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[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS ]
REVIEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE DIFFERENT THAN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, MEETS TODAY AT FEBRUARY 22ND, 2024, PRECISELY 6:00 PM IN CITY COUNCIL.CHAMBERS CALLED TO ORDER, AND WE HAVE A GOOD GROUP HERE TODAY THAT'S BETTER THAN A QUORUM.
WHO DID I MISS? AND, UH, UH, OUR ATTORNEY, MICHELLE, IS HERE NOT TO BE A SMART ASS, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I'M PARTIAL TO THAT PORTION OF THE AGENDA SINCE I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT, BUT NOBODY SHOWED UP.
WELL, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HERE.
[3. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING CHARTER AMENDMENT]
ALL RIGHT.IT APPEARS TO ME WE HAVE THREE AREAS OF DISCUSSION, UH, LANGUAGE OF THE RECALL LANGUAGE OF FILLING A COUNCIL VACANCY AND REVIEW OF RED LINE CHANGES.
SO LET'S START WITH LANGUAGE OF THE RECALL.
AND I GUESS THAT IS IN, UH, THE CHARTER DOCUMENT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH IS ARTICLE FOUR.
AND I KNOW YOU READ THIS BEFORE I GOT HERE, BUT AS WE GO DOWN THROUGH THIS, IS THERE ANY PART OF THIS THAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE RESTATED OR STATED IN A DIFFERENT WAY? UM, WELL, GO AHEAD.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK LAST TIME, OR ACTUALLY EVEN THE TIME BEFORE THAT, WE HAD PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
UH, AND THEN WE, I THINK CHUCK ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, CORRECT? OH, THAT WAS ON, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ISSUE, I THINK.
AND IF ANYONE WANTS ME TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING, I'M OF COURSE FREE TO.
OTHERWISE, I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU GUYS DEBATE AND DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO.
SO, UM, THERE IS A CLAUSE IN HERE THAT KIND OF SURPRISES ME, UM, WHAT PAGE THIS WOULD BE.
IT'S, IT'S IN A SEPARATE HANDOUT, UNFORTUNATELY.
DO YOU HAVE A SINGULAR HANDOUT FOR THE ARTICLE FOUR? YEAH.
JUST LOOK AT THE, THE MAIN RED LINE SHOULD HAVE THAT, IT, IT WILL BE PAGE TWO.
UM, SEE IF I CAN FIND IT IN THE, IN THE MAIN DOCUMENT, THREE, FOUR, UH, RECALL.
AND IT SAYS THE, THE, THE CLAUSE THAT KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE POWER TO RECALL LA LA OKAY, GOOD.
THAT DEMANDING THE REMOVAL OF SUCH OFFICER, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT RECALL IS, RIGHT? SAY THAT AGAIN.
RECALL IS NOT REMOVING ANYBODY NO.
RECALL IS CALLING FOR THE ELECTION RECALL IS CALLING FOR AN ELECTION.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I THAT'S STATED LIKE THAT.
WELL, I WOULD'VE EXPECTED DEMANDING, UH, THE OFFICE UNDERGO IMMEDIATE ELECTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, YOUR, YOUR, UH, ALL RIGHT.
20% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERSONS WHO APPEAR ON THE OFFICIAL LIST OF REGISTERED VOTERS LEAGUE CITY.
NOW WITHIN THAT, THAT DOCUMENT ASKING FOR A RECALL, YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT YOUR, WHAT IT IS YOU WANT.
IF IT'S A REMOVAL OF SOMEBODY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS.
YOU, YOU, YOU'RE DEMANDING A ANOTHER, AN ANOTHER ELECTION.
WHAT TO DO IS INTERJECT ONE WORD AND THAT IS MIKE WHAT? MIKE MICROPHONE.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS I, HERE YOU HAVE TO PUSH A BUTTON.
IT'S GOTTA BE REALLY CLOSE TO YOUR MOUTH TOO.
IT'S SOPHISTICATED THESE DAYS.
I I LIKE SPECIFIC OF THIS WORK.
UM, YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE CORRECT, BUT ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS INTERJECT ONE WORD THAT IT IS, UH, THE RECALL PROCEDURE
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TO CALL AN ELECTION FOR THE REMOVAL OF, THAT'S ALL.I'M SORRY, WHICH SECTION ARE WE LOOKING AT? THAT IS, UH, SECTION SIX, AND I THINK IT IS THE 1, 2, 3, FOURTH LINE DOWN, CHUCK IS RIGHT, THOUGH.
I MEAN, BUT I THINK ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS, UH, PUT IN REGISTER VOTERS FOR LEAGUE CITY AND THE
REQUIRED FOR THE CALLING OF AN ELECTION TO RECALL THE REMOVAL OF SUCH OFFICER.
SO CHUCK'S RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO, IT'S, THE RECALL IS NOT TO REMOVE THE RECALL IS JUST TO CALL THE ELECTION FOR THE REMOVAL.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE I WOULD SUGGEST, BUT THAT OFFICER CAN STILL RUN IT IN THAT ELECTION.
BUT IT DOES, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE REMOVAL OF THE OFFICER.
THAT OFFICER CAN PARTICIPATE IN THAT ELECTION, RIGHT? NO, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE PETITION IS TO COLLECT SIGNATURES TO CALL AN ELECTION FOR THE REMOVAL OF, UH, OF AN OFFICER THAT SHOULD, THAT THAT WOULD BE THIS.
AND HE'S STILL THERE UNTIL THE ELECTION.
AND, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE, UH, THAT IT WILL HAPPEN.
SO THEY COLLECT ALL THE SIGNATURES, AND THE ELECTION IS CALLED IF THEY DON'T HAVE, IF IF THE NUMBERS DON'T, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENT, THEN THERE IS NO REMOVAL.
YOU JUST NEED TO SAY THE PURPOSE, THE POWER OF RECALL IS TO DEMAND A ELECTION FOR THE REMOVAL OF AN OFFICER, NOT ELECT.
AND I DON'T LIKE OFFICER I ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR, I MEAN, BUT I, I, I OBJECT TO THE WORD REMOVAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT, THAT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE VOTERS AT THE TIME.
AND IT MAY NOT BE IN A REMOVAL.
I THINK PEOPLE READING THIS MIGHT SAY, OH, THAT'S, THAT'S REMOVAL.
BUT NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT.
PEOPLE GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION WHEN, WHEN, IF AND WHEN THEY READ THIS, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE PARAGRAPH, THERE WASN'T ANY CHANGES TO IT.
THAT, THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN.
IS IS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION.
BUT, UM, THAT'S THE WAY THAT, THAT PARAGRAPH HAS ALWAYS BEEN OKAY.
AND I STILL DON'T LIKE IT, REGARDLESS OF HOW OLD IT IS.
I, I DON'T, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE THAT THAT PARAGRAPH REQUIRED 10%, BUT PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE CHANGES, WE WERE AT 20% IN THE, IN THE, I I I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRIMARY MOTIVATION OF CHANGING THIS SECTION.
NO, IT, THE CHANGE WAS OVER HERE IN THIS PARAGRAPH.
THIS, THIS PARAGRAPH NEVER DID CHANGE.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S REFERENDUM.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PARAGRAPH THAT CHANGED BECAUSE THIS ONE'S ALWAYS BEEN 10%.
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING WAS SECTION THREE.
WELL, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I, WE, WE AGREED.
DO YOU AGREE THAT WE HAVE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE 10%, WE NEEDED TO CHANGE IT TO 10%.
BUT FOR CALLING PARAGRAPH PERSON, NOT THIS PARAGRAPH.
THIS, THIS PARAGRAPH WAS ALWAYS 10%.
IT'S THIS PARAGRAPH THAT WAS 20%, CORRECT? YEAH.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE TO BE CORRECTED.
IS IT? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE VOTED OR SUGGESTED 10%.
WHEN DID IT GO UP TO 20? IT'S BEEN 20.
BUT, BUT HAS THIS GROUP AGREED TO 20? NOT, IT'S NEVER BEEN 20 FOR THE RECALL.
I THOUGHT THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE TALKING THAT IT WAS 20 FOR THE RECALL.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 10 FOR THE RECALL.
NO, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 20 FOR THE RECALL.
NO, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE CHANGING IT.
AND THE REFERENDUM FOR BOTH 20, ANYBODY HAVE THEIR MANUAL THAT WE GOT? NO, I DON'T, OUT OF THE HALF.
YEAH, I HAVE THE ORIGINAL ONE.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR A PETITION FOR RIGHT INITIATIVE OR REFERENDUM? NOT FOR RECALL.
UM, IT IS 20% AND FOR THE RECALL OF AN ACTUAL PERSON, IT'S 10%.
I WILL SAY, AND, AND THIS IS WHY WE BRING BACK RED LINES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS.
SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES, IT'S, IT'S NOT TOO LATE.
I WILL SAY, I THINK, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND
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IF I GOT IT WRONG, THEN I'LL CERTAINLY AMEND WHATEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO.MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE SECTION ABOUT REFERENDUM AND NOT NECESSARILY RECALL.
WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS.
UM, THE CHANGE THAT I PUT IN THAT IT SHOWS IN THE RED LINES IS THAT WE CHANGED THE REFERENDUM FROM 20% OF TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE APPEARED ON REGISTERED BALLOTS TO 10% OF THOSE WHO ACTUALLY VOTED.
I WILL SAY THE POWER OF RECALL SECTION, SECTION SIX, IT'S 10% OF REGISTERED VOTERS.
IT IS NOT 10% OF THOSE WHO ACTUALLY VOTED.
SO IF THAT WAS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD WANT, I WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE TO SECTION SIX THAT SAID, THAT WOULD CHANGE IT FROM 10% OF REGISTERED VOTERS TO 10% OF THOSE WHO ACTUALLY VOTED IN THE LAST GENERAL ELECTION, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS, YOU'RE SAYING.
SO I COULD HAVE SWORN THAT WE WERE GONNA CHANGE SOMETHING IN THE POWER OF RECALL SECTION.
WELL, DIANE, 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN 20, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL REGISTERED VOTERS, WHICH IS UNTOUCHABLE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A DOABLE THING.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A APPROXIMATELY 73,000 REGISTERED VOTERS, 79, SO 10% OF THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST NOT DOABLE.
THERE ARE ELECTIONS THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT MANY PEOPLE OUT.
SO I THOUGHT COLLECTIVELY THE GROUP HAD SUGGESTED, AND THAT'S WHY THIS WAS DONE OF LOOKING UP, WAS IT THE LAST ELECTION? THEN WE GOT INTO, WAS IT A GENERAL ELECTION? A SPECIFIC ELECTION? MM-HMM.
SO I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT, HOW WE LEFT IT.
AM I MISREMEMBERING? NO, NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK WHAT WAS CONFUSING IS I THINK ALONG WITH THE CHANGING OF 10% OF THE TOTAL, I THINK WE WERE ALL THINKING IT WAS 20 THE WHOLE TIME.
I THINK WE WERE AT LEAST I WAS GETTING CONFUSED BETWEEN THE INIT, YOU KNOW, UH, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM THE PERCENTAGE WISE.
I WAS GETTING CONFUSED THERE, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT.
WE ALWAYS WERE GOING TO, UH, TALK ABOUT ADAPTING OR ADOPTING A PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED IN THE LA LAST.
WELL, IN THE PREVIOUS PREVIOUS GENERAL ELECTION.
IN THAT SECTION SIX POWER RECALL.
AND THEN WE GOT INTO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GENERAL AND SPECI, UH, SPECIAL.
DO WE STILL WANT THE SAME RED LINES THAT WERE IN SECTION THREE? ARE THOSE ACCEPTABLE OR WERE THAT NOT THE CHANGE THAT YOU WANTED? HOLD OFF ON THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, LET'S GET THIS ONE KNOCKED OUT FIRST.
SO WHAT'S THE SUGGESTION THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT TO, UM, BASED ON THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, AND ALSO LAST TIME, I GUESS I WOULD ADD A CHANGE TO THE THIRD LINE WHERE IT SAYS 10% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERSONS WHO APPEAR ON THE OFFICIAL LIST OF REGISTERED VOTERS.
IT'D BE 10% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE LAST GENERAL ELECTION, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS.
AND THEN THERE WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT DID WE GET IT RESOLVED WITH WHAT THE DEFINITION OF A GENERAL ELECTION IS.
I SENT, UM, SOME STATUTORY DEFINITIONS OF HOW THE TEXAS ELECTIONS CODE, UH, CODE IDENTIFIES THAT.
AND SO IF IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE MOST PEOPLE WILL VOTE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, NOT IN A SPECIAL ELECTION OR PRIMARY ELECTION.
SO THAT SHOULD BE STILL A, THE LARGER NUMBER OF VOTERS, BUT NOT AS MANY AS THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT YOU HAVE GENERAL ELECTIONS EVERY TWO YEARS NOW.
BECAUSE THE COUNCIL'S STAGGERED SO WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, THE COUNCIL AND, UH, YOU GOT, UH, ONE OF 'EM IS ON THE PRESIDENTIAL YEAR.
THE OTHER'S ON THE GOVERNOR'S SHEARS, THOSE ARE GENERAL ELECTIONS.
EVERYTHING ELSE FROM THAT APPEARS TO ME TO BE A, A SPECIAL ELECTION.
SO IF YOU ONLY HAVE TWO GENERAL, I MEAN, ONE A YEAR, SKIP A YEAR, AND THEN YOU COME BACK TWO YEARS LATER WITH ANOTHER GENERAL ELECTION, AND THAT PRETTY MUCH FULFILLS ALL YOUR COUNCIL OBLIGATIONS AS WELL.
AND SO, LET'S, SO WHEN'S THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION? IS THIS YEAR? THIS YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH, NOVEMBER.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT, WHO THE NUMBER OF VOTERS IN NOVEMBER OF 2024 SETS THE, THE NUMBER FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
THAT PERCENTAGE THEN GETS SET FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, CORRECT? TO, TO BE ABLE TO RECALL ANYONE TO ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND THEN, AND THEN IN 2026, WE'LL RESET THAT NUMBER TO ANOTHER VALUE GENERAL ELECTION.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION I SEEM TO RECALL, AND PLEASE HELP ME IF I'M MISREMEMBERING, THAT WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE LAST TIME ABOUT PEOPLE WHO COULD ACTUALLY SIGN A RECALL PETITION, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT COULD ONLY BE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY VOTED IN THE LAST ELECTION.
IS THAT WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS? NO, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE ADMINISTRATIVELY TAXING INCURRED.
IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO
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DO THAT.IT'S GOTTA BE BASED ON, AND THEN CAN YOU IMAGINE THE SECRETARY HAVING TO VERIFY THOSE, THOSE SIGNATURES? SHE WOULD GO THE WAVE.
SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE? YEAH, FOR THE RE WELL, YOU DIDN'T CHANGE WHAT CHUCK BROUGHT UP.
WELL, I'M, I I'M GETTING THERE.
CAN WE DO THAT NEXT? CAN WE DO THIS ONE FIRST AND THEN BRING UP WHAT, CHUCK? OKAY.
WHAT'S YOUR MOTION, CHUCK? I, I, I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, WE UPDATE THE LANGUAGE OF SECTION SIX TO SAY AT LEAST 10% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERSONS WHO VOTED IN THE PREVIOUS GENERAL ELECTION.
SECOND AND GO ON TO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS THE 2000 MINIMUM.
THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE SECTION SIX POWER OF RECALL? I WOULD, THAT'S CORRECT.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT? UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE STILL NOT, EVEN WHEN WE VOTE ON THIS, WE'RE STILL NOT DONE WITH SECTION SIX, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IN THIS SECTION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 2000 VOTES, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEN WHY ARE WE EVEN DOING A PERCENTAGE? I MEAN, THAT CON THAT'S ALMOST A CONTRADICTION.
IF WE'RE GONNA GO DO 10% OF THE, THE, THE VOTERS IN THE PREVIOUS GENERAL ELECTION, THAT THAT'S ONE STANDARD.
BUT WE CAN'T HAVE LE A MINIMUM OF 2000.
I MEAN, THAT TO ME IS LIKE A CATCHALL.
DO WE REALLY WANNA DO THIS? NO, WE DON'T WANNA DO THIS.
WELL, I THINK, DAVID, WHY ARE WE SETTING A STANDARD OF 10% OF THE, WHY ARE WE GOING THROUGH THAT? IF YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA PUT OUT THERE, BUT A MINIMUM OF 2000? I I THINK I CAN ANSWER.
I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT THE, THE PERCENTAGE WILL BE ALMOST ALWAYS HIGHER.
BUT THERE PROBABLY WAS AN OCCASION AT ONE TIME SOME WEIRD OCCASION WHERE IT WAS VERY LOW AND YOU DON'T REALLY WANT THAT.
IF YOU JUST TAKE A SECOND AND LOOK AT THE TOTALS.
UM, FOR, UH, DOING THAT, LOOK AT 10% OF THE GENERAL ELECTION, NOWHERE, UNLESS, UNLESS I'VE HAD TOO MUCH COFFEE TONIGHT AND I CAN'T ADD, BUT NOWHERE DO I SEE 10% EVEN NEAR THE 2000.
SO IN 20 10% OF 4,656 IS WHAT? NO, THAT WAS THE RUNOFF.
WELL, KEEP IN MIND, BACK WHEN WE WERE JUST HAVING CITY ELECTIONS ON CITY DATES AND BEFORE WE WENT TO THE FOUR YEAR TERMS YEAH.
AND ALL THE CHANGES THAT CAME IN 2005 OR WHENEVER IT WAS.
THE NUMBERS WERE A LOT SMALLER.
SO THE LAST GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER 8TH, 2022 WAS BASICALLY 40,000.
THAT'D BE 4,000, WHICH IS OKAY.
AND THEN ONE BEFORE THAT WAS 54,000.
YOU DON'T SEE US GETTING LOWER.
SO DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IN THE, THE 2000 OR JUST ERASE ANY DISCUSSION OF IT? I RECOMMEND WE JUST LEAVE IT IN.
WELL, IT STAYS IN 'CAUSE THAT, DO YOU WANNA MAKE SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE DO WE HAVE TO? WE'RE NOT.
DO WE REALLY WANT TO VOTE TO KEEP IT AS IS? UM, NO.
CHUCK, NOW NOW WE'RE GONNA GO BACK 'CAUSE YOU STILL WANT TO CLEAN UP SIX.
SO, UM, LET, LET'S SAY ALL THE, YOU GET ALL THESE, WELL, THIS, THIS WHOLE LIST OF PEOPLE WITH THE REQUIRED NUMBER AND, UM, IT'S VETTED AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT A CITY SECRETARY CERTIFIED, ALL THAT, DOES THE ELECTED OFFICIAL IMMEDIATELY, DOES THAT OFFICIAL MUST IMMEDIATELY MOVE OFF LEAVE OFFICE? NO.
IT'S NOT UNTIL THE VOTE'S TAKEN.
AND, AND THIS DOESN'T BAR THAT SAME PERSON FROM RUNNING AGAIN IN THAT SAME POSITION, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT A REMOVAL AT ALL.
IT IT'S BASICALLY IT'S A CALL FOR, AND
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IT'S IMMEDIATE CALL FOR ELECTION OF THAT POSITION.AND I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE, IS WHAT YOU REALLY THINK.
NO, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
IF YOU READ, IF YOU READ BOTH POWER OF THE RECALL AND PROCEDURE FOR RECALL, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA, ONE, SAY YOU'RE GONNA RECALL THE PERSON, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, AND IF THAT PASSES, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ELECTION, UH, FOR THAT POSITION.
SEE, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION WE ALL HAVE.
IS THAT TRUE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS, PROCEDURE FOR RECALL NUMBER SEVEN.
IT SAYS, THERES WHERE IT SAYS THE ELECTED OFFICER WHO HAD BEEN REMOVED FOR ALL FROM OFFICE SHALL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO SUCCEED HIMSELF.
I, I, I JUST THINK WHEN PEOPLE SEE THIS ON THE BALLOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE WHOLE THING.
THEY'RE GONNA SEE SECTION SIX OR A SNIPPET OF IT, AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY IT'S REMOVAL AND THEN, BUT IT IS THEN, WELL, IT IS FOR THE REMOVAL.
THIS REMOVAL, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE ELECTION.
THE ELECTION, THE ELECTION IS CALLED FOR THE REMOVAL OF AN, OF AN OFFICER VOTING POSITION.
IT'S, IT'S MORE LIKE A TERMINATION OF EARLY TERMINATION OF THEIR TERM.
BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NO REMOVED IT'SS REMOVAL.
IT'S A STATEMENT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WENT OUT AND COLLECTED SIGNATURES.
AND THE THE LANGUAGE ON THE PETITION IS VERY SPECIFIC.
SO WHEN YOU SIGNED IT, YOU KNOW THAT YOU WERE SIGNING FOR THE REMOVAL OF EXPOSITION YEP.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S NOT THAT, NOT THAT'S NOT THE REALITY.
THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN ASKING ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
LOOK AT THE LAST SENTENCE OF SECTION SEVEN.
READ THE LAST SENTENCE OF SECTION SEVEN.
THERE'S NO CONFUSION WHEN YOU SIGN THAT PETITION.
AND THEN THEY CANNOT SEEK REELECTION.
THEY CAN'T SEEK REELECTION FOR THAT POSITION.
FOR THAT POSITION INDEFINITELY.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WOULD BE INDEFINITELY OR FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS OR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
NO, THERE'S THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO STIPULATION.
NO, IT'S JUST THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SAME SPOT.
WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE.
I THINK WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS.
DO YOU REALLY THINK A PERSON THAT WAS RECALLED IS GONNA COME BACK AND RUN FOR ANOTHER POSITION? THE PROBABILITY OF THE PUBLIC PUTTING A PERSON IN THAT'S BEEN RECALLED.
I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 40 YEARS AND I FOLLOW RECALLS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A PERSON SUCCESSFULLY RECALLED THEN COMING BACK AT A LATER TIME AND BEING REELECTED.
HAVE THEY EVER BEEN RECALLED? PARDON ME? HAVE THEY EVER BEEN RECALLED? OH, WE HAD RECALLS.
OH, WE HAD, WASN'T THE ONE IN LAMAR.
SO WHO WAS RICK RICO? OH, LYD, UH, RICHARD WEEKS, GA HUMMEL AND ED STELLI.
IT WAS ALL PART OF THE TAX LIMITATION BATTLES BACK THEN.
MOTIONS BE MADE TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS.
ANY DISCUSSION ON, ON IT? YEAH.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I DON'T REMEMBER VOTING ON THE FIRST CHANGE.
OH, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T, OKAY, SO WE HAVEN'T YET.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE VOTING ON ONE AND TWO, THE FIRST CHANGE AND THE SECOND.
THE SECOND ONE WAS A NON CHANGE, CHANGING, CHANGING OF THE 10% OF THE TOTAL PEOPLE THAT VOTED RIGHT.
AND NO OTHER CHANGES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT SECTION THREE REQUIREMENTS IN THE PETITION, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? UH, NO, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ITEM.
IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? SECTION SIX? MM-HMM.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, PLEASE VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
CHUCK, NO, I, I VOTED AGAINST IT 'CAUSE I, I I'M NOT LIKING THAT.
A SMALL PERCENTAGE THE PEOPLE CAN WELL, MOTION PASSED.
I I KNOW IT DID, BUT THAT I'M EXPLAINING WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT.
ALRIGHT, NOW LET'S, IF WE CAN CHAIRMAN, GO BACK TO SECTION THREE.
WE GOT SCREWED UP SOME WAY THEN IN THE RED LINE.
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LINES.IT WAS A RED LINE ON MY COMPUTER.
OH, I IN THIS ONE, UH, 12 OR 31 I HAVE, IT'S IN THERE.
AND, AND MY POINT ABOUT BRINGING THIS UP IS THAT THE RED LINE THAT WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY HAD THOSE CHANGES THAT WE THOUGHT WERE FOR PARAGRAPH FOR SECTION SIX.
THEN MICHELLE PUT 'EM FOR SECTION THREE.
AND THAT'S JUST SEEKING CLARIFICATION IF WHAT THIS COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO AS FAR AS SUBMITTING RED LINES OR WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS THAT I, I'M OPEN FOR ANYTHING.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE HAS GONE FROM 20% TO 10%, AND ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE NUMBER VOTED IN THE ELECTION RATHER THAN JUST REGISTERED VOTERS.
THE, THE PAST GENERAL ELECTION.
SO IT'S BASICALLY ALIGNING TO WHAT WE JUST VOTED ON IN FOR THE RECALL, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE, FOR WHATEVER REASONS HAS A MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED, NOT 2000.
DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT CONSISTENCY? YEAH.
MICHELLE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN TO THE COMMITTEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INITIATIVE AND THE REFERENDUM? UM, THIS, THIS PETITION FOR A, THE INITIATIVE OR REFERENDUM AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE RECALL SINCE THEY'RE IN THE SAME SECTION.
UM, SO PETITIONS AND REFERENDUMS ARE ISSUE RELATED.
UM, REQUESTS FOR ACTION BY THE POPULACE RECALLS ARE LIMITED TO SITTING, THE SITTING, SITTING MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL WHO ARE ACTUALLY ELECTED.
AND SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE OF INTEREST OR CONCERN TO THE COMMUNITY, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, COUNCIL HAS NOT ADDRESSED IT TO THE CONCERN, THEN YOU COULD POTENTIALLY FILE A PETITION AND COMPEL ACTION ON THE PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT IF, IF IN FACT THAT THE CITY POPULACE THOUGHT THAT THE LATEST REALM, OR THE THING THAT POPS INTO MY MIND GREATEST IS WE'LL SAY THE, THE ACTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL TOOK FOR THE BOOK REQUIREMENTS RECENTLY, IT WAS VERY WELL DRAWN OUT FOR WEEKS, MONTHS, WHATEVER.
AND THE ORDINANCE WAS CHANGED AND RECHANGED.
AND IF THE EFFECT OF THAT ACTION, IF THERE IS A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO SEE THAT REMOVED, THEN THAT IS WHAT THIS INITIATIVE OR REFERENDUM COULD DO, IS TAKE AN ACTION, THAT ACTION THAT COUNSEL TOOK OR DIDN'T TAKE AND SAY, OKAY, FINE, WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
WE WANT THAT ACTION NOT TO GO INTO EFFECT.
OR WE'LL SAY THAT YOU WANTED TRAVIS TRASH SERVICE THREE TIMES A WEEK.
YOU COULD GET A PETITION AND SAY, COUNSEL, ENACT THIS CHANGE AND MAKE US HAVE TRASH THREE TIMES A WEEK.
SO THAT, THAT, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF ACTIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE RECALL.
AND IT'S GIVEN POWER TO THE PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH THE COUNCIL DIDN'T SEE IT IN THAT LIGHT.
MIGHT BE THE SAME THING AS JUST TAKE A CURRENT EVENT.
UH, THE LIBRARIAN, THEY COULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT TO AN, THOSE WHO SUPPORTED HER COULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT TO A REFERENDUM, YOU KNOW, TO REINSTATE HER IN CONTRADICTION TO WHAT THE COUNCIL HAD DONE.
DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILLED AND THEY DIDN'T, BUT THEY COULD HAVE.
AND, AND ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE TO BRING ITEMS LIKE THAT TO MAKE ACTION HAPPEN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT THRESHOLD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.
DIFFERENT THAN TAKING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OUT OF OFFICE.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN INITIATIVE AND A REFERENDUM? IT'S NOT TO FIND IN THE CHARTER THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT.
I, I SAID I COULDN'T FIND A DEFINITION FOR IT.
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A, A DIFFERENCE? IS THERE A, A A, A STANDARD OUT THERE SOMEWHERE STANDARD OF WHAT IT IS? I'M SURE THERE IS.OR A COMMON PRACTICE THAT'S BEEN USED BASICALLY FOREVER? NOT, NOT THAT I AM A SCHOLAR BY ANY MEANS.
WELL, YEAH, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT A REFERENDUM IS MORE IS TO, IF THE COUNCIL SITS AROUND HERE TO NEGATE ACTION THAT HAS HAPPENED, TURN DEVELOPERS INITIATIVE WANNA DO TAKE ACTION WHERE ACT NO ACTION HAS HAPPENING, THE PUBLIC CAN CREATE AN INITIATIVE.
AND I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
NO, NO, I'M JUST, YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A, A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
IF THEY DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN THE PUBLIC'S BEST INTEREST, THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO, UH, UH, BRING THAT FORWARD TO CHANGE IT AND OKAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM? I WOULD THINK SO.
INITIATIVE, I DON'T IT REMEMBER AN INITIATIVE.
EVER REFERENDUM THEY FAILED, BUT I JUST DON'T RECALL ANY INITIATIVE.
WE GOT A GOOGLE EXPERT OVER THERE.
UM, WELL, AND FIRST LET ME, LET ME ALSO SAY THIS.
THIS WOULD BE ACTION THAT'S IMPOSED ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, LIKE, CITY COUNCIL IS IN CHARGE OF POLICY AND OVERALL OVERARCHING KIND OF LIKE BUDGET PROCESS, CERTAIN, LIKE, UM, EMPLOYMENT DECISIONS.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WE TALKED, WE REFERENCED THE CITY LIBRARIAN.
THAT'S ACTUALLY FALLS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY MANAGER THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE EXEMPT FROM ANY SORT OF REFERENDUM BECAUSE OUR FORMER GOVERNMENT IS CITY MANAGER, FORMER GOVERNMENT.
THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION INITIATIVE PROCESS ALLOWS CITIZENS TO COLLECT SIGNATURES TO PLACE NEW STATUTE OR AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT.
WHEREAS A REFERENDUM ALSO CALLED A VETO REFERENDUM, IS A CITIZENS VETO ALLOWS CITIZENS TO COLLECT SIGNATURES, TO ASK VOTERS WHETHER TO UPHOLD OR APPEAL IN AN ENACTED LAW.
SO INITIATIVE WOULD BE SOMETHING POSITIVE WHERE POS NOT POSITIVE, NOT SO MUCH IS, IS IT'S A GOOD THING, BUT POSITIVE SO MUCH AS YOU'RE ASKING FOR ACTION.
WHEREAS V TWO IS SOMETHING YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T LIKE THE ACTION OR REFERENDUM.
I, I UNDERSTAND A GOOD EXAMPLE.
AND, AND, AND, AND CHUCK SAYS WE CAN MOVE ON.
WAS THERE A VOTE TO INCREASE IT FROM 100 TO 2000? WE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T, WE, WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET.
THAT STILL A DISCUSSION? WE WERE, I WAS WANTING CLARIFICATION FOR THE GROUP TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING BEFORE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
LET, I THINK WE'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO KNOCK BOTH OF THESE OUT AT ONE TIME.
I KNOW WE HAD A MOTION ON THE FIRST ONE, BUT LET'S GET 'EM ALL TOGETHER.
JUST, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DONE SIX.
I I WOULD SAY THAT, LET'S WORRY ABOUT THREE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'D MAKE A MOTION.
THAT MICROPHONE THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
AND MAKE A MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE SIGNED BY QUALIFIED AND REGISTERED VOTERS OF THE CITY EQUAL IN NUMBER TO AT LEAST 10% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERSONS WHO, WHO DOESN'T MAKE SENSE VOTED IN THE PASTURE, VOTED, VOTE, VOTED IN PREVIOUS GENERAL CITY ELECTION, PROVIDED HOWEVER, THAT THE MINIMUM OF 2000 SIGNATURES BE REQUIRED.
AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? THE ONLY DISCUSSION I'D SAY IS THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE PAST, OTHER PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THE THRESHOLD FOR THIS ACTION SHOULD BE LESS THAN THE THRESHOLD FOR THE RECALL.
AND I THINK THAT YOU COULD GO EITHER WAY IF YOU THOUGHT THAT THRESHOLD WAS TOO HIGH OR TOO LOW.
YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME OTHER PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
AND I'M JUST I KNOW THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
AND I GUESS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO WITH THAT, VOTE AGAINST IT, THAT WOULD BE THE THE ALTERNATIVE.
I WOULD ALSO OFFER, WE HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN THE, UH, CITY NOW THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
NUMBERS MIGHT MORE REFLECT OUR GROWTH.
GROWTH AND, AND WHEN ESTABLISHING STATE, AND UNLESS SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS, I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER GET TO 2000 EVEN, UH, ANYMORE AS, BECAUSE 10% OF THE GENERAL ELECTION WILL ALWAYS PROBABLY TRUMP 2000.
SOMEBODY THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
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YEP.ALRIGHT, THAT BEING SAID, UH, LET'S VOTE.
UNANIM WITH SIX UNANIM ZERO AGAINST SEVEN.
CAN I ASK A LITTLE QUESTION JUST TO YEAH.
DON'T WANT ANY MORE ERRORS? YES, SIR.
UM, WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS COMING UP RECENTLY, ESPECIALLY WITH LOGISTICS RELATED TO ELECTIONS.
THE LANGUAGE ON HERE FOR BOTH REFERENDUM RE CALLS AND INITIATIVES IS THAT IF THERE'S A PETITION THAT'S RECEIVED THAT IS SUFFICIENT, THE CITY SECRETARY HAS A VERY, VERY TIGHT WINDOW TO CALL AN ELECTION, UM, BETWEEN 30 AND 60 DAYS ON BOTH OF THOSE, OR 30 AND 90 DAYS.
ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT TIMEFRAME? DO YOU WANT TO EXPLORE THAT TIMEFRAME? WE CAN, WE CAN EXPLORE IT.
WHEN I SAY THAT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK, I THINK THE TIGHT WINDOW NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR WHATEVER ACTION THAT THE CITIZENS WANT IT TO TAKE.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW THAT IN TODAY'S WORLD, IT'S GONNA TAKE LOGISTICALLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS TO GET AN ELECTION PUBLISHED.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE, FOR THE PUBLISHING AND THE ORGANIZATION OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I DON'T, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT IS.
AND THE VALIDATION OF THE PETITION ITSELF, THAT TAKES TIME.
I THINK THAT'S AFTER THE VALIDATION, I THINK IT IS.
FROM, FROM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I THINK 30 TO 60 DAYS IS TOO LONG.
AND IF SOMEBODY IN CITY GOVERNMENT THINKS, DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME, I'M, MY RESPONSE WOULD BE, WELL THEN GET AFTER IT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON WHAT WE WANT? UH, I THINK IT WAS JUST A COMMENT.
I THINK MICHELLE JUST HAD A QUESTION.
OH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, IT, IT, IT, IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
I I WOULD BE, IT, IT'S GOING TO BE SPORTY TO PROBABLY GET PHYSICALLY NOW WITH ALL THE ELECTRONIC VOTING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF TO ACTUALLY PULL IT OFF.
BUT LIKE CHUCK SAID, IF, IF IT IS, IF IT IS A TOPIC THAT'S SO HEATED IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU ACTUALLY, UH, CALL FOR A REFERENDUM, 10 10% SIGNATURES.
10% SIGNATURES, AND THEY, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT VOTE QUICKLY AND NOT DRAG IT OUT.
LANGUAGE FOR FILLING, FILLING A COUNCIL.
MICHELLE, CAN YOU REMIND US THAT? YES.
WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON TOPIC? I, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I RECALL.
YEAH, I RECALL THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGE AND MICHELLE MADE THE RED LINES.
UM, THIS REQUEST CAME FROM THE MAYOR.
HE WANTED ME TO RAISE THIS ISSUE BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, I THINK THE LAST TIME I, I RECALL THE CONVERSATION AND I THINK THE DIRECTION THAT I RECEIVED WAS, HEY, JUST GO AHEAD AND SEND US LANGUAGE AND WE'LL VOTE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT IT OR NOT.
BUT YOU GUYS WANTED TO AT LEAST KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
SO THIS IS MY ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU JUST SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AND HOW IT WOULD WORK.
WHAT PAGE WAS THAT? SO THAT'S ALL THIS IS.
IT'S PAGE FOUR OF 31, PAGE FOUR.
THIS IS THE ONE THE MAYOR WANTED, RIGHT? THAT LONG ASKED YOU TO, I I THINK, I WOULDN'T SAY HE WANTED IT.
HE WANTED THE COMMITTEE TO EXPLORE AND TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE THE, IF IT WAS INTERESTED OR THOUGHT IT WAS FEASIBLE.
AND I THINK ALONG THOSE LINES, WE PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO RECENT ELECTION COSTS.
SO I THINK WHERE THIS CAME FROM, SOMEBODY CONTRADICT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THE MOST RECENT VACANCY OF MR. BOWEN.
UM, I THINK HE, THERE'S A 12 MONTH WINDOW RIGHT? WHERE THINGS KICK IN, RULES KICK IN.
AND HE ANNOUNCED BEFORE THE 12 MONTH WINDOW, BUT HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY RESIGN UNTIL HE
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WAS WITHIN THE 12 MONTH WINDOW OF THE, HIS POSITIONS ELECTION.SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD THESE, THIS VOTE AND THE RUNOFF THAT WE'VE HAD VERY RECENTLY.
AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE, WE, WE HERE FOR THE DISCUSSION PART OF THIS? YEAH.
MY, MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT I NEVER WANT TO TAKE A VOTE AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE OF WHO'S GONNA BE REPRESENTING AND MAKING DECISIONS.
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, UM, PUT 'EM IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY THERE.
IS THAT, THAT, UM, I WAS SURPRISED THAT WE'VE HAD AS MANY RECALLS AS WHAT WE'VE HAD.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START DOING THAT, I THINK THAT YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THE POWER OF THE CITIZENS AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
SECONDLY IS, IS THAT THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THE MAYOR IS REQUESTING THAT LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE COST.
IS THAT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED IN OUR PACKAGE, RIGHT? UM, UH, THE, THE INVOICES THAT WERE IN OUR EMAIL WAS FOR THE LAST GENERAL ELECTION AND THE RUNOFF THAT CAME TO PASS.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT BETTER THAN $200,000 WORTH OF COST FOR AN ELECTION FOR JUST ONE GENERAL ELECTION.
AND I, I TOOK THAT AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I WOULD GET UPSET AT THAT TOO.
YOU KNOW, THE LAST REMEMBRANCE THAT I HAD ABOUT ELECTION COSTS IN BUDGET TIMES AND IN ACTIVITIES FOR THE CITY.
I'M REMEMBERING THAT 25 TO $40,000 FOR AN ELECTION.
AND, UM, I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, GEE, WHERE DID THOSE DAYS GO? UM, I HAD, I, WHEN I STARTED REVIEWING THE PACKAGE TODAY, I CALLED, UM, ANGIE WALDEN, THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT THAT SENT IT OUT.
AND THEN I GOT MICHELLE ON THE PHONE AND I ASKED FOR WHY THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE TWO AND WHAT THOSE COSTS WERE FROM WHAT I RECALL AND WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
AND MICHELLE, UH, GAVE ME THE, THE THOUGHT THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME LEGISLATIVE CHANGES IN AUSTIN, UM, STARTING IN 19, THE VOTER REQUIREMENTS AND THE ACTIVITIES OF HOW THE VOTING TABULATION HAPPENS THAT INCREASE THE COST OF ELECTIONS OVERALL.
AND THEN THEY AL ALSO, UM, THE COUNTY AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEW MACHINES AND THE COST OF THE NEW MACHINES.
AND LOOKING BACK, MY, IN MY HEAD I WAS CORRECT IS IS THAT IT WAS IN THAT 20 TO $40,000 RANGE IS WHAT AN ELECTION COST.
BUT NOW IN THE, THE RANGE OF 200,000 FOR AN ELECTION, I, I THINK THAT I SHARE THE MAYOR'S IRE AS FAR AS THE COST GOES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE COST I THINK NEEDS TO BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY IN AUSTIN OR THE COMPUTATION IN GALVESTON COUNTY BECAUSE IF THE REQUIREMENTS DID CHANGE, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE.
THEY DID THAT FOR A PARTICULAR REASON.
AND THE, THE REPERCUSSION MAY BE THAT IT COSTS MORE FOR AN ELECTION, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST TO TAKE THAT POWER AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE OR THE VOTE AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK IS, IS FAIR.
I, I BRING THE ATTENTION TO THE INVOICES THAT WERE SUPPLIED.
AND IN THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, IF YOU LOOK IS, IS THAT WE HAD 237,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE REGISTERED VOTERS IN GALVESTON COUNTY AND ARE OF THE ENTITIES CONTRACTED FOR GALVESTON COUNTY TO HAVE, UM, VOTING PRIVILEGES FOR CITY OF LAKE CITY HAD 76,000 WORTH OF VOTER REGISTRATIONS, WHICH IS 32% OF THE, THE VOTING POPULACE THAT THE COUNTY HAD TO SERVE.
AND THEN YOU COME DOWN TO PERSONNEL COSTS AND IT SAYS 124,000 ELECTION SUPPLY IS 112,000 AND COST COVERED BY THE COUNTY IS A CREDIT OF 118.
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I QUESTION HOW THEY ATTRIBUTED THE 118,000 WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE THE COST TO ME IS THAT 235,000, HOW THE 118 IS ALL THE COUNTY'S GONNA PAY.IS IS THAT I QUESTION THE PERSONNEL COST OF 124.
IS THAT 124 OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY OR IS THAT IN JUST LEAGUE CITY'S PERCENTAGE? I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN NOVEMBER THERE WERE MORE ISSUES ON THE BALLOT THAT WEREN'T LEAGUE CITY THAN THAT WAS.
AND AT THIS POINT, AT 118,000 OF THE 230 THAT WAS, THAT WAS CHARGED, THAT'S A BIG PERCENTAGE GREATER THAN THE 32%.
SO TO ME, I THINK THERE'S SOME BILLING QUESTIONS IN GALVESTON COUNTY AND HOW THEY'RE TABULATING THEIR COSTS AND BILLING LEAGUE CITY THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO GO AFTER AND LOOK AT BEFORE WE GET INTO ELIMINATING PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO ELECT OFFICIALS THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE REPRESENT THEM.
NOW, THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE ON ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT I I HAVE COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.
I WAS GONNA SAY IF THAT'S WELL SAID.
YEAH, I I'M SURE THEY HAVE A FORMULA.
WELL, BUT HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS.
CAN I, CAN I OFFER SOME FURTHER INFORMATION THAT I, I, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH AN EMAIL I RECEIVED FROM DIANA AND, AND JUST, UM, THOSE COSTS ARE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONLY ENTITY FOR THESE SPECIAL ELECTIONS WHENEVER WE HAVE TO SELECT SOMEONE TO FILL THESE VACANCIES.
NO, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS THE GENERAL ELECTION WHERE WE HAD REGULAR SEATS.
THIS IS NOT THE SPECIAL OH, I'M SORRY.
BUT THIS CURRENT ONE THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE BILLS.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
AND I'M NOT ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE FOR THE REASONS THAT LARRY JUST SPOKE ABOUT.
ARE WE QUESTIONING THE COST OF DEMOCRACY? YEAH.
THAT IS THE PRICE OF FREEDOM, LITERALLY.
I MAY NOT LIKE THESE NUMBERS, BUT THAT'S THE COST OF ELECTIONS.
AND I THINK IT'S, IF, UH, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHO WE WOULD, WHO THAT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION TO GO AND CHECK WITH THE COUNTY.
ARE THESE CORRECT? AND HOW DID THEY CALCULATE IT? BUT NOT, BUT NOT FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT TOO.
AND THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THAT I, I DON'T KNOW MY, MY, I I AGAINST OR TOWARDS MICHELLE.
IS, IS THAT MICHELLE BROUGHT THIS ITEM IN DIRECTION TO THE MAYOR.
MY COMMENT IS BACK TO THE MAYOR.
MAYBE HE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE COST AND INVESTIGATING THE COST WITH GALVES COUNTY, ACTUALLY NOT THE ZERO OR THE REQUIREMENT WITH THE STATE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THE RED LINE VERSIONS OF SECTION SIX OF THE VACANCIES OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT THE LANGUAGE IS LEFT AS IT IS IN THE, UH, CHARTER TODAY.
I HAVE MOTIONS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? WELL, FOR THE RECORD, I AGREE WITH THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION POINT VERY STRONGLY.
UM, AND FOR THE RECORD, I THERE I COULD SEE THAT, I'M SORRY, I'M BELABORING THIS.
I COULD SEE WE BOUGHT NEW EQUIPMENT.
I THINK ALONG THE WAY WE HAD WHOLESALE CHANGES TO OUR ELECTION THE WAY WE DO IT.
AND I COULD SEE A ONE TIME SPIKE AND IT GOES WAY UP.
BUT I WOULD HOPE IT COMES WAY DOWN, UM, IN SUCCESS OF THE ELECTIONS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, IN THIS LAST ELECTION, I WAS IMAGINING WHAT WE PAYING FOR IN EQUIPMENT PIECES OF PAPER TO GO THROUGH THE MACHINE.
UM, SO I WONDERED ABOUT THAT AND I DIDN'T GET FAR ENOUGH TO ASK THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS, BUT SAID OKAY.
YOU WANNA RESTATE YOUR MOTION REAL QUICK? UH, SO AGAIN, MY MOTION IS THAT WE LEAVE THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS WRITTEN TODAY IN THE CHARTER FOR SECTION SIX.
NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT.
PLEASE VOTE, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU AGREE LEFT HAND IF YOU DISAGREE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER RED LINE CHANGES? GUESS NOT.
THERE'S A LOT OF RED LINE CHANGES.
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MY, MY CONCERN, UM, ONE IS I NEED AN ANSWER TO WHEN YOU GET INTO CHANGING, UM, HIS AND HER FROM HIM OR WHATEVER, UM, FOR THE GENDER CLARIFICATION IN SOME PARAGRAPHS YOU GOT, UH, HIS, HER AND HER AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.I WE JUST AGREED TO MAKE IT ALL GENDER NEUTRAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT, SO WHAT WE'RE TOLD, I, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT ACTUALLY.
SO ALL THESE RED LINES ARE HER TRYING TO DO THAT.
OH, AND WE AND WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REVIEWING WHETHER WE AGREE WITH WHAT SHE SAID OR NOT.
SO THE QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THAT IS THE ONLY PRIOR TO ME MAKING ALL THESE RED LINES, UM, THE ONLY SECTION THAT REALLY HAD KIND OF HIS OR HER EVERYTHING ELSE WAS GENERALLY MASCULINE.
UM, I WILL SAY THERE IS A CATCHALL PROVISION AT THE END OF THE CHARTER THAT SAYS ANYTHING THAT IS MASCULINE IS ALSO ASSUMED TO ALSO APPLY TO THE FEMININE AS WELL.
THAT BEING SAID, THE ONLY INCONSISTENCY WHERE IT'S KIND OF HIM OR HER IS IN A SECTION APPARENTLY THAT WAS ADDED AFTER THE FACT ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER AT THAT POINT.
THAT EXISTING LANGUAGE THERE HAS HIM, HER, HE, SHE IN THERE.
AND SO ONE OPTION IS, INSTEAD OF ME GOING THROUGH AND LIKE MAKING EVERYTHING GENDER N TOOL, WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE EVERYTHING OR MAKE THE CITY MANAGER SECTION MASCULINE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE CATCHALL PHRASE AT THE END THAT MAKES THE INFERENCE.
SO, AND AND TO THAT POINT, WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS IS THAT I ASKED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE, THE, THE FIRST MEETING WAS I BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT THE GENDER NEUTRAL ACTIVITY AND WHY IT WASN'T, AND DON'S COMMENT WAS THE SAME AS WE HAD TO CATCH ALL AT THE BACK.
AND I SAID, WELL, SHOULD WE THEN AT THAT POINT LOOK AT MAKING WHATEVER CHANGES WE MAKE? BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE, UM, ON THE BALLOT EVERY PARAGRAPH WHERE WE HAVE A CHANGE, WE WON'T.
UM, WE HAVE OUR OPTION ON HOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE BALLOT LANGUAGE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN PREVIOUS, UH, CHARTER ELECTIONS.
WE DID HAVE RED LINE LANGUAGE.
ACTUALLY ONLY WHERE IT'S REQUIRED IS A QUESTION THAT CAN BE ANSWERED IN A YES OR NO.
SO YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN CRAFT THE ACTUAL ITEM TO BE VOTED ON AS SAYING SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, YOU KNOW, MAKE ALL REFERENCES TO GENDER CONSISTENT OR MAKE ALL REFERENCES TO GENDER NEUTRAL.
I MEAN, YOU CAN KIND OF, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM ON HOW YOU WANT TO APPLY IT DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT.
MR. DOE DIDN'T SAY THAT MR. DO WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, THAT MY, I REMEMBER THE ANSWER THAT WE GOT WAS WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE WHAT IT SAYS IN THE CHARTER IS, IS THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS GONNA BE ON THE BALLOT.
AND THAT GETS VERY EXPENSIVE WHEN YOU START TRYING TO LIST ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT WELL SECTIONS.
AND I THINK THE REASON WAS IS BECAUSE I THINK ON ONE OF OUR COM, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEES, WE MADE A STATEMENT THAT SAYS WE WANTED TO DO THIS.
AND THEN WHAT ENDED UP IS THE LANGUAGE WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE REALLY INTENDED.
AND SO THEN THE NEXT CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE WERE LIKE, WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT LANGUAGE ACTUALLY IS SO THAT THERE'S NO FUZZ ON WHAT THAT CHANGE IS BECAUSE, AND SO MICHELLE, WHAT HAD TO HAPPEN WAS, I RECALL SOMEBODY DID A BROAD, HEY, CHANGE EVERYTHING TO NEUTRAL.
UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT PROBABLY ISN'T A BIG DEAL, BUT, AND THEN WHEN THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE GOT PUT INTO THE CHARTER, IT WAS LIKE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE MEANT.
AND, AND THE QUESTION THAT WAS ANSWERED BY THE VOTERS DIDN'T ACTUALLY REFLECT WHAT ENDED UP BEING IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER.
WELL, 'CAUSE THE, THE PROCESS IS, IS THAT THE VOTERS VOTE ON THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, BUT THAT'S NOT FINALIZED UNTIL YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT COUNCIL APPROVES AFTER THE ELECTION.
AND THE ORDINANCE CONTAINS THE RED LINES.
APPARENTLY WHAT HAPPENED IS THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE BALLOT LANGUAGE AND THE ORDINANCE THAT WENT TO COUNCIL.
AND THE ORDINANCE HAD THE RED LINES.
AND ONCE THAT PASSED, THEN IT GOES TO OUR PUBLISHERS TO UPDATE OUR CHARTER LANGUAGE.
AND SO I THINK IN THE PAST, THE REASON WE CHOSE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE RED LINES IS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SIDESTEP THAT ISSUE.
SO THERE WOULD BE FULL TRANSPARENCY.
THAT IS CERTAINLY ONE WAY TO DO IT.
THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DO IT AS WELL, INCLUDING NOT INCLUDING THE RED LINE LANGUAGE.
SO I'M, I'M PERSONALLY TOTALLY OPPOSED TO HAVING SOME GENERIC STATEMENT BECAUSE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD IN PREVIOUS CHARTER REVIEW, UH, COMMITTEES AND VOTES.
UM, SO, AND I RE AS I RECALL, WHAT WE VOTED ON EARLIER, UH, IN THIS COMMITTEE WAS WHERE WHEREVER WE'RE WE THE CHARTER, WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE SOMETHING.
THAT'S WHERE WE MAKE IT GENERAL NEUTRAL AND
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NOWHERE ELSE.AND, AND WE LEAVE THE CATCHALL IN AT THE BO AT THE VERY BACK FOR THE PARAGRAPHS THAT WE DIDN'T, I'M NOT AWARE THAT ANYONE'S EVER TALKED ABOUT AND DURING THIS COMMITTEE THAT CHANGED THAT.
BUT, BUT WE WERE LEAVING THAT, I MEAN, WE, WE WERE ONLY GONNA MAKE A GENERAL NEUTRAL ON ANYTHING THAT WE WERE OH, AFFECTING THE CHANGE MOVING FORWARD.
OH YEAH, LIKE, LIKE IN THE RECALL, IF THERE IS ANY I GOTCHA.
GENDER IDENTIFICATION IN THE RECALL SECTION.
WE WOULD THEN AT THAT POINT MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS THERE IN THAT PARAGRAPH.
AND THEN I, IT MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN YOUR IDEA, MIKE, BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME.
WELL, YOU BROUGHT IT UP ORIGINALLY.
I'M SORRY, I AM NOT FOLLOWING THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE MOVING FORWARD AS WE AMEND DIFFERENT SECTIONS, WE WILL UPDATE IT TO BE GENERAL NEUTRAL.
SO THAT WOULD INEVITABLY HAVE FOR A WHILE A HODGEPODGE OF YES.
CONSISTENCY IS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL BE NICE.
YOU TALK LIKE THAT TO YOUR WIFE.
WELL IF IF THEY DON'T WANT IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT ANYMORE.
SO HOW, HOW WOULD, WHAT ARE WE DOING? HOW WOULD THAT WORK? HOW WOULD IT WORK? WELL, I I THINK IT, IT IT WOULD BE IS THAT YOU LEAVE THE CATCHALL SENTENCE THAT YOU WERE TAKEN OUT.
THAT'S, AND THEN IF IN FACT THAT WE'RE CHANGING, SO FAR WE'RE CHANGING TWO, TWO SECTIONS I GUESS.
IS THAT THE ONLY TWO? WELL, THERE'S A FEW OTHERS, BUT YEAH, I GUESS A HANDFUL WITH, WITH THE OTHER RED LINE CHANGES.
YOU WERE TAKING OUT THE 2013 AND 2015 TOO.
SO ONLY ON THE SECTIONS THAT WE'RE DOING OTHER CHANGES ON YES.
ON THOSE CHANGES WILL BE, WILL CHANGE ANYTHING TO GENDER NEUTRAL.
FOR PROCEDURE, FOR SECTION SEVEN PROCEDURE FOR RECALL, THERE IS A GENDER AREA IN TWO PLACES.
AND IN THAT, THAT, IN THAT INSTANCE, WHEN WE CHANGE, WELL, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT ONE.
ARE WE THE RECALL SECTION THREE? YEAH.
THEN THAT SECTION WOULD BE CHANGED.
BUT NOT ANYTHING IN ARTICLE FIVE, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY QUICKLY GO THROUGH HERE AND SAY, AND SHOW.
SO WE WOULD HAVE NO CHANGES UNTIL PAGE THREE.
RIGHT? WELL, PAGE SIX OF 31 MAYBE.
BECAUSE THREE WE'RE NOT CHANGING SIX OH OH OR YEAH, PAGE THREE.
I THINK IT'S PAGE SIX, RIGHT? PAGE SIX WAS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING A, A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE OUTSIDE OF GENDER.
'CAUSE WE'RE ON ON 17 ON THE BONDS, RIGHT? ON THE BONDS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, PAGE SIX IS WHERE WE, WHERE WE WERE TAKING OUT THE REQUIREMENT FOR $5,000 SAYING IT WAS, WE NEED TO NOT ESTABLISH A FIXED AMOUNT BECAUSE RIGHT.
IT COULD GO UP OR DOWN, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALSO DOING 17, RIGHT? YES.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN, IN, AND WE'RE DOING THE BOND UP THERE AS WELL.
SO THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE PAGE 10 OF 31.
DO WE, DO WE WANNA LOOK? I I, I SUGGEST MAYBE WE ALSO, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH HEARING ANYWAY, LET'S AGREE TO THE LANGUAGE THAT MICHELLE HAS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH
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THAT WOULD BE EFFICIENT.SO WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO PAGE, PAGE SIX.
THAT'S A SUB SUBSTANTIVE, SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING GIVE A GOOD AND SUFFICIENT BOND.
YOU'RE REMOVING THE OF NOT LESS THAN 5,000.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, MS. TI IS LEAVING AT SEVEN.
WHAT DO YOU I'M SORRY, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? SO ON WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? ON PAGE SIX? SIX OF 31.
I, I WAS JUST SAYING WE MIGHT, AS, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH WE MIGHT AND CHECKING THE HIS OR HER, WE MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE HER RED LINE LANGUAGE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, I MEAN, I LIKE WHAT SHE HAS ON THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF 17, COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT ALL MEMBERS OF CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSION BY A MAJORITY VOTE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO AT THE, AT THE LAST ONE.
AND THEN ON 18 FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE THE BOND, MEL? YEAH.
DO YOU WANNA CHANGE THAT TO COUNCILMAN, TO COUNCIL MEMBER? I DIDN'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU WANTED TO TAKE THE GENDER NEUTRAL THING.
THAT'S WHERE I PICKED UP ON IT.
MOST OF ALL, I WAS HOPING TO ELECT A WOMAN.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ON MICHELLE, YOUR LANGUAGE IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY ON THE, ON 17 WE JUST REMOVED THE 5,000, BUT ON 18 WE REMOVED THE 5,000 AND ADDED THE LANGUAGE WITH THE BOND AMOUNT DETERMINED BY CITY COUNCIL.
UM, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN 17, IT SAYS THE AMOUNT TO BE FIXED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WAY.
CITY COUNCIL CAN SET IT AT ZERO OR WHATEVER AMOUNT.
IT'S, IT, IT IS, YOU'RE MAKING IT CONSISTENT.
TRYING TO, YEAH, NO, I, I, UM, I'M WITH YOU NOW.
SO I THINK THE CHANGES THAT MICHELLE MADE ON 17 AND 18 LOOK GOOD TO ME.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN, SO WE WOULDN'T DO ANY OF THE, HIS HERS ON SEVEN.
AND SO MICHELLE, WHERE'S THE NEXT SUBSTATIVE 10, PAGE 10 OF 31, PAGE 10, 9 0 9 IS HIS AND HERS.
WELL, BUT WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
NUMBER 10, 10 OF 31 SECTION ONE.
NOW YOU'RE REMOVING THE CONSECUTIVE UNIFORM ELECTION.
BUT THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT'S IN THERE IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE, WE HAD THAT SWITCH OF THE YEAH.
AND IT CAN STAY OR YOU CAN TAKE IT OUT.
NO, WE, WE VOTED TO TAKE IT OUT.
AND I WILL REMOVE THE SECOND HER, I THINK ON, ON THE OTHER TWO.
I THINK IT WAS A, I DID A REPLACE FUNCTION AND, AND WORD, AND I THINK IT, IT ADDED A DUPLICATE.
IT WAS ALREADY HIS AND HERS AND YOU AND WHERE IT SAYS HIS.
I, THAT'S WHY IT HIT SOME AND NOT OTHERS.
UM, YEAH, LARRY, I THINK WE VOTED TO TAKE THAT OUT TO MAKE IT SENSE.
I JUST BACK, I LOOK AT EXPANDING THE, THE, ON SECTION 18, PAGE SIX.
WHO PAYS FOR THOSE BONDS? CITY DID.
WE RECENTLY HAD A CHANGE, I THINK IN THE LAST CHARTER.
THE CITY SECRETARY PAID HER OWN BOND AND WE HAD A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO THAT CITY COUNCIL.
SO NOW CITY, THE CITY PAYS ALL BONDS AND I THINK IT INCLUDES CITY SECRETARY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING A BOND THAT I HAD.
MAYBE THEY DIDN'T DO THE APPLICATION FOR YOU.
IT'S LIKE A LITTLE ONE PAGE THING YOU FILL OUT.
FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THE CITY SECRETARY HAD TO, IT'S, AND WE CHANGED THAT.
DIANE, HER WHO DID REMEMBER? YEAH, YOU JUST SAID, DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT SUE SECRETARY PAID HER OWN BOND? UH, UH, PRE, UH, USED TO BEFORE THE, THE LAST CHARTER ELECTION.
YEAH, WE CHANGED IT LAST TIME.
BECAUSE WE ALL QUESTIONED WHY SHE HAD TO PAY HER OWN AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S CITY PAID.
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MICHELLE, WHAT, AFTER PAGE 10? UM, UH, IT'S PAGE 12 IS THE TOP.SO THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE GOOD.
WELL, THAT LANGUAGE IS GONNA CHANGE, BUT YES, WE VOTED ON THAT.
WE WE CHANGED IT TO 2000 ALSO.
YES, I HAVE THAT, I HAVE THAT NOTE ON HERE.
BUT THERE'S NO, HE, HER, HE, HE IN THAT SECTION, I DON'T SEE ONE.
SO YEAH, SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANY GENDER.
AND THEN IN SIX WE'RE CHANGING THAT NOW ON PAGE 13, SIX.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING IT TO 10% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS, OR EXCUSE ME, OF PEOPLE THAT VOTED IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
SO IF THERE IS A HE HER THERE, I DON'T SEE ONE AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE IS.
WHEN'S THE NEXT ONE? UM, THERE'S ONE NUMBER SEVEN.
BUT WE'RE, WE WON'T, SHE WON'T MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
UH, OR, OR SHE'LL DELETE THOSE.
SO THE NEXT ONE OF A SUBSTATIVE CHANGE, IT'S GONNA BE PAGE 25 OF 31, I BELIEVE.
SECTION SEVEN, JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
YOU KNOW, I'M SURPRISED THAT WE NEVER CAUGHT THAT.
AND I THINK THE NEXT ONE IS 32, BUT I THINK BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE, I YOU WILL NOT BE ACCEPTING THAT PARTICULAR CHANGE.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE, YOU'LL LEAVE IT AS IS FOR THE PARAGRAPHS.
I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH ONE MORE HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
I HAD ON A NOTE IN THE MINUTES THAT I CHECKED THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE TO UPDATE THE BUDGET TIMELINE TO REFLECT WHAT THE CITY ACTUALLY DOES.
THAT'S THE NOTE I HAD IN, IN, IN THE MINUTES AS WELL.
I DID CHECK WITH OUR BUDGET FOLKS REGARDING THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER, AND THEY FELT THERE NO CHANGES NEEDED AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT AND IT MATCHED WHAT THEIR CURRENT PROCESS IS.
SO I DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES ON THAT ISSUE, BUT I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU AS TO WHY I DIDN'T FORGET IT.
UH, SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE RED LINE VERSIONS THAT MICHELLE PUT IN OUR PACKET, EXCEPT FOR THE GEN GENDER CHANGES THAT WERE MADE OUTSIDE OF THE SUBSTANTIVE, YOU, YOU CAN SAY ACCEPT CHANGES WITH THE AMENDMENTS DISCUSSED AND VOTED ON TONIGHT.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION, MR. MILLIKEN? SECONDS THE MOTION? ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS IF YOU AGREE.
I SECONDED IT WITH MY LEFT ONE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THERE ARE NONE.
[4. DISCUSSION REGARDING NEXT MEETING DATE ]
TO ZERO.DISCUSSION REGARDING NEXT MEETING DATE.
WHAT'S LEFT? NOW THIS IS THE TOUGH QUESTION.
I CAN SEND UPDATED RED LINES TO YOU TOMORROW.
IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT GETTING RIGHT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN CALL ANOTHER MEETING AND DISCUSS IT.
IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED IN THAT DIRECTION AND WE CAN COUNT ON YOU TO, TO, UH, FOR ALL THAT'S HAPPENED, TO PUT TOGETHER A SHORT BRIEF REPORT TO GIVE TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, I ABSOLUTELY, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT FOR YOU.
SO WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT SHE WROTE.
AND, UH, AUTHORIZE IT AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
UM, PRESUMABLY THE, THE REPORT WOULD BE SIGNED BY, I GUESS THE CHAIR IF YOU AGREE WITH IT.
NEVER SIGNED TO WRITE IT FOR YOU SIGNED ONE BEFORE, BUT, OKAY.
AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S IN THE FORMAT OF AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
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TOO.IT SHOULD COME FROM THE COMMITTEE.
I I THINK, I THINK THE WHOLE COMMITTEE HAD A LOT TO DO WITH IT.
I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD SIGN THE SUMMARY THAT GOES TO COUNCIL.
JUST AS A, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE THAT WE ALL AGREE.
WOULD EVERYONE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH A WHO SHOULD I WORK WITH ON, ON THE WORDING OF THE MEMO? DO YOU, DO YOU JUST WANT ME TO KIND OF SEND A BLIND COPY AND PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES? THEY CAN EMAIL ME BACK.
I, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND WORKING WITH YOU.
I, I, I THINK SO WE, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST DOING IS THERE WAS A SUMMARY BRIEFING THAT WE ACTUALLY GAVE TO COUNCIL.
UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED IT AT A COUNCIL MEETING, UH, FOR, FROM THE LAST ONE.
THEN MY INTENTION IS TO DRAFT SOMETHING.
I WILL SEND IT TO THE COMMITTEE.
I WILL LET YOU GUYS HAVE A WEEK OR SO TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
ASSUMING I DON'T HEAR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS FOR EDITS.
THEN AT THAT POINT, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CIRCULATE THE DOCUMENT VIA DOCUSIGN? DOES EVERYONE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO COME IN AND SIGN AN OLD FASHIONED STYLE? THAT'S GREAT.
IT GONNA DO THAT OR ORIGINAL STYLE? EXCUSE ME.
LET'S HAVE A MEETING SOMETIME IN THE NEXT MONTH TO AUTHORIZE THAT AFTER WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT AND THEN WE CAN SHIP IT OFF TO 'EM.
SO ONE MORE MEETING? YEAH, ONE MORE MEETING.
SOMEBODY PICK A DATE THAT I DON'T DO ANYTHING SO I CAN COME ANYTIME MONDAY OR THURSDAY.
NEITHER'S LARRY, I'LL LIKE MONDAYS, I MEAN, SO HERE HERE WE GO AGAIN.
OR CHANGE IT UP WEDNESDAY AND WHOEVER GOES TO CHURCH GETS A PASS.
OR WE COULD HAVE IT ON A FRIDAY AND HAVE IT OVER COCKTAILS THAT SOME LOCAL MIKE HAS A BEER COMPANY.
SO WE CAN GO WHERE HE GOES AND THEN I LIKE, I LIKE THAT IDEA.
DOES THAT WORK FOR ANYONE? THAT'S FINE.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH Y'ALL DOWN HERE? YES SIR.
WHO? DAVE'S STILL LOOKING WHAT TIME? SIX O'CLOCK.
WE CAN GO AS EARLY AS FIVE IF THAT WORKS.
IT JUST CAN'T BE EARLIER THAN FIVE.
OH, MARCH 14TH, IS THAT WHAT WE SAID? MARCH 14TH AT SIX O'CLOCK.
AND REALLY, IT SHOULD NOT BE A LONG MEETING.
10 MINUTES AT THE MOST, UNLESS LARRY TALKS.
OR CHUCK TALKS AND, AND I THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD FEED US ON THEIR OWN DIME, BUT SO IS THIS A JOINT CITY COUNCIL? NO.
WE CAN TALK THAT NIGHT ABOUT IF WE WANNA BREAK IT UP AND GO PRESENT IT TO 'EM LIKE WE DID LAST NIGHT.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOW THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS THERE'S LIKE A, IF COUNCIL ACCEPTS IT, THERE'LL BE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT'S PREPARED IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION WILL BE DIRECTING STAFF TO INCLUDE VARIOUS PROVISIONS OR ON THE NEXT ELECTION BALLOT.
AND THEN AT A LATER DATE AFTER THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE AN ELECTION ORDINANCE THAT'LL HAVE ALL OF THE BALLOT STUFF, INCLUDING ANY ELECTION STUFF AND THE CHARTER ELECTION THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL.
WHAT TIME IS ONE 15 BABY? WE'RE OH, UM, YOU NEED TO DISMISS THIS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE THINGS I.