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[3. Discussion of Community Cat Program ordinance language including forward steps ]
FAVOR TO AYE.LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT UP ON THE BOARD.
CAN WE SCROLL IT DOWN TO THE RED, TO THE RED LINES, PLEASE? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO THINGS WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH.
FIRST OF ALL IS THE DEFINITIONS, AND THEN THE SECOND THING WILL BE ORDINANCES.
SO THIS ATTACHMENT IS, UM, THE DEFINITIONS A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE, UM, REDLINED THE DEFINITION OF A COMMUNITY CAT AND WE ADDED TO IT.
UM, WE SAID THE COMMUNITY CATS, UH, CAN BE FRIENDLY, SEMI FRIENDLY, PARTIALLY OR NOT SOCIALIZED TO PEOPLE.
AND THEN WE DIFFERENTIATED FERAL CATS VERSUS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY CATS AND OUTDOOR CATS.
WE TRIED TO PUT SOME, SOME WORDS TO THOSE.
SO THE FERAL CAT, AN ADULT CAT UNSOCIALIZED TO HUMANS WOULD BE UNFITTED UNFITTING AS A TRADITIONAL PET.
UM, THE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY CAT SOCIALIZED MORE SUITABLE AS A PET.
UM, YOU CAN BE HELD THOSE FOR A STRAY PERIOD AND OFFERED FOR ADOPTION.
THERE'S A FRIENDLY OUTDOOR COMMUNITY CAT WHO'S OWNED AND CARED FOR BY RESIDENTS OF THE MEDIA AREA WHERE THE CAT WAS PICKED UP.
DOCUMENTATION, AND THAT'S FINE.
PEOPLE CAN HAVE THEIR FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CATS.
UM, SO DOCUMENTATION OF THE, OF THE CARETAKER SHOULD BE ADDED.
SO THE ANIMAL'S NAME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT RECORD THAT THAT'S AN OWNED CAT AND THAT'S THEIR SOMEBODY'S OUTDOOR CAT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THAT, THAT'S COMMON.
UM, BUT WE'D LIKE TO TO NOTE THAT.
SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE CALLING ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR'S CAT OUTSIDE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A FRIENDLY OUTDOOR CAT AT THE ADDRESS ADJACENT OR IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IF IT'S THE SAME DESCRIPTION.
AND THEN WE NOTED THAT FERAL CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE.
ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR FROM THE PANEL? I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT WAS TO, TO HAVE DEFINITION TWO TERMS. AND THIS JUST SETS FORTH WHAT WE, WE FEEL THE DEFINITION SHOULD BE INSTEAD OF LEAVING IT UP TO INTERPRETATION FROM ANYBODY.
SO WE, WE LOOKED AT IT AS ALL CATS, BASICALLY OUR COMMUNITY CATS.
AND THEN UNDERNEATH THAT WE DEFINED THEM.
GOTTA GET, SO IF YOU'RE READING IT, COMMUNITY CAT IS A MEMBER OF THE DOMESTIC SPECIES, FEARLESS CAT AND CH MEAN CAT.
WE GOTTA, YOU GOTTA, PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, I CAN HEAR.
SO WHEN YOU READ THAT FIRST LINE MM-HMM.
IT STOPS AFTER F ROAMING CAT AND THEN STARTS AT THE RED LINE, WHICH IS A NEW SENTENCE.
YOU WANT A PERIOD THERE? YEAH.
YEAH, I WAS SPEAKING WITH SOME OF THE, UH, STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAD QUESTIONS ON WHO'S GONNA HAVE TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THESE.
AND, UM, BECAUSE LYNETTE WILL BE INTERIM IN A WHILE, I'LL LET HER KIND OF ASK THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE, WE'VE GATHERED FROM THE, ESPECIALLY THE ANIMAL PROTECTION OFFICERS WHO HAVE TO ENFORCE IT.
UM, IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON THE LITTLE GREEN BUTTON? ON THE, ON THE STEM? IT'S, YEAH, IT'S LIT UP.
MAYBE NEEDS TO COME CLOSER THEN.
MARCUS, AM I ON? CAN I HEAR YOU? CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? OKAY.
MARCUS, CAN YOU, SORRY, DON'T
THE GREEN BUTTON, THE LIGHT ON.
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YOU NEED A MINUTE HERE.HOW ABOUT THIS? WE GOOD? UM, SO WE HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS, UM, AND I GUESS WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE IF Y'ALL WANT ANSWERS OR, SURE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THE, ABOUT THE, THERE ARE THESE DEFINITIONS, THESE TERMS THAT HAVE BEEN LAID OUT, UM, THEY'RE TERMS THAT WEREN'T USED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE REVISION.
SO WE WERE, UM, WONDERING LIKE, HOW, WHERE OR HOW WILL THOSE TERMS BE USED? AND THEN WHO AND HOW ARE KAT, WHO'S DETERMINING AND HOW ARE THEY BEING DETERMINED TO BE IN THOSE CATEGORIES? SO I'M, GO AHEAD, KEEP YOU WANT ALL THE QUESTIONS AT ONCE? WELL, I MEAN, IF IT'S ON THIS PAGE AT LEAST, OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE.
UM, SO WE ALSO HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THERE WAS A TERM CREATED FOR FERAL COMMUNITY CAT WITH A DEFINITION AND THEN ALSO A DEFINITION.
UM, AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEFINITIONS.
UM, S AND THEN QUESTIONS AS FAR AS SOME OF THESE DEFINED TERMS HAD LIKE STEPS TO TAKE AFTERWARDS V VERSUS JUST A DEFINITION, BUT NOT ALL DID.
UM, AND THEN WHAT EXACTLY DOES DOCUMENTED MEAN? UM, AND HOW IS OWNERSHIP DETERMINED? THAT COULD BE PART OF IMPLEMENTATION.
UM, AS FAR AS HOW YOU GUYS WANNA DOCUMENT, WE DIDN'T WANNA TELL YOU HOW TO DOCUMENT A CARETAKER.
BECAUSE I MEAN, IN THE OTHER ORDINANCE IT WAS TO DOCUMENT WHAT THE FEEDERS, RIGHT.
SO I MEAN, IT WASN'T HOW YOU WERE GONNA DO IT.
YOU GUYS JUST PROPOSED TO DO IT.
SO WE WEREN'T GONNA TELL YOU HOW TO DOCUMENT, UM, THE CARETAKER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, WHAT YOU DO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA ENTER THE CAP IN THE SYSTEM BECAUSE SOME YOU'VE GOT IT OR YOU'VE SCANNED IT, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
SO IT NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE.
WOULD IT NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCES REGARDING OUTCOMES DIRECTED BY THE SHELTER? I KNOW THERE'S ORDINANCES THAT TALK ABOUT IMPOUNDMENT AND THERE'S ALSO WHAT YOU CAN DO ON RELEASING AN ANIMAL AS, SO WITH THAT, THOSE DEFINITIONS KIND OF BE INCORPORATED IN THOSE ORDINANCES, RIGHT? LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S TERMS WITH LIKE, THERE'S TERMS WITH STEPS TO STEPS AFTER TAKE, WHICH THE STEPS AREN'T USUALLY INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S MORE UPDATES YOU WANT IN SOME OTHER PARTS OF DEFINITIONS? WELL, SO FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, MM-HMM.
THIS IS NOT AN ORDINANCE HERE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN RIGHT, BUT IT'S DOCU, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITIONS THAT INCLUDE STEPS TO TAKE WHERE USUALLY IT'S JUST DEFINITIONS AND THEN THE STEPS, LIKE IF THERE, THE INSTRUCTIONS THEN WOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE VERSUS JUST THE DEFINITION.
SO I THINK THAT CONFUSED LIKE THE OFFICERS AS FAR AS HOW THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED.
WE'RE NOT EXPERTS ON WHERE IT GOES, WHAT GOES WHERE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING MOVE THE INSTRUCTIONS PART, LIKE THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE CARETAKER MOVE THAT TO AN ORDINANCE POTENTIALLY.
UM, BUT THERE WAS JUST ALSO A QUESTION IF THERE WAS SOME OF THEM HAVE INSTRUCTIONS, SOME DON'T.
SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS JUST QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE.
I GUESS I DIDN'T KNOW LIKE, HEY, LAKEISHA
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT COULD GO WHERE.
SO THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT DOESN'T BELONG THERE, WE NEEDS TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
JUST LET US KNOW WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
UM, SO ABOUT THE, OKAY, LOOK, JUST AT THE DEFINITION IN RED RIGHT NOW.
MM-HMM,
UH, THAT'S MORE OR LESS AN INSTRUCTION RATHER THAN A DEFINITION.
SO WE'LL TAKE IT OUTTA THE DEFINITIONS, BUT KEEP IT TO MOVE SOMEPLACE ELSE.
I THINK ALONG THOSE SAME LINES ON FRIENDLY COMMUNITY CAT, WHERE IT SAYS SHOULD BE HELD, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIRECTION, NOT A DEFINITION.
SO WE SHOULD ALTER THAT TO SAY SO CAN AND SUITABLE AS A TRADITIONAL PET PERIOD.
AND YOU LEAVE IT AT THAT YEAH.
BUT THAT'S AN INSTRUCTION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO JUST END IT AT TRADITIONAL PET AND, AND WE'LL MOVE THE, OKAY.
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DID, WAS THERE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THE, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE, UM, PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING THAT TO THAT IN THIS MEETING, BUT YEAH, WE NEED TO, THERE ARE DEFINITION, LIKE USUALLY A DEFINITION IS DEFINING THE TERMS THAT ARE USED IN THE ORDINANCE.SO THESE ARE, THESE TERMS THAT WERE CREATED ARE NOT USED IN YOUR ORDINANCE PROVISIONS.
SO WE WERE JUST UNCLEAR ABOUT THESE ARE BEING DEFINED, BUT FOR WHAT PURPOSE? OKAY.
WELL, REGARDING, WE'LL LOOK THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHERE THEY WOULD FIT IN THE ORDINANCE THEN? OKAY.
'CAUSE I THINK WE PROBABLY DO USE WORDS THAT AREN'T LIKE THE, UH, I BELIEVE YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT SECTION 1810 FOR DISPOSITION.
IT'S NOT PUTTING IN THERE, BUT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCES, IT HAS THE, UM, DIS DISPOSITION OF IMPOUNDED ANIMALS.
UM, YOU MAY ALSO WANNA LOOK AT SECTION 18 DASH EIGHT, 18 DASH NINE.
ALL OF THEM ARE ALSO PERTAINING ALL OF THOSE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THERE.
UM, AND IS THERE ANY ANSWER ON, WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION? I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE.
WHEN I WENT THROUGH AND LIKE MADE MY OWN, LIKE SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
LIST OF THE IMPORTANT ORDINANCES.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THE 18, LET ME SEE.
DISPOSITION OF IMPOUNDED ANIMALS.
I THINK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SHOULD BE HELD FOR STRAY HOLD PERIOD AND OFFER FOR ADOPTION, THAT ALL GOES INTO THAT SECTION.
SO YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT THAT SECTION.
I MEAN THE IMPOUNDMENT ONE IMPOUNDMENT AS WELL.
IMPOUNDMENT GENERALLY THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
SECTION 18 DASH EIGHT RUNNING AT LARGE WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AS WELL.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY USE COMMUNITY CAT AND SEVERAL AREAS OF THE ORDINANCE OF ALL OF THE, UH, CHAPTER 18 ORDINANCES THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY SEE, WANNA LOOK AT, SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND SO HOW TO UTILIZE, BASICALLY HOW WOULD YOU IMPLEMENT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ALL FOUR OF THESE DEFINITIONS WITHIN THOSE ORDINANCES? SO WE NEED TO TAKE THESE DEFINITIONS AND UPDATE THE ORDINANCE WITH WHERE THEY GO.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THESE DEFINITIONS, THEN THEY NEED TO BE IN OKAY.
AND I BELIEVE THIS SECTION AS FAR AS DEFINITIONS GO, WOULD ACTUALLY BE DEFINING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ALL FOUR OF THEM.
SO MAYBE GOING INTO THAT ON HOW THEY ARE DIFFERENTIATED.
WHICH WAS A QUESTION FOR, THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT OUR OFFICERS HAD, HOW THEY'RE DIFFERENTIATED, HOW WE DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN, YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF FERAL AND FRIENDLY.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE, UM, 'CAUSE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY CAT SOCIALIZE TO HUMANS AND SUITABLES TRADITIONAL PET.
THEN YOU HAVE FRIENDLY OUTDOOR COMMUNITY CAT WHO'S OWNED OR CARED FOR BY MORE OR ONE RESIDENTS IN THE MEDIA AREA.
WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THAT AND WHO WOULD DETERMINE THOSE DIFFERENCES? SAME THING, BUT FRIENDLY OUTDOOR COMMUNITY.
CAT WHO HAS A CARETAKER WHO IS OWNED AND CARED FOR? MM-HMM.
ALL OF THAT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF ONE HAS A CARETAKER.
ALL OF THAT SEEMS, IT LOOKS LIKE ONE MAY HAVE MULTIPLE.
HOW WOULD WE DECIDE IF IT'S MULTIPLE OR NOT? HOW WILL WE DETERMINE THAT? THE FRIENDLY OUTDOOR AND THEN ALSO AGAIN, WHO WOULD BE DETERMINING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN FERAL AND FRIENDLY? HOW WERE YOU DETERMINING WHO HAD, WHO HAD OWNERSHIP OF A CAT BEFORE THEY WOULD RECLAIM IT.
IF THEY DIDN'T RECLAIM IT, THEN WE WOULD PUT UP FOR ADOPTION BECAUSE WE HAD AN AT LARGE ORDINANCES THAT STATED THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE RUNNING AT LARGE.
SO WE HAD THEIR TRADITIONAL METHOD OF IMPOUNDMENT, BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE THE TRADITIONAL METHOD OF IMPO IT, BECAUSE CATS ARE ALLOWED TO BE AT LARGE.
WE HAVE NO REASON TO IMPOUND THEM, BUT THEN ADOPT THEM OUT.
YOU CAN TELL JASMINE HAS LOTS OF EXPERIENCE OF WRITING THIS STUFF.
THAT, THAT TO OF CLARITY, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND LOOKING AT, AT LARGES, ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW CATS TO BE AT LARGE OR NOT? AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEFINE THAT AND WHAT THE OUTCOME IS FOR THAT? BECAUSE BEING AT LARGE IS THE KEY, I FEEL LIKE AT THIS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW RESIDENTS TO HAVE OUTDOOR CATS, THEN WHY WOULD YOU IMPOUND THEM AND AND, AND ADOPT THEM OUT? WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND FOR IF NO ONE LIKE AN AT LARGE CAT THAT IS OWNED, BUT NO ONE WANTS TO CLAIM, I'LL SIGN UP TO TAKE CARE OF THAT CAT.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NOT OWNED? BECAUSE TECHNICALLY LIKE NO ONE WANTS TO SAY LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD CAT.
IT DOESN'T BELONG TO ANYBODY, BUT IT'S FED MAYBE BY THREE PEOPLE.
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SICK, IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S CAT.THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKEN CARE OF.
THOUGH TRADITIONALLY, THOSE CATS THAT ARE FED BY SEVERAL, THEY HAVE SEVERAL HUMANS WHO CARE FOR THEM AND THEN TAKE CARE OF THEM.
SO, OKAY, SO LET ME, BUT WHAT IF THEY GET SICK THEN TRADITIONAL WHO'S TAKING CARE OF THEM? TRADITIONALLY, PEOPLE WHO ARE FEEDING THEM WILL TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO DO THAT.
AND I, I CAN SAY FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT HAS HAPPENED, I HAVE A OUTDOOR FRIENDLY COMMUNITY CAT THAT IS BEING CARED FOR BY THREE RESIDENTS THAT I KNOW OF, PROBABLY MORE.
I NOTICED ONE TIME I WENT TO GO GET FLEA MEDICINE.
THERE WAS ALREADY FLEA MEDICINE ON HIM.
AND IT WAS BECAUSE A NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET NOTICED FLEAS AS WELL AND PUT FLEA MEDICINE ON HIM.
SO TRADITIONALLY, THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE CATS ARE TAKING CARE OF THEM.
THEY JUST DON'T CLAIM OWNERSHIP OF THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE FREE ROAMING CATS.
SO THAT IS MY PROFESSIONALISM IN THAT.
THAT WAS MY, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE POLICIES AND, AND PROTOCOLS THAT WERE LAID OUT, UM, TO BE UTILIZED WITHIN THE UPDATED ORDINANCES, UM, INCLUDED NEXT STEPS FOR CATS THAT ARE SICK.
SO WE WEREN'T IMPOUNDING, UM, HEALTHY, THRIVING ANIMALS, IT, BUT THOSE ANIMALS THAT WERE IN NEED OF CARE, INJURED, ILL, ET CETERA, IN OTHER WAYS UN THRIVING.
THOSE WERE PROTECTED BY THE SHELTER.
SO I THINK THAT IS THEIR SAFETY NET AS WELL.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION.
THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT CARING FOR A CAT.
UM, YOU MAY BECAUSE YOU'RE AN ANIMAL LOVER, SO YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS, WHATEVER, ARE TAKING CARE OF THESE.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE, THEY, THEY JUST MOVE OFF AND LEAVE 'EM.
EVERYBODY'S GOING, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THESE CATS? WE'LL FEED 'EM WHILE THEY'RE HERE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND OTHER PLACES FOR 'EM.
SO NOT, I UNDERSTAND NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD CAT OR WHATEVER IS ACTUALLY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S CARED FOR.
AND I CAN SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE A FEELING OF WANTING TO ENSURE THAT EVERY CAT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
WHAT I WOULD LOOK AT MAYBE SOPHIA, WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING ON THAT? BECAUSE YOU LOOKED AT PLACES ALL IN THE AREA THAT HAS THE SAME CONCERNS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL IT'S YOUR TURN.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE OKAY.
WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD HELP WITH THIS CONVERSATION SO THAT, 'CAUSE YOU WERE ASKING IT.
SO YOU'RE HAVING AN EXPERT HERE THAT'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT FOR YOU.
SHE CAN ANSWER IT WHEN IT'S, IT'S HER.
UM, SO, SO FAR I UNDERSTOOD NO INSTRUCTIONS IN THE DEFINITIONS.
THEY NEED TO GO IN THE ORDINANCE PART.
IS THAT RIGHT? YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN THERE AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA I IMPLEMENT THOSE ORDINANCE.
AND EVERYWHERE IN THE ORDINANCE, I NEED TO FIND WHERE IT SAYS COMMUNITY CAT AND DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
WHAT, WHAT DEFINITIONS OF HOW WE'RE GONNA WORK THAT OUT.
AND THEN, AND AGAIN, I WOULD LOOK AT, YEAH, SO IT LIKE NEXT 18 DASH 36 SAYS TRAP NEUTER, RETURN OF COMMUNITY CATS.
IS THAT FOR ALL COMMUNITY CATS? HOW YOU HAVE LISTED FERAL AND FRIENDLY? RIGHT? WELL THOSE ARE, WE HAVE THAT WE'LL BE COMING TO THAT IN THE ORDINANCE SECTION.
UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO, LIKE SHE SAYS IN 1810, I'M JUST GONNA DO A GENERAL SEARCH IN SECTION 18 FOR THE WORD EIGHT 10.
I WOULD DO MORE THAN JUST THE GENERAL SEARCH OF IT.
I WOULD LOOK INTO, SEE THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL ORDINANCES THAT APPARENTLY THAT COMMUNITY CAT IS NOT IMPLEMENTED INTO.
SO SHOULD SAYS THE DISPOSITION.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A COMMUNITY CAT WORD IN THERE.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THAT SECTION AS WELL.
SO THERE MAY BE SECTIONS THAT DO NOT HAVE THE WORD COMMUNITY CAT THAT STILL NEED TO BE LOOKED AT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING THINGS LIKE HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE OUTCOMES FROM THE SHELTER.
SO YOU'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO WAY IT WAS EXCEPT I DON'T WANNA EXCLUDE PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR CAT.
THAT'S THE TRICKY PART THAT
IS LETTING PEOPLE HAVE OUTDOOR CATS AND NOT FIND THEM FOR HAVING A ROAMING CAT.
I WOULD ALSO LOOK AT TOO OF FINDING THEM FOR OWNERSHIP AS WELL.
'CAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE YOU TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING RABIES REQUIRE YOU FOR BEING RESPONSIBLE.
IF YOU DON'T, YOU ARE FEES, BUT THEN YOU'RE HOLDING THOSE SAME STIPULATIONS TO SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF THAT CAT.
AND YOU ARE GONNA BE LIMITING THEM ON FEELING AS IF THEY CAN COME
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AND RECLAIM THAT CAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED OF HITTING WITH THOSE TYPES OF FEES.SO THEY MAY NOT EVER COME AND GET THEM.
WE CHARGE 'EM FEES WHEN THEY COME PICK UP THEIR ANIMALS WAY.
NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ALWAYS DO THAT.
SO IT'S YOUR JUDGMENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL IS TO ELIMINATE THAT, RIGHT? SO THAT WAY PEOPLE WILL COME AND GET THEM SO THAT WAY THEY CAN GO BACK HOME.
PEOPLE PAY MONEY WHEN THEY COME AND PICK UP.
THERE IS AN ORDINANCE IN THERE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF THE DISPOSITION ORDINANCES THAT HAS IT IN THERE.
IT GIVES YOU BUT THAT IS LATITUDE.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE OWNERSHIP, THOSE ORDINANCES APPLY TO SOMEONE WHO IS AN OWNER.
THE GOAL WOULD BE FOR A COMMUNITY CAT IS NOT TO THAT.
SO THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO COME CLAIM THIS CAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, DIDN'T YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY AT DENETTE? YES.
DO YOU WANNA TELL 'EM ABOUT THAT? I SPOKE TO SOMEONE RECENTLY AT A LOCAL BUSINESS WHO HAS, UH, A FEW CATS, UM, THAT THEY'RE CARING FOR AT THE BUSINESS.
UM, THEY CALLED TO CHECK IN BECAUSE THEY RECENTLY LOCATED A MICROCHIP, BUT THEY'VE BEEN CARING FOR THE CAT FOR A FEW YEARS.
UM, THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING FOR THE CAT.
UM, THE CAT WAS OUT OUTCOME A FEW YEARS AGO AS, UM, BEING RELEASED TO A COLONY.
UM, AND I GUESS FOUND HIS WAY TO THEIR BUSINESS INSTEAD.
UM, SO HE DIDN'T HAVE AN OWNER LOOKING FOR HIM AS FAR AS WE WERE AWARE.
BUT YOU TRACED THE CHIP, WHICH IS GREAT.
THEY CALLED US BECAUSE WE WERE LISTED.
UM, AT THAT POINT WE DID, I SPOKE WITH HER ABOUT THE OPTIONS FOR THAT CAT.
SHE GUSHED OVER HIM, UM, ALONG WITH THE OTHER CATS THAT ARE ON SITE.
UM, AND I OFFERED MULTIPLE TIMES TO TAKE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION TO LINK THEM TO THE CAT.
UH, SO THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO PICK UP THE CAT, THEY COULD BE IDENTIFIED AS THE OWNER AND IT GO BACK TO THEM AND THEY, THEY REFUSED.
IT, IT VISITS WHERE THEY WORK, IT LIVES WHERE THEY WORK.
THEY'VE HAD THE CAT SPAYED AND NEUTERED.
IF THEY NEED MEDICAL CARE, THEY CARE FOR THEM.
WE HAD THE CAT SPAYED AND NEUTERED.
UM, MULTIPLE STAFF MEMBERS CARE FOR IT.
BUT THEY WILL NOT CLAIM OWNERSHIP BECAUSE IT IS NOT THEIR CAT, BUT THEY ARE CARING FOR IT, INCLUDING MEDICAL CARE.
SO I, I THINK THAT, OKAY, SO THERE'S AN ORDINANCE HERE THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER THAT SAYS IF YOU FEED A CAT MORE THAN THREE DAYS, IT'S YOUR CAT.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT LEAVE CITY CAN THROW THAT DOWN, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
SO THERE'S AN ORDINANCE AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GONNA MODIFY NEXT LATER IN THE ORDINANCES THAT SAYS IF YOU FEED A CAT LIKE THREE DAYS, IT'S CALLED YOUR CAT.
SO THEY CAN SAY IT'S NOT THEIR CAT, BUT THEN THERE'S THIS CITY ORDINANCE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH IT, BUT I CAN'T FORCE HER TO PROVIDE HER CONTACT INFORMATION TO LINK IT TO THE CAT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST KIND OF LINKING BACK INTO THAT CONCERN THAT STAFF HAVE, ESPECIALLY THE OFFICERS WHO DEAL WITH THESE, YOU KNOW, CAT CAREGIVERS ON A REGULAR BASIS, THAT THEY CARE DEEPLY FOR THE CATS, BUT THEY DON'T CONSIDER THEM THEIR CATS.
SO THAT, THAT HURDLE OF DOCUMENTING OWNERSHIP IS WHERE WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT HURDLE.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE WHEN WE GO THROUGH IT ABOUT IF YOU FEED A CAT MORE THAN THREE DAYS, WHICH I'D LIKE TO CHANGE IT TO LONGER THAN THAT, IT'S YOUR CAT.
HOW DOES THE SHELTER DEAL WITH THAT? THAT'D BE A GOOD DISCUSSION WHEN WE GET TO THAT PART.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEAL WITH IT CURRENTLY.
AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO, TO LONGER THAN THREE DAYS OR MAYBE I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S EVEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE CAN DISCUSS WHY IT'S EVEN THERE.
UH, THAT WOULD BE BEFORE MY TIME.
I KNOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
IF YEAH, IF YOU COULD UNFREEZE.
UM, SO YEAH, WE CAN TAKE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO OWNS IT AND HOW WE'RE MAYBE WE THAT PART OF THAT ORDINANCE.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHERE YOU GUYS COULD DECIDE LIKE, YEAH, IT'S YOURS.
AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE YOU GUYS JUST, BUT ALSO IT, NO MATTER HOW MANY DAYS, IF IT'S ONE DAY OR 20 DAYS, WE CAN'T FORCE SOMEBODY TO GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO LINK THAT CAT TO THEM.
SO YOU GOT AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU TELL ME YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
WE CAN'T FORCE THEM TO GIVE THEM THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION.
SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT ORDINANCE.
SO MAYBE LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY IT'S THERE.
AND THAT CAN BE REMOVED, BUT THAT STILL GOES BACK TO I TO THE DUNNO.
DO YOU ANYBODY KNOW? I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW ARE WE MOVING FORWARD HERE TODAY? YES.
WELL, HE'S FIXING IT CALLS FIXING.
DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE WITH THE DEFINITIONS?
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YEAH, WE DO WANNA CONTINUE WITH THE DEFINITIONS.AND I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I HAD THE ACTIONS.
SO, SO, SO THOSE LAST, DID WE EVER ANSWER ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS? I BELIEVE YOU HAD ONE THAT DETERMINATION, THIS ONE WE'RE STRIKING THESE TWO MM-HMM.
OH, IT'LL BE UP TO OUR POLICY THEN.
ON HOW CATS ARE DETERMINED TO BE IN THOSE CATEGORIES.
SO I ACTUALLY, SO YEAH, YOU HAD, YOU HAVE EXISTING POLICY THAT DETERMINES THAT.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN EXISTING POLICY THAT DETERMINES BETWEEN FERAL AND FRIENDLY.
BUT SO THEY'RE ABLE TO BY, BY DEF DEFINE BY DEFINING IT.
WOULDN'T THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M, I'M SORRY, PATTY, WERE YOU ABOUT TO SAY GO AHEAD.
I'M JUST SAYING BY DEFINING A FERAL VERSUS A FRIENDLY, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT FURTHER DEFINITION AS TO WHAT TO DO ONCE SOMEBODY MAKES THAT DETERMINATION.
MY CONCERN WOULD BE HOW WILL WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ON, ON TO HELP US GUIDE THE PROTOCOLS FOR IT.
BECAUSE, UM, CURRENTLY I'M AT A, I MAY PERSONALLY OR, AND I THINK LYNETTE AND THE OFFICERS ARE AT A LOSS ON HOW INTERNALLY WILL WE, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE DEFINITIONS.
BUT IS THAT ORDINANCE DRIVEN OR IS THAT, AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS WRONG COMMON SENSE DRIVEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WOULD NOT, THERE SOME, AND I DON'T MEAN TO INSULT ANYBODY, BUT I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE IN AN ORDINANCE OR IS IT JUST POLICY WITHIN THE SHELTER OR IT AFFECTS THE, THE ORDINANCE AFFECTS THE POLICY WITHIN THE SHELTER.
BECAUSE IF WE ARE HAVING TO DETERMINE THAT BASED ON OUR ORDINANCES, HOW DO WE WRITE THE POLICY IN ORDER TO DO SO? BECAUSE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
YEAH, I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, AN ORDINANCE MUST BE ENFORCEABLE.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN IS IF WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS, HOW WOULD IT BE ENFORCEABLE? OKAY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? FAIR ENOUGH.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? RIGHT? YES.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU DEFINE IT? COULD YOU COME UP WITH SOME, SOME DEFINITIONS? COULD YOU AND THE ACOS AND THERE, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOT GOOD EXISTING, UM, THERE, THE SCIENCE BASICALLY SAYS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE TOOK IT OUT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY STAFF FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, UM, WITH MAKING THOSE DETERMINATIONS WHEN THE SCIENCE DOESN'T AGREE WITH IT.
SO ALLY CAT ALLIES HAD SOME GUIDELINES.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU LIKE ALLY CAT, ALLY CAT ALLIES AND I WENT THROUGH AND THEY HAD SOME GUIDELINES FOR STRAY VERSUS FERAL AND I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY AND IT'S NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AND THEN THEY, UM, HAVE THE STRAY CAT FORM, WHICH I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD ADD TO.
UM, SO THE BEHAVIOR OF THE CAT WE ALL AGREE IS DIFFERENT OUTSIDE THAN WE PUT 'EM IN A KENNEL.
AND THEY'RE KENNEL AGGRESSIVE.
AND SO I REALLY LIKE THAT THEY ADD THINGS LIKE, HEY, HOW DO YOU KNOW OR KNOW ANYONE WHO'S BEEN FEEDING THIS CAT? I THINK YOU GUYS ALREADY ASKED THAT.
AND THEN HERE, IS THIS CAT FRIENDLY? AND IF SO, DOES HE SHOW AFFECTION AS HE RUB? AND PEOPLE WILL COMMENT.
HAVE YOU EVER BROUGHT THE CAT INTO YOUR HOME? YES.
DID YOU PROVIDE IT WITH A LITTER BOX? HAVE YOU SEEN THIS CAT INTERACT WITH OTHER ANIMALS? SO HAVE YOU SEEN THIS CAT INTERACT WITH, JUST TO GET A FEEL OF THE CAT BEFORE YOU BRING IT INTO THE SHELTER BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING, HEY, THAT'S GOOD INPUT.
THAT'LL HELP US, US AS A COMMUNITY, YOU GUYS AS A SHELTER.
UNDERSTAND MAYBE THE CAT'S BEHAVIOR OUTSIDE OF THE SHELTER.
WHICH CAN GIVE US A QUITE A BIT OF INPUT WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING THE CAT AND ITS NEEDS IN THE SHELTER.
I THINK, I THINK COMING BACK TO THE ENFORCEABLE SIDE OF IT.
SO IF THERE'S NO SCIENCE BEHIND IT, THEN HOW ARE YOU GONNA DETERMINE, UNLESS YOU JUST SAY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IS HOW WOULD THAT BE DETERMINED? THAT'S SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
I I THINK YOU GET ACOS, KENNEL TECHS, ADMINS, MAYBE SOMEBODY ON THE A COMMITTEE.
SOMEBODY FROM THE ADVISORY BOARD AND DO AND DO A WORKING GROUP ON THAT AND COME UP WITH, WITH A AND FIGURE OUT THOSE DEFINITIONS.
WE GET THAT THEY'RE GUN SHY FOR MAKING SOME OF THESE DECISIONS.
'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH HULLABALOO AROUND TOWN, BUT WE CAN'T LET THAT STOP US IF, IF, IF WE NEED TO MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
WHETHER IT'S INVOLVING US, WHETHER IT'S INVOLVING SOMEBODY FROM, YOU KNOW, ONE
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OF THE ACOS.BUT I DON'T WANT THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AS A WHOLE AND IF WE HAVE TO MASSAGE SOMETHING AND WORK SOMETHING TOGETHER, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
AND I THINK WE, WE HAVE DONE THOSE TYPES OF PROTOCOLS AND PROCEDURES BEFORE WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE TNR AND WE HAD TO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS ON WHAT WAS GOING ON FOR ADOPTION AND WHAT WOULD GO TO A WORKING CAP PROGRAM.
AND THAT WAS VERY MUCH OF THE SAME KIND OF ASPECT OF DECIDING FERAL VERSUS FRIENDLY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT, IT WAS, UM, IT, IT CREATED A LOT OF TURMOIL WITHIN THE SHELTER.
AND I THINK THE FACT THAT BASED ON THE STAFFS, UM, TRYING TO THINK OF THE BEST WORD, BUT I GUESS THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ALL OF THE STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENT IS THAT WE DO, WE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IT.
AND SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME DIRECTION ON THAT.
LIKE, I, I THINK THAT THE REASON BEING IS THAT THOSE FRIENDLIES, IT SHOULDN'T BE BASED ON FERAL VERSUS FRIENDLY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCEPT THAT WE ARE GOING INTO.
AND I DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH INTO IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE SOPHIA IS GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT LATER AND I'D LIKE TO GET TO THAT.
BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN KIND OF TALK TO HER ABOUT AND SEE HOW THEY'VE DONE IT IN OTHER PLACES OR HOW IT WORKED IN OTHER PLACES WHEN THEY'VE HAD HAD COMMITTEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO DO THE SAME THING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE A POLICY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE DETERMINING, BUT WE'RE BASING THIS POLICY ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
'CAUSE HONESTLY, I GOTTA SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THEN FOLLOWING THE SHELTER AND THEN THE CATS ARE TAKING IN, THEY'RE MOVING THE FRONT, THE CATS THE FRONT, LIKE THEY GET 'EM IN, THEY JUDGE THEMSELVES.
THEY'RE MOVING 'EM TO THE FRONT, LIKE THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
RIGHT NOW WITH THEIR OWN JUDGMENT.
DON'T, THEY ARE BORDER BORDERLINE BUT THEY ALSO ARE NOT, PARDON ME, THEY'RE ALSO, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT? SURE.
AND THERE ARE BORDERLINE CATS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCING, EXPERIENCING FEAR, AGGRESSION AND STRESS.
AND SO, LIKE LYNETTE AND I SAW THER AND DISCUSSED THAT CAT PUTTING A PAPER CALL AROUND THAT CAT.
SO IF SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, LETTING THAT CAT GO BACK OFF PAPER CALL.
WELL, AND JUST BECAUSE YOU MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT THIS CAT'S FRIENDLY AND YOU MOVE IT AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE.
YOU MOVE IT TO THE ADOPTABLE AND YOU'RE FINDING, WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE MADE A MISTAKE ON THIS ONE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY THERE.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT SOPHIA WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS ON HOW LONG WE SHOULD BE KEEPING THAT ANIMAL INTO THE SHELTER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THERE'S A REASON WHY 24 HOURS IS YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION AND YEAH.
SO WITHIN THAT LENGTH OF TIME, THOSE 24 HOURS AND YOU MAKE THOSE GUIDELINES AND YOU PUT IT UP FRONT BECAUSE YOU FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES AND YOU GET IT UP FRONT AND THEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS CAT IS NOT FRIENDLY.
CAN THAT BE DONE WITHIN 24 HOURS? 'CAUSE THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW LONG YOU SHOULD I'M JUST SAYING THAT ONCE YOU GET IT UP THERE AS AN ADOPTABLE CAT YES.
THINGS CHANGE AND THEY BECOME UNADOPTABLE.
IF YOU HAVE A CAT THAT YOU'RE SAYING WORKING CAT, NOT TNR THEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FRIENDLY CATS.
WHEN YOU'RE SAYING TO MOVE, TO MOVE IT TO ADOPTION AND THEN DETERMINE IT'S NOT SUITABLE AND MOVE IT BACK, YOU'RE SAYING MOVE IT BACK TO WORKING CAT NOT TO TNR.
DOES THAT ANSWER? YEAH, THAT HELPS ANSWER IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT THING.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE ONE IN A WORKING CAT IN THE WORKING CAT THING AND YOU KNOW THE TECHNICIANS IS, IT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE THAT YOU THINK, OH, THIS CAT'S REALLY FRIENDLY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET IT ADOPTED.
SO IT'S NOT A PERMANENT THING.
SO TO CLARIFY, MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE DEFINITIONS, YOU WOULD LIKE THE, THE DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH PROTOCOLS AND DETERMINING WHAT THOSE, THOSE TWO, THE BARREL VERSUS FRIENDLY IS I THINK A WORKING GROUP SHOULD I THINK A, A A A GROUP OF EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, SAY FIVE PEOPLE, THREE PEOPLE, WHATEVER, ACOS, SOME PEOPLE FROM THERE, MAYBE BETSY, SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF US.
LET'S, LET'S COME UP KNOWING THAT THESE ARE GUIDELINES.
BUT COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY CAN LIVE WITH.
AND, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE THE ACOS INPUT ON THAT.
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VERY IMPORTANT.IF THEY'RE NERVOUS ABOUT YEAH.
MAKING IT, I LET'S MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST ABOUT NERVOUSNESS.
I THINK THERE'S A KIND OF A STIPULATION.
I THINK THERE'S A MORAL AND ETHICAL.
LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS IT AND, AND LIKE I SAID, USE THESE AS GUIDELINES, NOT AS THIS IS SET IN STONE.
YOU'RE GONNA GET WRITTEN UP IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THIS OR OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
NO, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN THAT.
YOU KNOW, OR YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GOOD AT YOUR JOB.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T MAKE THE DETERMINATION.
I MEAN IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE, BUT LET'S AT LEAST, AT LEAST TRY.
AND THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT AND I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO TAKE IT WRONG ABOUT COMMON SENSE.
IT'S NOT, YOU MENTIONED SCIENCE BEHIND IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF NOT SCIENCE INVOLVED IN THIS.
SO, SO LET'S NOT EXPECT A CRYSTAL CLEAR, MUCH LIKE YOU SAID, SUE, THAT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE WRITTEN IN STONE EVERY TIME.
WHAT'S NEXT? UM, SHALL WE, THROUGH THE DEFINITIONS, ARE WE OKAY WITH SCROLL PAST? CAN YOU, THERE'S ONE ON GENTLEMAN, ONE ON THE BACK.
ONE MORE BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE DOWN.
CAN YOU SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT? SO YOU HAVE, GO AHEAD.
BACK UP WHERE IT'S THE, THE RED PARAGRAPH.
SO HERE YOU HAVE FERAL COMMUNITY CAT AND FRIENDLY COMMUNITY CAT.
THOSE TWO UNDERNEATH THAT ARE INDENTED TO THAT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO BESIDES THEY'RE BOTH THE ONE'S OUTDOOR ONE'S AN INDOOR OUTDOOR.
SO, BUT LIKE, ARE YOU LIKE SAID YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THESE DEFINITIONS SOMEWHERE.
IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU WOULD BE SEPARATING THOSE TWO? SEPARATING WHAT? TWO.
THE, THE WHY WOULD YOU DO SOMEBODY'S AN OUTDOOR CAT VERSUS YEAH.
WHY DO YOU NEED NEED TO SAY THAT? THAT POPS IN AND OUT.
WHY DO YOU NEED, WHY DO YOU CARE IF THE CAT IS INDOOR OUTDOOR VERSUS OUTDOOR? BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL THAT'S MY CAT AND HE GOT OUT 'CAUSE BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY GET OUT BECAUSE WE SAY THAT THEY CAN BE OUT, THEY CAN BE AT LARGE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING DEFINITIONS HERE.
I THINK WE'RE YOU'RE GETTING TOO, YOU'RE GETTING TOO BOGGED DOWN.
YOU DON'T NEED THOSE DEFINITIONS.
YOU JUST NEED FRIENDLY COMMUNITY CAT.
IF YOU PLAN ON SAYING YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING FRIENDLY VERSUS FERAL SO THAT YOU'RE TRYING, I MEAN I, I THINK THE OBJECT HERE IS, IS YOU'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE THIS IS A FRIENDLY CAT IT CAME IN FROM AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, BUT WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SO BECAUSE IT'S FRIENDLY, WE WANNA OFFER IT UP FOR ADOPTION.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE BOTTOM LINE.
SO YOU ONLY NEED TWO DEFINITIONS HERE.
YOU NEED FRIENDLY AND FERAL SOUNDS.
I, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING WITH THE, THERE'S ALSO JUST FERAL CAT.
SO YEAH, I NOTICED THAT ON THE NEXT PAGE.
I I DID NOTICE IT BEFORE BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, LIKE ON THE FINAL PAGE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU WANT SOME OF THIS DEFINITION ON, SO ARE WE SCROLLING DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER? YEAH.
SO NOW YOU'RE SCROLLING DOWN, DOWN TO LIKE THE NEXT RED PARAGRAPH.
SO THAT FERAL CAT STUFF, YOU MIGHT WANNA, WE JUST MOVE ALL OF THAT UNDER THE FERAL COMMUNITY CAT BECAUSE OKAY.
YOU'VE MOVED THAT DETAIL THERE.
SO NOW YOU JUST BASICALLY HAVE TWO TYPES OF COMMUNITY CATS.
YOU HAVE WHAT WE EVENTUALLY FIGURE OUT IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL NOT FRIENDLY
AND THEN, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE DECISION GOES.
RIGHT? WELL YOU HAVE A P YOU HAVE A PARAGRAPH ON COMMUNITY CAST AND THEN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH'S ON FERAL.
SO THE FERAL DEFINITION IN RED HERE NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT'S AT.
WE CAN, I MEAN WHAT'S THE DEFINITION AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THOUGH? WELL, I MEAN THEY BOTH JUST SEEM LIKE CATS THAT LIVE OUTSIDE THAT MM-HMM.
IT WOULD BE UNFITTING THAT WOULD APPLY TO JUST FERAL OR FERAL COMMUNITY.
WE EITHER NEED TO STRIKE THE ONE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OR JUST MOVE THIS FERAL CO SECOND PARAGRAPH TO BE CALLED THE FERAL COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THERE'S WAY TOO MANY WORDS IN THAT PARAGRAPH.
IN THE FERAL CAT PARAGRAPH, THE UM, SOCIALIZED OUTDOOR CAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU COULD JUST GET RID OF THAT PARAGRAPH.
'CAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE IT DEFINED UNDER FERAL COMMUNITY CAT.
THEY HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF SOCIALIZATIONS.
SO WHICH ONE ARE YOU SAYING TO STRIKE? SHE'S THIS, THIS ONE THAT'S UP RIGHT NOW.
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WE CAN ADD AND THEN THAT GIVES US SOME OF THOSE WORDS.BASICALLY THAT GIVES US TWO DEFINITIONS TO GO BACK AND LOOK IN ALL THE OTHER ORDINANCES AND FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU WANT THOSE SPECIFICALLY TO APPLY BECAUSE LIKE RABIES, YOU CAN'T ENFORCE.
WE CAN GIVE A RABIES THE FIRST TIME THAT WE RELEASE A FERAL CAT.
BUT YOU CAN'T JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS NOW FEEDING THAT CAT FOR 10 DAYS NOW, WE CAN'T HOLD THEM MARABLE FOR GETTING THAT CAT OR RABIES EVERY THREE YEARS.
I MEAN THE CITY SIGNED UP FOR THAT WITH YEAH.
I WISH, WHAT'S HIS NAME? WHAT'S HIS NAME? I, I KEEP CALLING HIM SIR
THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE OTHER DOCUMENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA PULL UP THE OTHER DOCUMENT.
AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT I QUESTIONED AND LIKE, I THINK IT'S BEFORE ALL OF OUR TIMES WHERE IT'S SAID AT THE VERY BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF A CAT, HARBOR, FEED, SHELTER, ALL THAT FOR THREE DAYS, YOU'RE DEEMED THE OWNER.
SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO PREVENT SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE FROM JUST TELLING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
NOT THAT I THINK THEY WOULD DO IT, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN.
I'M NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE THEY FED IT FOR A COUPLE DAYS, SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS TAKE OUT D WHAT TAKE OUT D TAKE OUT D ANY PERSON WHO KEEPS HARBORS BEING SHELTERED.
LIKE THAT'S SO, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I JUST PUT THIS HERE TO LIKE HAVE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY D WAS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THERE.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TELL SOMEBODY THAT'S THEIR CAT, I MEAN, OR DOG THAT MAYBE BECAUSE OF LIKE THE REGISTRATION THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHERE IT CAME FROM.
OR YOU, YOU THINK MAYBE IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO REGISTER IT, THERE HAS TO BE A TIMEFRAME THAT IT'S LIKE, OH, I JUST FOUND THIS DOG SIX MONTHS AGO.
YOU THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHERE OH, I SEE.
SO YOU GUYS DON'T MIND GETTING RID OF D THEN STRIKING IT DOES THE SHELTER, WAIT A MINUTE.
DO YOU WANT TO, YOU'RE SAYING THAT NOW THAT IF SOMEBODY TAKES A DOG AND WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN A CAT IN THIS SITUATION? NO, IT'S GOTTA BE DOG BUNNIES, WHATEVER, PETS.
GOATS, I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER THEY'VE GOT.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT IT'S STRAIGHT GOATS TO GET OUT.
WHAT IF IT'S THEIR PERSONAL ANIMAL? MM-HMM.
AGAIN, I, I'M NOT, I WASN'T THERE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.
HOW DOES THE SHELTER DEAL WITH THIS NOW? WELL, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SAYS WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE DIRECTOR.
I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT FEED THE CAT FOR LIKE 10, 14 DAYS AND 'CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THEIR STREET, ON THEIR FACEBOOK, ON THEIR NEXT DOOR WHO OWNS THE CAT? AND FINALLY THEY'RE LIKE, I CAN'T FIND ANYBODY.
I RELENT I WILL CALL THE SHELTER AND LET THEM KNOW.
SO I JUST HATED TO GET THEM NAILED WITH OH, TOO BAD.
YOU'VE BEEN FEEDING IT, IT'S YOURS NOW.
I'M FINE WITH CHANGING IT TO 10.
I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE STRICKEN.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S MY POINT.
I DON'T REALLY THINK IT APPLIES TO CATS EITHER.
SO I THINK BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO ALL KINDS OF, RIGHT.
WELL I BELIEVE IT APPLIES TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT NOW THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY CATS CAN BE OWNED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE, HOW DO YOU SEE, IT SAYS, HOW DO YOU NOW ENFORCE ALL OF THESE RULES THAT SAY STRAIGHT THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE RABIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BY NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE CAT, BUT WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN WE'RE SAYING, OH WELL WE THINK THAT THERE'S THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF A, A COMMUNITY CAT.
I, I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON FOR WHERE A LOT OF OUR QUESTIONS COME FROM
SO HOW DO YOU ENVISION LIKE THE ENFORCED, LIKE THEY USE THIS PARAGRAPH D
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YOU COULD PUT IN ANY STRAY ANIMAL OTHER THAN A COMMUNITY CATTHAT, THAT WAS ONLY MY, MY ONLY QUESTION.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE LOOKS AT THAT AND, AND THE SHELTER, THE CITY WOULD BE WITH THIS AND ITS RIGHTS TO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE ANIMAL THEN.
RIGHT? IT'S TOO BAD IT'S YOURS.
IS THAT IT? WELL, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT SATISFY IT BY ADDING, LIKE BETSY SAID, JUST OTHER THAN COMMUNITY CAT OR JUST IS YOUR CONCERN FOR THAT TIMEFRAME THAT WE WOULD NOT LIKE PICK UP A STRAIGHT ANIMAL THAT THEY'VE HAD THE SHELTER? SURE.
THE CITY, THE CITY WOULD BE WITHIN ITS RIGHTS TO SAY, TOO BAD IT'S YOURS NOW.
I DON'T, I MEAN, THREE DAYS ISN'T A LONG TIME.
LIKE IF YOU FIND, IF YOU FIND SOMETHING ON A FRIDAY, I WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THE WEEKEND AND TRY TO SEE AND THEN BY THE TIME YOU GET AROUND TO YEAH.
THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW ABOUT THE SHELTER.
IF OTHER PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE SHELTER AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SHELTER.
I MEAN IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO MAYBE TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE GO, HEY, YOU NEED TO CALL THE SHELTER.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 10 DAY THING? NO, BUT WE ALSO, IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I FOUND THIS ANIMAL FIVE DAYS AGO AND I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR ITS OWNER, WE, WE STILL ASSIST
IN FACT, I SAW, UM, JASMINE USE IT IN A REALLY GREAT WAY WHERE THIS LADY CAME IN 'CAUSE WE FIXED THE CAT.
SHE'S LIKE, BUT I'VE BEEN FEEDING THAT.
GOT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IT WAS GREAT.
SO, SO GETTING, GETTING BACK TO THIS THOUGH, SO YOU, ARE WE OKAY WITH THE 10? YOU HAVE NO, DO YOU WANT A 14? I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAKES SENSE.
I JUST PUT SOMETHING THERE JUST TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
I JUST THINK THREE DIDN'T, I THINK THREE NEEDS TO BE LENGTHENED.
LIKE, LIKE AMY SAID, ESPECIALLY IF IT HAPPENS ON THE WEEKEND, WHO KNOWS WHAT I THINK 10 MAKES SENSE.
IF Y'ALL FEEL THAT'S REASONABLE.
WHAT DO YOU WANT CL WHAT DO YOU THINK? PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MAKE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
WE'RE HAVING TO HAVE, WELL Y'ALL WERE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE, I I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THEY WILL SUGGEST GO WITH Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU REMEMBER.
IT STILL HAS ALL THE, BUT DOES 10 DAYS MAKE SENSE? DOES TWO WEEKS TOO LONG, 10 DAYS IN THE MIDDLE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO, TO SUGGEST.
AND ALSO IT SAYS WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE DIRECTOR, THE DIRECTOR, THERE'S A DEFINITION OF DIRECTOR.
WE COULD, I MEAN YOU COULD EDIT THAT TO, YOU KNOW, REPORTING THE ANIMAL IS LOST.
WOULD THAT HELP? YOU GUYS WOULD HELP ANYBODY? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT'S DIVING A LITTLE DEEPER THAN WE NEED TO.
10 LEAVE IT WITH DIRECTOR AND YOU GUYS CAN TELL US YOU JUST MIGHT OKAY, FINE.
YOU CAN SEE ON NUMBER ONE WHERE WE TOOK OUT, UH, THAT THE, UH, THE, GOD I CAN'T SAY THIS TRAPPING FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF STERILIZING, VACCINATING FOR RABIES AND EAR TIPPING COMMUNITY CATS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY APPLICABLE FEDERAL OR STATE LAWS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF A LICENSED VETERINARIAN.
AND I THINK THAT MEANS PUTTING THEM OUT.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT A VET HAS TO DO THE RABIES.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT LIKE THE TRAPPING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE UNDER THE SUPERVISION.
BUT THE OBVIOUSLY THE STERILIZING VACCINATING.
THE TRAP TRAPPING DOESN'T HAVE TO IN THE, AND THE RETURNING DOESN'T HAVE TO.
ANY QUESTIONS THERE LADIES? YEAH.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST SEMANTICS, BUT IT WAS THAT A, A TYPO WITH THE EXTRA AC ON THERE? OH, ON ITEM TWO, UHHUH
I, I I BELIEVE IF IT'S REFERRED TO ANYWHERE ELSE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JUST JORDAN L JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SOMETHING.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT
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THE AFTER MEDICAL EVALUATION.UM, I GUESS DEFINING WHAT THAT, THAT MEANS AS WELL.
UM, AND WHO'S, WHO'S DOING THAT? ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TAKING IT? NO, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND ME AS A VETERINARIAN, I THINK ANYBODY COULD LOOK AT A CAT AND SAY, THIS CAT NEEDS TO GO TO A VET.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A VETERINARIAN SAY, YEAH, THIS CAT HAS A RUNNY NOSE AND WATER PROVIDER.
WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO MAYBE INSTEAD OF SAYING MEDICAL EVALUATION, LIKE GENERAL EVALUATION OR JUST EVALUATION? I THINK THAT'D BE FINE.
BECAUSE IT WAS A BIT CONFUSING AFTER, AFTER MEDICAL.
LIKE I HAD TO HAVE, IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE KIND OF COMMON SENSE THINGS.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, UH, NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE LOCATION, IF THERE WAS ANY DEF UH, DEFINITION FOR THAT AND IF, AND WHO WOULD BE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION.
SO IF YOU FIND HIM ON THE FREEWAY
YOU GUYS HAVE MADE THAT DETERMINATION.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHAT WAS IN OUR LIKE WRITTEN PROTOCOLS THAT WAS DEFINED WITH THE, WHEN THE, UH, TNR PROCESS FIRST ROLLED OUT? YEAH.
LIKE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO RELEASE THEM SO CLOSE TO WITHIN SUCH A DISTANCE TO THE ROAD.
THOSE TYPES OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE WRITTEN DOWN.
I MEAN, I KNOW I HAVE IT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT SAID.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE DEEMED LOCATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, ALL THOSE CATS THAT WERE UNDER THAT HOUSE AND THE PERSON DIED AND NEXT PEOPLE BOUGHT IT AND SAID, DID IT WITH THE BIG CITY CODE THING AND IT BECAME A DEAL.
SO THAT WAS DEEMED NOT APPROPRIATE.
THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT ANY OF THOSE CATS.
SO I JUST THOUGHT OF A LOT OF EXAMPLES THAT WHERE THEY WOULD NOT, YOU GUYS WOULD SAY, WELL THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THEM BACK THERE.
I THINK THE QUESTION WAS JUST LIKE, AGAIN, FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENFORCING, IF IT NEEDS TO SAY LIKE, DEEMED NOT APPROPRIATE BY WHOM? I I I THINK THAT WOULD WHOEVER TRAPPED THE CAL THE SHELTER.
SO ARE WE TALKING LIKE, LIKE SHELTER STAFF? YEAH, WELL THE CITY CODE COULD SAY THE CITY THAT, UM, WHEN THEY HAD THAT BATTLE WITH THAT HOUSE ON CEDAR STREET, LIKE IT WASN'T JUST A SHELTER MAKING THE CALL, RIGHT.
IT WAS CODE ENFORCEMENT MAKING THE CALL.
AND YOU CAN'T PUT DOWN EVERY POSSIBILITY.
YEAH, I YEAH, YOU PUT A GENERAL FOR THAT.
WE WERE JUST ASKING FOR GUIDANCE ON JUST SAID HOW YOU, WE COULD, COULD TALK ABOUT PARK, SOMEBODY DUMP ANIMALS IN PARKS WOULD DECISION.
AND, AND IN MY THINKING, THE, THE A CO, WHOEVER'S OUT THERE TRAPPING, PICKING UP THAT CAT SAYS, BUT NO, NO CAT SHOULD BE OUT HERE.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO A COMMITTEE OR TO JASMINE OR WHOEVER.
AND I THINK THAT'S, I SAY EASY.
I MEAN NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING WHERE WE ARE, LIKE WITH THE FERALS AND THE FRIENDLIES, LIKE WHEN WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT CATS FOUND IN LIKE THE KROGER PARKING LOTS, PROBABLY WOULDN'T RELEASE A CAT BACK IN THE KROGER PARKING LOT.
BUT WE'VE, I'VE HAD DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE SHELTER ABOUT RELEASING THE CAT BACK IN THERE.
LIKE A KROGER PARKING LOT FOR EXAMPLE.
OR IN BACK AT A, AT A FRONT DOOR OF A RESTAURANT BECAUSE, BUT THESE WERE SOME MORE FRIENDLY CATS.
SO ANYWAY, UH, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION WHERE IT SAID THRIVING, UH, AND POOR CONDITION IS THAT YOU WANNA JUST LEAVE IT AT POOR CONDITION? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, NO, THE, THE QUESTION I THINK FROM STAFF WAS, WOULD THAT BE UTILIZING AGAIN THE, UH, YOU GUYS MAKE CONDITION CALLS PROTOCOL? WE ALREADY HAD YOU GUYS MAKE CONDITION CALLS.
WE'RE JUST ASKING IF THAT, IF THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE.
'CAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T REALLY LIKE, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT YOU CAN LOOK AND SAY, THIS CAT IS SKINNY AS A RAIL.
SO WE WERE UTILIZING LIKE THE BODY CONDITION SCORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UHHUH, BUT THERE WAS QUESTIONS AT A, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING ABOUT THAT YEAH.
I'D LIKE TO, TO MAYBE TABLE AND TALK TO HAVE BETSY AND INPUT WITH THAT.
LIKE THE BODY SCORE, THE MINIMUM BODY SCORE YOU GUYS WERE DEALING WITH WAS FOUR, RIGHT? UH, I, I DON'T, DON'T RECALL.
AND I WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE US USE IT LIKE A FIVE.
I'M JUST SAYING, OH, THE BODY SCORE.
THAT BODY SCORE ONE OUT OF FOUR.
IT WAS ONE, ONE TO 10? NO, NINE.
IT'S ONE OUT OF NINE OR SOMETHING.
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TWO, FOUR IS FOUR IS GOOD.AND I THINK THERE'S, I'D LIKE TO SEE FOUR TO FIVE RATHER THAN FOUR.
FOUR TO, 'CAUSE SOME OF THE CATS THAT I PICKED UP THAT THEY'D TAKEN, I MEAN IT WAS JUST LIKE, MAN, THEY WERE LIKE BUILT LIKE CHEETAHS.
I DIDN'T HEAR YOU BUILT LIKE A CHEETAH, LIKE THERE.
YOU KNOW, SO IT WAS A CLOSE CALL.
WELL IN MY MIND BETWEEN A FOUR AND A THREE AND I DON'T KNOW.
SO I FELT NO, IT'S NO, IT'S NOT THAT CLOSE.
WHEN THEY'RE NOT THRIVING AND THEY'RE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN THEY'RE CEX SICK, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, NO, I MEAN THERE'S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE.
THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, WELL YOU'RE TRYING TO PICK UP THEY'RE BEING FED.
SO YOU'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM HAVE SOMETHING ON THEM.
BUT YEAH, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU GET A CHART AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT CAT'S BODY AND YOU CAN LOOK AT RIGHT, I SAW YOU LOOK AT IT FROM ABOVE.
AND YOU CAN DECIDE, OKAY, THIS ONE IS THIN.
BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT THRIVING.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOT THRIVING WOULD BE A BAG OF BONES AND THEY'RE SKINNY.
AND CLEARLY NEEDS MEANINGFUL ATTENTION.
THAT'S OBVIOUS TO, SO WE, WE WERE UTILIZING LIKE THE PURINA BODY SCORE CHART.
UM, AND I, I'M ASKING 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SAY, WELL, ALL THE CATS HAVE TO BE A FOUR OR ABOVE.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE NOT THRIVING.
WE DON'T WANT 'EM, YOU PUT IT TOGETHER WITH OTHER THINGS THAT YOU NOTICE ABOUT THE CAT.
DO WE, DO WE WHAT? PUT THE BODY SCORE TOGETHER WITH OTHER THINGS THAT YOU NOTICE ABOUT THE CAT.
WHEN YOU SAY OTHER THINGS, DO YOU MEAN LIKE, IF IT'S, WAS HER QUESTION SNEEZING SICK? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
OF COURSE THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
BUT THE BODY SCORE WAS, WAS DETERMINING THE, LIKE THE, WHETHER OR NOT, LIKE THE QUESTION ABOUT IT BEING TOO SKINNY OR UNFIT.
IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TOO SKINNY, IT'S EAT UP WITH FLEAS AND ALL THAT, IT NEEDS TREATMENT.
IT'S A, IT'S NOT, IT'S A SCORE NINE.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA OUTRUN A PREDATOR.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT OUT ROAMING FREE.
IF IT'S A NINE
SO SECTION TWO, IT'S NOT ROAMING ANYWHERE.
OKAY THEN IS THAT, EXPLAIN YOUR QUESTIONS.
THAT'S WHERE WE JUST WERE, SORRY, I HAD A LOT OF NOTES FROM STAFF.
SO, UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MICROCHIP INDICATING ADOPTED.
UM, WAS THAT, WERE YOU JUST TRYING TO SAY INDICATING OWNERSHIP? I IF HE COULD SCROLL BACK INDICATING DOWN OWNERSHIP.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT DOWN A TWO.
YOU DON'T MICROCHIP THE CATS THAT ARE FERAL THAT ARE GONNA BE RELEASED.
WE CHIP EVERYTHING, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DIS IS THAT WHY YOU'RE DISCRIMINATING BETWEEN JUST A MICROCHIP VERSUS THAT'S A MICROCHIP? YEAH.
THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT USING MICROCHIP TO DETERMINE OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S WHY WE DIFFERENTIATE THE OTHER WAY.
GOES BACK TO AN OWNER RATHER THAN JUST TRUCTURE.
WERE YOU SAYING THAT THE MICROCHIP INDICATES IT HAS AN OWNER, NOT A MICROCHIP? YEAH.
INDICATING THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED, IT'S BEEN ADOPTED AND LIKE IT MIGHT NOT LONG.
SO IT'S INDICATING IT'S RED HAS A REGISTERED OWNER ON THE MICROCHIP, WHETHER THEY REGISTERED OR NOT, WE TRACE THE CHIP.
AND IF WE KNOW WE PUT THE CHIP IN AT THE SHELTER, WELL, WHAT WAS ITS OUTCOME? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THE, THE QUESTION FROM STAFF WAS, ARE YOU ASKED, ARE YOU SAYING THE MICROCHIP INDICATES IT HAS AN OWNER? IS THAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET? LIKE YEAH.
IT, IT, IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE FROM THE WAY IT'S, IT'S READ THAT MM-HMM.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE MICROCHIP ITSELF INDICATES THAT IT HAS AN OWNER.
IS THAT, NO, NOT THE MICROCHIP ITSELF.
WELL, THE REGISTRATION, BUT LIKE WHEN YOU, SO E COULD CHANGED WHEN YOU SEARCH UP THE MICROCHIP.
E COULD JUST BE CHANGED TO THE, LIKE HAS A REGISTERED OWNER.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SAY MICROCHIP.
THEY, THEY WERE JUST QUESTIONING IF IT HAD A MICROCHIP.
ARE WE ASSUMING IT HAS AN OWNER? THE OWNERS DON'T ALL REGISTER.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, SO IF YOU CHANGE IT FROM MICROCHIP HAS A MICROCHIP INDICATING, AND IT HAS BEEN ADOPTED, CHANGE THAT TO HAS A REGISTERED OWNER.
THE OWNERS DON'T REGISTER THOUGH, HAS AN OWNER.
BUT WHAT'S YOUR POINT THEN? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH
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IT? HANG ON.THE SHELTER ADOPTS THE CAT OUT.
IT AT LEAST TRACES BACK TO THE SHELTER AND THE SHELTER NOTES WHO THEY ADOPTED THE CAT OUT.
EVEN IF THE PEOPLE FAILED TO REGISTER IT.
SO, SO IT STILL GOES BACK TO AN OWNER? YES.
CAN I WANNA USE THE WORDS THAT SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD REGISTERED.
SO JUST HAS AN OWNER SO IT INDICATE IT HAS AN OWNER
SO E IS JUST CHANGING TO HAS AN OWNER.
AN OWNER, AND I DON'T WANNA SPELL OUT.
THEN YOU GO FIND THAT OWNER IF IT'S THAT NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU THAT AGAIN.
WE DON'T NEED TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO E YOU'RE SAYING E SHOULD BE CHANGED TO HAS AN OWNER MICROCHIP INDICATES IT, IT HAS AN OWNER HAS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY MICROCHIP OR ANYTHING.
THAT'S HOW THEY'RE EITHER THEY'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA KNOW THIS IS UNLESS THE CAT HAS A COLLAR ON, RIGHT? YEAH.
A COLLAR WITH A TAG OR A MICROCHIP COULD LEAD THEM TO FIND OUT THAT THE, THAT IT HAS AN OWNER.
I THINK THE QUESTION WAS LIKE, IF IT'S MICROCHIPPED THAT IT'S JUST BEEN RELEASED AS LIKE A TNR, IT WOULD STILL BE MICROCHIP, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE AN OWNER.
SO DO YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? RIGHT.
SO YOU JUST, YOU WANT TO TAKE MY YEAH, THAT'S WHY, UM, IF IT HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND HAS A CHIP, YOU'RE GONNA TRACE THAT.
I THINK THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
SEE, I'M, BECAUSE OF THE, THE WAY THE TNR STUFF WAS WRITTEN, BECAUSE A CAT IS CHIPPED AND YOU CAN JUST LET HAVE ALL CATS BE FREE.
THEY WOULD NEVER, I DON'T THINK TRACE THE CHIP BACK ANYWHERE.
BECAUSE IF IT HAS AN OWNER, THAT'S WHEN YOU TAKE THE MICROCHIP AND YOU LOOK IT UP AND IT SAYS, OH, THIS IS A COMMUNITY GAP.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HAVE HAPPEN.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT MICROCHIP INDICATING, YOU JUST NEED TO PUT IT HAS AN OWNER.
YOU COULD SAY IT HAS IDENTIFICATION OR SOMETHING.
IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE A COLLAR, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT.
SOME PEOPLE TATTOO THERE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS HAVING AN OWNER.
HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES.
HOW, HOW DO THEY IDENTIFY IT AS HAVING AN OWNER? IT HAS A MELS MULTIPLE WAYS.
COLLAR, MICROCHIP HAS A TATTOO.
A PERSON COMES IN AND SAYS, THAT'S MY CAT.
SO IF IT HAS A COLLAR, WHAT WOULD THE SHELTER DO? IF IT HAS A COLLAR WITH A TAG, WE WOULD CONTACT THE PERSON ON THE TAG.
WHAT IF IT HAS A COLLAR NO TAG, THEN YOU CAN'T CONTACT THEN IT'S NOT INDICATING THAT IT HAS AN OWNER.
SO IT'S JUST NOT THE COLLAR THAT INDICATES IT'S OWNED? NO, YOU HAVE TO TRACE BACK WHATEVER IDENTIFICATION.
WELL, BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED BEFORE SOME YEARS AGO ABOUT THE SIGNS A CAT HAS AN OWNER AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS IT HAS A COLLAR.
WELL, WE'VE LEARNED THAT THAT'S NOT RELIABLE NOW.
RIGHT? NONE OF MY CATS HAVE COLLARS.
AND WE'VE PICKED UP CATS THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, BUT THEY HAVE COLLARS ON.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE SHELTER, I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD, WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT THAT TO READ THEN? HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS HAVING AN OWNER FOR SECTION E? MM-HMM.
AND STRIKE OUT AND NOT LEAVING F AS WELL IN THERE.
DO YOU WANNA LEAVE F IN THERE? DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? I MEAN, LIKE, WE HAVE REDUNDANCY.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT YEAH, IF IT WAS FERAL VERSUS FRIENDLY, BUT IF THAT'S, IF IT'S, IF THAT'S HOW Y'ALL LIKE IT, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WORDING, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
YEAH, DON'T, I WANTED TO LEAVE IT FRIENDLY AS WELL BECAUSE WELL, IF IT'S AN EAR TIPPED CAT AND YOU PICK IT UP, YOU DON'T FIND THAT IT HAS AN OWNER.
IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO WHERE IT WAS.
SO HERE'S WHAT THE SHELTER'S BEEN DOING.
ALL, ALL THE CATS NICE OR NOT.
SO YOU HAVE EAR TIPPED CATS OUT THERE.
LET'S SAY SOMEBODY HAD DATED PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING THEM.
AND SO NOW IT'S OUT THERE AND YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S EAR TIPPED, JUST PUT IT RIGHT BACK THERE.
IF IT DOESN'T HAVE IDENTIFICATION THAT IT'S BEEN ADOPTED.
IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD HAVE A MICROCHIP THAT THE SHELTER PUT IN AND THE SHELTER WILL TRACE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE WILL HAPPEN.
THAT'S, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MICROCHIP IS TO TRACE IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE SHELTER WOULD DO, RIGHT? WE SCAN EVERY ANIMAL.
AND YOU WOULD JUST TRACE WHERE THAT CAT BELONGS THEN, RIGHT? WE WOULD, WE WOULD RESEARCH THE MICROCHIP AND CONTACT.
I, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT F NEEDS TO BE IN THERE.
NO, THAT GETS OFF IN THE WEEDS.
IS THAT, JUST GET THE WORD MICROCHIP OUT OF THERE.
SO WE, SO IF IT'S A TIME GIVEN
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IT'S NOT.UM, WE ALSO DID HAVE A QUESTION THAT BOTH TWO AND THREE SPECIFICALLY STATE FOR EAR TIPPED CATS.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT NONE OF THESE APPLY TO CATS THAT ARE NOT EAR TIPPED? CORRECT.
THESE APPLY ONLY TO EAR TIPPED CATS THAT ARE BROUGHT IN OR TRAPPED OR WHATEVER.
SO WHERE, WHERE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE TRAPPING FOR THIS PURPOSE.
WHAT PARAGRAPH ARE YOU ON? SORRY.
I MEAN REALLY THE WHOLE THING ON THREE? YEAH.
I MEAN, LOOKING AT BOTH TWO AND THREE.
AND IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WHOLE SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAT PICKING UP A CAT FOR THE PURPOSE OF STERILIZING, VACCINATING, ET CETERA.
THAT CAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY NOT BE EAR TIP 'CAUSE IT HAS NOT YET BEEN ALTERED.
SO, UM, SO THIS IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT FOR EAR TIP CATS.
DO YOU WANT OTHER WORDS ABOUT WE JUST WERE NOT CLEAR IF THAT'S BECAUSE YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A-A-T-N-R PROGRAM AND YOU HAVE CATS THAT ARE RETURNED, THEN WHEN YOU PICK ONE UP THAT HAS EVIDENCE IT'S BEEN EAR TIPPED OR WHATEVER EVIDENCE THAT IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, RETURNED, NEUTERED AND RETURNED, THEN YOU NEED TO STATE WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
SO, BECAUSE SOME EAR TIP CATS GET ADOPTED, YOU'VE GOT TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT WITH THE REG, YOU KNOW, THE IDENTIFICATION.
I I THINK THAT MAKES A BIT MORE SENSE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS TWO AND THREE.
ONE IS SAYING RECEIVED BY LCAC AND ONE IS SAYING TRAPPED BY AN OFFICER.
DO THEY, DO THEY NEED TO BE TWO SEPARATE OR CAN THOSE BE COMBINED? 'CAUSE THEY ALSO FELT A BIT REDUNDANT.
YOU COULD PUT AN EAR TIP KAT TRAPPED OR RECEIVED.
SO PICK ONE OF THOSE PARAGRAPHS ENROLLED WITH IT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TWO SEPARATE.
YEAH, I THINK 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I SEE.
I, YEAH, ONE SAYS RETURN ONE SAYS RELEASED, BUT YEAH, IT, THEY'RE FAIRLY SIMILAR OUTSIDE OF THAT.
AND THEN THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE TOO BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE IS STILL THREE.
ARE WE GOOD WITH THE SECOND THREE? UM, OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT ONE? OH, I'M SORRY.
I KNOW YOU'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
OKAY, SO WE DETERMINED WHAT EVALUATION WAS.
WE DETERMINE DETERMINED SECOND THREE.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION JUST ABOUT THE TERM, THE SOLE PURPOSE.
IS THAT NECESSARY? YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO JUST SAY, JUST STRIKE THAT FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE.
LET ME SEE, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? COMMUNITY CATCH TRAP.
MAYBE RECLAIMED ABOUT PROOF OF, YEAH.
COMM COMMUNITY CATS MAY BE RECLAIMED.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SAY TRAPPED, RIGHT.
UNLESS, AND THEN THAT CS DIVES INTO, IF WE'RE USING THE TERM COMMUNITY CATS, WHICH DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY CATS ARE WE REFERRING TO? ANY COMMUNITY CAT.
RIGHT? ANY COMMUNITY CAT THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO RECLAIM.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE LYNETTE? ANY CAT FRIENDLY, NICE.
SO THAT THEY CAN BE RECLAIMED IF THEY'RE FRIENDLY, BUT THEY CAN'T BE RELEASED IF THEY'RE FRIENDLY.
I'M JUST CLARIFYING BECAUSE YOU HAVE LIKE THE, SEE IF SOMEBODY CLAIMS ON SOMEBODY'S COMING INTO CLAIM, YOU'RE OKAY SAYING I WANT MY CAT.
THEN IT CAN BE EITHER DEFINITION.
I DON'T WANNA KEEP SOMEBODY FROM THEIR ANIMAL.
WELL, IF IT CAN BE READ LIKE THAT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN FOR STAFF QUESTIONS.
AND THEN ON THE VERY THING IT SAID, COMMUNITY CAREGIVERS AT THEIR DISCRETION.
SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER PLEASE, SIR.
I THINK HE ANSWERED THE PHONE.
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THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.WHO DOES SHE HAVE WITH HER? HER DOG.
WHO'S THERE? MY SERVICE DOG PART.
UH, UH, SCROLL A LITTLE MORE PLEASE.
OH, IT'S A SWEET WHO'S LING SOMETHING.
SO THERE WAS THE REQUIREMENT TO REGISTER AND MARA THOUGHT THAT SHOULD BE MAYBE NOT REQUIRED.
SO WE WERE JUST PICKING UP ON THAT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOUR COLONY, INSTEAD OF SAYING MUST I MAY, LET'S JUST SAYING MUST.
IS IT, IS IT NEEDED AT ALL THEN? LIKE, IS THAT LIKE, JUST TAKE OUT B ALTOGETHER? YOU GUYS PUT IT IN THERE 'CAUSE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS HELPFUL.
MARA SAID, WELL, DON'T MAKE 'EM DO IT.
SO IF YOU STILL THINK IT'S HELPFUL, YOU'RE SAYING, DO YOU, WOULD, WOULD YOU STILL HAVE A PROCESS TO LIKE TRACK WHO THAT IS SO YOU HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE IN THE SHELTER? WHO'S GOT COLONIES? WHAT'S OUT THERE? I MEAN, YOU, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO KEEP IT IN THERE AND SAY AT THEIR DISCRETION.
IF YOU WANNA GO SAY, HEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS COLONY.
DO YOU MIND, I JUST TO THINK IF FOR LIKE THE ORDINANCE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE ORDINANCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE ORDINANCE.
I THOUGHT THE ORDINANCE GAVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF, I DON'T KNOW, HELP.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT MUST.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION FROM ANOTHER SHELTER.
THAT THAT'S WHY IT WAS PUT IN.
WE AGREE WITH MAR'S ASSESSMENT ON THAT.
WE DON'T THAT WAS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU'D TAKE IT ALL, ALL TOGETHER AND TAKE IT OFF.
WELL, I KIND OF FIND VALUE IN KNOWING LIKE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO VOLUNTEER WHERE WE HAVE COLONIES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW.
BUT DOES IT NEED TO BE AN INORDINATE? DOES IT NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE? WE CAN PUT THAT IN OUR PURPOSE.
IT COULD BE AS A POLICY POLICY, HOW ARE YOU GONNA, HOW ARE YOU GONNA, IF I'M, IF I'M WRITING MY BUDGET, I DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON REQUIREMENT TO DO, I DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO THIS.
I DON'T HAVE A JOB DESCRIPTION THAT NEEDS THAT.
I, IT'S ONE MORE THING I DON'T HAVE TO DO AND I'M NOT GONNA DO IT.
WELL, AGAIN, BUT YOUR MAY IS, I'M JUST ASKING MAY IS GIVING THEM THE OPTION, MAY IS NOT, IS GIVING THE CAT CAREGIVER THE OPTION RIGHT.
IF THEY WANNA REGISTER, THEY WILL HAVE THE SYSTEM AT THE SHELTER AND WE'LL TRACK THAT.
BUT WHETHER THIS IS IN THERE OR NOT, THEY'LL STILL HAVE THE SYSTEM IN THE SHELTER TO DO THAT.
WHAT MAKES THEM DO THAT? WELL, THIS DOESN'T MAKE US DO IT EITHER.
AND, AND WHAT MAKES US DO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO EVERY DAY THAT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE.
WE DO THINGS EVERY DAY THAT'S NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE.
I JUST LIKE TO KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE VOLUNTEERING.
LIKE YEAH, WE TRACE THAT STUFF.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, THINGS COME UP LIKE THE WEST, THE LAKESIDE COLONY, YOU KNOW, WHEN STUFF'S GOING ON THERE.
IT'S NICE TO KNOW OUR COLONIES ARE AND HAVE THAT DOCUMENTED.
THIS DOESN'T MAKE, BUT UNLESS YOU MAKE IT MUST, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE IT AS PART OF AN ORDINANCE.
THE CAREGIVERS, WHAT MARA THOUGHT WAS THAT PEOPLE ARE KIND OF NOT TOLD THEY'RE FEEDING THEM OR NOT.
YOU DON'T WANNA LIKE PENALIZE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY, THE CAREGIVER.
BUT IF, THEN AGAIN, IF IT NOW IS GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA RUN WITH MAY, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE A, A PLACE IN THE ORDINANCE.
IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE ORDINANCE.
THAT'S MORE OF A COMMUNITY POLICY, SHELTER POLICY.
PUT IT ON A AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THATWHERE BEHIND THE DESK.
IF YOU THINK WE'LL KEEP TRACK OF IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK AT LEAST TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR MAJOR COLONIES ARE.
THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO.
TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE COLONIES.
BUT THAT'S PART OF THE RESEARCH AND SUCH.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO I THINK WE CAN STRIKE B MM-HMM.
WE'RE GOING TO, OKAY, DID WE JUST FINISH ALL THAT? OKAY, NOW JUST GOING BACK, JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WE'RE GONNA TAKE IN THAT THOSE SUBSECTIONS TWO AND THREE ABOUT THE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, THAT SEEMED TO BE REDUNDANT, WHETHER THEY WERE TRAPPED OR WHETHER THAT OH WAIT.
JUST MAKING SURE WE WERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMBINING THAT INTO ONE PARAGRAPH.
AND JUST INCORPORATING BOTH RECEIVED AND TRAPPED INTO THAT ONE.
NOT DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN IT.
SO TO SUMMARIZE WHO'S TAKING THIS AND PUTTING THESE IN? ARE YOU DOING THAT PATTY? YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THESE? YEAH, ME, CARL AND SUE.
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AND THEN I'M CARL, SHE'S SUE.AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AS A BIGGER PICTURE TO SEE WHERE THESE DEFINITIONS THAT YOU HAVE ARE IN ALL OF THESE.
I WAS GONNA DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME.
THEN DO THE, AND I PROBABLY WON'T.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO PUT ON THE AGENDA.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST SEND THIS TO COUNCIL.
NO, BECAUSE JASMINE BROUGHT UP LIKE, HEY, THERE'S LIKE 8, 9, 8, 10 AND RABIES AND DISPOSITIONS AND MM-HMM.
I, I WOULD JUST LOOK OVER ALL OF THIS SECTION.
AND BASICALLY I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH.
I'M PROBABLY GONNA MISS SOME STUFF.
SO IF YOU COULD OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, JUST DROP DOWN THOSE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
SOME OF IT IS I'M GONNA DO MY BEST, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA YEAH, I I CAN TRY.
I'M NOT, LEAVE SOME NOTES WITH LYNETTE.
I'LL DEFINITELY, I'LL I'LL CHECK WITH THE OFFER WITH THE OFFICERS SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES ENFORCING THESE AS WELL.
THEY KNOW THEM BETTER THAN WE DO.
AND AGAIN, I I, I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE THAT AT LEAST THE A CO STAFF HAD QUESTIONS.
IT'S BEYOND MY PAY GRADE OR WHATEVER.
THEY HAD QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND I THINK WE APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY TAKING OUR TIME TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT, EMPATHIZE WITH THAT, AND WORK WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH A WORKABLE POLICY.
[2. Discussion on Community Cat Program Assessment with Best Friends Animal Society Regional Director, Sophia Proler]
BACK TO ITEM TWO.CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YES, MA'AM.
AND THIS WON'T BUZZ ON ME, RIGHT? LIKE IF IT WAS PUBLIC COMMENT, I WON'T MAKE IT BUZZ.
NO, DON'T MAKE IT BUZZ ON ME, PLEASE.
UH, IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE TO BE HERE, Y'ALL.
I'M WITH BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SOCIETY.
I'M THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR AND I'M A NATIVE HOUSTONIAN AND DO LIVE IN HOUSTON.
SO IT'S REALLY A PLEASURE TO BE OUT HERE WITH YOU ALL AND, UM, TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS OR CLARIFY ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FROM A NATIONAL ANIMAL WELFARE PERSPECTIVE.
AND ALSO FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH SHELTERS FOR THE PAST 10 PLUS YEARS.
UM, MY BACKGROUND IS IN MUNICIPAL SHELTERING AND JUST IN THE PAST YEAR I VISITED MORE THAN 40 COMMUNITIES IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL REGION TO TALK TO THEM AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR PROCESSES AND TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW WE CAN HELP THEM OUR MISSION.
WE ARE VERY PROUDLY, UH, STRONG BELIEVERS IN NO KILL.
AND WE ARE STRONG BELIEVERS THAT THERE WILL BE A TIME WHEN THERE ARE NO MORE HOMELESS PETS.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE STAND, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S OUR GOAL, AND WE ARE GUNNING FOR IT AND WE ARE SO PROUD TO BE WORKING WITH LEAGUE CITY, WHO HAS MADE THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANNA COMMEND YOU ALL AS A CITY AND COMMEND YOU ALL AS AN ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO HAVE THESE TOUGH DISCUSSIONS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THE ANIMALS IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I DID WANNA TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTFUL AND COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE HERE WHO JUST WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING BY THE ANIMALS.
UH, I DID REVIEW THE AUDIT FROM AMERICAN PETS ALIVE ON LEAGUE CITY ANIMAL CARES COMMUNITY CAP PROGRAMMING.
AND ON JANUARY 31ST, I PROVIDED, UH, MY FEEDBACK FROM THAT ASSESSMENT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA READ THAT FOR Y'ALL SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT.
SO I'VE REVIEWED THE AUDIT FROM AMPA ON LAKE CITY ANIMAL CARES COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAMMING, AND CAN AFFIRM THAT YOUR GREAT CITY IS ADHERING TO BEST PRACTICES THAT WE SEE IN MODERN ANIMAL SHELTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE STRONGLY, STRONGLY RECOMMEND REINSTATING COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAMMING IMMEDIATELY.
I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT TWO KEY POINTS RELATED TO THE ASSESSMENT.
FIRST, NATIONAL DATA SHOWS THAT CATS HAVE AN EXTREMELY LOW RATE OF BEING REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILY.
IF TAKEN TO AN ANIMAL SHELTER, KEEPING ANIMALS IN THEIR HOMES IS AN ESSENTIAL LIFESAVING POLICY THAT SAVES STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES AND RESERVES SPACE IN YOUR ANIMAL SHELTER FOR ANIMALS WHO ARE MOST IN NEED.
SECONDLY, A SHELTER ENVIRONMENT IS HIGHLY ARTIFICIAL AND STRESSFUL FOR ANIMALS AND BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENTS IN THAT SETTING HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO BE INACCURATE AND MISLEADING.
THAT'S WHY BEST FRIENDS, ANIMAL SOCIETY, AMERICAN PETS ALIVE AND NATIONAL ANIMAL CONTROL ASSOCIATION AND OTHER LOCAL WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS DISCOURAGE RELIANCE ON THESE TYPES OF ASSESSMENTS TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY FOR PROGRAMMING.
IF A HEALTHY, UH, FREE ROAMING CAT ENTERS THE SHELTER SYSTEM AND HAS AN ACCURATE RETURN ADDRESS IS IN THE ANIMAL'S BEST INTEREST TO BE SPAYED OR NEUTERED VACCINATED AGAINST COMMUNICABLE DISEASES, INCLUDING RABIES AND RETURN TO ITS POINT OF ORIGIN.
SO THAT'S WHAT I PROVIDED TO COUNCIL ON THE 31ST OF JANUARY.
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SO FROM A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, A HEALTHY, FREE ROAMING CAT IS BEST RETURNED TO ITS PLACE OF ORIGIN.THERE WAS GREAT DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT BODY CONDITION SCORE, ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THE ANIMAL IS HEALTHY BEFORE RETURNING IT BACK THE PIECE.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT NATIONAL LEVEL, THAT'S HOW WE'RE LOOKING.
AND THEN IF WE TAKE IT TO A MORE LOCAL LEVEL, BECAUSE WE'RE TEXANS AND WE LIKE TEXAN STORIES, RIGHT? WE WANNA KNOW WHAT OTHER TEXANS ARE DOING.
SO I SPOKE WITH BOTH MONTGOMERY COUNTY, WHO IS PROUDLY NO KILL AND FORT BEND COUNTY, ALSO PROUDLY NO KILL.
BOTH OF THEM HAVE SIMILAR INTAKES TO YOU ALL.
UM, ONE IS ABOUT 6,500 ONE'S CLOSER TO ABOUT 2000.
AND BOTH OF THEM DO MAKE NO DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN FRIENDLY AND FERAL WHEN RETURNING A CAT TO ITS ORIGIN, SO LONG AS IT'S HEALTHY, VACCINATED AGAINST RABIES AND FIXED.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN IN, UH, A POLICY OF THE SHELTERS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, SIX PLUS I BELIEVE AT FORT BEND COUNTY.
AND MONTGOMERY IS GOING ON AT LEAST FIVE.
THEY HAVE NOT ONLY MAINTAINED THEIR NO KILL STATUS, WHICH OF COURSE IS IMPORTANT, BUT A KEY HERE, WHICH I THINK WE ALL AGREE IS SUPER IMPORTANT, IS THAT THEY'VE SEEN A REDUCTION IN ORPHANED AND NOT THRIVING IN CATS ENTERING THEIR SHELTERS.
SO THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE A REDUCTION IN ORPHAN KITTENS REDUCTION IN SICK INJURED KITTENS COMING INTO THEIR SHELTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A ROBUST COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.
THAT'S GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ANIMALS ARE FIXED AND THE COMMUNITY HAS RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO FIX THE ANIMALS THEY WANNA FIX, AND THOSE THAT THEY DO NOT WANT CAN COME INTO THE SHELTER SO WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION FOR THEM.
SO WITH A COUPLE OF THOSE STORIES COMING THROUGH, THE LAST IS AN ANECDOTE, WHICH I KNOW IS SILLY, BUT EVERYONE LOVES A GOOD ANECDOTE.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FRIENDLY VERSUS FERAL AND JUST WELL HAPPENS ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
MY CAT OF 10 YEARS, UM, MY HUSBAND AND I STILL ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S FRIENDLY OR NOT BECAUSE IT LOVES ME AND IT HATES HIM.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND WITH SUBJECTIVE ASSESSMENTS.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A BEHAVIOR IN A SHELTER ENVIRONMENT THAT DOES NOT MIMIC A HU UH, A HOME ENVIRONMENT.
IT ALSO DOES NOT MIMIC THE OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE CAT WAS FOUND.
UM, IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE, NOT AN INSURMOUNTABLE CHALLENGE, BUT ONE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE QUITE A FEW MORE RESOURCES THAN IS CURRENTLY ALLOCATED AT THE SHELTER TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE PROPER ASSESSMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE GROUPS THAT DO THIS.
THEY HAVE A FULL-TIME COMMUNITY CAT COORDINATOR THAT IS BEHAVIORALLY TRAINED TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS THESE ANIMALS.
THEY HAVE RESOURCES THAT INCLUDE LARGE SPACES THAT DO MIMIC A HOME-LIKE ENVIRONMENT.
AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT MY BEST ON A, IN A CAGE ON A FLIGHT
SO IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE COMMITTEE IS INTERESTED IN GOING IN, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO CONSIDER THE LONG-TERM LONGEVITY AND COSTS OF A PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE SETTING THOSE CATS UP FOR SUCCESS AND SETTING YOUR SHELTER UP FOR SUCCESS BE THE CHALLENGE WITH LENGTH OF STAY.
AND WE'RE SEEING THIS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH DOGS AND CATS, IS THE MORE, THE LONGER THE ANIMALS ARE IN THE SHELTER, THE LONGER THEY OR THE MORE LIKELY THEY'RE TO GET SICK, THE MORE LIKELY THEY ARE TO BITE OR HURT YOUR STAFF MEMBERS.
AND YOU INCREASE LIABILITY TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE ANIMALS WHO YOU MAY THEN START SOCIALIZING IN A SHELTER ENVIRONMENT, SOCIALIZING IN YOUR FOSTER ENVIRONMENT, IF YOU THEN SEND THAT ANIMAL OUT AND SAY, THIS IS A FRIENDLY ANIMAL AND IT EXHIBITS UNFRIENDLY BEHAVIORS WITH A COMMUNITY MEMBER, THEN THE CITY COULD BE POTENTIALLY LIABLE FOR SAYING, I'M, THIS IS A FRIENDLY ANIMAL, Y'ALL MAKE ALL SHELTERS MAKE VERY CLEAR.
WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THE HEALTH OF THIS ANIMAL.
WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THE TEMPERAMENT.
BUT IF WE ARE STARTING TO DISCUSS FERAL VERSUS FRIENDLY WHEN SENDING ANIMALS BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, IT IS A CONSIDERATION AND YOU MAY EVEN HAVE TO BE ADJUSTING YOUR ADOPTION AGREEMENT TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW KEY POINTS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFY ANYTHING.
I KNOW THIS HAS A BEEN A VERY HEATED DEBATE AND I VALUE EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK FOR SURE.
AND IF I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER OR IF YOU'D RATHER SPEAK TO ME AFTERWARDS, I'LL GIVE YOU MY CELL PHONE NUMBER.
UM, I THINK THAT THE, THAT WE CAN DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
THE MAIN PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH IMPLEMENTING THIS IS THE TIME IT TAKES TO
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GET 'EM SPAYED OR NEUTERED.THAT CAN'T HAPPEN WITHIN 24 HOURS WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO WORK WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL RESCUE GROUPS THAT HAVE OFFERED TO HELP MONETARILY OR TAKE THE CATS TO GET 'EM SPAYED AND NEUTERED AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, IS NOT BEING ABLE TO GET 'EM SPAYED OR NEUTERED BEFORE THEY'RE RETURNED.
THAT IS REGARDLESS OF EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, I JUST WANNA SAY WE ARE, WE, WE ARE AWARE
UM, BUT THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE STERILIZATION.
SO, SO WE I WOULD OH, GO AHEAD.
I JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE, AS LYNETTE WAS SAYING, FULLY CAUGHT UP ACTUALLY, UM, WE ARE ABLE TO GET MOST OF THE CATS FIXED AT THIS TIME WITHIN REASONABLE TIMEFRAME.
I WOULD SAY TWO TO THREE DAYS.
THAT'S THE FERAL INTAKES THAT, UH, FERAL.
THAT'S THE INTAKES THEY PICK UP OFF THE STREET.
THAT'S NOT LIKE THE KITTEN KITTENS, THAT'S, YEAH.
WELL, I MEAN, KITTENS WOULD, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT T AND R RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S EVERYTHING THEY PICK UP OFF THE STREET OTHER THAN IF IT'S TOO SMALL IS SHE'S SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING THAT IF THE CONCERN IS NOT BEING ABLE TO RETURN THEM QUICKLY, WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THAT INTERNALLY.
UM, IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH SOME LIKE CONTRACT ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, JASMINE SAID SHE WAS WORKING ON THAT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD, SO FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY CATS WE ARE, WE ARE GOOD TO GO.
WE ARE TAKING THEM MULTIPLE DAYS A WEEK AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN OUTSTANDING LISTING INSTEAD THAT'S JUST WITHIN THE BACKLOG OF SPAY NEUTER.
THE, THE, THE CONTRACT FOR COMMUNITY CATS IS DIFFERENT.
BUT THAT THE PROVIDERS SPECIFICALLY DOING THAT OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHO IS THE PROVIDER FOR THAT? UH, N OKAY.
AND YOU'RE ALLOCATED WHAT, SIX OR EIGHT CATS A WEEK? EIGHT.
EIGHT CATS A WEEK? THEY CAN TAKE TWO A DAY.
FOR THE FOUR DAYS THEY'RE OPEN.
UH, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A RIGHT.
BUT YEAH, THEY'RE CAUGHT UP NOW.
I'VE SEEN THE BOARD AND I'VE SEEN WHAT'S COMING IN AND THEY'RE CAUGHT UP NOW ON THE FERALS.
WELL, ANYTHING THAT COMES IN THAT'S LE LET ME PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK ANYTHING THAT COMES IN IS HEALTHY AND NOT OWNED AND OVER WHAT THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR POUNDS GETS, AND I DON'T THINK THEY WEIGHT UNLESS IT'S YOU'RE SAYING MICROCHIPPED, BUT OTHERWISE THEY'RE GOING RIGHT AWAY TO GET FIXED.
THEY'RE GOING OVER FOUR POUNDS, RIGHT.
THEY'RE GOING TO SNIP NO MATTER WHAT.
AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GO IMMEDIATELY NOW, HUH.
AND THEY ARE ABLE TO GO IMMEDIATELY NOW THAT THAT GAP HAS BEEN CLOSED.
SO ANYTHING UNDER FOUR POUNDS DOESN'T ISH, THOSE WOULD STILL GO THROUGH THE, THE TRADITIONAL, THE LAUREL'S HOUSE KIND OF STUFF OR OTHER PROVIDERS.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, YOU KNOW ABOUT FORT BEND AND, AND MONTGOMERY COUNTY, THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS RESOURCES TO HELP PEOPLE.
I'M THINKING, SO IF PEOPLE NEED SPAY NEUTER HELP, THEY HAVE RESOURCES TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE.
SO WITH FORT BEND COUNTY, THEY ACTUALLY DO PROVIDE WEEKLY TNR APPOINTMENTS AT THEIR SHELTER FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.
THEY, UH, PROVIDE, YOU CAN SIGN UP, I BELIEVE ONLINE OR YOU CAN GIVE THEM A CALL AND SAY, HEY, I HAVE A CAT I'D LIKE TO SIGN UP FOR THIS WEEK.
AND SO THEN THE COMMUNITY MEMBER BRINGS IN THE CAT.
THE CAT IS FIXED BY FORT BEND COUNTY, AND THEN THE COMMUNITY MEMBER PICKS UP THE CAT THAT EVENING.
IS IT FREE THEN TO THEM? YES, MA'AM.
AND, AND THEY JUST HAVE TO BRING THE CAT IN A TRAP AND THEY CAN CALL IT TNR SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVE IT'S FERAL OR ANYTHING.
PUT THE CAT IN A TRAP, BRING IT AND THEY GET IT FIXED.
YEAH, IT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GREAT.
AND THEN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON HAVING A, A
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LONGER TERM VET TO SUPPORT, BUT THEY, WHAT THEY DO FOR THEIR COMMUNITY IS THEY GO OUT AND DO LARGE SCALE SPAIN NEUTER EVENTS.I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE HEARD OF, UM, FIXED FELIX OR YEAH.
SO THEY PARTICIPATE IN THOSE AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT THEIR COMMUNITY IS AWARE OF THOSE.
SO IF SOMEONE CALLS IN AND SAYS, HEY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FIX MY CAT, OR I, THERE IS A, A SEEMINGLY UNKNOWN FREE ROAMING CAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T THINK IT'S FIXED.
WHAT CAN I DO? THEY PROVIDE? OH YEAH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THOSE.
BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST HUGE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND AN EXPENSE TO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT'S, I THINK PLAYING INTO THE REDUCTION IN ORPHAN KITTENS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU OFFER A SERVICE TO YOUR COMMUNITY THAT'S FREE SPAY NEUTER, THAT'S HUGE.
AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ALLOCATE RESOURCES TO THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY ANIMALS TO CARE FOR AND AS MANY CATS TO CARE FOR IN THEIR FACILITY.
SO THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO, IT'S A PROCESS TO GET THERE.
I MEAN, YOU GOTTA COMMIT THE RESOURCES BEFORE YOU THEN, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S MONEY THAT I GUESS THAT RIGHT JASMINE, THAT, UM, FUTURE DIRECTOR.
I MEAN THAT'S LIKE FUNDS WE COULD, ANYWAY, THAT'S A NECESSARY.
AND THEN FINDING THE VET SUPPORT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING TOO, TO HELP THIS PEOPLE.
AND THE, THE OTHER THING THAT IS, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
I ALSO CAME FROM THE CITY OF HOUSTON, THAT'S ONE OF THE SHELTERS THAT I ACTUALLY WORKED IN AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CARVE OUT WHEN THEY'RE FULLY STAFFED WITH A VET, YOU SAY, HEY, FIVE OF THESE SURGERIES EACH DAY ARE GOING TO BE FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND SO AGAIN, THE, THE FEWER ANIMALS THAT ARE IN YOUR SHELTER THAT REQUIRE CARE, THAT REQUIRE YOUR STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, TO PROVIDE SPAY FOR THOSE, THE MORE RESOURCES THAT ARE FREED UP TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY THAT BALANCE THERE AND YEAH, THERE'S A BALANCE THERE.
THE MORE YOU FIX, THE LESS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ORPHANED KITTENS AND THESE PEOPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN LEAGUE CITY WHO NEED THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO DO THAT AND ACCESS.
THEY'RE NOT AWARE HOW TO ANYWAY.
AND BOTH SHELTER DIRECTORS AT BOTH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, WOULD BE HAPPY TO COME SPEAK TO COUNCIL OR TO YOU ALL IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET MONEY TO DO IT.
IT'S, IT'S JUST MONEY, BUT I MEAN IT'S MONEY THAT EVENTUALLY YOU SEE A PAYBACK FOR OUR GUEST.
UM, THERE, AND I BELIEVE, I'M SURE THE SHELTER IS AWARE, BUT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW GRANT GIVING ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE STARTING TO FOCUS MORE AND MORE ON THAT, WHAT WE CALL MY PREVENTATIVE SPAY AND NEUTER.
UM, PETCO LOVE DOES PROVIDE UNRESTRICTED GRANT FUNDS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO USE.
BEST FRIENDS PROVIDED AN UNRESTRICTED GRANT BECAUSE OF THE EXCELLENT.
THAT THAT MONEY, THAT 30,000 WAS REALLY GENEROUS.
AND THEN YOU MENTIONED TRAINED BEHAVIOR SPECIALIST.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE AGREE THAT IT'S REALLY HARD IN THE SHELTER ENVIRONMENT TO DETERMINE OH, THAT'S A NICE CAT VERSUS JUST EXPERIENCING FAS AND ACTUALLY A NICE CAT.
SO THOSE CATS SO FAR AT THE LEAGUE CITY SHELTER ARE GONNA END UP GOING BACK ON THE STREETS THAT DISPLAY FAS AND WE CAN'T GET 'EM PAST THAT.
IF AS LONG AS THEY'RE HEALTHY AND HAVE A SPECIFIC ADDRESS THAT YOU CAN VERIFY, THERE ARE OF COURSE ALWAYS GOING TO BE EXEMPTIONS IF, TO YOUR POINT, IF IT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, THEN WELL YEAH.
GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA QUESTION WHETHER THAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THAT CAT.
I WOULD DEFINITELY BE WORRIED, BUT THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICERS HELPFUL.
UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CREATING POLICIES AND ORDINANCES THAT ALLOW FOR THAT DISCRETION WHEN THE OFFICER DOESN'T, ISN'T JUST FORCED TO DO ONE THING OR ANOTHER.
THEY CAN MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A VERIFIED ADDRESS AND THAT THEY HAVE, UH, THE CAT IS IN HEALTHY CONDITION AND OF AGE OR OVER FOUR POUNDS.
THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO TELL AGE.
TELL ME MORE ABOUT VERIFIED ADDRESS.
YEAH, SO QUESTION I, I'VE WORKED WITH QUITE A FEW SHELTERS, ESPECIALLY ACTUALLY IN TEXAS LATELY.
THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE BEST PRACTICES LIKE LEAGUE CITY ALREADY DOES, WHERE THEY DON'T ASK FOR THE SPECIFIC ADDRESS OF WHERE THE CAT WAS FOUND.
THEY'LL JUST SAY A GENERAL CROSS STREET OR THEY'LL, THEY MIGHT SAY, I FOUND IT, YOU KNOW, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN ORDER TO THE, THE BEST PRACTICES FOR RETURNING CAT'S HOME IS TO KNOW THE EXACT ADDRESS WHERE THAT CAT CAME FROM.
AND TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, I FORGET IT WAS YOU, UM, OR THE, THERE WAS SOME ABANDONED HOUSE THING.
WE GET CALLS, THE CARETAKER DIED AND THERE ARE 20 CATS THAT WE DIDN'T REALIZE WERE THERE.
AND SO OF COURSE THOSE CATS FOR THEIR SAFETY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE CAN THE NEIGHBORS CARE FOR
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THEM AND CAN WE HELP THEM GET FIXED IF THE NEIGHBORS CANNOT CARE FOR THEM OR ARE UNWILLING OR UNABLE TO, THEN WE DO LOOK AT REHOMING AND THAT'S WHEN A SHELTER IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COMMUNITY CAN SAVE THOSE LIVES.DOES ANYBODY ELSE EVEN THE PUBLIC HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED SOPHIA TO COME IS A A, THE REGARD OF HOW LONG TO KEEP THEM.
MY, MY DAYS ARE BLURRING TOGETHER.
UM, THE APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAMES TO HOLD, YOU KNOW, YOUR VOLUME.
WELL UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA TNR AN ANIMAL WHEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA TNR IT, IT'S FERAL, IT'S GOING BACK WHATEVER THAT'S, YOU DO THAT PRETTY QUICK WITHIN 72 HOURS.
YOU DON'T WANNA KEEP THE CAT AROUND AND GET IT SICK OR STRESS IT ANYMORE THAN IT ALREADY IS.
THE PROCESS THAT WAS WRITTEN OUT AT THE LAST MEETING SAID WE COULDN'T EVALUATE FOR SEVEN DAYS AND THEN WE WOULD EVALUATE AGAIN AT 14 DAYS.
AND THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU AND I WERE DISCUSSING YESTERDAY WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME? THE APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME FOR BEHAVIOR ASSESSMENT IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT DOING BEHAVIOR ASSESSMENTS IS THERE'S REALLY NO POINT IN TIME ACCURATE BEHAVIOR ASSESSMENT.
SO YOU COULD CATCH THE CAT OR DOG ON A BAD DAY.
IT COULD NOT RESPOND WELL TO LYNETTE BECAUSE SHE HAS HER HAIR UP.
IT COULD NOT RESPOND WELL BECAUSE OF MY NEW PERFUME.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOT AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW OF TIME WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, OWNED CATS OR WHEN WE LOOK AT OWNED DOGS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEIR BEHAVIOR, THEIR HISTORICAL BEHAVIOR, AND THEN THEIR BEHAVIOR IN THE SHELTER AND TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DETERMINATION BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE ANIMAL WITH COMMUNITY CATS.
SO FREE ROAMING HEALTHY CATS, THE BEST THING FOR THEM IS JUST TO GO BACK AND NOT TO HAVE TO DO A BEHAVIOR ASSESSMENT UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING PREVENTING THEM FROM GOING BACK.
LIKE WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE'S NO CARETAKER WILLING TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, OR THEY ARE INJURED TO THE POINT THAT THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE RELEASED.
SO WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY AND HELP THEM FIND ANOTHER HOME.
SO WHEN YOU SAY DISCOVER, THERE'S NO CARETAKER WILLING TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
THAT IMPLIES THAT WE'VE FIGURED OUT THERE'S A CARETAKER WILLING TO CARE FOR THEM.
THAT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU, IF AN OFFICER RECEIVES A CALL AND SAYS THERE'S AN ABANDONED HOME OR A, THERE'S A DOA SOMEONE IN IS HAS PASSED INSIDE AND THEY HAVE 60 UNSOCIALIZED CATS.
SO WHAT IF SOMEONE SAYS, I HAVE THIS CAT AND I CAN'T FIND ITS OWNER.
I'VE PUT IT ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
FACEBOOK, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNAL AND NEXTDOOR STUFF AND, AND, AND IT, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT? AND THE CAT JUST KEEPS SHOWING UP AT THEIR HOUSE EVERY, ALL THE TIME.
STAYS THERE AND BEGGING FOR FOOD ALL THE TIME.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE IT GOES AWAY FOR A COUPLE DAYS OR GOES AWAY FOR A DAY.
SO THERE WOULD BE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS I WOULD CONSIDER ASKING.
UM, A CAT IS SHOWING UP AT A DOOR OR THEY'RE SHOWING UP ANYWHERE BECAUSE THERE IS FOOD IN THEIR SHELTER.
SO IF SOMEONE IS FEEDING THAT CAT BUT THEY DON'T WANT IT THERE, THE STRAIGHTFORWARD RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO STOP FEEDING IT AND SEE IF IT GOES AWAY AND FINDS ANOTHER HOME.
UM, CATS ARE CLEVER AND THEY USUALLY HAVE ABOUT SIX TO 10 PEOPLE WHO ARE FEEDING THEM.
I KNOW ALL MY COMMUNITY CATS WALK DOWN THE, THE YARD DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION I WOULD CONSIDER.
AND IF THEY DO WANNA RE-HOME IT THEMSELVES THERE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO POST ON NEXTDOOR AND FACEBOOK, ADOPT A PET, REHOME, ADOPT A PET.
SO THOSE WOULD BE THINGS I WOULD LOOK INTO WITH THEM.
IF YOU KNOW THAT ANIMAL'S BEEN ABANDONED, PEOPLE MAY BE FEEDING IT BECAUSE THEY FEEL SORRY FOR IT.
LIKE YOU READ ABOUT 'EM IN PARKS.
THERE'S UM, JUST LAST WEEK, UH, SOME UH, PARK OVER BY SOME, UH, SEABROOK APARTMENTS.
TWO CATS, VERY FRIENDLY PEOPLE MOVED OFF.
THEY KNOW WHO WHOSE CATS THEY WERE, THEY LEFT.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA FEED 'EM 'CAUSE YOU FEEL SORRY FOR 'EM.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA JUST WALK BY 'EM.
IF YOU'RE AN ANIMAL LOVER, BUT THEY DON'T BELONG TO ANYBODY
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ANYMORE.WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO THEN? THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MONITOR.
IF THOSE ANIMALS ARE THRIVING, THEY'RE BEING FED, THEN YOU LEAVE THEM IN THE PARK.
IF THEY'RE THRIVING IN THE PARK, THE PARK SOUNDS KIND OF LIKE A NICE PLACE.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE FREQUENTLY FEEDING THEM, THEN IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM.
MAYBE THEY WILL, EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD BE A GOOD PET, THEY WERE SOMEBODY'S PET THAT SOMEBODY NEGLECTED AND LEFT.
AND IT WOULD BE A GOOD ADOPTABLE PET IF YOU TOOK IT TO THE SHELTER AND HAD SOMEBODY ADOPT IT AS A PET AGAIN VERSUS LIVING IN A PARK WHERE I DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY WILL TAKE CARE OF ME IF I'M SICK.
WHO IF IT'S COLD OR TOO HOT, MAKE SURE I HAVE WATER.
SO I TOTALLY HEAR YOUR POINTS.
THE, WE, I KNOW YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT CARED FOR VERSUS FED.
AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IF AN ANIMAL'S BEING FED, IT IS BEING CARED FOR TO SOME DEGREE.
IF THE ANIMAL GETS SICK, THEN IT COULD BE LIKE A JASMINE'S HOUSING SITUATION WHERE THEY TAKE CARE OF IT THEMSELVES OR THAT'S WHEN ANIMAL CONTROL CAN COME IN.
THAT'S WHEN THE SHELTER CAN COME IN AND INTERCEDE AND SAY, THIS CAT IS INJURED, THIS CAT IS NOT THRIVING IN THE SITUATION.
COULD A GOOD SAMARITAN PLEASE COME BRING IT IN? OR THEY CALL IN FOR LAKE CITY TO COME PICK THEM UP.
THE PEOPLE, UH, I WOULD SAY WE'RE PROBABLY NOT PURPOSELY FEEDING A BUNCH OF POSSUMS OR A BUNCH OF SKUNKS BECAUSE THEY LOOK HUNGRY.
UM, WE'RE PROBABLY FEEDING THE CATS BECAUSE WE GET SOME JOY OUT OF FEEDING THE CATS.
I FEED THE BIRDS 'CAUSE I GET JOY OUT OF FEEDING THE BIRDS IF ONE'S INJURED.
I'M GONNA TRY AND TAKE CARE OF IT IF I CAN.
UM, AND IF I CAN'T, I'LL PROBABLY CALL THE WILDLIFE SPECIALIST TO SEE IF THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO THAT'S, SOMETIMES I TRY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IN MY MIND THE ANALOGY OF A WILDLIFE VERSUS A CAT VERSUS A FREE ROAMING CAT.
I'M GONNA RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT A CAT THAT HAS BEEN SOMEBODY'S PET HAS BEEN ABANDONED.
IF IT SHOWS SIGNS OF ABANDONMENT, IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID IS, IS THEY KNEW THESE PEOPLE LEFT.
THE CATS ARE NOW LIVING IN THE PARK.
PEOPLE GO AND FEED 'EM 'CAUSE THEY KNOW THESE CATS WERE ABANDONED AND THEY'RE HUNGRY, BUT THEY WOULD'VE MADE GREAT PETS.
THEY SHOULD GO TO THE SHELTER WHERE THEY COULD BE ADOPTED AND SOMEBODY COULD HAVE SOME GREAT PETS.
SO I DISAGREE LEAVING THEM THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAY BE GOING AND FEEDING.
YOU DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY'S LEAVING THEM WATER.
YOU'RE JUST ASSUMING SOMEBODY'S THROWING OUT SOME CAT OUT.
I THINK THEY SHOULD GO TO THE SHELTER AND BE PUT UP FOR ADOPTION.
IF A CAT IS, IF AN ANIMAL IS ABANDONED OR NEGLECTED, THEN THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE PURVIEW OF THE OFFICERS.
UM, I DID ACTUALLY WANNA BRING UP ALSO THAT HOUSE BILL 36 60 WAS JUST PASSED IN SEPTEMBER OF UH, OR EXCUSE ME, SPRING OF 2023.
THAT DOES SAY ANY PERSON WHO RELEASES A CAT THROUGH A CCP OR TNR PROGRAM IS NOT ABANDONING THE CAT UNDER TEXAS ANIMAL CRUELTY LAW.
OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T APPLY IF SOMEONE GROWS THEIR CAT OUTSIDE AND LEAVES.
BUT IF A CAT IS PARTICIPATING IN A COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM AND THEY'RE RELEASED BACK TO THEIR, UH, POINT OF ORIGIN, THEN THAT IT'S NOT CONSIDERED ABANDONMENT OR CRUELTY BASED ON TEXAS LAW.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF ANIMALS THAT ARE ABANDONED.
LIKE A LOT OF APARTMENTS, PEOPLE MOVE AND LEAVE THEM, MAY CALL ANIMAL CONTROL.
ANIMAL CONTROL GETS 'EM, THEY GO GET STERILIZED, THEY GET TAKEN BACK TO THE APARTMENTS.
ONCE AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO NECESSARILY TAKES CARE OF 'EM.
MAYBE THEY'RE EATING GARBAGE OUT OF THE DUMPSTER AND THESE WERE SOMEBODY'S PETS SO THEY WOULD'VE MADE GREAT PETS.
SO WHY CAN'T THEY GO INTO OUR ADOPTION ROOM AND BE ADOPTED OUT? WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD ADOPTION PROGRAM AT OUR SHELTER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GREAT IS WE CATS MOVE THROUGH THERE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT AGAINST T AND R.
THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME KIND OF MISCONCEPTION THAT WE'RE AGAINST TNR AND WE'RE NOT AT ALL, I DON'T KNOW, AN ANIMAL LOVER THAT IS, WE'RE AGAINST HAVING CATS THAT SHOULD BE PUT UP FOR ADOPTION PUT BACK IN THE FIELD.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SEVERAL MUNICIPALITIES I WORK WITH STRUGGLE WITH TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT BALANCE IS.
AND I OFTEN SAY, TURN TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
TALK TO THE LANDLORD AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND SAY, IS THIS, ARE THESE CATS THAT
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YOU HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN YOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX? THEY DO.THEY ACTUALLY DO WANNA CARE FOR THEM.
IF SO, GREAT, WE CAN HELP YOU GET THEM FIXED SO YOU DON'T HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE.
IF LET'S SAY THIS IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT DOES NOT ALLOW PETS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TWO CATS SHOW UP ON THE PORCH, IT WOULD BE OF COURSE, WELL PROBABLY THE BEST DECISION FOR THAT SHELTER OR THAT OFFICER TO SAY, I'M GONNA BE TAKING THOSE CATS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA THRIVE HERE BECAUSE PETS AREN'T ALLOWED.
AND CLEARLY THEY WERE ABANDONED.
I THINK THERE'S SOME WITH THAT I, I AGREE WITH, WITH TALKING, BUT TALKING TO PEOPLE TO FIND OUT THE PROBLEM THERE IS THE SHELTER'S ALWAYS UNDERSTAFFED.
WHO'S GONNA, THEY CAN, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO TAKE CARE OF THE THINGS AT THE SHELTER.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE WORKING THEIR FANNIE OFF THERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO KNOCK ON DOORS.
IDEALLY THESE ARE CALLS THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED BEFORE THE ANIMAL EVER GETS INTO THE SHELTER.
SO LET'S SAY THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX OWNER CALLS THE OFFICERS AT LEAGUE CITY AND SAYS, HEY, TWO CATS JUST SHOWED UP.
I KNOW I JUST HAD TO EVICT A TENANT.
THEN THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT START AND THEY MAY EVENTUALLY LEAVE FOR THE, TO HAVE THE, THE ANIMALS COME TO THE SHELTER AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THEM.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, THEY CAN'T DECIDE WHAT COMES IN THROUGH A CRUELTY CASE.
YOU WOULD PROBABLY PREFER NOT TO HAVE 160 UNSOCIALIZED SCRUFFY THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAD WHENEVER IT WAS
SO, BUT THAT WAS CERTAINLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THOSE ANIMALS BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION.
SO THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANIMALS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY BEST SERVED BY COMING INTO THE SHELTER.
UM, BUT NOT BASED ON A SUBJECTIVE DECISION OF WHETHER AN ANIMAL'S FRIENDLY OR NOT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF GET TO THE CORE OF IT.
AND THAT'S AGAIN, BASED ON NATIONAL, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AND NATIONAL ANIMAL WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS AND ALSO NATIONAL ANIMAL CARE, OR EXCUSE ME, NATIONAL ANIMAL CONTROL ASSOCIATION.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE WARM FUZZY PEOPLE LIKE ME, IT'S ALSO THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE GOVERNING THROUGH LOGIC AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE BEST DECISIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND ANIMAL SAFETY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER WHO GOES OUT THERE TO MAKE THAT CALL, YOU KNOW, AND THEY SAY, WELL WE KNOW THIS, THESE BELONG TO THESE PEOPLE AND THEY MOVED AWAY.
UH, I DON'T SEE WHY THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER COULDN'T JUST PICK 'EM UP, TAKE 'EM BACK TO THE SHELTER AND PUT 'EM UP FOR ADOPTION.
AND I THINK THAT COULD BE A JUDGMENT CALL THAT THEY COULD MAKE.
YEAH, THAT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LOGICAL.
SO IT IT, WHEN YOU DO A TNR, YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY CUT AND DRIED.
ALL CATS WILL GO BACK TO WHERE THEY'RE FOUND.
IT CAN BE A JUDGMENT CALL, JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
YOU CAN'T DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE MEN, BUT THEY'RE FRIENDLY TO WOMEN, YOU KNOW, OR VICE VERSA.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I GOT US HERE AT THIS POINT IS WE WANT A JUDGMENT MADE ON, OKAY, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ADOPTABLE CAP.
WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA LEAVE IT HERE, WE'RE GONNA, 'CAUSE OUR ADOPTION PROGRAM DOES.
IT SOUNDS LIKE A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
UH, TO ME, JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT AN ORDINANCE AND WHAT A POLICY NEEDS TO SERVE IS.
IF WE ARE DEEMING SOMETHING FRIENDLY OR ADOPTABLE, THEN DO WE HAVE SOME COMMITMENT TO THE PUBLIC TO SOMEHOW MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ACCURATE? AND IF WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT IT, IT CAN BE CONCERNING.
UM, AND I WOULD HATE, LET'S SAY, 'CAUSE I IMAGINE Y'ALL ARE VERY GOOD WITH CATS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT CATS.
UM, IF A CAT IS FRIENDLY WITH YOU IN THE SHELTER, AND SO THEREFORE IT GOES TO THE ADOPTION PROGRAM, IT GETS ADOPTED AND THEN IT BITES A CHILD, IT SCRATCHES SOMEONE, THEN WHAT'S, WHAT IS THE SHELTER'S RESPONSE? BUT THAT CAN HAPPEN AT ANY SHELTER WITH ANY
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ADOPTION.AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE ADOPTION AGREEMENTS IN PLACE.
BUT IF WE HAVE A HEALTHY, THAT'S HEALTHY'S, NOT NECESSARILY A CAT THAT WE SAID, OH, THIS IS FRIENDLY, THAT'S A CAT THAT WAS BROUGHT IN AS A SURRENDER AND THEY SAID, OH YEAH, IT'S FRIENDLY AND SOMEBODY'S CHECKING IT OUT AND IT'S SCRATCHED OR SOMETHING.
YOU CAN'T SUE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.
I FEEL LIKE I GOT A PRETTY LOUD VOICE TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, YES, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
AND THE BENEFIT OF A COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM, THE WAY THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, AND THE WAY THAT AMERICAN PETS ALIVE AND BEST FRIENDS AND NACA RECOMMEND IS THOSE CATS ARE FRIENDLY FOR A REASON AND THEY HAVE SOMEONE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
IF THEY HAVE BEEN ABANDONED, THEY ABSOLUTELY SHOULD COME IN THE ALLOW THE OFFICERS TO MAKE THAT, UM, DETERMINATION ABOUT ABANDONED OR NOT VERSUS FRIENDLY OR NOT SO ABANDONED.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER KEY POINT TO LYNETTE'S, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT ENFORCEABLE ORDINANCES.
IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO ENFORCE FRIENDLY, EASIER TO ENVO ENFORCE ABANDONED BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE PROOF OF OWNERSHIP OR PROOF OF LIKE IF IT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITHOUT, WITH NO PET, A ZERO PET POLICY.
OH NO, AND I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION TOO.
I KNOW, UH, YOU MAY NOT, WE MAY NOT PERFECTLY ALIGN, BUT I, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD AND HEALTHY DISCUSSION TO HAVE, ESPECIALLY IN A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE FOLKS CAN, UM, HEAR FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT SIDES.
AND AGAIN, I'M ALL, I'LL GIVE MYSELF PHONE OUT TO EVERYBODY.
UM, HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THIS WITH Y'ALL LATER.
IS ANYBODY ELSE, OH, I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE ONE COMMENT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN ALL THIS STARTED, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL FOR THE, THE TNRI THINK WE JUST GOT, WE JUST DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS GOING TO INCLUDE SOME ONES THAT WERE FRIENDLY AND YOUNG AND FRIENDLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT ADOPTION PROGRAM.
I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE WHAT, TWO TO ONE AT LEAST NOW IN, IN THE CAT ROOM AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S HARDLY ANY CATS AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION.
SO WHY WOULD WE PUT A CAT BACK OUT ON THE STREETS WHENEVER IT COULD BE LIVING IN A LOVING HOME AND GET, I MEAN, AND BE A PET RATHER THAN AN OUTDOOR PET? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S MUCH YEAH.
YOU CAN'T SAY, OH, IT'S BETTER OUT THERE THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY.
YEAH, YOU CAN'T, THERE'S, SO I, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IF, IF WE WERE HA IF WE WERE STRUGGLING TO MEET THE NO KILL AND THAT WE WERE KILLING RATHER THAN PUTTING BACK OUT THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING.
I THINK THAT WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK A LOT OF 'EM HAVE SPOKEN THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD RATHER SEE.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST OF WHAT WE SEE FROM THESE, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS, UM, AMERICAN PETS ALIVE AND, AND BEST FRIENDS, AND THEN FIND OUT WHAT WHAT WORKS FOR THEM.
BUT ALSO TAKE IN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL THESE PARTS OF THAT I THINK WORK FOR OUR CITY, BUT OUR CITY WANTS TO BE BETTER THAN THAT STANDARD.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT OUR ANIMALS ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF TO A HIGHER STANDARD, NOT JUST THE MINIMUM STANDARD.
AND SO IF, IF WE HAVE THE ROOM, WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND FIND THEM GOOD HOMES AND THOSE HOMES CAN LET THEM IN AND OUT IF THEY WANT TO.
BUT I STILL THINK THAT YOU HAVE A, YOU A DEDICATED CARETAKER IN THAT, WHICH IS BETTER THAN WHAT A COMMUNITY CAT GETS.
SO A DEDICATED CARETAKER WOULD JUST BE ONE THAT CAME TO THE SHELTER AND ADOPTED IT, AND THEN THEY COULD JUST PUT IT RIGHT BACK OUTSIDE.
THEY COULD PUT IT OUT OUTSIDE AS AN INSIDE OUTSIDE CAT OR, BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW THAT THEY COULD DO THAT.
OR, OR IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD PUT IT TOTALLY OUTSIDE.
IT WOULD BE THEIR OUTSIDE CAT, BUT IT WOULD BE THEIR CAT.
AND THEY KNOW IT, AND THE CAT KNOWS IT.
IT KNOWS WHERE TO GO WHEN IT WANTS TO STAY WARM.
IT HAS SOMEBODY TAKE IT TO THE VET.
IT'S SOMEBODY'S PET, NOT VERSUS, OH, IT EATS MONDAY AT THE JONES'S HOUSE AND TUESDAY IT GOES DOWN HERE.
AND IT'S NOT REALLY SOMEBODY'S PET.
FULL DISCLOSURE, I FEED MY COMMUNITY CATS TWICE A DAY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEIR BODY CONDITION QUARTER DOESN'T, EVERYBODY IS LIKE ABOUT SEVEN RIGHT NOW,
THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE CHUNKY.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SOCIAL EVENT.
THEY COME OVER FOR A LITTLE SOCIAL TIME.
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LET HIM SLEEP IN OUR GARAGE 'CAUSE HIS PERSON DIDN'T.WE HAD A HAY BALE FROM MY RABBIT AND HE'D SLEEP IN THE HAY BALE.
THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE, WHICH IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE CRUELTY LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND ABANDONMENT LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND OFFICERS WHO CAN ENFORCE THEM.
UH, ENFORCING WHAT IS A GOOD HOME OR A GOOD FAMILY IS A LOT TRICKIER AND CAN PUT YOU AT ODDS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK TO YOUR POINT, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME.
UM, TO YOUR POINT, AMY, THE, IF THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR THIS, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY REALLY DOES WANT THIS, THEN IT, IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE CITY TO PUT SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES BEHIND IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ANIMALS ARE THRIVING AND THAT THE COMMUNITY IS GETTING THE PROGRAM THAT THEY'VE BEEN PROMISED.
UH, YOU'VE MADE IT A REALLY NICE DISCUSSION AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING YOUR TIME AND THE, IF YOU DROVE A LONG WAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH ABSOLUTELY.
AND I KNOW YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION WILL BE LIKE WITH LYNETTE.
AND SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THEY CAN EMAIL AND GET A HOLD OF YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EXPLAINING AND SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH US.
IT REALLY HAS BEEN A PLEASURE.
AND I'LL STICK AROUND AS WELL IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK WITH ME AFTER.
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US, UM, TO PUBLIC COMMENTS IF WE HAD ANYBODY NUMBER ONE ON THE SECOND TOO.MONICA MILLIKEN 9 3 4 PLANTATION.
THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION TODAY.
UM, I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THE INVOLVEMENT AND THE, AND THE INTEREST THAT EVERYBODY HAD.
UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO LIVE IN A CITY WHO MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WERE GONNA LOOK AT ALL OF THE BEST PRACTICES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AND THAT THEN ULTIMATELY THEY WERE GONNA LISTEN TO WHAT THE CITIZENS WANTED IN THE FIRST MEETING WHEN SUE SAID, WELL, WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES? WHY CAN'T WE DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO? AND SO IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT THE CITY ALLOWED US TO DO THAT.
AND AS MUCH AS BEST FRIENDS MAKES IT SOUND LIKE OUR COUNCIL AND OUR MAYOR ARE DRAGGING THEIR FEET ON THIS T AND R PROGRAM, THEY'RE NOT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE LISTENING TO THEIR CITIZENS AND THEY'RE ALLOWING THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD TO DO THEIR JOB, TO TAKE THAT ORDINANCE APART AND TO DISCUSS IT JUST LIKE Y'ALL DID TODAY.
AND SO, I I I'M TOTALLY BUM FLED BY BEST FRIEND'S INTEREST IN US WHEN WE'RE NO KILL AND HAVE BEEN NOKI SINCE 2017.
AND WE HAVE SUCH A ROBUST, ROBUST, UM, ADOPTION PROGRAM.
UM, I SPOKE TO MANY PEOPLE WITH BEST FRIENDS, AND I KNOW I CAN FIND IT IN THEIR PUBLICATIONS WHERE IT SAYS THAT ADOPTION IS THE PREFERRED OUTCOME.
AND EVERY HUMANE ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES SAYS ADOPTION IS THE PREFERRED OUTCOME.
AND SO TO HEAR THAT, THAT THEY SHOULD SURVIVE IN, IN PARKS AFTER THEY'VE BEEN ABANDONED.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN THE PICTURE OF DEBORAH.
WHAT WAS DEBORAH'S NAME WHEN SHE WAS RELEASED BY THE SHELTER? DEBORAH.
SO IT WAS DEBORAH WHEN THEY RELEASED HER BY THE SHELTER.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE PATTY TOOK THE CAT IN, HAD IT TREATED FOR HEARTWORMS, AND IT'S, IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE.
AND BONNIE HAS TAKEN IN SEVERAL CATS THAT WERE ABANDONED AND NEAR DEATH AND HAS TURNED THEM AROUND INTO BEAUTIFUL CATS.
I'M SO GRATEFUL TO LIVE IN LEAGUE CITY AND TO HAVE LEAGUE CITY CLEARLY SAY WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO WHAT OUR CITIZENS WANT.
THE CITIZENS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT MADE LEAGUE CITY NO KILL.
THE SHELTER CANNOT JUST MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ONE DAY WE'RE GONNA BE NO KILL.
IT TAKES, IT TAKES US, THE CITIZENS TO COME TOGETHER AND TO DO THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN ORDER FOR NO KILL TO BECOME REALITY.
I'M ALSO GLAD THAT SHE SAID THAT IT'S NOT INSURMOUNTABLE TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE AN ANIMAL.
AND I LIKE THAT PATTY, YOU BROUGHT UP THAT YOU SHOULD DO IT OUT IN THE FIELD.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE FACTS ABOUT THE ANIMAL.
AND IF, IF WE CAN DO THAT, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE FAR BETTER OFF IN LOOKING IN, LOOKING AT THE DISPOSITION, THE BEST DISPOSITION.
BUT FOR, FOR MY FEELING NOW, ADOPTION IS THE BEST OPTION.
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WE NEED TO TAKE ON.[5. Select next meeting date]
UM, AND I WILL SELECT A NEXT MEETING DATE.AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE A MONTH FROM NOW, RIGHT? APRIL 10TH IS THE SECOND.
APRIL, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 10TH IS THE SECOND WEDNESDAY.
SO WE GO DO THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THE REGULAR ONE.
AND THEN BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO JASMINE.
I ASSUME THIS IS YOUR LAST MEETING.
IS IT, IS IT? I DON'T, YES, IT WILL BE MY LAST MEETING.
I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE YEARS OF SERVICE YOU'VE HAD AT THE LEAGUE CITY SHELTER.
UM, YOU STARTED THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH DOGS IS WHAT REALLY KNOCKS MY SOCKS OFF.
WE'RE GONNA LOSE NOT ONLY A DEDICATED MANAGER, UM, HELPING THE CITY DO EVERYTHING WITH THE DOGS AND CATS AND ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS IN THE PUBLIC.
BUT YOUR EFFORT WITH THE DOGS, YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH THE DOGS, AND I GIVE YOUR HUSBAND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE LIKE A TEAM.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AMAZING AND HAVE MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THE DOGS THAT WE GET THAT ARE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SAY, MAYBE HARD TO GET ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT PUTTING ANY MORE LABELS ON THEM.
YOU, YOU'VE MADE HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF THOSE AND THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY MISSED.
THEY CAN STILL CALL ON YOU FOR ADVICE AND STUFF, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UM, SO I, WITH THAT, I ADJOURN.
IS THIS YOUR LAST ONE? WAIT, WHAT? I DON'T KNOW.
IS THIS CLIFF'S LAST ONE? DEPENDS HOW IT ALL GETS WORKED OUT.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE A SPEECH PREPARED FOR YOU.
ARE YOU STILL GONNA BE HERE NEXT WEEK? NEXT MONTH? I SHOULD BE NOW THAT HE'S SITTING IN THE BIG CHAIR.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A GUY THAT'S GONNA LIKE A CHAIR.
YOU'RE DELEGATED LIKE TO SOMEBODY.
AND THAT PERSON WILL PROBABLY REPLACE YOU.
BUT WE'LL STILL HAVE YOUR REP.
HEY, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING.