[1. Call to order and roll call of members]
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NOW, IS IT MIKE WORKING NOW? THEY, THEY TURNED IT ON AT SIX O'CLOCK.
OKAY, THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA, UH, WOULD BE TO, UH, HAVE A ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS.
RUTH MORRISON IS NOT HERE, AND WE'LL SHOW HER IS ABSENT.
SO WE'LL CALL A MEETING TO ORDER.
[2. Approval of February 5, 2024, minutes]
FIRST THING THAT, UH, ACTION ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WOULD BE THE APPROVAL OF THE FE FEBRUARY 5TH, 2000, 24 MINUTES.YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED COPIES OF THOSE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS ON THAT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN THOSE AT THIS TIME.
IF NOT, WE'LL JUST CONSIDER THOSE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
[3. Citizen Communication]
THIRD, UH, ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WOULD BE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.AND WE WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS POINT.
IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT HAND, UH, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO WAIT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ANYBODY WANT TO TALK JUST IN GENERAL? YEAH.
TELL US WHO YOU ARE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, I LIVE AT, UH, ON, UH, TEXAS AVENUE.
UM, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS SOME KIND OF BIG DEAL GOING ON TONIGHT.
I JUST CAME TO ASK ABOUT, UH, OR REQUEST A, UH, SIDEWALK ON TEXAS AVE.
THERE'S, UH, A COUPLE OF CHURCHES AND A SCHOOL AND A LOT OF KIDS GO UP AND DOWN THAT, AND IT'S QUITE A NARROW STREET.
BIG TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKES ONE, UH, UH, DISTRACTED DRIVER.
SO,
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IF IT CONNECTED TO WALKER STREET, THAT WALKING PATH THERE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE GOOD.
MARK, UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT? OKAY.
YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT OR CHRIS? OKAY.
SO WE'RE NOT ALL GONNA KNOW WHAT THEY SAY.
THIS IS A CITY ENGINEER AND, AND PLANNING DIRECTOR.
SO HE'S, HE, UH, HOPEFULLY WILL GET SOME ANSWERS TO HIS QUESTIONS AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
THEN, UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMUNICATION PART OF THE, UH, AGENDA.
[4. Public Hearing and Action Items]
NEXT THING AND ITEM FOUR, PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION ITEMS. ITEM A IS HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, ON ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION MAP 23 0 0 0 7 STELLA, BESS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.7 ACRES FROM CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO PS PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, AND CONSIDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON THE SAME PROPERTY TO ALLOW A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, BETTER KNOWN AS A-B-E-S-S, A PRIVATE UTILITY USE TO OPERATE ON PROPERTY LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING A PORTION OF BLOCK 45 OF THE LEAGUE CITY TROPICAL GARDENS SUBDIVISION, GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF CAROLINE STREET AND SOUTH OF FARM TO MARKET ROAD 6 46.WE'LL OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 0 3.
MARK, YOU WANNA TELL US, UH, WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? YES, SIR.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, TELL US WHO YOU TELL EVERYBODY WHO YOU ARE TOO.
FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MARK LINEMAN.
I'M THE PLANNING MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF LAKE CITY.
THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS SOMETHING NEW.
UM, AS YOU'VE SAID BEFORE, IT'S A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, OR IN SHORT, IT'S CALLED A BEST.
UM, IN GENERICALLY, IT'S BASICALLY ONE OR MORE DEVICES THAT'S, UH, TYPICALLY A GROUP OF BATTERIES THAT ARE SYMBOL ASSEMBLED THAT ARE CAPABLE OF STORING ENERGY TO SUPPLY AT A FUTURE DATE.
SO, AND, AND THE VERY BASICS IS THAT A, A BEST SITE WILL RECEIVE ENERGY, UH, TYPICALLY FROM A POWER SUBSTATION.
IT WILL STORE THAT ENERGY IN THE BATTERIES.
AND THEN AT A LATER TIME, EITHER, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE MARKET CONDITIONS ARE, YOU KNOW BETTER WHEN IT, WHEN IT NEEDS THE ENERGY, SUCH AS WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, INCLEMENT WEATHER SUCH AS EXTREME HEAT OR EXTREME COLD.
THAT ENERGY IS THEN SENT OUT OF THE BATTERIES AND BACK INTO THE GRID TO SUPPORT THE GRID.
UM, STAFF HAS HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH SEVERAL OF THESE SITES OVER ABOUT THE PAST TWO YEARS.
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AS IN OUR RESEARCH, IS THAT THE CONSISTENT PATTERN IS THAT THESE SITES TEND TO BE LOCATED NEAR THE SUBSTATIONS, UH, THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS.AND THAT'S WHERE BASICALLY HIGH, HIGH POWER ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SEE IN THE OVERHEAD WIRES IS STEP DOWN, UM, FOR POWER THAT IT'S FOR LOCAL DISTRIBUTION, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE THE, THE LOCAL NEARBY CONNECTION BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO DO INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH TEXAS, MEXICO, OR THE LOCAL SUB UH, STATION.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT IS LOCATED NEAR THE FM 6 46 SUBSTATION, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE CITY.
UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARDS TO THIS REQUEST, UM, THIS BEST IS REQUESTING BOTH A REZONING AND SUP.
AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE THE USE IS CLASSIFIED AS A PRIVATE UTILITY, AS SUCH BY RIGHT WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT'S ONLY PERMITTED WITHIN THE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, THE PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, AND THE OPEN SPACE ZONING DISTRICTS.
UH, AN ODD, UH, FACT OF IS RIGHT NOW LEAGUE CITY HAS NO GENERAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
SO AS A RESULT, THEY'RE REQUESTING A LIMITED INDUSTRIAL FOR A PORTION OF ABOUT A FIVE AND A HALF ACRE PROPERTY.
UH, TO, AND TO HAVE THIS PROPOSED BEST SITE, AS YOU CAN'T SEE ON THE SCREEN, IT IS LOCATED SOUTH OF FM 6 46 EAST OF CAROLINA AVENUE, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF WHERE YOU KIND OF SEE THE END OF SOUTH SHORE HARBOR BOULEVARD.
UM, WITH THAT, THEY ARE PROPOSING A 1.7 ACRE REZONING, AND, AND THE SUP FOR THE ONLY ONE, ONLY THE 1.7 ACRES, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO RETAIN THE REMAINING, UH, ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY TO THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT THEY CAN DEVELOP THAT AS COMMERCIAL.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LAND USE LAYOUT, UM, THE 1.7 ACRES IS KIND OF HIDDEN AWAY FROM THE BACK SO THAT IT IS LOCATED BOTH AWAY FROM FM 6 46 AND, UH, CAROLINE AVENUE.
UH, THIS SUPPORTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IDEAS THAT YOU KNOW YOU ARE GONNA NEED AND, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT IS BASICALLY KIND OF ONE OF THOSE HIDDEN KIND OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SITS IN THE BACKGROUND AND SUPPORTS.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM, UH, THAT YOU'LL SEE IS, UM, THE EXAMPLE OF THE BUFFERY YARD.
SO, AS INDICATED, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS, WE DID, UH, IDENTIFY OR WORKED WITH, ESPECIALLY THE FARM MARSHALL'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS OURSELVES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME NUISANCES, WHAT ARE SOME ISSUES THAT KNOWING WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON.
FROM PLANNING'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE LOOKING AT LIKE, WHAT ARE SOME VISUAL ISSUES, WHAT MIGHT BE SOME AUDIBLE ISSUES? SO WE DID WORK WITH THEM, UH, ABOUT CREATING A LANDSCAPING PLAN AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS AN ONSITE UTILITY POLE.
OBVIOUSLY, IF, IF YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A BATTERY, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, YOU ARE GONNA NEED SOME ELECTRICAL POWER.
UM, SO AS SUCH, UM, BASED ON THIS DISCU DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, THESE ARE SOME ILLUSTRATIONS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THIS VIEW IS FROM CAROLINE AVENUE, AS WELL AS THE VIEW, UM, RENDERED VIEW FROM FM 6 46.
SO AS I MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, SEVERAL FACTORS THAT STAFF DID CONSIDER WAS ONE LOCATION.
THIS IS TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT, BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, INDU LIMITED INDUSTRIAL SUPPORTS THAT GENERAL COMMERCIAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SETS KIND OF ITSELF OFF WITH REGARDS TO, UM, CONSISTENCY.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO A LITTLE BIT, WHAT I WAS MENTIONING ABOUT THE SUBSTATIONS, THOSE SUBSTATIONS AROUND LAKE CITY ARE ALREADY ZONED PUBLIC, SEMI PUBLIX AS WELL.
UH, LIFE AND SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, THAT'S WHERE OUR, UM, COLLEAGUES WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE HELPED, UH, OUT IMMENSELY WITH, UM, HAVING MANY, MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE VARIOUS BEST LOCATIONS.
THE VISUAL NOISE IMPACTS, AS, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, DECOMMISSIONING AND SURETY INSURANCE AND BONDING.
SO THESE ARE ALL IDEAS, UH, THE DECOMMISSIONING, THE SURETY, WE'RE MAINLY DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING NECESSARILY NOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
LIFE OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT TYPE PROCESS, UM, FROM OUR RESEARCH AND, AND TALKING WITH THE VARIOUS, UH, BEST FACILITIES THAT ARE INTERESTED, THE SITES IN GENERAL ARE, IF THEY'RE NOT REPOWERED AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS, IS IT A, A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A BEST SITE IS ABOUT 20 TO 25 YEARS.
SO BASED UPON THE INFORMATION, UH, PROVIDED STAFF'S FINDINGS ARE AS FOLLOWS, THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE REZONE IS AWAY FROM CAROLINA
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FARM TO MARKET ROAD 6 46.AND TO SUPPORT THE NEARBY COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, THE PROPOSED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LEAK CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE PROPOSED SUP WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO THE LOC LOCAL ELECTRICAL GRID, THE EXHIBITS FOR THE, FOR THE PROPOSED FACILITY TO SCREEN THE SITE FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, NORTH, AND EAST, UH, WITH A WALL AND LANDSCAPING.
UM, THERE WOULD BE NO DISCERNIBLE EFFECTS ON TRAFFIC.
UM, THAT IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THIS WILL BE MONITORED OFFSITE THROUGH SIMILARLY TO PIPELINES, THAT THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE SOMEONE IN THERE ABOUT ONCE A MONTH, EVERY SIX WEEKS TO GO ON SITE, UH, FOR NO MORE THAN ABOUT EIGHT HOURS.
SO BASICALLY THERE'S, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THAT SITE.
HOWEVER, THAT WILL CHANGE AS THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE SITES DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, THOSE IMPACTS WILL BE DISCUSSED AS THAT PORTION OF THE SITE DEVELOPS.
AND THEN THE LAST PART IS THE ESTIMATED, UH, TAXABLE VALUE OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY.
UM, AS YOU SAW, AS YOU READ IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, WE DID DO A COMPARISON AS, AS CLOSE AS WE COULD WITH THE INFORMATION RELATIVE TO TAXABLE VALUES, BOTH ACROSS TEXAS AND WITHIN GALVESTON COUNTY.
AS A RESULT, STAFF DOES, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, OF THE REZONING FOR THE 1.7 ACRES AND THE SUP WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS BASICALLY A SUMMARIZE OF THAT.
THE FIRST ONE DEALS WITH THE, THE SUP TIMEFRAME.
THEY, UH, HAVE ABOUT 24 MONTHS TO WORK WITH THE TIMEFRAME.
NUMBER TWO IS THE LIMITATIONS OF THE USE.
AGAIN, THIS IS FOR A PRIVATE UTILITIES.
FOR THE SUP NUMBER THREE, THE SITE WILL BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LEAGUE CITY COVO ORDINANCES.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE FOLLOWING UP WITH MAKING SURE THEY HAVE THE, THE WALL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADDRESSING THE NEW NUISANCES SUCH AS THE WALL, THE LANDSCAPING, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
RECOMMENDATIONS, AGAIN, LIFE SAFETY ISSUES.
UM, NUMBER FIVE, CONDITIONS PRIOR TO OPERATIONS.
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE DECOMMISSIONING, THE BONDING, THE INSURANCE, MAKING SURE THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN OR YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THINGS ARE COVERED AND THAT, THAT IT IS BEING ADDRESSED.
UM, THE CONDITIONS OF THE DECOMMISSIONING, UM, AS AGAIN, THAT'S THE DECOMMISSIONING.
CONDITIONS PRIOR TO OPERATIONS, SO THIS IS REFERRING TO THE EAP, WHICH IS THE EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN.
THAT'S, AGAIN, PART OF THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
THAT WAY THE PLAN IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO THIS SITE SO THAT THEY WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
SO SHOULD THERE BE AN EVENT OR SOMETHING ELSE, CITY STAFF, UH, IS WELL AWARE OF WHAT NEEDS TO OCCUR.
AND THEN THERE'S ALREADY LINES OF COMMUNICATION, THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN AND DECOMMISSIONING BOND.
AGAIN, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, FORWARD THINKING IDEAS.
HEY, WHEN YOU, WHEN IT'S TIME THAT THE LIFE IS, UH, EXPECTANCY OF THIS SITE IS UP, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF SOMETHING IS, UM, AN ISSUE WITH THE COMPANY THAT DECOMMISSIONING NOT BOND IS THERE TO HELP KIND OF SHORE UP TO MAKE SURE THOSE ACTIONS OCCUR.
AND THEN NUMBER SEVENTH IS THE VARIANCE TO THE, THE PERMIT OF THE OVERHEAD LINES ON SITE THAT IS DUE.
UH, AS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE OVERHEAD LINES ARE BEING REQUESTED BECAUSE OF, UM, SUPPLY ISSUES.
AND ALSO, UM, STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE IS THE, THE MAJOR OVERHEAD POWER LINES.
SO THAT BASICALLY IT, IT IS HAVING THE BACKING OF THOSE HIGH POWER, UH, TRANSMISSION CORRIDOR.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE FIRE MARSHALS OFFICE.
WE HAVE A LIST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO, TO SPEAK YES, FOR ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT OR THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, I THINK WE, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE, WE'VE ALREADY OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, I THINK, WE'LL, WE WILL TALK, LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK FIRST SO THAT WE CAN GET A CLEAR PICTURE.
TELL, GIVE US A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE EXISTING VEST THAT WE HAVE.
SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE SITE, WE HAVE THESE, ALL THESE ARE, ARE ALL THE STIPULATIONS AND ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THE SAME FOR THAT AS A, AS IT IS PROPOSED ON THIS ONE.
SO THE FIRST, BEST, FIRST AND ONLY BEST SITE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT A 10 MEGAWATT SITE OFF OF FLOYD ROAD IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE CITY.
UM, THAT ONE, BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A ONE-OFF, AND THAT WAS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE, UM, WITH IT BEING KIND OF THE FIRST ONE, A LOT OF WHAT LED TO WHERE THE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AND, AND PROCESSES THAT WE, I JUST WENT THROUGH IN THIS PRESENTATION WERE STARTED WITH THAT.
UM, AND SO BECAUSE OF THE ZONING, IT JUST, THAT'S WHY I DID NOT GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN, WITH LEAGUE CITY BEING ZONED, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OTHER SITES THAT WE'VE TALKED WITH, THEY MAY HAVE
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AN SUP, THEY MAY NOT, IT JUST ALL KIND OF FALLS WITH WHAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY THEY'RE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING ON WITH RESPECT TO ZONING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED.UM, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, FLOYD ROAD SITE, NORTHWEST CORNER, AND THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE TEXAS NEW MEXICO SUBSTATION.
I, I DROVE OVER THERE YESTERDAY AND IT TOOK A LOOK AT IT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT, THAT IT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT NEAR AS BIG AS WHAT THE PROPOSED SITE IS HERE, I THINK.
NO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTERESTING THING.
AND, AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE VERY SMALL SITES AND SOME HAVE VERY LARGE SITES IS ALL DEPENDENT UPON WHAT THAT PARTICULAR, UM, PARTY WHO COMES AND TALKS TO US HOW THEY WISH TO DEVELOP THAT.
WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN WE WILL HAVE, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND, AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THE, UH, AUDIENCE AS WELL.
YOU WANNA TELL US WHO YOU, WHO YOU ARE, WHO YOU REPRESENT, AND WHO YOU ARE TRYING TO YES, SIR.
I'M THE HEAD OF DEVELOPMENT FOR STELLA ENERGY SOLUTIONS, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING IN THE HOUSTON AREA FOR JUST OVER TWO YEARS.
UM, TEXAS GROUP, WE ACTUALLY, I WAS THE DEVELOPER ON THAT PREVIOUS SITE ON FLOYD ROAD WITH A, A DIFFERENT ENERGY STORAGE DEVELOPER NAMED BROADREACH POWER THAT DID THE VERY FIRST BATTERY SITES, UH, ON THE DISTRIBUTION NETWORK IN TEXAS.
SO WE FORMED OUR OWN GROUP AFTER BROADREACH GOT SOLD TO A LARGE FRENCH COMPANY.
AND, UH, NOW WE'RE DOING THIS ON OUR OWN INSTEAD OF, UH, FOR SOME PRIVATE EQUITY GUYS.
SO, YEAH, THIS SITE, UH, JUST TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MARK, UM, DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS SITE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
UM, ONLY FOR THE, THE DIFFERENCE BEING THE FLOYD ROAD SITE IS 10 MEGAWATTS.
THIS SITE IS PROPOSED AT 10 MEGAWATTS, BUT IT'S A TWO HOUR SYSTEM.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE, THE SITE CAN OUTPUT 10 MEGAWATTS OF POWER FOR TWO HOURS INSTEAD OF THE FLOYD ROAD SITE, WHICH WAS ONLY ONE HOUR.
AND THAT JUST IS BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY FOR THE BATTERY SYSTEMS HAS IMPROVED TO WHERE ABLE, YOU'RE ABLE TO, TO, UH, WITH, WITH A RELATIVELY SMALL INCREASE IN SIZE, KEEP THE, UH, A DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF POWER OUTPUT.
SO THESE SITES ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, AGAIN, WHAT MARK ADDRESSED IS PROVIDING POWER WHEN THE, THE OPTIMUM CONDITIONS EXIST, WHICH IS HIGH HEAT, VERY EXTREME COLD WEATHER THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN TEXAS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO USED TO BALANCE LOAD ON THE ELECTRICAL GRID IN ERCOT.
SO THE REASON YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE SITES POP UP IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE SOLAR AND WIND GENERATION, THAT'S KIND OF BLOWN UP IN TEXAS, THESE BATTERY SITES ARE ABLE TO DO, UM, THOSE ARE VARIABLE GENERATION SOURCES.
AND THE BATTERY SITES ARE ABLE TO BASICALLY LEVEL THE FREQUENCY THAT THE GRID HAS TO OPERATE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE LOCAL AREAS WHERE WE'RE OPERATING IS THERE'S LESS LIKELY OF A CHANCE THAT ERCOT WOULD LOAD SHED A SUBSTATION IN THE AREA WHERE A BATTERY IS LOCATED.
'CAUSE THE ELECTRONS LIKE TO TRAVEL THE SHORTEST PATH THAT THEY, THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
SO THERE'S A DUAL BENEFIT ON RESERVE POWER WHILE ERCOT STILL GETS TO DI DICTATE WHERE THAT POWER GOES.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THE ADDED BENEFIT OF THESE ANCILLARY SERVICES IS WHAT THEY CALL THEM IN THE MARKET, WHICH IS, UM, FREQUENCY REGULATION AND RESERVE SUPPLY.
THAT THE BATTERIES CAN RESPOND VERY, VERY QUICKLY TO EITHER A INCREASE IN DEMAND OR AN OVERSUPPLY THAT'S ON THE MARKET.
SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE TEXAS ENERGY THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GENERATED AT ALMOST THE CHEAPEST RATE IN THE NATION, YOU CAN ABSORB SOME OF THAT ENERGY AND THEN SEND IT BACK INTO THE GRID AT A LOWER COST TO THE CONSUMER.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, HEAR FROM THE, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC AND, AND YOU MIGHT WANNA LISTEN TO THIS BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE YES, SIR.
FIRST PERSON ON THE LIST IS, UH, MO YOUNG
AND AS YOU COME UP, IF YOU WILL, UH, TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU REPRESENT AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
IF YOU LIVE IN LEAGUE CITY AND, UH, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
AND IF YOU COULD LIMIT YOUR PRESENTATIONS TO THREE MINUTES, START THE TIMER RIGHT NOW.
I'M A RESIDENT OF LEAGUE CITY.
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ALSO DIRECTOR ON MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT NUMBER 45 ATTORNEY HERE IN TOWN.BUT LIKE I SAID, MOST IMPORTANTLY HERE, A RESIDENT OF LEAGUE CITY, UM, I'M RAISING, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, IN SHORT ORDER.
I THINK IT'S ALL RISK, NO REWARD.
UM, I, I WANT TO FIRST THANK THE PLANNING STAFF OF THE CITY FOR ADDRESSING SOME OF MY LARGER CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO END OF LIFE ISSUES.
I MEAN, THIS IS A PRIVATE ENTITY IF THEY GO UNDER WHO'S GONNA BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG TO DECOMMISSION THIS SITE.
UH, THE FIRE ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN HIDDEN LAKES JUST ACROSS THE ROAD, THERE ARE CERTAINLY A CONCERN OF MINE AS WELL, BUT EVEN BY THEIR OWN PUBLICATION, THIS WILL ONLY POWER IN THIS CATASTROPHIC EXAMPLE OF A POWER GRID FAILURE, 200 HOMES THAT DOESN'T EVEN POWER, UH, HIDDEN LAKES WITH MORE THAN, THAN 800 HOUSEHOLDS ACROSS THE, THE, THE WAY THERE.
SECONDLY, UM, AS YOU HEARD, ERCOT DICTATES WHERE THIS POWER GOES.
SO THERE'S NOT EVEN A REAL GUARANTEE THAT THIS POWER IS GONNA BE USED LOCALLY, BUT YET ALL THE RISK IS GONNA BE BORN LOCALLY BY US.
SO I JUST, I JUST THINK IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S AN, IT'S A BANDAID FOR AN AMPUTATED LEG.
IT'S NOT GONNA SOLVE OUR PROBLEM HERE LOCALLY.
AND YET WE'RE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ALREADY TAKING ALL THE RISK.
UM, TYPICALLY, GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNINCORPORATED AREAS.
I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF LANDOWNERS DOING WHAT THEY WILL WITH THEIR LAND.
BUT HERE WE'RE COMING INTO A DEVELOPED CITY LIKE LEAGUE CITY WITH, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE FOLKS LIKE YOURSELVES VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT PLANNING.
AND I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND OUR CONCERN ABOUT HAVING A FACILITY LIKE THIS, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE EFFECT OF USE LIFE IS.
YOU HEARD 20, 25 YEARS, EVEN IF WE EXPECT THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT'S LEAGUE CITY GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 20, 25 YEARS AND WHAT'S THIS AREA? WHAT DEVELOPMENT ARE WE HINDERING BY PUTTING THIS FACILITY WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE IT DOES TODAY.
I THINK WE CAN ALL RECOGNIZE THAT FACT.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, I, I, I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER NOT APPROVING THIS SPECIAL, UH, PERMIT.
AND AGAIN, THANKS TO THE CITY STAFF, BUT I THINK THE END OF LIFE ISSUES HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY ADDRESSED.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOING TO, UH, ADOPT THOSE.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL, UH, NOT APPROVE THIS PERMIT.
NEXT WOULD BE, UH, IKE WINFIELD, UH, GOOD EVENING STAFF AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.
I'M, UH, LIVE IN HIDDEN LAKES AND ON THE, THE BOARD OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
THERE, UH, AFTER HEARING ABOUT THIS, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE OPERATION OF THE LITHIUM ION BATTERY PLANT WITH THE LONGEVITY OF THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF UNKNOWN THINGS ABOUT IT.
UH, THERE'S NO MENTION OF, UH, THE OCCUPATIONAL SAFE AND HEALTHY ADMINISTRATION RULES AND REGULATION THAT THAT MAY BE APPLICABLE TO THIS.
BUT MY CONCERNS ARE ABOUT THE MARKETABILITY OF OUR HOMES AND THE APPRAISAL VALUES IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS TYPE OF, UH, FACILITY WILL IMPACT THE AREA OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, I KNOW THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY BE SEEKING TO MOVE INTO, OR REAL ESTATE AGENTS ARE AWARE OF THIS TYPE OF FACILITY BEING THERE.
IT MAY INFLUENCE SOMEONE'S DECISION ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE INTO, UH, HIDDEN LAKES OR NOT, BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG QUESTION MARK THERE IN REGARDS TO THE SAFETY, THE LONG-TERM BENEFIT VERSUS, UH, THE HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS THAT MAY EXIST.
UH, WE MAKE PROMISES THERE, BUT I WOULD FEEL I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING, UH, SO CLOSE TO THE HIDDEN LAKE SUBDIVISION.
UH, I, I WOULD SAY I, UH, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, MUCH FURTHER AWAY, BUT I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE LOCATION OF THE FACILITY, UH, THE UNKNOWN OF THE LONG TERM ASPECTS OF HOW IT MAY IMPACT, UH, UH, THE CITY, OUR RESIDENTS, AND, AND THE, UM, SUBDIVISION AS WELL.
JIM DOOZY, WHAT I DO, PRESS THE GREEN BUTTON.
IS THAT, HOW IS THAT HOW IT GOES? OKAY.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE HOA AT HIDDEN LAKES, AND I'M VEHEMENTLY AGAINST THIS WHOLE PROJECT.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY I, I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THESE, UH, MEETINGS BEFORE ON THIS ISSUE.
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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ESS SYSTEM, AND FORGIVE ME FOR READING THIS, BUT MY MEMORY'S NOT LIKE IT USED TO BE.UH, AN ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, OFTEN ABBREVIATED AS ESS IS A DEVICE OF GROUP OF DEVICES HAVE ASSEMBLED TOGETHER, CAPABLE OF STORING ENERGY AND ORDER SUPPLY ELECTRICAL ENERGY AT A LATER TIME.
THAT ONE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BASED, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
THERE ARE SOME OF US THAT CAN'T HEAR.
THERMAL RUNAWAY IS A TERM USED FOR THE RAPID UNCONTROLLED RELEASE OF ENERGY FROM A BATTERY CELL.
IT IS A CONDITION WHEN A BATTERY CREATES MORE HEAT THAN IT CAN EFFECTIVELY DISSIPATE.
THERMAL RUNAWAY IN A SINGLE CELL CAN RESULT IN THE CHAIN REACTION THAT HEATS UP NEIGHBORING CELLS.
AND THESE THINGS ARE GONNA BE LINED UP IN A, IN A BIG BOX.
AS THIS PROCESS CONTINUES, IT CAN RESULT IN A BATTERY FIRE OR EXPLOSION.
THIS CAN OFTEN BE IGNITED, UH, OR IGNITION SOURCE, UH, FOR LARGER BATTERY FIRES.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT TOXIC FUMES.
NOW, WHEN THESE THINGS GET GOING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN CONTROL IS THE WIND, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TOXIC FUMES BLOWING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GOING TO BLOW.
THE CLOSEST HOUSE THAT I MEASURED FROM, UH, FROM THIS, UH, UH, UNIT TO OUR HOUSE, TO, UH, HIDDEN LAKES RATHER, WAS 1037 FEET, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS, UH, IN LEAGUE CITY ENABLED AT THIS MOMENT.
AND, UH, THAT CAN POSSIBLY CONTAIN A FIRE OF THIS MAGNITUDE.
UM, NOTHING AGAINST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE I, I'M A FORMER FIRE, FIRE TO MYSELF.
I SPENT 20 YEARS, UH, FIRE, 23 YEARS FIREFIGHTING FOR THE AIR FORCE.
AND, UH, I READ THIS ONE THING HERE ABOUT, UH, A FIRE IN, UH, O OAHU IT FOR, ON THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF UNIT, TOOK 'EM 13 HOURS TO PUT IT OUT.
AND EVEN AFTER 13 HOURS, EVEN ON THE 36TH HOUR, IT REIGNITED.
AND, UM, THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH FIRES.
AND AS YOU'VE, ANY OF YOU EVER SEEN A CAR FIRE, AN ELECTRIC, UH, VEHICLE, CAR FIRE, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS GO UP LIKE CRAZY.
AND THE CHIEF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE THE PROPER, UM, SUPPRESSION SYSTEM TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND, UH, SHARON NEWSY, I, SHE SHOULD BE, I'M SHORTER.
UM, SHARON NEWSY HIDDEN LAKES, I'M JUST A RESIDENT, UM, ABBOTT BIRD WATCHER AND ALSO IN CHARGE OF LANDSCAPING 625 ACRES WE HAVE THERE.
UM, LEMME START BY SAYING THIS.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COMPANY THAT'S PLANNING ON PUTTING THIS IN HAS ANY IDEA OF HOW MANY RESIDENTS ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE AREA.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE TUSCAN LAKES, WHICH IS VERY LARGE, WHISPERING LAKES, WHICH IS VERY LARGE.
UM, A VERY BIG SCHOOL SYSTEM WITH AN ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL LARGE POPULATION RIGHT THERE AS WELL AS MARBELLA.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE POPULATION THAT THE WIND WOULD BE A MAJOR FACTOR IF WE HAD A CATASTROPHIC MELTDOWN OF ANY TYPE.
AS YOU, AS THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA KNOW THAT THE WIND BLOWS A LOT AND SHIFTS A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO KNOW ANY GIVEN DAY WHICH WAY THAT WIND'S GOING TO SHIFT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO PUT A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN HARM'S WAY.
THE OTHER THING I DON'T THINK YOU'RE AWARE OF IS WE HAVE FOUR MAJOR LAKES IN HIDDEN LAKES.
BECAUSE I AM A BIRD WATCHER, I HAVE WATCHED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AS THOSE HOMES HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, THE INCREASED POPULATION OF MIGRATORY BIRDS AND NATIONAL AUDUBON WILL BACK ME UP THAT NOW EVERY DAY I'M GOING OUT AND CAPTURING PHOTOGRAPHS OF BIRDS I'VE NEVER SEEN.
LAST WEEK I SAW FOUR FLOCKS COME OVER OF 500 LANDING ON OUR LAKES TO FEED AND REST THERE.
AND THEY TAKE OFF MORNING AND NIGHT.
THIS OCCURS USUALLY FROM FEBRUARY TO APRIL AND IN THE FALL FROM AUGUST TO NOVEMBER.
SO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS ANY OFF-GASSING OR ANY TYPE COULD DESTROY THE WILDLIFE THAT WE HAVE THERE.
WE ALSO HAVE A SNAPPING TURTLE, WHICH I'VE RESCUED ONCE FROM CROSSING THE ROAD.
AND TEXAS A AND M WANTS ME TO GET HIM CAGED SO THEY CAN
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TAG HIM.SO WE HAD A LOT OF WILDLIFE IN THE AREA THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE HARMED IF WE HAD ANY PROBLEMS THERE.
UH, I HOPE THIS COMPANY IS ALSO AWARE THAT THEIR DRAWING MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OFF SINCE 6 46 IS GOING TO BE WIDENED THAT WOULD THEN PLACE THEIR BEST FACILITY MUCH CLOSER TO THE HIGHWAY.
THAT IS A MAJOR ARTERY FOR TRAVELERS GOING ON VACATION TO GALVESTON AREA AND ALSO TO KEA AND ALL THE AREAS ALONG THAT 1 46 CORRIDOR.
OH, ONE OTHER THING I NOTICED IN HIS PRESENTATION, HE TALKED ABOUT COMPLYING WITH LEAK CITY ORDINANCES.
I COULD NOT FIND AN ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH BEST OPERATIONS, EITHER CONSTRUCTION SITE, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, REGULATIONS FOR EMERGENCIES.
HOW WILL THE PUBLIC BE AFFECTED? WHAT PROCESS WILL THEY GO THROUGH IF WE GET A HURRICANE THROUGH HERE? I DON'T SEE A LEAK CITY ORDINANCE.
I SAY MR. I, I, WHAT DOES THAT SAY? CHURCH, CHURCH, CHURCH.
I'M A RESIDENT OF HIDDEN LAKES.
I AM ALSO THE BOARD PRESIDENT OF MUD 45.
UM, I AM VEHEMENTLY AGAINST THIS PROJECT ALSO, UM, LITHIUM BATTERIES, UH, GRAPHITE, COBALT, MANGANESE.
THEY'RE KNOWN TO CATCH ON FIRE.
THERE ARE MANY RECORDED INSTANCES AROUND THE WORLD OF THESE BATTERIES.
THEY'RE LOCKED IN THESE, USUALLY THE AVERAGE SIZE OF A BEST IS 20 FEET BY EIGHT FEET, BUT THEY COME IN VARIOUS SIZES.
UM, AND THEY'RE PACKED FULL OF THESE BATTERIES.
SO, AS THEY WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THERMAL RUNAWAY, UM, ONCE THESE THINGS GET GOING, THERE'S TOXIC FUMES COMING UP.
AS EVERYBODY MENTIONED, OUR WINDS NORMALLY COME FROM THE GULF RIGHT FROM THE SOUTH, SO THAT'S GONNA BLOW RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF HIDDEN LAKES AND ALL THE SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I HAVE A, I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A HURRICANE, RIGHT? SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE A HURRICANE BLOWING AT A HUNDRED, 150 MILES AN HOUR AND 12 INCHES PLUS OF RAIN COMING DOWN, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK WATER'S NOT GONNA GET INTO THESE CONTAINERS AND CAUSE A PROBLEM? THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
AND WATER AND LITHIUM BATTERIES DON'T MIX.
MOST OF THE WORLD'S LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE MADE IN CHINA.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE SAFETY PRODUCTS ON THOSE.
UH, SO AGAIN, I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UH, THERE IS A PUBLIC WEBSITE CALLED STORAGE WIKI.EPRI.COM.
IT LISTS ALL OF THE BEST FAILURES IN THE WORLD THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE 2011, AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, EVEN LAST SUMMER IN NEW YORK, IN A THREE MONTH PERIOD, THEY HAD FOUR BEST FIRES.
AND THE GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK MADE A COMMISSION TO FIND OUT WHAT THE HECK WAS GOING ON.
UM, I'M GONNA NOT TRY TO REPEAT SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
I REALLY WANTED TO ATTEND THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING THAT WE HAD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT WAS THE SAME NIGHT AS A BOND ELECTION MEETING, INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
I KNEW ONE OF THESE WOULD HAPPEN.
SO I WENT TO THE BOND ELECTION INSTEAD.
UM, A FIRST THING I'M GLAD THAT, UM, MS. SHARON BROUGHT UP WAS WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT IN THE SYSTEM, WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH WHERE EVERYTHING WAS LOCATED, I'M A TEACHER, FORMER TEACHER, AND I STARTED THINKING ABOUT, I TAUGHT AT DICKINSON ISD, AND I'VE TAUGHT AT C-C-I-S-D, AND I STARTED COUNTING JUST SCHOOLS WITHIN THAT CERTAIN AREA.
AND THEN I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T THINK ANYBODY LISTENS TO Y'ALL'S MEETINGS, BUT I AM THE CRAZY PERSON WHO I ACTUALLY LISTEN TO PNZ, THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CITY COUNCIL.
AND NOW I'VE EVEN GONE ON TO THE GALVESTON'S COURT COMMISSION.
SO I LISTENED TO Y'ALL, SO I WAS LIKE, YAY, I GET TO SEE EVERYBODY.
BUT I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER IN THAT SAME PIECE
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OF PROPERTY, AND I'M HOPING SOMEONE CAN TELL ME, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HOPING SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THESE.'CAUSE I WASN'T AT THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING, IS I, I REMEMBER ONE OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND THERE, UM, THE DEVELOPER OF WHISPERING LAKES WANTED TO, I THINK, BUILD SOME MORE HOMES OR HAVE IT REZONED FOR SOMETHING, AND IT WAS DENIED.
AND SO I'M THINKING, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, HOUSES.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M HOPING SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME THAT IF IT WAS HOMES, BUT NOW IT'S AN, WE CAN REZONE IT FOR AN INDUSTRIAL SITE, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A BIG GAP THERE THAT WE NEED TO FILL.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK UP.
UM, THE OTHER THING WAS, MINE WAS HAD TO DO WITH THE FIRE BECAUSE MY HUSBAND WORKS IN A REFINERY AND THEY DEAL WITH FIRES AND THIS TYPE OF CONCERN ALL THE TIME.
AND MY BIGGEST THING IS FOR MY BACKYARD, I CAN SEE, UH, STATION SIX, I THINK THE BRAND NEW ONE.
I CAN SEE IT FROM MY BACKYARD.
AND I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT STAFFED 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER.
AND WHEN I WAS READING OVER THE LITERATURE ABOUT FOR SAFETY OF, IN THE PACKET OF WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE, UM, THE EQUIPMENT, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THE TRAINING, ARE WE GONNA PROVIDE ACTUAL MORE MEN OR PER PEOPLE TO BE ON THAT SITE? BECAUSE WHEN I READ IT, IT SAID A TECHNICIAN WOULD BE, WOULD BE ABLE TO ARRIVE WITHIN AN HOUR.
WELL, IF ANYBODY'S SEEN ANY SORT OF TYPE OF ELECTRICAL FIRE, A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN AN HOUR.
AND IF ONLY THAT EQUIPMENT IS STORED AT STATION NUMBER SIX AND IT'S NOT MANNED, HEY, I GOTTA RUN BY STATION NUMBER SIX REAL QUICK ON MY WAY OVER THERE.
LIKE, I SEE A LOT OF LOGISTICAL THINGS THAT JUST, OH, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE WERE GONNA DO, BUT IN PRACTICUM WHEN WE REALLY NEED THEM, HOW ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS THESE ITEMS? BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE KNOW, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT.
YEAH, BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT, PEOPLE AREN'T, IT'S NOT STAFF.
24 HOUR DAYS, 7, 3, 6, 5 DAYS A WEEK.
I THINK HE WAS THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE FIRST.
HMM? NICK WAS THE FIRST GENTLEMAN.
MY NAME IS LAURA TEITSWORTH AND I AM THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE LEAGUE CITY, HOA ALLIANCE.
IF YOU LIVE IN LEAGUE CITY, YOU LIVE IN AN HOA, THIS IS A PIG WITH LIPSTICK ON IT, AND YOU TAKE OFF THE LIPSTICK, IT'S STILL A PIG.
AND YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT EITHER ONE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE.
OR TWO, THEY HEARD ABOUT IT LAST MINUTE AND THEY DECIDED TO COME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A COMMUNICATION ISSUE HERE WHERE NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT.
UM, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HIDDEN LAKES LIVE IN HIDDEN LAKES BECAUSE OF THE LAKE ATMOSPHERE.
IT'S AN AREA PURPOSED TO BE AN AREA OUTSIDE AND AWAY FROM THE HOUSTON LIFESTYLE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE.
MANY OF US ARE CONCERNED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INTRUSION ON SAFETY FOR A PAID FOR LIFESTYLE IN A SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WILL BE HAZARDOUS, IT'LL BE VISUALLY UNAPPEALING.
AND PEOPLE WHO MOVE HERE MOVE HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE HOUSTON.
WE DON'T WANT A BATTERY STORAGE UNIT IN THIS AREA.
THERE ARE DANGERS THAT COULD POSE, THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THE SAFETY OF THE SOIL, THE AREA AND THE RESIDENTS.
AND THERE'S NO WAY TO GUARANTEE IT OTHERWISE.
WE ARE ASKING FOR YOU TO DENY THIS PERMIT.
YOU ARE GOING TO END UP FORCING SOME RESIDENTS TO LEAVE FOR A NICER, UNOBSTRUCTED LIVING ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY PLANNED ON HAVING HERE AS THEIR FOREVER HOME.
AGAIN, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO DENY THIS PERMIT.
HIDDEN LAKES IS NOT THE PLACE.
MARK, YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP AND, UH, I THINK THAT THAT CONCLUDES THE, THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS.
AND I'LL ASK THE ATTORNEY, IS IT A PRO, IS IT
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PROPER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN, UH, HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE, WITH THE COMMISSION? YES.GENERALLY WE INQUIRE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT YOU CAN CLOSE IT.
AND THEN YOU'RE OF COURSE FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF EITHER STAFF, THE APPLICANT, OR ANYONE ELSE.
BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO SO AT, WITH AS BEING CHAIR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DESIGNATE WHO YOU WANNA HEAR FROM E EXACTLY.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS NOT SPOKEN TO THE COMMISSION THAT, THAT HAS THE DESIRE TO DO SO? WELL, IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE, OH, I'M SORRY.
I'M A RESIDENT OF LEAGUE CITY.
I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF, UH, THE ADDITION THAT THESE OTHER FOLKS HAVE BEEN.
HOWEVER, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS UNTIL I HEARD SOME OF THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THESE, UH, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES, BUT A LITHIUM ION FACILITY IS JUST NOT TIME TESTED.
AND AS SUCH, I DON'T FEEL IT SHOULD BE LOCATED NEAR SCHOOLS AND RESIDENTS.
UH, THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT ARE MUCH LESS, UH, HAZARDOUS TO THE COMMUNITY OR THE LONG-TERM.
UH, BIO WASTE AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
UH, OR HAZARDOUS WASTE, EXCUSE ME, SUCH AS COMPRESSED AIR.
HAVE THESE BEEN CONSIDERED INSTEAD? AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU WANNA TELL US WHO YOU ARE? OH YEAH, I GUESS THAT'D BE GOOD.
I LIVE AT 2207 DOVE HAVEN LANE.
UH, I'M CURRENTLY ON CITY COUNCIL HERE.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS MORE FOR STAFF.
HOW DO THE, HOW IS THE FIRE SUPPRESSANT THAT SEEMS TO BE A, A LARGE CONCERN.
HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED TO SEE IF WE CAN KIND OF DISSIPATE ANY FEAR TO AT LEAST ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS? UH, LEE DARROW, ASSISTANT FIRE, MARSHAL CITY, LAKE CITY.
COULD YOU IDENT JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND TELL US WHO YOU REPRESENT? SURE.
I GUESS I'M NOT ALLOWED ENOUGH.
UH, LEE DARROW AND THE ASSISTANT FIRE MARSHAL FOR THE CITY OF LAKE CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE BEST WAY WITH THE BEST KNOWLEDGE I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS THESE SYSTEMS ARE BEING SOLD AS A, UH, PRETTY MUCH A, A TIGHT CONTAINER.
EVERYTHING IS KEPT IN ONE CONTAINER.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY SEPARATED WITHIN THAT CONTAINER.
SO YES, YOU MIGHT HAVE, SAY THERE'S 50 BATTERIES IN THERE JUST FOR A NUMBER.
THEY HAVE THAT CONTAINER SEPARATED DOWN, OR YOU MIGHT ONLY HAVE EIGHT OR 10 IN EACH SPOT.
SO THE THERMAL RUNAWAY IS NOT GONNA GET VERY FAR.
UH, IT'S BASICALLY FOR THE MOST PART OF THE AIRTIGHT CONTAINER, IT'S MADE TO BE CONTAINED IN THERE.
UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SELLING 'EM TODAY THAT NOT TO PUT WATER ON 'EM AND TO LET IT DO ITS THING AND KIND OF BURN OUT INSIDE.
UH, THAT BASICALLY FOR THE SUPPRESSION SIZE THAT ANSWER WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, JUST FROM THE, FROM THE LAYMAN'S POINT.
WE HAVE, I'M SORRY, MINUTES, IF YOU COULD SPEAK SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY.
SO WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, PUT COMPARTMENT TOGETHER, I KNOW THAT ONE PERSON HAD ASKED ME THAT THEY SAID, AND THAT THAT HEAT FROM THESE, UH, LITHIUM BATTERIES IS, IS ALMOST LIKE A TESLA WHERE YOU, THEY DON'T PUT IT OUT.
SO IS IS THAT SOMETHING THESE FIRE SUPPRESSANTS, THAT EVEN IF IT GETS THAT HOT, IT'S GOING TO BE CONTAINED? IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CONTAINED, YES.
I'VE GOT DEPUTY, DEPUTY
SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CATCH A COUPLE THINGS I MISSED.
I'M A DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL HERE.
I'M ALSO THE PLAN REVIEW REVIEWER FOR THE CITY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, THERE ARE A LOT OF PRECAUTIONS.
NOW, KEEP IN MIND IS ONE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT THIS ISN'T TESTED.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS AND WENT THROUGH DIFFERENT CITIES AND LOOKED AT THEIR ITEMS. WHAT HAVE THEY NOT THOUGHT ABOUT? WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING EITHER, BUT WE'RE
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WORKING ON, ON BEING MORE COMPREHENSIVE WITH IT.WITHIN THE INSIDE THERMAL RUNAWAY, THEY HAVE PRECAUTIONS THAT ARE IN THERE, WHETHER THEY'RE TESTED OR NOT.
ALL WE CAN GO BY IS WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE.
TWO YEARS AGO, THERE WAS ABOUT TWO PARAGRAPHS IN THE CODE THAT RELATED WITH THESE ITEMS. NOW THERE IS AN ENTIRE CHAPTER RELATED AND IT STRICTLY SAYS THAT, HEY, THIS, THIS TYPE OF PRODUCTION OF THESE ITEMS IS STILL BEING TESTED.
SO ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AREN'T THERE YET EITHER.
SO, BUT WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO PREVENT THAT WE'RE NEITHER EITHER FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO SAY, THIS IS ALL WE CAN DO.
AS FAR AS THE FIRE SUPPRESSION THAT HAD MADE A VERY GOOD POINT.
IS THERE THINGS WE HAVE SET FORTH FOR THEM TO DO IS, HEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON CALL.
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH EQUIPMENT.
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THESE INDIVIDUALS WITH THE VOLUNTEERS THAT, THAT DO WORK HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRAIN THEM AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AN ONSITE AND A REVIEW MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THESE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE END OF 25 YEARS.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT.
WE WANTED, UH, GAS MONITORING SO WE COULD MONITOR THOSE THINGS.
NOT THAT WE CAN PREVENT IT FROM GOING ANYWHERE, BUT WE COULD MONITOR IT AND HAVE PRECAUTIONS FOR EVACUATIONS OR WHATEVER IT WAS NEEDED, EARLY DETECTION, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE GASES THAT, THAT ESCAPE FROM THERE WITHOUT A FIRE.
SO WE WANTED ALL THAT COVERED.
WE WANTED THE PERIMETER CHECKS.
I MEAN, WE DID AS THE BEST THAT WE COULD AS THAT FOR THAT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT TESTED ITEMS. THESE ARE ALL, 'CAUSE THE GROWTH OF THIS INDUSTRY IS OUTWEIGHING IS, IS, IS GOING A LOT FASTER THAN WHAT THE, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE SET FORTH THAT WE HAVE NOW.
DOES THAT ANSWER Y'ALL'S QUESTION? OKAY, GOOD.
IS THAT, UH, IS THAT EVERYBODY THAT, THAT WANTS TO, UH, WANTS TO TALK IN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 47.
MATT LONGORIA, RESIDENT OF HIDDEN LAKES AND UM, I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, BATTERY FACILITY IN, IN THE FIRE SUPPRESSION FIELD.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SORT OF FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IN PLACE ON SITE.
UM, IS THERE GONNA BE TCEQ MONITORING OF THE SITE? ARE THEY GONNA CALL IN MOBILE MONITORING FOR TCEQ IN CASE OF A FI IN CASE OF A FIRE ALSO? UH, ARC FLASH FIRES PRODUCE A TON OF PRESSURE, AS I'M SURE THE FIRE MARSHALS KNOW.
SO IF YOU'RE AN ENCLOSED CONTAINER AND YOU HAVE AN ARC FLASH FIRE OF LITHIUM, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE GOT COPPER CONNECTORS AND ALL OF THAT, WHAT KIND OF PRESSURES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INSIDE THAT CONTAINER? I HAVE READ ARTICLES WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, FIREFIGHTERS HAVE OPENED THESE BEST SYSTEMS AND ONCE THEY GET OXYGEN TO 'EM, THEN THEY EXPLODE AND THEY'VE INJURED FIREFIGHTERS.
UH, THE ARTICLE I WAS READING WAS IN PHOENIX.
SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE.
AND ALSO THE PROXIMITY TO OUR HOMES, OUR SCHOOLS, AND OUR PEOPLE.
NOW BEFORE I TRY AGAIN,
THAT BEING, THAT BEING NOT SAID, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 49 AND MR. LEONARD SMITH WILL, UH, HEAR SOME MORE FOR YOU IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UM, AND, AND THE COMMISSION MAY WANT HAVE, HAVE QUESTIONS OF, OF YOU AS WELL.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE JUST, UH, TO ADDRESS MS. SHARON'S COMMENT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT CODES THERE, THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC REGULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, THE CATEGORIZATION, OF THE CLASSIFICATION OF PRIVATE UTILITIES.
BUT THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS YET SPECIFICALLY RE REGULATING BEST SITES WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT CODES.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THEY'RE GONNA, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IF APPROVED, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PLOT THE PROPERTY.
THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, TO BRING WATER TO THE SITE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FIRE
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MARSHALS, UTILITIES TO THE SITE.UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL, THOSE ARE IN THE CONDITIONS AS WELL, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM A CON CONGLOMERATION STANDPOINT, THEY STILL, THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE STILL DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE STILL HAVING TO BE MET AS WELL.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO THE GENERAL TAKE I GOT FROM EVERYONE WHO HAD QUESTIONS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D NOTICED, I WAS TAKING NOTES, BUT WAS OPPOSED TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON AND THEN TOM CRUISE CAME AND ASKED A QUESTION OR TWO.
SO, UM, THE BIGGEST THING THAT I, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A COMMON THEME WAS A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT FIRE SUPPRESSION, SAFETY, THE NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS, OBVIOUSLY LITHIUM FIRES AND ADDING WATER IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LETTING US KNOW THAT THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY TESTED AND CERTIFIED ITEMS, THAT THERE'S NOT A CODE FOR THEM.
UM, AND THAT KIND OF IS THE EXACT FIRE CONCERN THAT EVERYONE'S BRINGING UP.
UM, THAT THE FIRE STATION IS NOT ALWAYS STAFFED AND THAT WHILE YOU MIGHT PROBABLY PROVIDE TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STAFFING IT, IF THEY'RE NOT THERE AND SOMEONE ELSE AND GOES AND USES THAT EQUIPMENT, THEY MAY NOT KNOW HOW TO USE IT OR THEY TALKED ABOUT BRINGING WATER TO THE PROPERTY.
BUT APPARENTLY WATER IS NOT, UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD RIGHT.
IS NOT WHAT WE ACTUALLY USE FOR THESE TYPES OF FIRES.
SO WHAT IF AN UNTRAINED FIREFIGHTER SHOWS UP AND STARTS SPRAYING WATER ON A FIRE THAT NEEDS TO BE LET TO BURN? SO I'M JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO SAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO ASK THIS, BUT WHAT IS THE REWARD VERSUS THE RISK FOR THE CITY APPROVING THIS? LIKE SAYING, HEY, THIS, LIKE, Y'ALL RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
LIKE, IS THIS JUST ONE BEST PRO, LIKE ONE BEST AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO? OR ARE WE GONNA TRY TO PUT MULTIPLE BEST LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, IF IT, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN OVER THERE SAID IT WAS GONNA HAVE ENOUGH POWER TO POWER 200 HOMES FOR I GUESS LIKE, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY MINIMAL COMPARED TO THE HOMES IN LAKE CITY, RIGHT? SO IS THIS GONNA BE LIKE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY'S FROM SOUTH TEXAS, SO YOU GO DOWN THERE AND YOU GOT WINDMILLS ALL UP AND DOWN ON AGRICULTURAL LAND.
SO IS THIS TRYING TO REPLACE THE WINDMILL FACTOR TO WHERE IT'S MORE MINUTE I, YEAH, I GUESS WHAT DOES THE CITY ALSO, WHAT DOES THE CITY GET OUT OF THIS AS FAR AS PUTTING THIS ONE LOCATION? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF IT? OBVIOUSLY IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS IN IT.
SO DOES THE CITY GET BENEFIT REWARDS OUT OF THIS BY DOING THIS TOO? YEAH, IT, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO RELIABILITY OF THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
I MEAN THE, THESE ARE RELIABILITY SITES, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
THE, THE BATTERY TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING IN THESE SITES IS AS FAR AS IT BEING, UH, TESTED.
WE CARRY AROUND THE SAME CELLS IN OUR POCKETS EVERY DAY.
I MEAN, SO WE, THE RELIABILITY OF THE TEXAS GRID IS VERY, VERY FRAGILE AS WE SAW DURING THE URI FREEZE.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE GENERAL, UH, VARIABLE FREQUENCY GENERATION SOURCES WITHOUT THE BATTERIES TO COMBAT, WHEN THOSE SOURCES GO DOWN, WHEN PIPELINES FREEZE, WHEN THERE'S A MAINTENANCE PERIOD, AND THEY WEREN'T EXPECTING FOR THOSE, THOSE GENERATION ASSETS TO COME ONLINE, THE BATTERIES ARE THE MOST COMMONLY UTILIZED, MOST WIDELY ADOPTED TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE GRID'S INSTABILITY.
SO THAT AND, AND THE FACT THAT YES, ERCOT DICTATES WHERE THOSE, THOSE ELECTRONS DO GO, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEND ELECTRONS FROM LAKE CITY INTO WEST TEXAS.
THEY, THEY STAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET TO CHOOSE WHICH HOUSE IT GOES TO, BUT IT GOES THROUGH A DISTRIBUTION SUBSTATION THAT SERVES THE CITY OF LAKE CITY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE DIRECTED TO LIKE HOSPITALS AND POLICE, YOU KNOW, POLICE STATIONS TO STAY UP.
IF YOU LIVE IN A, BUT, SO WHAT WILL THIS ONE LITTLE POWER GRID, OR WHAT WILL THIS ONE LITTLE BATTERY PACK DO? LIKE HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOMES OR HOW MANY, HOW MUCH, LIKE WHAT, WHAT WILL IT POWER FOR TWO? 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT WILL GO FOR TWO HOURS, RIGHT? IF IT WERE A STRAIGHT BACKUP TO HOMES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2,500 TO 3,500 HOMES FOR THE DURATION OF THAT BATTERY.
SO A
SO LIKE HOW MUCH CONSUMPTION ARE THEY USING DURING AN, AN EMERGENCY AND CORRECT.
AND SO IT, IT VARIES BY WHAT'S THE POWER CONSUMPTION IN THOSE HOMES.
AND THEN TO THE, TO THE CITY, WHAT DOES THE CITY GET AT IT? LIKE IF WE'RE PUTTING SCHOOLS AND OTHER LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO WRITE THE CODE AND THE BOOK ON IT.
WHAT IS THE CITY LIKE? DOES THE CITY GET A REWARD OUT OF THIS BY BEING LIKE
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A CITY THAT, THAT INSTALLS BEST POWER PACKS? YEAH.FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND WE'VE, WE'VE INSTALLED THESE ALL ACROSS TEXAS AND, AND OUTSIDE OF THE STATE AS WELL.
THE CITY GETS THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A RESILIENT ELECTRICAL GRID.
WHAT THAT DOES IS DRIVE MORE BUSINESSES INTO THE CITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ABLE TO SERVE THE LOAD DEMANDS FROM THOSE AREAS.
SO IF I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND I'M IN A VOLATILE AREA, LIKE SOUTH OF HOUSTON CAN BE BECAUSE OF HURRICANES AND INCLEMENT WEATHER, AND I SAY, WHAT IS THE CHANCES IF I'M GONNA HAVE A, A FACILITY THAT NEEDS TO OPERATE OF PUTTING IT IN A RESILIENT AREA THAT HAS INFRASTRUCTURE TO RESPOND TO ERCOT, SO THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO LOAD SHED THAT AREA LIKE MANY OF US WERE DURING THAT STORM, OR AM AM I GONNA MOVE TO SOMEPLACE THAT HAS ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE? SO IT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% CONSIDERED RESILIENCY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE AREAS WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE LOCATED.
I I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I, THE ONE QUESTION I HAD THE FIRST TIME I SAW THIS, THIS, THIS PROPOSAL WAS WIDE LEAGUE CITY.
WHY NOT IN THE WOODLANDS WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED? UH, THE WOODLANDS IS ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY IN A, A DIFFERENT IS SO THEY'RE NOT PART OF ERCOT, BUT THEY, THEY'RE PART OF THAT WEIRD, CAN WE EXPECT TO USE IT ON, ON THERE? THERE ARE BLOCK LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF THESE BEING INSTALLED ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE STATE OF TEXAS.
BOTH IN VERY, VERY DENSE POPULATION CENTERS, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO HOSPITALS, UM, OUT IN WEST TEXAS IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THE OIL FIELD.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, VERY WIDELY BEING DEVELOPED IN, IN ALL AREAS.
WELL, LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION THEN.
HOW MANY ARE YOU GONNA PUT IN PER LAND AND, AND, UH, FRIENDSWOOD AND PASADENA AND, UH, A AS, AS MANY AS THE GRID WILL, WILL ACCOMMODATE OR THEY'LL LET YOU PUT IN, RIGHT? THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
SO IT HAS, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CAPACITY AVAILABLE FROM THOSE TRANS, UH, FROM THOSE DISTRIBUTION SUBSTATIONS.
SO RIGHT NOW IN YOUR NEIGHBORING AREA, SO THERE'S ALREADY A SITE HERE IN LAKE CITY, THERE'S ONE IN DICKINSON, THERE'S ONE IN ANGLETON, THERE'S TWO IN ALVIN, OR THERE'S TWO IN ANGLETON, THERE'S TWO IN TEXAS CITY.
UM, JUST, JUST FOR, FOR REFERENCE.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, I DO.
UM, WHAT ASSURANCES, UH, DOES THE CITY HAVE THAT THE POWER WON'T BE DISTRIBUTED OR REDISTRIBUTED OUTSIDE OF THE CITY? WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS AN ASSURANCE BESIDES JUST MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE ELECTRICAL GRID WORKS, WHICH IS COMING FROM THE GENERATION FACILITY INTO A DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, WHICH IS WHERE THIS PROJECT WOULD BE LOCATED TO.
THOSE DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES ARE THERE TO SERVE THAT SPECIFIC AREA.
SO IT'S NOT, UM, THAT'S WHY THEY CALL 'EM DISTRIBUTION RATHER THAN TRANSMISSION.
SO IF WE WERE TO HAVE A MUCH LARGER FACILITY THAT IS 200 MEGAWATTS, THEY WOULD BE PUTTING THE POWER UP INTO THOSE HIGH VOLTAGE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT SIT JUST KIND OF SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THOSE CAN GO FOR MILES AND MILES EAST, WEST, ACROSS THE STATE.
BUT IN A DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, THAT DISTRIBUTION NETWORK IS, IS ISOLATED UNTIL THE NEXT TRANSFORMER BY TNMP.
SO IT WOULD ONLY SERVE THE AREAS THAT I, I CAN'T DICTATE TO ERCOT WHERE IT SERVES, BUT THAT NETWORK IS SET UP TO ONLY SERVE THE AREA THAT TNMP INSTALLED IT FOR, WHICH IS IN LAKE CITY.
I GOT A FEW QUESTIONS AND SOME ARE FOR YOU AND SOME ARE PROBABLY FOR THE CITY.
UM, IN SOME OF THE DRAWINGS THAT SHOWS A RETENTION POND AND SOME DRAWINGS THAT DOES NOT SHOW A RETENTION POND.
SO WILL THERE BE A RETENTION POND OR NOT? WE WILL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE CITY ASK US TO AS FAR AS DRAINAGE AND DETENTION.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE HAVE IT ON THE, THE PROPOSED PLAN.
I THINK THE LATEST IS WITH A DETENTION POND.
SO IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, UM, I'M ASSUMING THE RETENTION POND WILL TAKE CARE OF THE WATER.
SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THE WATER AND WHAT WILL IT DO TO THE SOIL UNDERNEATH AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THAT? THE CITY OR SO FIRE, FIRE, WATER, THE, THE UNITS ARE SELF-CONTAINED, SO THEY'RE IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, THEY ARE DESIGNED TO CONTAIN ANY TYPE OF LEAKAGE SEEPAGE THAT, THAT MIGHT OCCUR IN THAT WE WOULD, AS THE OPERATOR BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY TYPE OF REMEDIATIONS SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN ON THE SITE.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT HURRICANES IN THIS AREA.
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CATEGORY 1, 2, 3, 4, 5? WHAT ARE THEY RATED FOR? I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE, THERE'S NO HURRICANE RATING ON THE, ON THE CONTAINERS.I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM A STABILITY STANDPOINT? YEAH.
I MEAN YOU CAN'T EVEN BUILD, I MEAN THE CITY'S TRYING TO BUILD A FACILITY AT THE WATER PLANT THAT'S RATED FOR A, A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANES.
WHY WOULD WE ALLOW A BATTERY OPERATED SYSTEM TO SIT THERE THAT'S NOT HURRICANE? YEAH, THANK YOU.
I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE.
UM, SO THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE EXACT SAME BUILDING CODES AS ANY OTHER BUILDING IN THE CITY.
SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO DESIGN, UM, TO THE, I BELIEVE IT'S 145 MILE PER HOUR WIND SPEED.
UM, SO JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUILDING IN LAKE CITY.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER STAMP THAT IT'S DESIGNED.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE NOT RATED AT ALL.
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DESIGN CRITERIA AND RATING THE, THE CONTAINERS ARE NOT RATED FROM THE MANUFACTURER FOR HURRICANE, BUT WE CAN COMPLY WITH A DESIGN STANDARD.
I MEAN, THESE ARE SHIPPING STYLE CONTAINERS THAT, THAT ARE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT IN, IN WEIGHT.
SO DESIGN STANDARDS WE CAN, WE CAN COMPLY WITH.
SO ON UH, THE STELLA ENERGY'S WEBSITE, Y'ALL TALK ABOUT THESE, UH, BEING POWER PURCHASE AND TOLL AGREEMENT.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME AND WHO'S PAYING FOR THESE? WHEN, WHEN THE ENERGY IS EXPELLED, WHAT, WHAT IS THE TOLL AGREEMENT AND THE POWER PURCHASE? ABOUT? THE POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT IS WITH ERCOT THROUGH AN INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT.
SO WE'RE UTILIZING TEXAS NEW MEXICO'S INFRASTRUCTURE ESSENTIALLY TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO ERCOT THROUGH THE POWER THAT WE PROVIDE.
SO THESE CHARGES DON'T GET PASSED DOWN TO THE CONSUMER BY THE ELECTRIC, BY THE ELECTRIC COMPANIES.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THE LIGHT BILLS ARE ALREADY HIGH ENOUGH AS IT IS.
UM, THEY TALK ABOUT THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I SEE WITH THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A CITY ISSUE OR A COMPANY ISSUE.
UM, THE PROPOSED INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS SHOW, UH, NO WORKERS' COMP LIABILITY AND NO EMPLOYER LIABILITY.
UM, IS THAT A STANDARD PRACTICE FOR THE CITY OR IS, IS THAT, I MEAN, IS IT A STATE THAT THEY, ARE THEY NOT REQUIRED? BECAUSE I KNOW IN CONSTRUCTION, I CAN'T WALK ON A JOB SITE WITHOUT WORKERS' COMP AND THAT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART OF THE INSURANCE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHY THERE'S NO WORKERS' COMP? SO I BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY EMPLOYEES OPERATING AT THE LOCATION.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CONSTRUC ONE DOES GO TO BE INSURED FOR CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE ONE PERSON COMES ONCE A MONTH OR WHATEVER IT IS? HOW IS THAT PERSON COVERED THROUGH INSURANCE? IF HE'S WALKING DOWN THE ROAD AND HE FALLS AND TRIPS AND BREAKS HIS ARM, IS HE GONNA SUE THE CITY? IS HE ON HIS OWN? I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF WORKERS' COMP INSURANCE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WHEN SOMEBODY'S ON SITE.
AND YOU WANNA I'M SORRY, ANSWER THAT.
CORPORATE LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR SURE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S STANDARD FOR ANYONE THAT GOES INTO THE FIELD.
I MEAN, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT ON YOUR PROPOSED INSURANCE.
UM, 'CAUSE THE LAST THING I WANT IS THE CITY RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR SOMEBODY GETTING HURT.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN ABOUT WHAT THE RESULT OF THE VENTILATION OF THE COOLING BATTERIES IS? WHAT KIND OF GASES IS THAT AND HOW TOXIC IS IT AND WHAT IS IT GONNA DO TO THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND, BECAUSE THAT IS A CONCERN THROUGH ALL THE RESIDENTS OF, OF COURSE, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME JUST A TINY BIT ON SOME OF THE FIRE SAFETY COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN, BEEN A MAJOR CONCERN PART OF THIS.
SO THERE, THERE IS A NATIONAL FIRE SAFETY IN FPA NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION 8 55 THAT DOES GOVERN BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THE INDUSTRY THAT THESE SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED TO.
THERE THERE IS MULTIPLE LAYERS OF FIRE SUPPRESSION THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM, UH, FROM THERMAL DETECTION TO CARBON MONOXIDE TO FLAME DETECTION, A DRY POWDER POWDER SUPPRESSION SYSTEM THAT'S ALL BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM AS WELL, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR AN EARLY INDICATION TO SHUT DOWN THE BATTERIES BEFORE YOU, YOU GOT INTO A THERMAL EVENT.
OF COURSE, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE COUNSEL WITH, WITH THE COMPOSITION OF, OF VENTED GASES.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, UM, PRIMARILY HYDROGEN.
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BUT AGAIN, I DON'T, I WASN'T PREPARED TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC GAS MAKEUP OF, OF VENT, OF VENTING TONIGHT.BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT IS THE, AND OBVIOUSLY I'M THINKING ON THE MOST CATASTROPHIC LEVEL.
UM, IN THE EVENT THAT ONE OF THESE BATTERY PACKS WERE TO EXPLODE, I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL TELL US THAT THEY'RE SELF-CONTAINED, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT ONE OF THEM WAS TO EXPLODE, WHAT IS THE BLAST RADIUS OF THAT? I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS? 20 FEET RADIUS, A HUNDRED FOOT RADIUS, THE BATTERIES DON'T EXPLODE.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CAUSE ANY TYPE OF EXPLOSION WOULD BE A BUILDUP OF GAS INSIDE OF THE SYSTEM AND THEN INTRODUCING OXYGEN TO THAT MIXED WITH A SOME POINT OF COMBUSTION.
SO THE NORMAL FAILURE RATE FOR A BATTERY WOULD BE EITHER SMOKE OR MELTING OF PLASTIC COMPONENTS.
SO THERE'S NO, WHAT IF IT DOES, WHAT IF OXYGEN IS INTRODUCED TO IT AND IT DOES EXPLODE? WHAT IT ARE WE LOOKING AT? THERE IS NO STUDY THAT I CAN THINK OF.
THE, THE INSTANCES WHERE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT BATTERIES EXPLODING WAS A DIFFERENT CHEMISTRY MAKEUP.
IT WAS THE NFP NICKEL MAGNESIUM PHOSPHATE BATTERY CELLS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE LITHIUM ION BATTERY CELLS.
THEY RAN ENCLOSED SPACES RATHER THAN OUTDOOR SPACES.
SO THE, THE INSTANCE WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAGEDY IN, IN THE ARIZONA WHERE THE FIREFIGHTERS, FIREFIGHTERS OPENED THE DOOR AND WERE KILLED BY AN EXPLOSION, IT WAS AN IN A BATTERY INSTALLATION INSIDE OF A BUILDING WHERE THERE WAS NO VENTING OF, OF ANY GAS BUILDUP.
SO THERE'S, THERE IS JUST NO, THERE'S NO FEASIBLE SCENARIO WHERE A BATTERY UNIT COULD EXPLODE.
AND THEN MY, MY FINAL QUESTION IS, UM, IS STELLA ENERGY THE SAME COMPANY THAT'S TRYING TO DO ANOTHER ONE OF THESE OFF OF HIGHWAY THREE? WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS ARE POSTED OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OFF OF HIGHWAY THREE.
THERE'S SOME SIGNS POSTED ON HIGHWAY THREE FOR THE SAME.
IT'S STELLA THE SAME SITE FOR A, FOR A-B-E-S-S.
WE, WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH NUMEROUS COMPANIES FOR SPOTS ALL AROUND TOWN.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD, SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE WITH STELLA.
SO I, I HAD THE, UM, BENEFIT OF BEING THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA FOR HIDDEN LAKES WHEN THE FIRST COMPANY WANTED TO PUT THAT IN OUR BACKYARD.
SO I HAVE, UM, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME SEVERAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
'CAUSE UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE, UM, WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE WAS, UM, MR. CARPENTER ENCOURAGED THEM TO COME AND SPEAK TO THE HOAS.
UM, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE NOT, WE ONLY HAD TWO HOMES IN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER ZONE, WHICH AS EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS, I CAN'T STAND THE 200 FOOT BUFFER ZONE.
AND SO OUR NEIGHBORS WERE NOT ABLE TO BE AT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
AND THE ONLY REASON SOME OF THEM ARE HERE IS BECAUSE I GAVE NOTICE TO SOME MEMBERS, UM, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO MS. LONGORIA, UH, WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF ANSWERS.
SO, UM, IT'S A LITTLE, UH, IT'S A LITTLE, UH, DISAPPOINTING TO NOT HAVE HAD SOME OF THOSE ANSWERED, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY.
AND NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY IN OUR BACKYARD AT HIDDEN LAKES.
UM, PLUS WE ALSO HAVE THE GRAND PARKWAY THAT'S COMING IN AND THAT'S GONNA BE A HUGE ISSUE FOR US, UM, FOR TRAFFIC, FOR EGRESS, FOR ACCESS, FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
MY FIRST, MY FIRST QUESTION GOES TO THE FIRE MARSHALS BECAUSE EVERYTHING I WAS READING ABOUT THE 2019, UM, EXPLOSION OR THE FIRE THAT THEY HAD, UH, FIREFIGHTERS INJURED WAS SOMETHING WE ADDRESSED IN THAT LAST MEETING.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT A WHOLE LOT HAS CHANGED WITH FEMA AND DHS UM, REQUIREMENTS.
I DO REMEMBER YOU ASK YOU SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT CHAPTER AND CODE HAS CHANGED REGARDING THE BEES AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, UM, WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE.
WHAT'S THE DATE REFERENCE AGAIN? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR IT WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE DIFFERENT, THE, THE CHANGES THAT HAD OCCURRED AND HOW YOU WERE HANDLING THESE, THESE PARTICULAR, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE THAT WE ADOPTED BACK IN AUGUST OF 2022.
I'M SORRY, WHEN? AUGUST, 2022.
AND, AND WE ADOPTED THE 2021 VERSION OF IFC AND THEY CREATED A WHOLE NEW CHAPTER ON IT, ON THE, ON HOW TO HANDLE THE BEST OR ON THE FACT THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME WAY TO HANDLE
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THOSE, THOSE INCIDENTS ON THE REGULATIONS OF HOW TO BUILD THEM AND CONSTRUCT THEM.AND HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH TRAINING HAS BEEN GIVEN TO FIREFIGHTERS, UM, SINCE THEN.
'CAUSE WE'RE ONLY IN 20, THE V 2024 ON THE BEST SYSTEMS. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY TRAINING YET.
UH, THERE WILL BE TRAINING PROVIDED BY THE COMPANIES AND HOW MUCH TRAINING HAS BEEN DEVELOPED BASED ON THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, BECAUSE TRAINING, TRAINING, HAVING BEEN IN, IN, UH, NOT IN FIREFIGHTING, BUT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANYTIME WE WE CREATE ANY KIND OF TRAINING, UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME.
AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH, THE GOVERNMENT'S GONNA TAKE AN EVEN LONGER TIME.
UM, AND SO, UH, THIS TRAINING THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED BASED ON THESE REGULATIONS, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN IN THE MAKING? HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN DEVELOPED? AND AND HAVE THEY PROVIDED THIS TRAINING ANYWHERE? I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN COVER.
SO WITH THE N-F-A-N-F-P-A TRAINING AND THE IFC, WHICH IS RIGHT, THERE'S REGULATIONS 8 53, 8 50, THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF REGULATIONS.
THE TRAINING COMES OR THE, THE ASPECT OF THE TRAINING THAT NEEDS TO FORTHCOMING ONE IS BY EXPERIENCE.
WHEN THEY'VE HAD ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN THEN BY THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATIONS OF THINGS TO DO, THEY WERE BUILDING A LOT OF THESE BOXES THAT WERE PUTTING WATER AND REALIZED THAT THAT'S NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA.
THEY WERE BUILDING THESE BOXES AND THEY WERE ALSO PUTTING NO VENTS IN THEM.
'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE GASES GOING OUT.
AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.
SO HE'S RIGHT ABOUT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DOING THE SYSTEMS. THEY'RE UPDATING THE SYSTEMS, HEY, THIS IS A SELF-CONTAINED PIECE OF APPARATUS.
BASICALLY EVERYTHING'S SIDEWALL.
NOTHING'S SUPPOSED TO BE CONTAINED.
SO IF YOU HAVE A BREAK ON ONE, IT WILL VENT.
WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WAS FOR ADDITIONAL ITEMS, BECAUSE A THERMAL RUNAWAY IS BASICALLY A DECELERATION OF SOMETHING THAT'S NOT HAD ENOUGH CHARGE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT NEEDS TO BE CHARGED UP AND IT STARTS TO RUN AWAY, STARTS TO HEAT UP.
SO WE, WE PUT THESE THINGS, THE TRAINING THAT GOES IN THAT IS REALLY WHAT THE COMPANY SAYS IS HOW YOU WANT, YOU, YOU SHOULD BE FIGHTING THIS FIRE BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY THE EXPERTS.
IT'S LIKE UL, UL DOES LABORATORY TESTS, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE TESTING THESE ITEMS AND UL IS COMING OUT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO DO THESE THINGS.
SO YES, THERE IS TRAINING FOR THEM TO DO.
ONCE THEY GET ALL THAT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUESTED BY THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE, THEN THEY SHOULD TELL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, HEY, IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY HERE, THIS IS WHY WE, WE DECIDED, HEY, YOU NEED TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN.
YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW, AND THIS IS AN ONGOING GROWING THING.
IF WE FIND ADDITIONAL DANGERS BECAUSE WE, IN 2021 ADOPTED THAT IFC, WE ALSO ADOPTED ALL THE NFPA CODES AND PUT 'EM PROGRESSIVELY.
SO AS CHANGES COME, WE CAN MAKE THOSE UPDATES FOR EXISTING AND NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THAT TYPE OF TYPE OF FACILITIES THERE.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WHAT IT UH, TELLS ME IS THAT THERE'S REALLY, UM, SO MUCH THAT'S UNKNOWN ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE THESE PARTICULAR EVENTS THAT THEY'RE STILL REALLY NOT, IT'S, IT'S STILL A, IT'S STILL A HIT AND MISS, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW UL AND UL HAS BEEN TESTING THINGS FOR, AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY CAN DO THAT, BUT, UH, UNDER UNDERWRITERS LABORATORY.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, BECAUSE YOU, YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY INCIDENT.
YOU'VE HAD SOME INCIDENTS AND THEY LEARNED, YOU KNOW, A LOT FROM 2019 SITUATION IN ARIZONA.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU ONLY HAVE REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF, LESS THAN, LESS THAN MAYBE LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
UM, AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A HIT OR MISS, UM, ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO I GO BACK TO WHAT MR. YOUNG SAID IS, UM, RISK VERSUS REWARD AND WHERE ARE THE GUINEA PIGS FOR HOW YOU'RE GONNA HANDLE A SITUATION.
AND I BRING UP WHAT MISS, MISS NEWSY SAID IS, YOU KNOW, SOUTHEAST, UH, WINDS COMING INTO EDUCATION VILLAGE IN OUR HOMES.
UM, SO I I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE BEING A GUINEA PIG WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A FIRE HAZARD SITUATION.
UM, ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, UM, HOW ARE YOU GONNA REGULATE OR HOW ARE YOU GONNA MONITOR THE AIR QUALITY? UM, AND THAT, THAT CAME IN, I KNOW WE HAVE EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT, BUT THERE, THERE WILL BE EQUIPMENT.
THAT IS ONE OF THE RULE, THE ONE OF THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE ASKED PERIMETER PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT WOULD COME OUTSIDE THEIR PROPERTY, WE'D AUTOMATICALLY KNOW.
SO THAT, THAT WAS, THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA.
YOU WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY KNOW BECAUSE IT TAKES AN HOUR FOR SOMEBODY TO RESPOND TO THE LOCATION.
WELL, WE WOULD, THE NOTIFICATION FOR US, WE'RE JUST GOING BY WHAT'S PLANNED THERE IS THE NOTIFICATION WOULD SIMPLY NOTIFY, HEY, THERE'S AN EVENT, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON.
SO YOU HAVE CLOSE PER CLOSE PERIMETER MONITORING, AND THEN YOU HAVE EXTERIOR.
SO YOU HAVE A BUFFER TIME THAT'S GOING TO START.
YOU'RE GONNA START WITHIN THAT CONTAINER.
AND THEN AS IT STARTS TO GO, IT'S AN IMMEDIATE REACTION.
IT'S A SINGLE AND DUAL DEVICE SYSTEM THAT CAN BE PUT IN THERE, WHICH WAS WHAT WE WERE REQUESTING.
NOT ONLY ONE, BUT A VERIFICATION OF A SECOND IS THAT HAPPENS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S INSIDE THE CONTAINER.
SO YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REASONABLE FOR US TO SAY, HEY, CAN YOU GET SOMEBODY HERE IN AN HOUR OR SOMETHING
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A LOT.I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THE SYSTEM WORKS AS FAR AS THE, UH, APPROPRIATION TO BE ABLE TO SHUT THINGS DOWN OR SO FORTH.
THEY COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT FOR YOU BETTER.
BUT THAT'S WHERE WE START WITH THOSE TYPE OF VERIFICATION SYSTEMS. YES, THEY, THEY, THEY EXPLAINED A LOT OF THAT TO US, BUT THEY STILL DIDN'T HAVE THE ANSWER OF, OF HOW LONG IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA TAKE FOR SOMEBODY TO GET PHYSICALLY TO THAT LOCATION TO HANDLE THE SITUATION.
AND NOW WE'VE HAD, UM, ONCE YOU'VE DETERMINED THAT MAYBE THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE AIR, UM, WE STILL HAVE AN HOUR FOR SOMEBODY TO GET OUT THERE.
AND ALSO AS IT WAS POINTED OUT, OUR FIRE, OUR FIRE, UM, STATIONS AREN'T ALWAYS MANNED.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND NOT SOMEBODY CAN CORRECT ME HERE.
UM, WE HAVE LIKE MAYBE ON ONE SIDE OF 45 MANNED AND THEN ON THIS SIDE OF 45 MANNED, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM ARE MANNED.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR RESPONSE TIME IS GONNA BE FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO GET OVER THERE? THAT IS CORRECT.
THEY, NOT EVERY STATION IS MANNED 24 7.
IT'S AT LEAST ONE, SOMETIMES TWO.
OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME IN THE CITY IS ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES.
SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CONTAINERS ARE MONITORED AS SOON AS THERE'S AN ISSUE DETECTED, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE NOTIFIED AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL RESPOND.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN HOUR FOR SOMEBODY TO BE THERE.
A FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE THERE TO MONITOR IT.
IT'S COULD BE AN HOUR TO GET THEIR TECHNICIAN THERE TO ASSIST US WITH SHUTTING DOWN, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THEY CAN DO A LOT OF THAT REMOTELY AS WELL.
SO THE AIR MONITORING, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE EITHER FUNDING OR THE EQUIPMENT DIRECTLY TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WE WILL HAVE, WHEN WE RESPOND WITHIN THAT SEVEN MINUTE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME, WE'LL IMMEDIATELY BE MONITORING THE AIR AROUND THE, AROUND THE, THE SITE AND NEIGHBORHOODS, WHATEVER'S INVOLVED.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I'LL RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
UM, BASED ON WHAT, UM, THE FIRE MARSHAL HAD SAID BEFORE YOU IS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, AVENUES BEFORE THEY CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A CALL TO YOU.
SO WE'RE NOW ADDING TIME TO IT.
UM, ONCE YOU HAVE AN INCIDENT, IT TAKES A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INCIDENT FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY BE CALLED TO RESPOND, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, YOU'VE ALREADY MADE MY POINT AND I I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, I DID HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, OH, HOW MANY UNITS ARE ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY FOR THE, UM, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, HOW MANY UNITS? WELL, UH, LAST TIME WE WERE TOLD, AND IT WAS GONNA BE BEHIND HIDDEN LAKES, UM, IT WAS 212.
SO HOW MANY ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? WOULD YOU MIND CLARIFYING WHAT, WHAT CONSTITUTES A UNIT? ACCORDING TO THEM, THEY SAID 200 ON LITHIUM BODY.
THAT WERE GONNA BE, UH, OVER THERE BEHIND HIDDEN LAKES RIGHT NEXT TO THE, RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHURCH.
UM, THE, THE EASIEST WAY IS HOW MANY BOXES ARE GONNA BE THERE.
THERE, THERE WAS, I THINK I HEARD 250 MEGAWATT PROJECT THAT WAS THE
SIG SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, LOWER POWER RATING AT THIS UNIT.
AND, UM, I, I HEAR THAT, UM, WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF 'EM ALL OVER TEXAS.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE ALL OVER TEXAS AND ACTUALLY UP AND RUNNING, UM, AND, AND SUCCESSFULLY AND FOR HOW LONG THERE ON THE DISTRIBUTION SIDE? THERE'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE DATA.
I WOULD SAY IT'S BETWEEN 75 TO NINE AND A HUNDRED ACROSS THE STATE.
WITH THE SMALLER NUMBERS, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, SIX.
THE LARGER, THE LARGER UNITS ARE, UM, PROBABLY 50 BETWEEN WHAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AND WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMMISSIONED.
AND THAT'S, UH, ANYWHERE FROM 50 MEGAWATTS.
THE VERY SIMILAR TO THE 250 MEGAWATT PROJECT THAT WAS MENTIONED.
MUCH, MANY, MANY MORE CONTAINERS.
SO ACRES WORTH OF CONTAINERS RATHER THAN THE SMALL ONES.
UH, BUT HOW MANY ACTUAL ARE UP? NOT ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION, BUT LIKE WORKING? YEAH, ON THE LAR, UH, 75 TO A HUNDRED ON THE SMALL SIDE, ACTUALLY COMMISSIONED IN AND FUNCTIONING ON THE GRID.
AND THEN ON THE LARGE SIDE IT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER 50 TO 75 THAT ARE AND FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? THIS IS SINCE 2020, SO FOUR LESS THAN FOUR YEARS.
AND THERE'S THE QUEUE FOR ERCOT.
THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THEM THAT ARE REVIEWED AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF INCIDENTS WITH.
UM, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT GRAND PARKWAY.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE FOR ALL OF US.
UM, AND I, I'M FORTUNATE THAT I'LL BE GETTING SOME DETAILED INFORMATION ON THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UM, HOW IS THAT GONNA PLAY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN ALSO ONCE, UH, GRAND PARKWAY IS THERE, UM, YOUR, YOUR ABILITY TO ACCESS WHAT YOU NEED TO ACCESS BECAUSE GRAND PARKWAY IS GONNA WIDEN THE ROADS.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S GONNA CREATE FEEDERS AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IT'S GONNA CREATE, UM, SOME NEW PLAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FOR ANY KIND OF RESPONSE
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IF, IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT AND HOW IS THE CONSTRUCTION GONNA AFFECT ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM.SO, UM, AT THIS SPECIFIC AREA, SO FROM 45, ACTUALLY FROM ABOUT HIGHWAY THREE, UM, EAST TO 1 46, THE PLAN FOR THAT SEGMENT IS TO JUST MAKE IT, UM, FOUR LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAY, NOT A ACTUAL FREEWAY.
LIKE YOU'RE GONNA SEE WEST OF 45.
SO IT'LL BE JUST LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, FROM 45 TO HIGHWAY THREE CURRENTLY, OR IT'S GOT TWO LANES ON EACH SIDE GOING NORTH AND OR EAST AND WEST.
IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT IN THIS SEGMENT.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ACTUAL FREEWAY SEGMENT HERE, BUT IT IT'LL STILL BE A TOLLWAY.
SO IT'S JUST FOUR LANES? CORRECT.
SO AGAIN, HOW WILL THAT EXPANSION AND, AND THE CONSTRUCTION INTERACT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS? AND ONCE IT'S MADE, UM, AND ANY CHANGES TO ANY KIND OF PLANS FOR ACCESS? UM, YOU, YOUR ACCESS IS STILL GONNA COME FROM CAROLINE STREET.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO CHANGE THERE.
YOU'LL HAVE SOME RIGHT OF WAY LIKELY DEDICATED ALONG THE FRONT, MAYBE 20 FEET OR SO.
UM, BUT THAT WON'T AFFECT THIS LOT AT ALL.
UM, NOTHING WILL REALLY CHANGE IT.
THIS SITE'S NOT GONNA GENERATE ANY TRAFFIC, SO THERE'LL BE NO REAL IMPACT.
UM, BASED ON THE, UM, EXPANSION OF 6 46 AT THAT LOCATION, WILL ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE WIRES THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RUN ACROSS TO THE, UH, TRANS TO THE LOCATION? UM, SO THE WIRES THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING ARE GONNA BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
THERE SHOULD BE NO IMPACT, UM, BY THE GRAND, BY 6 46 BEING EXPANDED.
ANYTHING THAT TXDOT DOES AS RESULTING FROM THAT EXPANSION, THEY WOULD THEN MOVE THE WIRES ALONG 6 46, UM, TO WHERE THEY NEEDED TO, BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THIS.
UH, SO MY QUESTION IS FOR YOU ALSO, UM, SO WE HAD THAT ONE THAT WAS BEHIND, UH, HIDDEN LAKES AND WE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
UM, ARE WE GONNA BE HEARING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? SO NOT TOO SURE.
SO WHENEVER WE LOOK AT THESE SITES, WE LOOK AT 'EM ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THAT DEVELOPER, UM, WE TOLD THEM THAT WE WERE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT SITE DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO HIDDEN LAKES BEING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 6 46.
UM, WHEN WE SPOKE TO THIS INDIVIDUAL ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE TOLD THEM THAT WE WERE IN SUPPORT OF IT DUE TO IT BEING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AWAY FROM THE HOMES ADJACENT TO A HIGH POWER LINE CORRIDOR.
NOW THE, THE FOLKS ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING THAT SENT THE NOTICE OUT, UM, THERE IS ANOTHER FACILITY, AND I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT A 200 MEGAWATT FACILITY THAT IS NOW PROPOSING TO LOCATE IN THE COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME DEVELOPER OR NOT, BUT JUST SOUTH OF, UM, THIS HIGH POWER CO POWER LINE CORRIDOR.
AND WE HAVE NO REGULATIONS FOR THEM.
UM, THE CITY DOESN'T GOVERN PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH HERE, UM, THE OTHER PLACE WILL NOT HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOLLOWING BUILDING CODES.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CITY, WE CAN HAVE, UM, CONDITIONS PLACED ON IT, SUCH AS THE SCREENING OF IT.
UM, THE ADDITION OF THE LANDSCAPING, WHICH SOMETHING BUILT IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, ONE BLOCK TO THE SOUTH WOULD NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, UM, GOING BACK TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SOIL AND, UH, COMMISSIONER DOTSON WAS TALKING ABOUT RETENTION PONDS AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND SO THE OTHER COMPANY TALKED ABOUT IF THE SOIL WERE TO BE CONTAMINATED, UM, AND THE RETENTION POND AND HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE THAT.
BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT HOW YOU WERE GONNA HANDLE THE RETENTION POND TO, TO ENSURE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, ANY SEEPAGE INTO OUR, OUR LOCAL, UH, OUR WATER OR OUR SOIL, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.
THE, THE CONTAINERS ARE DESIGNED TO PREVENT SEEPAGE IF THERE WERE, IF THERE WERE TO BE AN EVENT.
SO THEY'RE DESIGNED TO HOLD THE MATERIAL IN PLACE.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT THERE WAS A ISSUE WITH GROUND CONTAMINATION, UM, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTRACTOR COULD COME OUT DETERMINE WHAT THE REMEDIATION STEPS WOULD BE, AND IT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBLE FOR US UNDER TCQ GUIDELINES TO REMEDIATE.
AND DO YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE? IF, IF WE WERE TO HAVE THAT, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RETENTION POND IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WOULD MITIGATE ANY OF THAT SEEPAGE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RETENTION POND TO MITIGATE SEEPAGE.
I, I'M NOT, THEY WERE PLANNING ON USING SOME KIND OF A SEAL, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS LESS SEEPAGE INTO THE SOIL, UM, AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING IT GO DIRECTLY INTO, UH, THE MAINSTREAM.
WELL, I THINK I'VE ASKED ALL MY QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU ALL.
OKAY, MS. ARNOLD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS TECHNOLOGY'S COMING.
UM, WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE WENT THROUGH VALENTINE'S TWO YEARS AGO, UH, WITH MORE OF THESE, UM, BEST FACILITIES.
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MAYBE THEY CAN MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.BUT WE'RE ALL VICTIMS OF THE MB UH, SYNDROME, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
SO WE DON'T WANT IT RIGHT HERE.
WE DON'T WANT IT NEAR OUR HOMES.
WE DON'T WANT A FILLING STATION NEAR OUR HOME.
WE DON'T WANT A DAYCARE CENTER NEAR OUR HOMES.
WE DON'T WANT THIS NEAR OUR HOMES.
AND A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, THERE WAS A DEVELOPER WHO CAME IN WHO WANTED TO BID, PUT RESIDENTIAL HOMES OF 6 46.
AND, UH, EVIDENTLY THAT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER THAN THIS.
AND, UH, NOBODY WANTED THAT EITHER.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING'S GONNA GO OUT THERE EVENTUALLY, BUT MAYBE NOT THIS, UH, WHAT IS THE WORST IMPACT OF A DISASTER OF THESE SELF-CONTAINED UNITS THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE FOR THIS FACILITY? WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN? WHAT IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO? WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE A, A THERMAL RUNAWAY.
THAT WAS YOUR EARLY DETECTION FAILED.
YOUR ENERGY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FAILED YOUR AUTOMATIC SHUTDOWN FAILED YOUR SUPPRESSION SYSTEM THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY RELEASED DURING A THERMAL RUNAWAY FAILED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU HAD A SITE THAT JUST BURNED UNTIL THERE WAS NO MORE FUEL LEFT.
AND WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF THAT? UH, S SMOLDERING, UM, IN FUMES AND TOXIC FUMES? I, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA SAY TOXIC FUMES.
I, I I'M NOT WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW.
I MEAN, ARE, ARE THOSE FUMES HARMFUL? ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW BAD WOULD THAT BE? AS, AS HARMFUL AS ANY OTHER CARCINOGEN THAT THAT WOULD BURN? OKAY.
SO THAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT YOUR FACE OVER 'EM.
UM, WELL, UM, WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITIZENS AND WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL, UM, THAT I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT.
UH, BUT IT IS COMING TECHNOLOGY AND LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, CHRIS, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ONE GOING IN, YOU KNOW, A BLOCK AWAY IN THE COUNTY.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, UM, AT THIS POINT, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE, UH, LET US KNOW HOW YOU FEEL AND IT IS YOUR HOME AND YOU BOUGHT THERE WITH CERTAIN UNDERSTANDINGS AND SO I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS.
NOW I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO THE, UH, THE ATTORNEY.
WE GOT INTO A SITUATION WITH A SIT WITH A, UH, PROPOSAL SOME TIME AGO.
AND, AND WE MADE THE MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST AND IT WAS MISINTERPRETED WHEN IT FINALLY GOT TO COUNCIL.
AND THEY LOOKED AT IT AS BEING A 8 4 0 AGAINST, BECAUSE IT WAS AGAINST THE, THE PROPOSAL, BUT THEY DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AND THEN VOTE HOW WE WANNA VOTE FOR IT? WE ALWAYS, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YES, I DO.
AND WE ALWAYS ACTUALLY DO RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA VOTE FOR SOMETHING VOTED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AND THEN VOTE IT DOWN OR HAVE IT FAILED.
BECAUSE HOW WE WILL IDENTIFY IT TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS WOULD BE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO WHEN WE IDENTIFY THIS AND LET THEM KNOW AS REQUIRED THAT WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE THIS PARTICULAR BOARD, WE WILL LET THEM KNOW THROUGH A STATEMENT THAT THIS, THE MOTION TO APPROVE FAILED BY A VOTE OF SUCH AND SUCH, SUCH AND SUCH, WHATEVER THE VOTE ENDS UP BEING, IF THAT BE THE CASE, OKAY.
OR IF IT PASSES, WE WILL IDENTIFY THAT THE MOTION, THE MOTION TO SUPPORT IT PASSED BY SUCH AND SUCH.
OKAY? SO IF I MADE A MOTION RIGHT NOW TO, TO UH, SUPPORT THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF, OF, UH, STAFF AND IT HAPPENS TO BE VOTED DOWN, IT THAT YOU'LL CLARIFY THAT WITH COUNSEL.
THAT IT, IT WAS NOT IN SUPPORT.
OKAY, WELL I'M GONNA MAKE THAT MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT WE TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND ASK IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, IS THERE A SECOND? CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT? IF NOBODY SECONDS THE MOTION, DOESN'T IT? IS IT DEAD? YES.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY
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AYE.IS ANYBODY GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT? ALL OPPOSED? WE'RE ALL OPPOSED? I JUST SAY OPPOSED.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE A, UH, SEVEN, UH, AGAINST IT IN, IN SEVEN FOUR, UH, FOR 7 0 4 7 AGAINST IT MOTION.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL'S AWARE OF THIS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER THERE TOO.
WE'RE HOLDING YOU ACCOUNTABLE.
WE DO NEED A LIAISON, AS A MATTER OF FACT FROM COUNCIL.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR, FOR COMING.
WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THIS BE, BE, UH, BE APPROVED.
UH, SO YOU, YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER DOING THIS AGAIN WHEN IT GOES BEFORE COUNSEL NEXT MONTH.
I, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND BASED ON OUR UNANIMOUS VOTE WE HAD LAST TIME THAT YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
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OKAY? ITEM NUMBER FIVE, NEW BUSINESS.Y'ALL ARE GONNA LOVE THIS, THIS
UH, CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON PRELIMINARY PLAT LANDING BOULEVARD, PHASE TWO, URBAN STREET, PHASE FOUR, PLAT 23 0 0 6 5.
GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF SAMARA WAY AND WEST OF LANDING BOULEVARD.
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR APPROXIMATELY 6.71 ACRES FOR JUST SIMPLY DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE SAMARA DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT DOES MEET ALL LOCAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR PLATING.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE YES SIR OF THE UM, UH, AS PRESENTED.
IS THERE, IS THERE A MOTION TO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
STAFF, STAFF COMMENTS? THERE ARE NONE TONIGHT.
OKAY THEN UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS THE, UH, IS ADJOURNMENT.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN? WE HAVE A MOTION MADE AND SECOND, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.