FRIENDLY, PARTIALLY OR NOT SOCIALIZED TO PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE PART.
SO I'LL LET THAT BE UP TO LEGAL.
THEN I REMOVE THIS FIRST BULLET THERE.
FERAL CAT IS AN ADULT CAT THAT IS UN TAKE THAT ONE OUT BECAUSE IN FAVOR OF THE DEFINITION DOWN BELOW, UNDER EAR TIPPING ABOUT FERAL CAT, BECAUSE THAT'S A MORE COMPLETE DEFINITION.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LEAVE FRIENDLY, CAT FRIENDLY, OUTDOOR, CAT FRIENDLY, INDOOR, OUTDOOR CAT.
SO IT'S JUST THAT FIRST BULLET THAT'S GONE AND, AND THE, AND THAT TOP LINE, RIGHT.
EXCEPT THE CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE IS GONNA, I'M JUST ASKING LEGAL FOR HELP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
BUT WE GOTTA HAVE IT GENERALLY WHENEVER YOU HAVE DEFINITIONS IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC TERM THAT'S USED.
DO WE ACTUALLY USE THE TERM FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT? IF NOT, I WOULD SAY THE DEFINITION IS UNNECESSARY.
I, I'M GONNA LET YOU LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE BACK WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AT LARGE AND WHO YOU'RE FEEDING AND WHAT YOU'RE FEEDING AND IF YOU CAN OR CANNOT FEED IT BACK IN UP HERE IN THE EIGHTEENS, UM, ABANDONING ANIMALS AND CONGREGATIONS AND IT'S UNLAWFUL TO FEED UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THE COMMENT ABOUT CATS OR NOT WILDLIFE, UM, AGAIN, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE MAY VIEW CATS AS WILDLIFE AND THERE'S A A, YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT A PROHIBITION AGAINST FEEDING WILDLIFE.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THE CONCERN IS? WE'RE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY NONE OF THIS.
HOW DO I SAY THIS? THE SHELTER PUT THOSE IN ORIGINALLY THAT THE CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE.
I THINK IT'S 'CAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT'S NOT ON HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT HAS LIKE SOME DEFINITIONS AND USES THE WORD WILDLIFE.
SO THEY DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE CONFUSED BECAUSE THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION TOO.
THEY DIDN'T WANNA BE TREATED THE SAME AS WILDLIFE.
SO I WANTED TO BE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH IT, BUT THE SHELTER PUT IT IN ORIGINALLY AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
I THINK THAT, I THINK IT'S THE, IS THE REASON AMY SAID HERE IT'S TIED UP SOMEWHERE.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL TAKE A WHOLE, WE'LL LOOK A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW
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AND KIND OF SEE IS IT FIT HERE? DOES IT FIT SOMEPLACE BETTER THERE? WE'LL ABSOLUTELY.PLEASE PUT BUT YOU, THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE IF PEOPLE ARE FEEDING CATS BARREL, WHATEVER THE OUTDOOR CAT, THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED.
OH NOW YOU'RE DRAWING, I DON'T KNOW, WILDLIFE AND HAVE AN ACCUSATION THERE.
SO, AND WHAT YOU MEANT BY THE, ALL THE, THE DEFINITIONS.
I THINK YOU COULD TECHNICALLY COMBINE THE, I KNOW FRIENDLY CAT IS USED SOMEWHERE.
BUT I THINK YOU COULD KIND OF COMBINE FRIENDLY OUTDOOR, CAT FRIENDLY INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT INTO THE FRIENDLY CAT DEFINITION.
THEY CAN MAKE 'EM ON ONE PARAGRAPH.
NO, I'M, I THINK IT IT, I LIKE THE, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT TOO, BUT I THINK I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING SEPARATED.
WELL, BUT IF YOU DON'T, IF WE DON'T CALL OUT ANY OF THESE OTHERS ANY PLACE IN THE ORDINANCE, THEN WHY DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION? DO WE, I MEAN WE'RE, IF WE WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY SETTING ANY ORDINANCE TO SAY WHILE WE'RE CALLING IT A FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT ANYWHERE, THEN THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT DEFINITION.
BUT AGAIN THAT 'CAUSE THE FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CATS ARE BEING TREATED THE SAME AS THE FRIENDLY INDOOR OUTDOOR CATS WHO ARE ALL TREATED AS FRIENDLY CATS.
WELL, SO IT'S JUST A SUBCATEGORY TO A FRIENDLY CAT.
DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT FRIENDLY? WE DID TALK ABOUT OUTDOOR CATS.
BUT IT'S, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S AN INDOOR OUTDOOR, IT'S A FRIENDLY CAT, YOU'RE NOT CALLING IT A FERAL CAT.
IS THAT WHY? I MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A SPEC A SPECIFIC SEPARATE DEFINITION.
I MEAN THE ONLY REASON YOU WOULD NEED A DEFINITION IS IF IT'S CALLED OUT SOMEWHERE IN THESE SECTIONS.
IS THAT THE ONLY REASON? YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON.
WELL IS THAT SOMETHING THAT LEGAL CAN LOOK AT? AND IF IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT, THAT WOULD BE TYPICAL OF SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A COMMENT ON.
THEY OWN I CAN PUT FRIENDLY IN HERE IN A I HEAR YOU CARL.
WHY DON'T WE JUST LEAVE IT INSTEAD OF BEATING HER HEAD.
SHE'S GONNA LOOK AT IT ANYWAY.
WELL, OKAY, BUT I'M WHAT ABOUT LIKE 18 DASH 35? SO SIR, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO 18 DASH 35 IS FEEDING THEIR OWN OUTDOOR CAT, DO YOU WANNA GO OUTDOOR? BECAUSE, BECAUSE I'M OR THEY'RE SAYING WELL YOU'RE NOT USING THE, SHE'S RIGHT.
I'M NOT USING THE RIGHT DEFINITION.
THE EXACT WORDING SAY FRIENDLY INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT.
I MEAN IT'S REFERRED TO THERE WE HAVE THE WORD BARREL CAT THERE.
UM, SO I COULD SAY FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT AND THERE I WOULD HAVE USED THE DEFINED WORD.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK AMY? TO USE THE DEFINED WORD? BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, I DIDN'T PUT THE WORD FRIENDLY IN FRONT OF IT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GAINING ANYTHING LIKE IF, IF, IF WELL THERE WAS SO MUCH DISCUSSION HERE AT THE SHELTER I ABOUT WHAT IT WAS AND HOW NO ONE COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS A FRIENDLY CAT AND IT WAS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
BUT THOSE ARE MORE, I THINK WE DECIDED THAT THOSE ARE MORE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE TYPE OF THINGS VERSUS ORDINANCE TYPE TYPES OF THINGS.
WELL I DO HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE HERE FEEDING THEIR OWN FRIENDLY CAT.
SO WE'LL PUT, I MEAN, BUT WHY DOES IT MATTER IF THEY'RE FEEDING THEIR OWN CAT? WHETHER THEIR OWN CAT IS FRIENDLY OR FERAL? UM, LET ME SEE.
LEMME GO READ THROUGH HERE AND SEE WHERE MY HEAD WAS.
I JUST, I THINK WE'RE JUST GETTING TOO MUCH DEFINITIONS HERE.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT USING THAT DEFINITION THEN THERE'S REALLY NO NEED TO HAVE A DEFINITION OF IT.
AND IF YOU'RE JUST PUTTING THE WORD FRIENDLY IN FRONT OF EVERY CAT AREA, THEN MM-HMM
SO I DOES IT SAY THE ONLY PLACE I SEE IS WHAT 18 DASH 36 A TO D KAT IS FRIENDLY, WHICH I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A DEFINITION 'CAUSE YOU'RE AND IN 1835
WELL YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING I'M NOT USING IT AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
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YOU'RE RIGHT.BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS HERE IT'S FEEDING THEIR OWN OUTDOOR CAT.
WHY DOES IT MATTER IF IT'S A, IF THEIR CAT, IF THEIR OWN CAT IS FRIENDLY OR NOT? I WAS JUST TRYING TO GO ALONG WITH C AND I WAS STILL DIFFERENTI BEING THAT WE HAD DEFINITIONS DIFF STILL CALLING OUT.
WELL OKAY IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE DEFINITIONS OF FERAL AND FRIENDLY, THEN I WAS LIKE, AND THEY HAD FERAL COLONY CAREGIVERS AND FERAL CATS.
UM, THAT I WAS JUST GONNA PUT FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT.
SO THEN YOU'VE GOT D TO, TO DEAL WITH.
'CAUSE THAT SAYS CAT IS FRIENDLY.
SO I SEE THAT AS A REASON TO DEFINE FRIENDLY.
I MEAN I JUST THINK WE'RE GETTING BOGGED DOWN HERE ON SOMETHING THAT UNLESS THEY FIND A REASON TO NOT HAVE IT IN, I I DON'T SEE IT'S THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
BUT IT IS REFERENCED UP THERE SO THEREFORE THAT SHOULD, SOMEBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT A FRIENDLY CAT IS DEFINED AS.
SO THERE'S JUST SO MUCH DISCUSSION AROUND IT.
I MEAN IF YOU DO THAT THEN I JUST THINK YOU EITHER COMBINE THE FRIENDLY OUTDOOR, CAT FRIENDLY INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT AND MOVE THAT INTO THE DEFINITION OF FRIENDLY CAT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT, 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT A FRIENDLY CAT.
CAN BE WHAT SOCIALIZED TO HUMANS SUITABLE AS A TRADITIONAL PET CAN BE OWNED AND CARED FOR BY ONE OR MORE RESIDENTS.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE CHANGE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU DON'T NEED THESE TO FIND A FRIENDLY CAT, A FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT AND YOU DON'T NEED FRIENDLY INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT.
THOSE CAN JUST BE, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S IN THOSE WORDS, YOU WOULD WANT TO JUST MOVE IT INTO THE DEFINITION OF FRIENDLY CAT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OWNED AND CARED FOR.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE A FRIENDLY CAT IS OWNED AND CARED FOR.
JUST, I'M NOT SAYING TO GET RID OF YOUR WORDING THAT YOU HAVE HERE, BUT JUST COMBINE IT INTO THE FRIENDLY CAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYWHERE THAT YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES TO A FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT VERSUS A FRIENDLY CAT VERSUS A FRIENDLY INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT? WELL THAT'S, SO 1835 FEEDING AN OUTDOOR CAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE I WANTED TO BUT YOU DON'T SAY FRIENDLY OR ARE YOU ADDING, YOU'RE ADDING NO, I YOU'RE TELLING ME I NEED TO ADD IT.
AND I AGREE BECAUSE YOU'RE, I'M NOT TELLING YOU NEED, YOU'RE TELLING I JUST USE THE DEFINITION.
I WOULD JUST THINK THAT OF IF YOU HAVE THE DEFINITION OF A FERAL CAT THAN ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN A FERAL CAT DEF DEFAULTS TO FRIENDLY.
YOU CAN'T MAKE AN ASSUMPTION IF YOU'RE WRITING AN ORDER ORDINANCE THOUGH.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ASSUME LEAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT.
I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT AND I WILL ADD THE WORD FRIENDLY IN, IN, UM, IN, UH, 1835 DOWN THERE UNDER THE, IN FRONT OF THE WORD OUTDOOR.
SO TO BE A BIT MORE CONSISTENT, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT.
I DON'T THINK I, I I'M, I'M FINE WITH IT BEING LEFT.
BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE AN ASSUMPTION AND IT'S JUST BEEN SUCH A PAINFUL DISCUSSION.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I AM SAYING I DON'T WANT US TO GET TOO BIG BOGGED DOWN.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? THEY'RE TAKING IT BACK.
YOU'RE GONNA GIVE YOUR A NEW RED LINE, WHAT WE DISCUSSED HERE.
I WILL PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT COLOR THAN RED.
THANK YOU KYLE FOR THIS SUGGESTION.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE CITY STAFF, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT CAN PROVIDE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE.
USUALLY WE'LL REACH OUT TO PD BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF OVER ANIMAL CONTROL AND SO THEY DEAL WITH THE ENFORCEMENT ARM.
WE ALSO HAVE A PROSECUTION UNIT, SO WE'LL TALK WITH OUR PROSECUTOR AND SEE, HEY, IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ENFORCEMENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, ISSUES WITH THIS LANGUAGE? THIS LANGUAGE ACTUALLY TRANSLATES TO THINGS LIKE COURT COMPLAINTS AND CHARGING DOCUMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO LANGUAGE HAS TO HAVE A CERTAIN ELEMENT OF PRECISION.
WE'LL ALSO REACH OUT TO SOME OF OUR PEOPLE IN ADMINISTRATION AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING THAT'S PROPOSED HAS TO GO THROUGH COUNCIL.
COUNCIL I'M SURE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN OPINIONS ON WHAT VERBIAGE THEY WANT, WHAT LANGUAGE THEY WANT.
SO, UM, IS THAT, IS THAT DONE BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL? IT'S OUTSIDE? NO.
UM, THAT, THAT I CANNOT, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THAT.
I JUST WAS WONDERING, I'M JUST SAYING INTERNALLY WE KIND OF WORK WITH STAFF TO KIND OF COME OF THESE, UM, WE WERE GONNA STAY TRUE TO YOUR INTENTIONS AND
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TO THE COMMENTS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND THE CONCEPTS.THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME TWEAKS.
UM, HOW IT KIND OF COMES BACK TO YOU.
THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN.
AND I WILL KIND OF RELAY RELY ON, I THINK THE STAFF LIAISON, SINCE HE'S NOT HERE, HE'S GONNA GET POINTED AT, UM, DRE HICKS.
HE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AND KIND OF FACILITATE THAT AND KIND OF EITHER, WHETHER HE SENDS THAT TO YOU, EMAIL, WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING.
I WILL LEAVE THAT TO KIND OF HIM TO TO DRE.
SO DRE WILL GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH US IN SOME FASHION.
I I'M SURE I WILL GET YOUR EMAIL AND I'LL SEND THE UPDATES TO EVERYBODY IN ANYWAY AND INCLUDE YOU AND THAT.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA INCLUDE OUR NEW LAWYER? YES, GENTLEMEN.
I JUST, AND, AND TIMEFRAME WISE, ARE WE TALKING THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THAT WILL GET PRESENTED OR THAT I CANNOT ANSWER? I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, THAT'S USUALLY, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW, UM, HOW THE REVIEW PROCESS GOES INTERNALLY.
IF WE CAN GET EVERYTHING TIED UP.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA WORK AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BUT IF THERE'S ISSUES THAT COME UP AND WE REQUIRED ADDITIONAL COMP, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL COMPLICATIONS IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
WE ALWAYS KEEP OUR, OUR BOARDS INFORMED.
BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE LIKE ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.
YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'D BE PRETTY QUICK.
WELL, YEAH, I THAT'S PRETTY QUICK ACTUALLY.
JUST HAD THEIR MEETING, SO YEAH, BUT I'M SO I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE A PRECISE TIMELINE FOR YOU, BUT IT'S NOT EXPECTED.
YOU KNOW, JUST IN, IN GENERAL.
IF WE THINK ABOUT IT, TWO WEEKS IS PROBABLY PRETTY BECAUSE ULTIMATELY HOW IT, HOW IT GOES TO COUNCIL IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A DATA SHEET AND AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT.
AND GENERALLY SPEAKING STAFF KIND OF PREPARES AND OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD ITSELF CAN'T FORCE SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S USUALLY, UM, STAFF PEOPLE.
SO I THINK IT'S, IF IT'S NOT, UH, THE CHIEF'S OFFICE AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE IN ADMINISTRATION AND I HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD WHO FRANKLY OUR PROVINCE AND MY SANDBOX IS JUST TO DEAL WITH THE ORDINANCE AND THE LANGUAGE.
HOW EVERYTHING ELSE KIND OF MAKES ITS WAY IT WILL HAPPEN.
BUT IT JUST KIND OF, THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS IT COULD HAPPEN.
WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD OPERATING PROCESS RIGHT NOW IN PLACE I THINK AT THE SHELTER.
UNLESS YOU DON'T AGREE LYNETTE, THAT WE CAN GET BY FOR A WHILE.
WE, BECAUSE ONCE WE UNFROZE EVERYTHING THAT JUST FREES YOU TO DO YOUR JOB.
YOU HAVE ANY ANIMAL OTHER THAN A EAR TIPPED FERAL CAT FOUND RUNNING AT LARGE WOULD BE IMPOUNDED, BUT YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE FINE WITH YEAH.
RIGHT? SO, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE? WELL, IT'S ALSO MAYBE AS, AS OPPOSED SHALL BE YEAH.
NOW THAT WE'RE EAR TIPPING LOTS OF CATS, IT MAKES IT LESS CLEAR IF IT'S A LOST CAT.
I'M MORE REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SPECIFYING THAT ONLY FERAL CATS WOULD BE PICKED UP.
BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE FINE WITH SOMEBODY FEEDING THEIR OUTDOOR CAT, THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE FINE WITH A FRIENDLY CAT BEING OUTDOORS.
UM, SO THAT IMPOUNDMENT QUESTION COMES UP ABOUT WHY THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED.
SO HOW DO YOU DECIDE AN OUTDOOR CAT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TOUGH SPOT WE WERE IN INDOOR.
SO IF THEY GET OUT, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? YEAH,
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RUB WE HAD BEFORE WAS LIKE THE SHELTER.
THIS, THIS IS WHERE OUR QUESTIONS CAME UP BEFORE WAS YEAH.
IF WE ARE PERMITTING PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR OUTDOOR CATS OUTDOORS YEAH.
WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT HOW WE'RE DEFINING PEOPLE.
WELL I THINK WE DO WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE BEEN PICKING 'EM UP AND BRINGING 'EM IN AND, AND IF THEY HAVE AN EAR TIP.
GENERALLY THEY HAVE A MICROCHIP, BUT NOT ALWAYS.
NO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING NOT AN EAR TIPPED.
SO YOU WANT ALL EAR, I DON'T WANNA PICK UP A FERAL, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE WANTING FROM THAT.
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AN EAR TIPPED FERAL CAT.SO THAT MEANS EAR TIPPED FRIENDLY CAT MAY BE CAPTURED BY THE, AND A FRIENDLY CAT AND A UN EAR TIPPED CAT CAN BE PICKED UP BY A PO.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WORDED NOW.
IS THAT, WAS THAT YOUR INTENTION? YEAH.
BECAUSE WE'VE EAR TIPPED FRIENDLIES.
BUT ARE YOU GONNA, ARE YOU GOING TO ASSESS IN THE FIELD THAT IT'S A FERAL CAT VERSUS A FRIENDLY CAT? BECAUSE MY CAT WOULDN'T BE FRIENDLY TO ANYONE IN THE FIELD.
SO NOW IT'S, WELL, THE SUGGESTION TO THE SHELTER HAS BEEN THAT THEY TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY PICK THE CAT UP, HOW THE CAT'S BEHAVIOR IS.
'CAUSE THE, THE CAT WILL BE BEHAVING DIFFERENT, LET'S SAY AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE WHEN THEY'RE GIVING THEM TO YOU VERSUS IN THE SHELTER.
SO WE ASKED FOR LIKE, CAT BEHAVIOR INFORMATION FROM THE PEOPLE TURNING THE CAT IN AND SAYING, HEY, THIS, THIS CAT'S BEEN HERE.
I'VE BEEN FEEDING IT FOR TWO WEEKS.
I MEAN, THIS IS, WHAT IS IT? AND I WOULD THINK THE SHELTER PICK IT UP.
AND I MEAN THEY CAN DO THAT MICROCHIP CHECKING IN THE FIELD.
I'M JUST, LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST CLARIFYING BECAUSE IT SAYS ANY OF IT'S SPECIFYING EAR TIPPED, FERAL.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT SPECIFYING THAT ONLY EAR TIPPED FERALS CAN BE OUTDOORS.
SO THAT I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION WE'VE PICKED.
NO, BUT YOU'RE GONNA PICK IT UP IF IT'S FRIENDLY AND EAR TIPPED AND THEY CALL YOU.
SO, BUT IF YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE YOUR CAT OUTDOORS, YES.
YOU ARE YOUR FRIENDLY, NICE CAT OUTDOORS.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO SAYING WE WILL IMPOUND IT IF WE FIND IT YEP.
BUT DO YOU SEE WHERE THE CONFLICT THERE? I DO.
I BUT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GONNA CHECK THE CHIP.
AND ON THE ONES THAT WE'VE RECENTLY DONE, WE'VE ALL, WE'VE GOT CHIPS ON 'EM.
THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT WERE CHIPPED AND RELEASED AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, BACK BEFORE IT WAS SHUT DOWN, FRIENDLY CATS.
SO I DIDN'T WANNA COUNT THAT OUT.
IF THEY GOT LOST VEER TIPPED CAT THAT'S FRIENDLY.
WE GOT EXAMPLES ON NEXT DOOR AND STUFF THREE MILES AWAY.
MY CAT WAS, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT THREE MILES AWAY.
SO I THINK THEY'RE WORTH PICKING UP.
OR YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU, YOUR GUYS ACTUAL PRACTICE HELPED ME HERE IS YOU HAVE THE SCANNER IN THE FIELD, YOU CAN LOOK UP THE CHIP INFORMATION FIELD.
IS THAT RIGHT OR NOT REALLY? WE DO HAVE THE SCANNERS IN THE FIELD.
UM, THE PROCESS FOR LOOKING UP THE CHIP, UM, VARIES ON ITS COMPLEXITY, DEPENDING ON YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
IF SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT THE EAR TIPPED FRIENDLY CATS.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T WANT AN EAR TIPPED FERAL, AN EAR TIPPED FERAL CAT TO BE PICKED UP.
BUT IT'S OKAY FOR AN EAR TIPPED CAT THAT WALKS RIGHT UP TO THEM.
UM, A P'S NOT OUT LOOKING FOR THIS.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LIKE, IF, AND IF SOMEBODY REPORTS THIS CAT THAT IS FRIENDLY IN YOUR TIP, THEN YOU KNOW, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, THEN YEAH.
CHECK THE CHIP, CALL THE OWNER.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW EAR TIPPED CATS COME THROUGH THE CONDOS LATELY.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT BECAUSE IT MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT WHEN EVERY CAT IS YOUR TIPPED.
I I I HAVE TO, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT GOT US HERE YEP.
SO ARE YOU OPPOSED TO IT OR ARE YOU JUST CONFUSED BY IT? THAT'S BEEN THE STICKING POINT FOR STAFF ALL ALONG.
SO IT, THAT'S BEEN THE CONCERN OF STAFF FROM THE START WHEN, WHEN THE, THE PUSHBACK BEGAN.
HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN IT BE CHANGED TO SATISFY THAT QUESTION? I'M GIVEN THE FEEDBACK FROM THE STAFF.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE STAFF AND, AND THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ARE, ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE STAFF DOESN'T FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE DETERMINING FRIENDLINESS IN THE FIELD.
AND, AND THE AND THE STAFF WON'T BE DETERMINING IT ALONE IN THE FIELD.
THEY'RE GONNA TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING, HERE IS THIS CAT HAVING THAT CONVERSATION
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WITH THEM.HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD IT? HAVE YOU VETTED INDOORS? WHAT'S GOING ON? HOW DOES IT ACT? WHO HAVE YOU SEEN IT WALK UP TO? RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND, UM, ALLIE CAT ALLIES HAS THAT WHOLE THING AND OF FRIENDLY CATS AND THEIR BEHAVIOR OUTSIDE VERSUS WHEN YOU GET 'EM IN.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS WOULD ONLY BE UTILIZED IF SOMEONE'S CALLING A CAT IN THAT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
AND AT THAT POINT THAT ALSO WAIT, WELL, APL ARE TOO BUSY TO WANDER AROUND FINDING CATS.
THAT ALSO GIVES YOUR NEIGHBOR THE ABILITY TO TURN IN YOUR FRIENDLY CAT.
WHICH THEY'RE ALREADY DOING IT.
WHICH WAS WHAT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS TRYING TO PREVENT.
SO MAYBE WE TABLE IT, WE THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE IT IS A LAW.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A POLICY PROCEDURE.
YOU'RE THE ORDINANCE IS A LAW.
THERE CAN'T BE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD JUST FIGURE THAT OUT.
'CAUSE IT HAS TO BE ENFORCEABLE.
I MEAN, IF IT'S OKAY AND YOU'RE TIPPED FERAL, YOU BRING IT IN.
AND PEOPLE, WE DEFINED, FERAL AND FRIENDLY.
WAIT, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? I WOULD SAY IF Y'ALL CAN'T AGREE ON IT HERE, THEN IT'S DIFFICULT TO HAVE OFFICERS TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT, OUT IN THE FIELD.
SO TABLE IT, TALK ABOUT IT, FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
AND WELL, MAYBE THE OFFICERS DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT IN THE FIELD, THEN BRING THE CAT IN LIKE THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
I, I THINK WE NEED TO GO OFFLINE.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE THE MEETINGS WITH TOO MANY PEOPLE.
SO YEAH, I'M GOING TO TALK TO HER THEN.
SO I THINK YOU ALMOST NEED A WORKING SESSION TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE CAN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THE DISCUSSION'S JUST BEEN LIMITED.
BUT WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WORKING SESSION TO, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH WHAT THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE.
BUT HERE'S WHAT I THINK THE SHELTER WOULD PREFER.
LYNETTE'S NOT COMING OUT AND SAYING IT.
I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY EAR TIPPED PERIOD RUNNING AT LARGE.
'CAUSE THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY CAT THING.
EAR 'EM ALL LET 'EM RUN AROUND.
WHAT, WHAT SAY YOU TO THAT, THAT ESSENTIALLY WAS THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.
BUT, BUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? IF, LIKE, TO ME, IF SOMEBODY'S MISSING THEIR CAT AND IT'S WHAT? IT'S A FRIENDLY EAR TIP CAT.
SO LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY SHE'S CONCERNED THAT HER CAT GOT OUT AND SHE'S NOT GONNA GET IT BACK BECAUSE IT'S NOW WALKED THREE MILES AWAY.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER COULD HAVE BEEN CALLED AND WE DIDN'T PICK IT UP BECAUSE IT WAS CONSIDERED FRIENDLY? NO, BECAUSE IT WAS EAR TIPPED.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IT WAS EAR TIPPED.
AND I'VE GOT, AND I'VE ADOPTED OUR EAR TIPPED EMBER FROM THE SHELTER.
AND I'LL BE HEARTBROKEN IF THAT CAT IS GONE AND NO ONE REPORTS, SOMEBODY REPORTS THAT CAT AND, AND AND, AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S TOO BAD IT'S EAR TIPPED.
AND I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD, I WANT MY CAT BACK.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN YOU, WE I WANT MY CAT BACK.
I MEAN, AND AT LEAST YOU GET THE CAT LOOK AT THE CHIP TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON RATHER THAN IT STAYS WHEREVER IT GOT LOST.
WE'VE GOTTA MAKE A COMPROMISE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT GOT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS IT'S, IT'S, WE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT WAS.
I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE THOUGH IS THAT THE COMPROMISE HAS TO BE LEGAL AND ENFORCEABLE.
AND THAT, THAT'S BEEN THE STAFF'S CONCERN FROM THE START.
WELL THE STAFF'S CONCERN WAS THEY DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, AT LEAST WITH THE CAT IN THE KENNELS.
BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE KENNEL FAS AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS IN THE SHELTER.
THE STAFF'S CONCERN WAS THAT WE WERE SAYING THAT IT WAS PERFECTLY LEGAL FOR YOUR CAT TO BE OUTDOORS.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT IF IT, IF WE DON'T DEEM IT FERAL.
THERE, THERE WAS A CONFLICTION IN IN THOSE TWO ORDINANCES.
I MEAN IF IT'S FRIENDLY, AT LEAST IF SOMEBODY'S REPORTING IT, I WANT MY FRIENDLY CAT BACK.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE EAR TIPPED THEM NOW AND NOW WE GOT FRIENDLY CATS THAT CAN GET LOST.
THEY ACTUALLY TAKE 'EM AND ABANDON THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE IF THEY'RE OUTDOOR AND FRIENDLY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, CATS ARE NOT SEARCHED FOR WITHIN THE 72 HOUR PERIOD THAT THEY ARE IN STR.
SO IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU LIKE YOU, YOU WANT YOUR CAT BACK, BUT WHAT LEAGUE CITIES DONE BRING IT INTO THE SHELTER STATISTICALLY IS THE WORST WAY TO GET YOUR CAT BACK.
SO THAT'S LARGELY WHAT I'M HOPING FOR IN THIS BECAUSE WE'VE STARTED EAR TIPPING.
WE DO CHIP 'EM ALL, SO THEY SHOULD BE CHIPPED AND FINDING, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER SHOULD BE RELATIVELY
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STRAIGHTFORWARD.SO, SO SOMEBODY SEES A CAT RUNNING AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY JUST GOT ANNOYED BY A CAT BEING IN THEIR YARD TO CALL THE SHE.
DOES THE STAFF HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY IT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM? WE DID PREPARE MATERIALS TO DISTRIBUTE, BUT THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN ON HOLD WHILE THE PROGRAM'S BEEN ON HOLD.
WE HAVE SOME IN THE BUILDING AND WE HAVE SOME THAT THE OFFICERS CAN PROVIDE, BUT AT THIS TIME, THAT WAS BACK TO THEY WILL PICK IT UP.
WELL, YEAH, BUT AGAIN, IF, IF THERE'S A CAT, WE'VE GOT A NEIGHBORHOOD CAT.
IT IS, UH, I SWEAR IT'S THE CUTEST CAT.
MY DAUGHTER WANTS US TO ADOPT IT.
BUT THERE'S A COMMUNITY CAT THAT COMES AROUND.
OUR HOUSE STANDS IN, STANDS IN THE WINDOW OF OUR LIVING ROOM AND DRIVES OUR CATS CRAZY.
I LOVE IT'S CUTER THAN MOST OF OUR CATS.
AND NOT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE THAT OPINION.
THERE'S A STRANGE CAT IN MY WINDOW.
WE ALSO PROVIDED, UH, OR PREPARED A FLYER TO PREPARE OR TO PROVIDE TO PEOPLE THAT WERE REPORTING THAT, UM, THAT HAD LIKE MITIGATION TECHNIQUES.
UM, HOW TO BASICALLY DETER CATS FROM YOUR YARD IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM THERE.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE BOTH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS ALSO, UM, HAD INFORMATION ON IDENTIFYING A CAT THAT NEEDED HELP VERSUS A CAT THAT IF YOU DON'T WANT IT ON YOUR PROPERTY, JUST SHOO IT AWAY.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO PREPARED A WEBPAGE MATCHING THOSE, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PUBLISHED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE PROGRAM'S BEEN ON HOLD.
SO WHAT, AND YOU KNOW, I JUST LIKE TO SPOUT OFF.
WHERE'S THE CONFLICT? I'M STILL, I'M NOT SEEING IT.
THE, THE CONFLICT IS THAT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT A CAT CAN BE, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S ALLOWED TO BE AT LARGE, NOT JUST FERAL CATS, BUT ANY CAT IS ALLOWED TO BE AT LARGE.
BUT IN THE VERY FOLLOWING ORDINANCE, YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S ANYTHING OTHER THAN FERAL WOULD BE IMPOUNDED.
MAYBE I WILL BE, MAYBE IT SAYS MAYBE.
SO AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING WHERE THE STAFF HAVE CONFLICT AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONFLICT IS.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH THAT IT SAYS MAYBE MM-HMM,
THAT'S, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING A HUGE CONFLICT.
ONCE AGAIN, WHAT GOD IS HERE IS EXACTLY.
IF A, IF A FRIENDLY CAT IS BROUGHT INTO THE SHELTER, WE WANT IT PUT UP FOR ADOPTION AFTER THE WHOLE PERIOD.
AND NOT RETURNED TO WHERE IT WAS PICKED UP.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE CRUX OF WHAT STARTED THIS.
BUT, AND, AND, AND I GET THAT, BUT I'M STILL NOT SEEING WHERE THAT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE A CONCERN.
I'M NOT SEEING THE WHOLE CONFLICT THOUGH.
WITH THE WORDING THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
AND UNLESS, AND UNLESS I HEAR SOMEBODY MAKING HERE, THIS IS HOW I'D RATHER IT READ.
I DON'T SEE THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD CHANGE THIS.
'CAUSE I, I THINK IT'S SOUND REASONABLY SOUND LEGALLY, WHO KNOWS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T SEE, I GET IT.
THERE'S HISTORY THAT NONE OF US WANTS TO GET MIRED DOWN IN AGAIN, BUT AT SOME POINT SOMETHING'S GOTTA GIVE.
WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS.
I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM HERE.
DON'T WANT TO IRRITATE STAFF, BUT AT SOME POINT SOMETHING'S GOTTA GIVE.
AND THERE MAY BE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO JUST ROLL WITH IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SOME CHANGE.
THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHAT, HERE YOU'RE GONNA TO MAKE IT BETTER.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL T AND R ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TO RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE WORKING DO THIS RIGHT NOW.
BUT, BUT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE CAN
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HELP THEM YEAH.YOU KNOW, ALLAY THAT HEADACHE.
GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH WITH I JUST, THE HEADACHE YOU'RE ASKING TO GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH, IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
SO DOES THAT MEAN NOW WE'RE GOING MONTHS, MONTHS, MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD? BY THE TIME WE FIGURE THIS ALL OUT, I'M, I'M JUST IN, I DON'T SEE IT.
IT'S THAT BIG OF A DEAL THAT IT CAN'T BE DEALT WITH AND CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.
I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT, BUT I'M NOT SEEING IT.
IT WAS A QUESTION, VALID QUESTION, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S THAT MUCH IN IT THAT IT SHOULD BE STRICKEN FROM AND CAUSE US POTENTIALLY MONTHS OR DELAYS FOR THAT SENTENCE.
SO IN A LEGAL DOCUMENT, THE WORD MAY IS ALL FINE IF THE STAFF'S DECISION IS IN YOUR FAVOR.
IF THE STAFF DECISION IS NOT IN HER FAVOR ON THE STREET, THEN SHE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE WORD MAY.
AND THAT PUTS STAFF IN A WEIRD POSITION BECAUSE AS LONG AS THE PERSON THAT IS ASKING FOR HELP AGREES WITH THEIR DECISION, IT'S FINE.
IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THEIR DECISION, THEN IT CAUSES ISSUES.
HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN AND, AND YES, I'VE KNOWN A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT TO AGREE WITH MY DECISIONS.
SO, SO ALMOST EVERY DAY, IS IT EVER GONNA CHANGE? NAH.
YOU KNOW, SO THE PURPOSE IS TO TRY TO NOT PUT STAFF IN THOSE DECISIONS AND I, OR IN THOSE POSITIONS AT THE SAME TIME YOU WANNA GIVE STAFF FLEXIBILITY.
SO IT'S, THAT'S, AND IT'S NOT SAYING, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA PICK UP EVERY CAT THAT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, CRAZINESS.
SO I, I JUST DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
DIDN'T WE DISCUSS HAVING STAFF GIVE US SOME, SOME SOMETHING TO WORK WITH? DIDN'T WE, DIDN'T WE SAY THAT ABOUT THEM PICKING UP NOT THE WHOLE THING IS NOT BEING COMFORTABLE PICKING UP CERTAIN ANIMALS AND MAKING THAT JUDGMENT IN THE FIELD.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONFLICT, THE JUDGMENT AT THE SHELTER IS WHAT I THOUGHT THE CONFLICT WAS.
BUT YEAH, FIELD TWO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL, BUT SO SAME THING.
IT CAN BE DONE AT THE SHELTER OR IN THE FIELD AND IT'S STAFF WHO DOES IT.
SO I THINK THEY SHOULD GIVE US SOME, THEIR INPUT INSTEAD OF MAKING THE DECISION RIGHT HERE.
BUT WE'VE, AND THEN WE CAN WORK WITH IT GIVEN TIME FOR THAT INPUT.
AND WE'VE NOT, AND THEN AGAIN, WHEN PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT AS AN ATTACK, WE'VE GIVEN TIME FOR THAT INPUT.
WE'VE NOT GOTTEN ANYTHING WE ASKED, WE DID ASK FOR, WE'VE ASKED FOR IT LAST.
I REMEMBER LAST MEETING YOU DID.
SO I, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS NOW FOR, THAT IS GONNA RUN INTO THAT MUCH MORE OF A DELAY.
MAY I ASK THE QUESTION TOO? NO,
SO THE EFFECT OF THIS LANGUAGE AS IS, AND I, I JUST WANNA, I'M STILL THINKING THROUGH IT.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S MY, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AND, AND DO A VERY IN DEPTH KIND OF AN ANALYSIS AND GO THROUGH AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, BUT THE EFFECT OF SUBSECTION D ON 18.8 WITH SUBSECTION A ON 18.9.
I'M LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE AND D AND IT SAYS THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO FERAL OR OWNED CATS.
IT SAYS, THE PROHIBITION SAYS ANY ANIMAL FOUND OUTSIDE ENCLOSURE TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY MAY BE TAKEN UP BY ANY PERSON DELIVERED TO THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY.
THE REGULAR AUTHORITY HAS A RIGHT TO ER, UH, TO REQUIRE OFFENSE BE HIGHER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
IT, SO IT DOES NOT APPLY TO FERAL CATS.
DOES THIS MEAN, AND IS, IS IT THE INTENT? AND I JUST, I WANNA UNDERSTAND THE INTENT.
IS IT THE INTENT OF THIS BOARD TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, TO CONSIDER REGULATIONS THAT BASICALLY EXEMPT ANY TYPE OF CAT FROM BEING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY? SO LYNETTE HERE HAS A HOUSE.
SHE HAS A VERY DECORATED GARDEN.
HYPOTHETICALLY, THERE'S A CAT THAT GOES IN THERE.
SHE, THAT CAT FOR WHATEVER REASONS THAT SHE CAN ARTICULATE TO ANIMAL PATROL IS A NUISANCE.
IT MEOWS, IT POOPS EVERYWHERE.
IS IT THE INTENT OF THIS BOARD THAT THAT ANIMAL CANNOT BE PICKED UP? THAT THAT ANIMAL CANNOT BE, IF, IF SHE, IT'S NOT A NORMAL FERAL CAT.
IT'S, IT'S A PSYCHO PET CEMETERY FERAL CAT.
IS IT THE INTENT THAT IF SHE CALLS ANIMAL CONTROL, THEY CAN, THEY'LL SAY, I'M SORRY.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO BECAUSE THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE IS, WE, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
LET, YOU CAN JUST, WE'LL HOPE THAT THE CAT MOVES ON AT SOME POINT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT'S NOT
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OUR HOPE.IF IT'S A FERAL CAT, WELL, AND IT'S LIKE A FERAL CAT THAT'S LIKE A NUISANCE TO CAT.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER
THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT NO ENFORCEMENT ACTION CAN BE TAKEN.
YOU TREAT THEM AS IF THEY'RE PRIZED WILDLIFE.
SO IF IT'S EAR TIPPED, IF THEY'RE NOT EAR TIPPED AND THEY'RE YOWLING, WE NEED TO PICK IT UP AND FIX IT AND GET IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FAIR, I'LL GET IT BACK OUT.
WHAT IF THEY ARE EAR TIPPED? IF THEY'RE NOT EAR TIPPED? NO, IF THEY, IF THEY ARE EAR TIPPED.
IF THEY ARE EAR TIPPED, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A CONVERSA TO ME EAT WORD LIKE, OH HE LEFT.
UM, AND THAT'S, AND AND, AND CONVERSATIONS ARE GOOD AND, AND I THINK THEY HAVE PLENTY OF IT.
'CAUSE I HEAR ABOUT IT WHENEVER I WAS AS A PROSECUTOR, BUT LIKE, WHAT'S MY NEIGHBOR'S CAT? A LOT OF TIMES THEY GET THE CALL.
BUT IS THE INTENT THAT EVEN ONCE THEY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THAT THERE BE NO LEGAL ENFORCEMENT ACTION ON THE PART OF STAFF? IS THAT THE INTENT? NO.
WHY YOU SAID THAT IT'S OKAY TO HAVE OUTDOOR CATS, BUT IF IT'S A NUISANCE OF SOME SORT, DO WE HAVE TO ADD A DEFINITION? NO, NO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY COME BACK.
WE COULD ADD DEFINITION, BUT THEY COME BACK.
THE SHELTER HAS, WE HAVE NUISANCE ISSUES WITH THE FERAL CATS RIGHT NOW.
AND PEOPLE CALL IN THE SHELTER AND COMPLETELY ANGRY ON NEXT DOOR AND EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDED THE, UH, ULTRASONIC AND THE WATER CANNON.
THEY'RE RECOMMENDED PREVENTION MOTHER METHODS TO GET THE CA OFF YOUR PROPERTY, THOSE ULTRASONICS.
AND WE WILL GET EVERY ANIMAL OFF YOUR PROPERTY LIKE POSSUMS AND SQUIRRELS AND EVERYTHING.
SO, I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE DETERRENTS WE TELL PEOPLE.
WHEN I HEAR THAT THOUGH, WHEN IT, WHEN I HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT DETERRENTS, WHAT I ALSO HEAR YOU SAYING IS YOU'RE CORRECT, MICHELLE.
STAFF CAN TAKE NO ACTION AGAINST THESE, YOUR TIP CATS OR WHATEVER TYPE OF CAT.
SO IS THAT I HEARD FROM HIM, I HEARD NO, AND I'M KIND OF TRYING TO ASCERTAIN THE INTENT OF THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE INTENT OF IT? BECAUSE THAT, HONESTLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I GLUED OR ZEROED IN ON WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS LANGUAGE.
SO IF THERE IS A NUISANCE CAT, DO YOU WANT STAFF TO NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANY, ANY SORT OF LEGAL ACTION? WHAT'S LEGAL ACTION? PICK UP THE CAT, WRITE A TICKET.
DO SOME DO DO SOME, I MEAN, DO YOU WANT THEM TO SAY, I'M SORRY, OUR HANDS ARE TIED, WE CAN DO NOTHING.
IS THAT THE INTENT? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? WHERE ARE YOU, WHERE ARE YOU READING INTO THAT? IT'S THE EFFECT, HAVING THIS LANGUAGE TOGETHER WITH THIS LANGUAGE.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK AND SEE THIS COULD BE AN INTERPRETATION OF IT.
SO AS WE'RE CLARIFYING, BECAUSE AS LIEUTENANT SAID, AS OUR CHIEF SAYS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY SORT OF LAWS OUT THERE ARE VERY CLEAR AND AND AMBIGUOUS AS FAR AS WHAT'S THE ROLE OF CITY OF CITY STAFF WHEN THEY GET CALLED.
THEY WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR OBLIGATIONS ARE RELATIVE TO THIS PARTICULAR STUFF.
SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW DOES JUST READ TO YOU RIGHT NOW? IT READS HONESTLY THAT, AND AGAIN, LET'S BE CLARIFY, AND THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
IT READS RIGHT NOW THAT IF SOMEONE CALLS AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT A NUISANCE CAT STAFF CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WHAT DO YOU DO RIGHT NOW? YOU'RE A LEGAL EXPERT.
I, I READ, I READ IT THAT WAY.
A COUPLE OF OTHERS, UM, HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.
UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE, BUT I'VE SEEN THAT PHRASE BEFORE AND I QUES WHICH, WHICH PHRASE, UH, THE SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO COMMUNITY CATS, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN AS.
AND I HAD ASKED QUESTIONS LIKE, WAIT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT STATEMENT MEAN? AND WHAT DOES THE EFFECT OF THAT STATEMENT? AND HONESTLY, I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THE ORDINANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT POINT.
SO I WANNA, BEFORE I WRITE ANYTHING, I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE INTENT.
SO FOR THIS SECTION D ANIMALS TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, LIKE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE FERAL CATS.
WE TELL THEM TO PUT UP DETERRENTS.
AND IF THEY'RE FRIENDLY OWNED CATS, WE TELL THEM TO PUT UP DETERRENTS.
THEY'RE THE NEIGHBORS CATS WHO PUT UP DETERRENTS.
SO, AND, AND PEOPLE KEEP CALLING AND SAYING THE DETERRENTS AREN'T WORKING.
AND SO AT THAT POINT, WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THE COMMITTEE THAT STAFF DO? STAFF SAYS, I'M SORRY, THAT'S ALL WE CAN OFFER.
THAT'S ALL THE HELP WE CAN OFFER.
Y AND IF THAT'S, SO THAT'S FINE.
WELL, WHY CAN'T STAFF CONS? I MEAN, HOW WOULD STAFF MAKE THE JUDGMENT THAT IT'S A NUISANCE AT THAT POINT? YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO TO HAVE, WE CAN BRING IT IN.
BUT WHY BOTH? DOES THAT NEED TO BE WRITTEN IN HERE SOMEWHERE? OR, OR IS THAT THAT'S PART OF THE INTERNAL DISCUSSION.
AND THIS IS THIS, THIS, THIS WAS PLEASE STAFF DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY.
THAT BECOMES COMMON SENSE TO ME TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT THAT IT'S A NUISANCE CAT AND IT SHOULD BE PICKED UP AND THE AND IT'S ALLOWED TO BE PICKED UP BASED ON THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, FROM THE OTHER CO COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I'M NOT SURE IF, DO YOU AGREE WITH, WITH WHAT HE ARTICULATED? WHAT DID YOU ARTICULATE THAT THAT STAFF CAN MAKE THE JUDGMENT THAT IT'S A NUISANCE CAT TO ME AND THEN TAKE IT UP.
BUT THAT'S NOT HOW THIS READS.
IT BASICALLY SAYS IT'S OKAY FOR ANY CAT TO BE
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ANYWHERE IT WANTS TO BE.WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? IT SAYS THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO FERAL NOR OWN CATS.
SO TRESPASSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
YEAH, YOU'RE NOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THAT CAT'S ANY PLACE ELSE, BUT WOULD IT QUOTE UNQUOTE IT'S HOME? I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID IT DOESN'T APPLY.
IT'S NOT A RUNNING AT LARGE, IT'S NOT WHATEVER.
IF YOU'RE CALLING IT A NUISANCE, IT'S, IT'S NONE OF THOSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY TRESPASSING BECAUSE THIS SECTION DOESN'T APPLY TO CATS.
SO SOMEHOW WE'VE HAD FERAL COLON, THIS IS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FERAL COLONIES ON WEST LAKESIDE AND BLUEBONNET.
AND THEY'RE, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE THE CATS IN THEIR YARD AND THEY'RE CALLING THE SHELTER.
AND I MEAN SHELTERS SOMETIMES DOES, IS SEND OFFICER OUT THERE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT NOT HARMING THE CATS AND THIS AND THAT.
UM, THEY TALK TO THE COLONY CARE PROVIDER TOO.
I MEAN THIS IS JUST KIND OF, YOU'RE SAYING THE ANSWER IS EDUCATION.
UM, I I'M NOT QUITE GETTING A CLEAR INTENT.
LIKE I, I HEAR CERTAINLY FROM FROM HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE INTENT OF, AT LEAST FROM HIM THAT IF IT'S, IF IT'S A NUISANCE COMMON SENSE, WHATEVER YOU WANNA USE, AND WE CAN CLARIFY THAT, THAT'D BE PICKED UP.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THE THREE OF YOU THAT MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A CONSENSUS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA PICK UP EVERY NUISANCE CAT.
THE THE, BUT IT IS, IT IS A VIABLE OPTION IF IT'S EXTREME.
WELL, I, I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL SOMEBODY THEY CAN'T PICK IT UP.
BUT I MEAN THEN IF YOU FIND IT'S GOT AN OWNER OR WHATEVER, YOU DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE CHIP, YOU FIND OUT WHAT IF THIS ONE THE RED LINES, WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
WE MIGHT CLARIFY THAT POINT BECAUSE STAFF INTERNALLY HAS ASKED ME FOR MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS LANGUAGE, NOT THIS RED LINE, BUT THE PREVIOUS ONE WHERE IT SAYS YOU DOESN'T APPLY TO COMMUNITY CATS.
AND HONESTLY, I LOOKED AT THAT, I SCRATCHED MY HEAD AND I'M LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE INTENT FROM THAT IS.
SO THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE SECTIONS THAT WE CLARIFY THAT ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T APPLY, BUT THERE'S LIKE A NUISANCE, EXTREME NUISANCE EXCEPTION AT SOMEHOW THERE.
OKAY, JUST SENSIBLY JUST HAVE AN INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT.
YOU DON'T WANT THEIR INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT SCRATCHING IN THE NEIGHBOR'S GARDEN LIKE HE SAID.
AND PEOPLE ARE JUST ADVERSARIAL ABOUT THAT SOMETIMES.
SO THAT'S SOME OF THE CALLS YOU GUYS GET, SOMETIMES THE UM, EAR TIPPED CATS.
I MEAN WE HAD SOMEBODY COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, YEAH, I TRAPPED THAT EAR TIPPED CAT THAT I GAVE TO THE SHELTER, I'M TOLD WAS A NUISANCE KEPT COMING IN MY DOG DOOR AND HAVING PROBLEMS WITH MY DOGS.
I TRAPPED IT, I ABANDONED IT, ABANDONED IT IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO I MEAN, ALL KINDS OF THINGS GO ON.
AND THE CITY KNOWS THE CITY OF THE SHELTER.
I MEAN, THEY DO A LOT OF HARD WORK TALKING TO PEOPLE AND IT'S JUST SOME JUDGMENT CALLS AND TALKING TO PEOPLE.
BUT YEAH, IF IT'S A FERAL CAT, IF IT'S A, THERE'S A COLONY OF 'EM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
IF IT'S A SINGLE FERAL CAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
BUT THEY'LL, THE CITY AND THE SHELTER WILL FIGURE IT OUT IF IT'S GOT ANOTHER HOME OR THEY FIND OUT THE ROOT WHERE THAT CAT IS OR LOST, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'RE CERTAINLY, I MEAN, IT'S A PROBLEM.
WE GOT A LOT OF CATS OUT THERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH NICE CARS DON'T WANT KITTY PRINTS ON THEIR WINDSHIELDS.
I THINK THAT THIS SECTION'S NOT GOING
BUT, BUT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A WAY AROUND IT UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME PARTICULAR WORDS.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE WAS THEY DIDN'T WANNA PICK UP ANY CAT.
THAT'S JUST IT, LYNETTE, WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH A DEFINITION.
I, EVERYBODY, Y'ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION AND YOUR EXPRESSION OF CONCERN.
BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, WE'RE AT A LOSS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH AS OUR BEST SOLUTION.
AND UNLESS WHOEVER OBJECTS TO IT DOESN'T GIVE US A BETTER SOLUTION, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR, TO PUT, PUT THIS GUIDANCE TOGETHER AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A RIGHT TO OBJECT TO WHATEVER.
IT'S A BEAUTY PART OF OUR, OUR COUNTRY.
BUT WE CAME UP WITH THIS NOT TO BE ADVERSARY CERTAINLY, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
AND IF NOBODY ELSE IS GIVING US A BETTER DEFINITION, I, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE A REASON TO DELAY EVERYTHING.
BUT LET'S FIND A SOLUTION FOR IT.
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WE MOVING ON TO WHAT THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHAT'S LET'S PUT FORWARD.SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THIS? UH, YOU'RE TAKING, YOU'RE SENDING THIS, I WAS GONNA SEND THIS TO THE, TO HER WHEN I GET HER EMAIL.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FEEDBACK FROM EITHER THE ANIMAL, FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICERS THAT FEEL THAT THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE THIS SO THAT WE GET THEIR OPINION ON HOW, IF THEY THINK THAT THIS IS EVEN POSSIBLE OR YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DO THIS HANDS-ON.
SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR FROM THEM OR HEAR, OH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT AGAIN, WE'VE HAD THAT CHANCE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, I MEAN I THINK WE HAVE AT THE OTHER MEETING I WOULD AGREE WITH, WITH AMY, WE, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN BRINGING EDITS AND WE'VE BRING, WE'VE BROUGHT THEM BACK, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT YOU GUYS WEREN'T DONE WITH YOUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE EDITS.
SO WE HAVE GIVEN FEEDBACK, BUT AS FAR AS YOUR FINAL, WHAT YOU WANNA FINALLY SUGGEST, WE, I I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'VE HAD THAT, THAT CHANCE TO, TO RESPOND TO THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IF YOU GUYS ARE WANTING TO TAKE THIS FURTHER WITHOUT THE STAFF BEING ON THE SAME PAGE, I MEAN YOU'RE ABLE TO, WELL EDIT HOW, HOW, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, HOW DO WE, YOU'RE GONNA GO TO STAFF AND ASK FOR THEIR OPINION ON THIS AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION ONCE THE LAST TIME.
YOU KNOW, THERE WERE GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL EDITS.
WE GOT THOSE EDITS TWO DAYS AGO BEFORE THIS MEETING.
SO I THINK FOR STAFF TO GIVE FEEDBACK, WE WOULD NEED THE FINAL EDITS.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK THEY'RE FINAL EDITS, THEN WE GET YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN THERE'S MORE EDITS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE ITERATIVE.
CAN I GO BACK TO MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE, THIS IS, BUT I AM COMPLETELY OPEN.
'CAUSE I SEE HOW THE WORD MAY BE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT VERY EASY TO, TO ANYONE TO ENFORCE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THE STAFF WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS IN THE FIELD AND GETTING YELLED AT BY PEOPLE.
BUT YET, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR TO THEM.
SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD EITHER HAVE SOME TYPE OF WORKING GROUP WHERE YOU HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS AN A POA REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SHELTER, UM, EITHER YOU OR THEM AND THEN US AND HAVE A WORKING GROUP WHERE WE CAN SIT AND TALK THROUGH WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, DO, DO THEY SUGGEST AND HOW WOULD THEY, HOW WOULD OTHER PEOPLE WORD THIS SO THAT WE CAN COME TO A CONCLUSION THAT IT'S OKAY TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR ROAMING CAT, BUT WE ALSO WANNA PROTECT FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR CATS THAT MAY HAVE GOTTEN LOST AND WE WOULD LIKE TO REUNITE THEM.
SO WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A WORKING GROUP ASIDE CONVERSATION ESSENTIALLY? YES.
WE'RE JUST GONNA BE LIMITED ON HOW MANY OF US CAN ATTEND CERTAIN.
SO YOU'RE SAYING TO HOLD UP ON FORWARDING THIS UNTIL, I MEAN I THINK, I THINK IT'S FINE IF WE CAN, WE CAN, WHY DO WE WANT HER TO WORK ON IT IF WE'RE GONNA GET REVISIONS? WELL, IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY'RE LIKE, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY CONFLICTING.
THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW BEFORE WE GET TO THIS MEETING AND GO, OH, WELL, WELL SHE'S ALREADY SAYING THAT THE OPINION SEEMS TO BE CIRCULATING, THAT THIS IS OPENING US JUST TOO MUCH AMBIGUITY IN HERE.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S THE RIGHT, I THINK I'VE CERTAINLY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN PHRASES IN HERE.
UM, SOME OF THE ONES, LIKE THE ONE I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE, IT SAYS NOT APPLY TO FERAL CATS.
WELL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES IT MEAN YOU CAN'T PICK THEM UP? AND, AND SO I'VE HAD QUESTIONS LIKE THAT AND THEY'VE ASKED ME FOR INTERPRETATIONS.
I'VE ACTUALLY HAD MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT, HOW DOES IT INTERPRET? SO THERE'S ENOUGH QUESTIONS FROM ENOUGH DIFFERENT PARTIES WHO ARE UNAFFILIATED THAT ARE ASKING ABOUT KIND OF HOW THIS, SO LIKE I SAID, I, I CAME HERE TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE INTENT IS.
I CERTAINLY AM HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF I THINK WHAT, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM SO WE CAN KIND OF MOVE FORWARD.
NOW THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS ON HOW YOU WANNA DO THAT.
WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MEETING JUST THE SAME AS THIS ONE AND JUST INVITE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OUR, YOU KNOW, ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
I KNOW THAT THEIR HOURS ARE SET, SO WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND IT WOULD TAKE SOME COORDINATION.
BUT WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF JEFF WANTS TO.
AND WHEN SHE SAYS SHE'S BEEN GETTING QUESTIONS, SHE'S BEEN GETTING QUESTIONS OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WITH THE WORD COMMUNITY IN THERE.
SO THERE'S ALREADY AMBIGUITY RIGHT? IN THE WAY IT WAS.
SO AMBIGUITY IN THE WAY IT IS NOW AND THEY JUST WANNA PUT THE AMBIGUITY TO BED WITH THIS UPDATE.
SO WE'LL TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO AGAIN, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE DO NOT FORWARD THIS THEN UNTIL I CAN FORWARD IT TO HER.
HOW, HOW, I MEAN I'M FINE WITH THAT.
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THE REVISIONS COMING UP WITH ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? AND CERTAINLY IF WE FORWARD ONTO TO THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THE DANGER OF GETTING, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, GETTING TO KIND OF, UM, MARRIED INTO THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC WORDING.RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO HEAR CONCEPTS LIKE WHAT IS YOUR VISION, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT OF HOW THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU AND KIND OF THE INTENT.
AND THEN LET STAFF COME BACK AND DO THAT WORK FOR YOU AND COME BACK AND TRY TO PUT MEMORIALIZE WHAT THE INTENT AND WHAT THOSE CONCEPTS ARE INTO SOME ORDINANCES THAT YOU CAN SEE.
AND WE CAN KIND OF WORK INTERNALLY, LET US DO THAT WORK AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE POLISHED WITH SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND EXPLANATIONS.
SO I AGAIN, FORWARDING IT ON MAKES SENSE.
IN THE MEANTIME WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE A WORKING GROUP OR SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE SEE THE POLISHED VERSION OF IT, WOULD YOU, THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU COME UP WITH, RIGHT? YEAH.
WAIT FOR THE QUESTIONS THEY COME UP WITH.
LET THEM NO WAIT, LET THEM DO THEIR POLISHING.
THEN ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS ALONG WITH PERHAPS STAFF'S QUESTIONS IN A WORKING FORUM OR SOMETHING.
WE CAN KIND OF TAKE ANY COMMENTS.
BUT LIKE I SAID, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE HELPFUL FOR, FOR STAFF TO KIND OF HELP MOVE THESE FORWARD, UM, ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE MORE KIND OF CONCEPTUAL AND MORE INTENT.
AND THEN LET US KIND OF COME BACK AND, AND WORDSMITH, AND IT'S NOT JUST MY OFFICE WHO DOES THAT.
WE PASS THAT TO THE MANAGERS TO PD TO EVERYONE ELSE WHO KIND OF TWEAKS IT LIKE, HEY, THIS, WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE THAT THEY HAVEN'T DEALT WITH BEFORE AND WE THINK THE WORDING SHOULD BE LIKE THIS.
AND SO LET US COME BACK AND LIKE LET US KNOW AGAIN, THE THE INTENT AND THE CONCEPTS, BUT LET US KIND OF DO THAT WORK ON THE WORDING FOR YOU.
I THINK THAT WOULD AND AND, AND IF YOU, AND IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S, OH MY GOODNESS.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANTED AT ALL.
THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT IT'S FOR.
BUT AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL DRAFTING, WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO TAKE THAT ON FOR YOU.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS I CAME BACK ON THE COMMITTEE WAS I, I WANNA SEE THINGS MOVE FORWARD.
I'M HYPERSENSITIVE TO THAT 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S JUST A, A CRUX OF ME BEING HERE IS I WANTED TO SEE THIS ALL MOVE FORWARD.
SO I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN I SEE THINGS BEING PUT OFF, BUT AT LEAST IF YOU'RE GONNA WORK ON IT, DO YOUR POLISHING AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME FINAL TWEAKS IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF QUESTIONS.
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
BUT TO NOT PUT PUSH IT FORWARD TO YOU YET, I THINK WOULD BE ADDING TIME TO THE PROCESS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO.
I CAN MAIL IT, THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND I CAN'T, I WOULD JUST CAUTION THAT I DON'T WANNA, UM, THAT COLLABORATIVE PROCESS I TALKED TO, IT'S ALSO NOT A, AN OVERNIGHT THING.
THAT, THAT, SO LIKE, I DON'T WANNA SAY LIKE I'LL GET IT TO YOU IN TWO WEEKS OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MM-HMM
WE CAN GIVE YOU, SEND YOU OUR, THE STAFF LIAISON CAN SEND YOU UPDATES OF, HEY, THIS IS OUR TENTATIVE TIMELINE AND SO FORTH.
BUT I DON'T WANNA LIKE PROMISE LIKE, HEY, ON X DATE FINALIZED WOULDN'T EXPECT THAT FROM YOU.
I I'D RATHER BE, YOU KNOW, THE SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE BUT MOVING FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO OVERTHINKING AND GOING CRAZY ON OUR END, YOU GET PAID TO DO WHAT YOU DO AND DO IT WELL.
SO, SO WHAT THE HECK? LET'S, LET'S HAVE YOU HAVE A CRACK AT IT.
POLISH IT UP AND THEN IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF STAFF STILL HAS QUESTIONS AFTER YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
AND I, AND I DO HEAR A LOT OF, UM, AS, AS THE CHIEF POINTED OUT, LIKE THESE ARE, THESE ARE LEGAL REGULATIONS, THESE ARE LEGAL LAWS, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WILL USE TO CONVERT AND TURN THEM INTO, UM, DOCUMENTS AND OFFICIAL THINGS.
IT MIGHT BE, IF, IF THERE'S KIND OF LIKE, I HEAR A LOT OF LIKE THE DEFINITION OF LIKE FRIENDLY CATS AND FRIENDLY INDOOR OUTDOOR CATS.
I DUNNO IF THAT LANGUAGE NECESSARILY FITS WITHIN AN ORDINANCE, BUT IF THEY WANT TO CONSIDER DRAFTING, IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO LIKE DRAFT LIKE A STATEMENT OF INTENT, SOMETHING LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF STATEMENT INTENT AN OPERATIONS CONCEPT.
AND THAT'S NOT SO MUCH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WAS MISSING FROM THE LAST.
AND SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN HAVE YOU DRAFT AND KIND OF PUT ALL OF THE LANGUAGE AND ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS IN THERE AND LIKE, WHAT IS THE BACKGROUND AND WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM AND IS WHAT IS YOUR VISION FOR IT? THAT IS LIKE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT THAT WITH REGULATIONS.
WE TEND TO HAVE MORE, SHALL I SAY SPARTAN LANGUAGE? MM-HMM
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THOSE.
SO SOME OF THIS MAY BE TRIMMED A LITTLE NOT BECAUSE WE WANNA SACRIFICE INTENT AT ALL.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE THAT IS THE NATURE OF HOW YOU WRITE OR, UH, REGULATIONS AND SO FORTH.
NO, I I, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN THE WORST OF PLACES, BUT WE'RE NOT WHERE I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD'VE BEEN.
BUT FOR JUST REASONS AND JUST CONCERNS AND, AND SO I THINK IF WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE YOU TAKE, DO YOUR THING, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
WHATEVER TIMEFRAMES, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A TWO WEEK THING, YOU KNOW? AND DRE HICKS IS GONNA TOTALLY HELP ME WITH THIS
UM, SO THIS WHOLE THING, I MEAN ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS PARAGRAPH A ANY ANIMAL OTHER THAN A, ANY ANIMAL FOUND RUNNING AT LARGE,
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NOT DIRECTLY UNDER THE PHYSICAL CONTROL WILL BE IMPOUNDED.I MEAN, THAT'S WAY IT WAS BEFORE THE WORD COMMUNITY WAS PUT IN THERE.
SO YOU TAKE THE COMMUNITY BACK OUT.
AND I'M GOING TO, AS A SIDE NOTE, I WANT TO ADDRESS LYNETTE MM-HMM.
AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT EXPECTED OF YOU IN, IN SUDDENLY.
SO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU.
KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE IT, WE APPRECIATE ALL OF STAFF CERTAINLY.
BUT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT A LOT THROWN ON YOU ON YOU AND AMONG THIS, AMONGST OTHER THINGS AND YES, WE APPRECIATE IT.
SEE, SO I'M GONNA EMAIL, I'M NOT AS CRUSTY AS I SAID, I'M GONNA EMAIL THIS STUFF TO SEND IT TO LYNETTE.
IS IT JUST GONNA BE THE SAME ONE YOU'VE ALREADY SENT ME? 'CAUSE I HAVE THAT IT'S NOT OKAY.
I'M GONNA JUST PUT A COUPLE CHANGES THAT OKAY.
BASICALLY IT IS THOUGH, BASICALLY IT IS.
ANY CHANGES, ANY NOTES, ANY THOUGHTS, ANY WHAT COMES, CONCEPTS THAT YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF HELPS US GO INTO KIND OF WHAT YOUR VISION IS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE COMMUNITY CATS QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SO IT NEEDED CLARIFICATION ANYWAY.
WORKING GROUP TO MAYBE COME UP WITH A STATEMENT OR IF YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I'LL FIRST EMAIL THIS TO HER.
[5. Public comments]
AND WE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? MM-HMM?MONICA MILLIKEN, 9 3 4 PLANTATION.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS MADE A GREAT DEAL OF PROGRESS.
SORRY THAT YOU'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT.
THE BIGGEST THING THAT YOU'VE DONE IS YOU'VE REMOVED THE WORD COMMUNITY AND THAT'S THE WHOLE RUB, IS THAT ALL OF THE CATS WERE BEING THROWN INTO ONE BUCKET CALLED A COMMUNITY CAT.
SO BY GETTING THAT WORD OUT, BRINGING IN THE WORD FERAL AND THE WORD FRIENDLY, THAT IS A BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT.
I WANNA COMMENT THAT IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT FERAL CATS ARE NOT THE ONES THAT USUALLY WALK ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S BMW OR DIG IN THE FLOWERED FERAL CATS FOR THE MOST PART, STAY IN THE SHADOWS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE AROUND PEOPLE.
BY YOUR DEFINITION IT SAYS THEY'RE UNSOCIALIZED AND UNSUITABLE AS AN ADOPTABLE CAT.
SO THE CATS THAT ARE WALKING ON THE CARS AND DIGGING IN THE FLOWER BEDS ARE THE FRIENDLY CATS.
LIKE THE OUTSIDE INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT THAT I HAVE THAT BROUGHT A GREAT DEAL OF IRE FROM MY NEIGHBOR WHO CALLED THE CITY.
AND THE CITY MANAGER CALLED ME AND SAID, DO YOU HAVE AN OUTDOOR CAT? I SAID, I HAVE AN INDOOR OUTDOOR CAT THAT'S LEGAL IN LAKE CITY NOW.
I SAID, NO, NOBODY HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO REGISTER YET.
SO MY CAT IS NOT REGISTERED, BUT MY NEIGHBORS ARE NOT REAL HAPPY ABOUT IT.
BUT THE FERAL CATS AND THE FRIENDLY CATS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND SO I, I THINK IF WE CAN, I, I LAUGHED.
YOU SAID YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PICK UP A FERAL CAT
I'M THINKING I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU PICK UP A FERAL CAT.
SO THE OTHER THING I WANNA COMMENT ON, THIS IS WEIRD SOUND.
THE OTHER THING I WANNA COMMENT ON IS WE PICK THAT WORD MAY AND WE WANNA SAY IT NEEDS TO BE MORE CLEAR.
BUT IN FACT, OKAY, I LOST IT AGAIN.
BUT IN FACT THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS IN OUR, IN OUR POLICIES THAT ARE NOT CLEAR, ARE NOT SPECIFIC.
AND THE WORD THAT I WOULD BRING UP IS DISCRETIONARY.
BECAUSE AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A DANGEROUS DOG THAT KILLED ANOTHER DOG AND THE DOG WAS NOT DECLARED DANGEROUS BECAUSE THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE WAS DISCRETIONARY.
SO I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WORD DISCRETIONARY AND MAY.
SO I THINK WE CAN FIND SOME, SOME WAY TO AGREE ON WHAT MAY MEANS.
AND IF YOU READ, I DIDN'T ADD MAY.
SO, SO I THINK THE, THE THING, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ORDINANCE ABOUT THE TRESPASSING, YOU KNOW, IT TALKS ABOUT HOW WELL MAYBE THEY CAN RAISE THE FENCE.
I THINK THAT PART OF THAT ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN MORE FOR DOGS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT
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UP A FENCE THAT'S TALL ENOUGH FOR A CAT NOT TO SCALE.AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THAT, WITH THAT PROVISION THERE.
BUT IN MY CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, I SAID TO HIM THAT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALLY WANT FRIENDLY, FREE ROAMING CATS.
IN OTHER WORDS, I UNDERSTAND MY NEIGHBOR'S DISSATISFACTION BECAUSE THE CAT GOES OVER THERE, LOOKS IN THE WINDOW AND DRIVES HIS CAT CRAZY.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T LIKE FREE ROAMING CATS EITHER.
AND IF AND IF I HAD TO KEEP THAT CAT INSIDE, I WOULD KEEP THAT CAT INSIDE, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO NOW.
SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE MORE AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S EVEN MORE PROFOUND THAT THEY DON'T LIKE FREE ROAMING CATS BECAUSE THAT IS THE CAT THAT WALKS ON YOUR CAR AND DIGS IN YOUR FLOWERBED.
SO THE TNR ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN FOR FERAL CATS.
THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR ALL ALONG FOR FERAL CATS.
AND THEN WE GOT WRAPPED UP IN THAT WORD OF COMMUNITY CATS.
SO YOU'VE GOTTEN RID OF COMMUNITY CATS, YOU'VE NOW GOT IT DOWN TO FERAL AND FRIENDLY.
AND I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PULL THOSE WORDS TOGETHER AND FIND AN APP, AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE GONNA LIKE.
[6. Select next meeting date]
WE SELECT THE NEXT MEETING DATE.I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO SELECT IT, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IF STAYING ON OUR SCHEDULE WOULD MAKE IT THAT WORKS.