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APPROVE THE MINUTES RIGHT? IS THE FIRST ACTION.
I HAVE A COPY OF THE AGENDA ONLY ON MY PHONE.
YEAH, I BRING COFFEE EVERY DAY AFTER THAT.
[1. Approval of minutes for January 31, 2024]
UM, SO NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR JANUARY 31ST, 2024.MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
[2. Discussion on Community Cat Program Assessment with potential action]
AND, UH, ON THE AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS DISCUSSION ON THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM ASSESSMENT WITH POTENTIAL ACTION.AND THEN ITEM THREE, JUST TO LOOK AHEAD IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ITEM FOUR, NEXT MEETING.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE AGENDA LOOKS LIKE.
SO LIKE I SAID, NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION OF THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM ASSESSMENT WITH POTENTIAL ACTION.
SO HOW DO YOU GUYS WANNA DO THAT? DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH CARL AND SUE? DID YOU WANNA GO THROUGH PER IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH.
THEY'RE GONNA SUE, THEY'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO USE THE MICROPHONE 'CAUSE THE RECORDING THIS ONE, I THINK THE ONE NEXT TO YOU THERE.
AND PRESS THE, MAKE SURE THAT YOUR GREEN LIGHT IS ON.
IS THERE A GREEN LIGHT ON THE YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ON THE UNDER PART RIGHT HERE, SUE.
UM, I THINK IT'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH JUST TONIGHT TO GO THROUGH EACH THING.
SO WHY DON'T WE PICK ONE THING TO HIT AND IF WE HAVE TIME, WE HIT ANOTHER 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT ALL IN ONE NIGHT.
IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO ATTACK IT? SO AS MAKING, SO LONG AS WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
BUT AS AS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN HEAT HIT EACH ITEM.
IF WE JUST GO THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW, THEN WE'RE GONNA END UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE SOME OF THIS IS STUFF YOU ALREADY HAVE.
IT WAS JUST SO YOU WOULD HAVE DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU IN CASE YOU NEED TO REFERENCE MM-HMM.
SO IT SHOULDN'T ALL NEED TO BE GONE.
I THINK EVERYTHING WAS GIVEN EXCEPT FOR THE BROCHURES.
I BELIEVE CARL WILL BE THE ONLY ONE WHO HASN'T HAD EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE PACKET.
I, I, I, I PUT TO GET LIKE THE ORDINANCES AND STUFF, SENT THEM THAT STUFF IN EMAIL.
SO, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING.
EVERYTHING THAT'S IN HERE WAS THE EMAIL THAT I SENT TO YOU AFTER THE LAST MEETING DUE TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD.
SO WHERE DO WE WANNA START THEN? WHERE DO YOU WANT TO START? DO YOU WANT GO SECTION, SECTION? I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD START ON THE DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY CAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT ALL BEGINS.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE, STARTING WITH THE WORDING AND THE ORDINANCE, I THINK EVERYTHING STARTS WITH THAT TERM COMMUNITY CAT.
SO IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW IT SAYS A COMMUNITY CAT'S, A MEMBER OF THE DOMESTIC SPECIES.
PHYLIS CAT IS, SHALL MEAN A FREE ROAMING CAT WHO MAY BE CARED FOR BY ONE OR MORE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA WHO IS SLASH ARE KNOWN OR UNKNOWN.
A COMMUNITY CAT MAY OR NOT, MAY NOT BE FERAL COMMUNITY CATS ARE NOT WILDLIFE.
SO THEY'RE SAYING A COMMUNITY CAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE FERAL AND IT'S CARETAKER MAY BE KNOWN OR UNKNOWN.
AND TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S THE DEFINITION THAT ALLY CAT ALLIES USES, UM, BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ORDINANCE WRITING.
AND I KNOW WHEN I CAME TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL, MY ISSUE WITH IT WAS, UH, THEY, WE DIDN'T HAVE A KNOWN CARETAKER FOR THE KITTIES THAT WE WERE PUTTING BACK OUT.
AND UH, AND THEN THE NICE, THE THE RIGHT, THE FERAL CATS IS WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD GO BACK OUT.
HOWEVER, I KNOW IT'S A STREAM OF LIKE, HEY, DR.
BETSY, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CALL A FRIENDLY CAT, A COMMUNITY CAT.
IF WE'RE CALLING FERAL CATS A COMMUNITY CAT.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ASSUME THAT A COMMUNITY CAT IS FED AND TAKEN CARE OF.
SO MANY ANIMALS YOU READ ABOUT ARE DUMPED.
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I WOULD ABANDONED, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THAT BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BEST FRIENDS AND ALSO MARA, THAT, UM, ASSESSMENTS, BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENTS ARE INACCURATE.SO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND IF YOU WANTED TO DEFINE FRIENDLY VERSUS FERAL IS WHERE IT GETS MUDDY ON DECIDING WHAT IT IS.
BECAUSE BEHAVIOR IS NOT A BLACK OR WHITE SITUATION.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT WHEN WE PUT DEFINITIONS OF BLACK AND WHITE, BASICALLY EITHER YOU'RE FERAL OR YOU'RE FRIENDLY, THAT'S WHEN WE START HAVING ISSUES.
SO BEST FRIENDS WROTE A LETTER FOR REGIONAL DIRECTORS STATED THAT WHO WENT OVER OUR ASSESSMENT AND ALSO OVER OUR PROTOCOLS STATED THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE DEFINING WHETHER THEY'RE FRIENDLY OR FERAL.
THAT IS A VERY, UM, WHAT DO THEY SUGGEST? WE, WE CALL IT, THEY SUGGEST THAT WE USE THE DEFINITIONS BASED ON ALLY CAT ALLIES AND WE SHOULD RESUME THE PROTOCOLS AS IS.
UM, BUT I CAN SAY THAT THE, AS FAR AS BEHAVIOR ASSESSMENTS GO, THERE IS NO SCIENCE-BASED ASSESSMENT THAT IT HAS BEEN USED TO DECIDE FRIENDLY VERSUS VERBAL.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE PRETTY LENGTHY.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S A CONTINUUM, RIGHT? THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S NO SCIENCE BASE TO EVEN DO AN ASSESSMENT PERIOD, ESPECIALLY IN A SHELTER.
AND IT SAYS THAT ON THE LETTER THAT SHE WROTE ABOUT ALL OF THE REASONS WHY YOU CANNOT DO BEHA.
WE DON'T DO BEHAVIOR ASSESSMENTS ON DOGS EITHER.
SO MARA SAYS, UH, TRADITIONALLY, LET ME SEE, NO, LET ME SEE.
OH, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE ASSESSMENT IN HERE, YOUR HONOR.
HAVE THESE NOTES INCLUDE EITHER.
SO I MEAN IF THE COMMUNITY CAT IS FRIENDLY, IT NEEDS TO HAVE PROBABLY AN OWNER THAT SAYS, THAT'S MY CAT.
I FEED IT, I TAKE CARE OF IT, I JUST LET IT OUTSIDE, OR IT LIVES OUTSIDE, OR IT'S IN AND OUTSIDE, WHATEVER.
BUT FOR IT TO NOT HAVE A CARETAKER IS, IS THE TOUGH PART.
I THINK WE WOULD BE ASSUMING THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A CARETAKER.
THAT'S WHY THEY, OR WE'RE ASSUMING IT DOES.
WE'RE BASING THAT ON THE BODY CONDITIONING SCORE THOUGH.
THE BODY CONDITIONING SCORE WILL TELL YOU WHETHER THEY'RE THRIVING.
NO, THERE ARE A LOT OF CATS THAT ARE MAYBE FED BECAUSE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT A STARVING CAT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
YOU CAN'T ASSUME A CAT WANDERING AROUND IN SOME, WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT IT'S NOT EITHER.
AND SO I THINK MAKING BASE BASING ON IT ASSUMPTIONS AND NOT ALL BEST PRACTICES IS THE PROBLEM.
THERE'S BEEN RESEARCH THAT SHOWS THAT THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE THE BEST PRACTICES TO DO SO.
BUT OUR EXPERIENCE WITH IT IS NOT CORRECT.
WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S THE BEST PRACTICES FOR LAKE CITY.
THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY GOT UPSET ABOUT IS FRIENDLY CATS SHOULD GO UP FOR ADOPTION AND THEY WERE BEING PUT BACK ON THE STREET.
IF WE COULD I IF YOU COULD DOCUMENT THAT SOMEBODY WAS TAKING CARE OF THIS.
SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, SINCE THAT IS A CONCERN OF EVERYBODY, IS THAT WE START PILOTING THE PROGRAM, THE PROTOCOL AS IS WE ADD THE SAFETY MEASURES THAT MARA HAS SUGGESTED WITHIN HER ASSESSMENT.
AND THEN WE ADD ADDITIONAL SAFETY VENDORS.
FOR EXAMPLE, ANOTHER SHELTER IN, UM, THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT AT ANIMAL CARE EXPO THAT JULIE WAS DOING THAT THEY ACTUALLY PUT BREAKAWAY CALLERS WITH TAGS THAT SAID THINGS.
I THINK ELI, YOU DID IT AS WELL, THAT SAID THINGS SUCH AS IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THIS CAT, PLEASE GIVE US A CALL.
THEY GOT A VERY BIG, UM, RESPONSE RATE FOR THAT TO SHOW THAT THESE CATS WERE BEING OWNED.
AND I THINK MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PILOT TO KIND OF SEE IF THAT'S THE CASE FOR OUR CATS HERE OR IF IT NEEDS HELP OR IF IT NEEDS HELP.
SO MAYBE SHARE THAT STUDY OR REPORT OR WHATEVER THAT WAS YOU GUYS HAD.
THE STUDY FOR WHICH ONE? I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT WAS IN NEW ORLEANS AT THE ANIMAL CARE EXPOS.
IT WAS A PRESENTATION THAT SHE, SHE WENT TO, IT WAS AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION.
MAYBE YOU GUYS COULD SHARE THAT.
NO, YOU GUYS WERE AT THE, I I HAVE TO FIND THE, THE ACTUAL RESEARCH THAT'S BASED ON IT.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT'S INCLUDED UNDER, IF YOU GO TO THE FRIENDLY FOR A REASON PAGE THAT I GAVE YOU THAT WAS FROM BEST FRIENDS, IT HAS A RESOURCES THAT ARE ALL BASED ON RESEARCH OF WHY THAT, THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY BETTER TO BE RELEASED BACK OUT.
AND IT HAS A LIST OF THE RESOURCES AND THE RESEARCH.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE STILL, WELL
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YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE RESEARCH AND THAT IS THE RESEARCH THAT SHOWS ABOUT THE TEARAWAY CALLERS.WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY INCLUDED IN THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY WERE SHOWING HOW FRIENDLYS ARE I'D NEVER, AND THE STUFF THAT I, I TRIED TO READ AND TRIED TO LIKE LOOK AT THE VIDEOS, TRY TO KEEP UP WITH YOU.
WE CAN TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD SEPARATE.
WOULD YOU GO TO THE MICROPHONE SO EVERYBODY CAN HEAR MONICA AND DOING THE CLASS IN NEW ORLEANS, THEY DID IT TWO SEPARATE WAYS.
THEY HAD THE BREAKAWAY COLLARS WITH THE TAGS WHERE YOU WOULD CALL IN AND TURN A COMMUNITY CAT INTO AN OWN CAT TO WHERE WE GOT A CALL.
THEY GOT A CALL SAYING, THIS IS MY CAT.
WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT MICROCHIP, THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT MICROCHIP AND THEN REGISTER IT TO THAT PERSON.
AND THE SYSTEM THAT THEY HAD, THEY ALSO WANTED TO TAKE DATA AND BASICALLY PEOPLE, THERE WAS ONE WHERE IT SAID BASICALLY, IF YOU SEE THIS CAT CALL IN AND THEY WANTED TO PLOT WHERE THIS CAT WAS MOVING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO THE RESEARCH.
'CAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO DO A STUDY WITH THAT TOO, IS LIKE, HOW FAR DO THEY ACTUALLY TRAVEL? AND DID THE ALSO STUDY WHAT TO DO WHEN THEY DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE OFF THE CALL? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
'CAUSE THAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
SO I WAS TRYING TO GO BACK TODAY INTO THE SLIDES.
'CAUSE I, WE HAVE THE APP THAT WE USED FOR THAT SEMINAR AND I TRIED TO LOOK AND SEE IF THE SLIDES THAT WAS IN THAT PRESENTATION WAS ACTUALLY ATTACHED.
'CAUSE SOME OF THE TEACHERS WOULD ACTUALLY ATTACH THE SLIDES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND SOME DID NOT.
BUT I CERTAINLY CAN REACH OUT TO HER IF I CANNOT FIND IT AND GET THAT WHOLE PRESENTATION THAT SHE DID.
BUT IT WAS VERY, VERY INTERESTING.
AND ACTUALLY THERE WAS A POINT WHERE I ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP A SITUATION BECAUSE PATTY HAD BROUGHT IN A, YOU KNOW, A KITTEN, SIX MONTHS OLD, LONG BLACK HAIR AND SHE THOUGHT IT WAS DUMPED.
AND ACTUALLY IT WAS AN OWNED CAT TWO STREETS OVER.
BUT IT WAS JUST A SITUATIONAL THING THAT WENT UP AND TALKED TO HER AND SHE GAVE, I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGE, BUT SHE SAID THAT MOST CATS IT'S LIKE ZERO 0.0002 SOMETHING PERCENT THAT ARE ACTUALLY DUMPED THAT MOST OF THE CATS ARE OWNED CATS BY SEVERAL PEOPLE.
JUST MY EXPERIENCE FIELD HERE.
I'M JUST, IT TELLS DIFFERENT, I'M JUST SHARING THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME IN NEW ORLEANS.
SO THAT, THAT LADY, THAT, THAT BLACK CAT THAT I BROUGHT IN, THAT BLACK CAT.
SO I POSTED ON THE, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK AND THE LADY WHO OWNS THAT CAT, HER BOYFRIEND OWNS IT, WASN'T ON THAT FACEBOOK PAGE, BUT THE NEIGHBORS WERE AND KNEW THE CAT AND THEY TOLD HER I'M JUST, AND SHE GOT AHOLD OF ME.
I GAVE AN EXAMPLE THAT WAS OF HER, I GAVE AN EXAMPLE TO HER.
AND THAT'S WHERE SHE GAVE ME THE FEEDBACK OF THE PERCENTAGE OF ACTUAL YEAH.
I WANTED A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MANY TRULY ARE DUMPED.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT I CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE DUMPED OR ABANDONED.
THE, UM, SO I THINK ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S FACEBOOK NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD PAGES SPECIFICALLY FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THE DOWNLOAD POSTING THAT STUFF WOULD HELP GET SOME CATS, CATS, WHAT I LEARNED IN MY CLASS.
BACK TO THEIR OWNERS OR, YOU KNOW, BETTER, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO FIND DOCUMENTATION AND PROVIDE IT TO YOU GUYS.
BETTER ADVERTISING FOR THE CATS THAT THE CATS, THE DOGS AND CATS.
JUST GO ON OUR LIKE YOUR CITY SITES.
RIGHT? AND, AND THE SHELTER SITE.
BUT NOT LIKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SITES FROM WHERE THEY'RE PICKED UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'D BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHO I GUESS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING IT? MM-HMM.
WHO, WHO WOULD, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR POSTING IT ON THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD SITES AS WELL? THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU PICKED IT UP IN? YEAH.
BUT WHO, WHO WOULD BE POST, YOU'RE SAYING POSTED ON THE, LIKE THE FACEBOOK PAGES OR SOCIAL MEDIA? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET IN.
UM, IT WAS THINKING OF NEXTDOOR MAYBE OR SOMETHING.
A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT PEOPLE ARE SENDING OUT, IT'S EITHER NEXTDOOR OR THE FA THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE FACEBOOK PAGES.
LIKE WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK PEOPLE, VOLUNTEERS, POSSIBLY HELPING WITH THAT.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE A, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PERSON IS ALSO OUR ANIMAL SERVICES SUPERVISOR.
SO I CAN'T HAVE THAT PERSON ALSO DOING MORE POSTING FOR EVERY SINGLE CAT THAT WE INTAKE.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAVE A NO MORE APOS AND STUFF.
WELL, WE HAVE MORE APOS TO TAKE ON THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ALWAYS SLACKING FOR THE APO SITUATION.
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SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.SO I I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST TO PROMISE ANOTHER PROGRAM BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY WAS CONCERNED, LIKE SUE SAID ABOUT THE FRIENDLY CATS GOING OUT WITHOUT PEOPLE WHO YEAH, THAT'S MY CAT.
SO AT LEAST PUTTING THEM IN THE SHELTER, PUTTING 'EM IN THE ADOPTION ROOM, GAVE THEM A CHANCE TO FIND A HOME MAYBE.
OR THEIR OWNER WHILE IT'S SITTING IN THEIR ADOPTION ROOM SOMETIMES COMES BY AND SAYS, YEAH, THAT'S MY CAT.
AND SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
OSCAR WHO CAME IN WITH A COLLAR ON AND A BELL WAS ADOPTED WITH, WAS ABANDONED TWO STREETS OVER FROM WHERE HE WAS PICKED UP, PICKED UP BY YOU AND GINA.
HE HAD A COLLAR AND A BELL ON YOU THINK, AND THAT CAT IS GOT TO HAVE AN NOPE, THEY, THEY ABANDONED HIM AND THEY MOVED OUT WITH THREE OTHER CATS AND THEY LEFT A COLLAR WITH A BELL, WHICH MAKES IT REALLY HARD TO EVEN HUNT.
I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, WHAT RECOMMENDATION OF HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE PROGRAM ON, ON BEING ABLE TO KEEP THE FRIENDLIES VERSUS THE FERALS AND HOW WE WOULD DO THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO DO.
IT WAS NOT WORKING WHEN WE USED TO DO IT.
SO WHAT WASN'T WORKING THE, THE DETERMINATION OF WHAT WAS FRIENDLY VERSUS FERAL.
THERE WAS A DEBATE BETWEEN STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS AND WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF TIMES THAT THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH THE CATS THAT WERE BEING MOVED TO THE FRONT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE, AGAIN, ASSESSMENTS.
SO MARA DID SAY SOME OF THE MARGINAL ONES COULD BE PUT IN A FOSTER PROGRAM.
WE ARE ALSO HAVING ISSUES WITH THAT AS WELL.
RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, SINCE WE'RE DOING ANECDOTAL THINGS THAT PUMPKIN AND PIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT? YEAH.
THEY, UM, HAVE BEEN IN FOSTER FOR LONG TIME.
GOODNESS, QUITE SOME TIME UNTIL THIS WEEK.
UM, THEY WERE UNABLE TO BE RETURNED TO FOSTER OR TO THE SHELTER.
UM, MISSED NUMEROUS APPOINTMENTS BECAUSE EVEN AFTER MONTHS IN FOSTER CARE, UH, THEY REMAINED AND, AND FOLLOWING ALL THE BEST PRACTICES FOR SOCIALIZATION.
THEY REMAINED UNABLE TO BE SOCIALIZED TO THE POINT THAT THEY WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO BE TRAPPED AND THE OFFICERS HAD TO GO IN AND CATCH THEM.
UM, WELL I CAN AND SPICY WHO I HAVE NEEDS TO GO TO SPICY.
WE'VE ALSO HAD QUITE A FEW OTHERS THAT WE TRIED, YOU KNOW, THAT WITH.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THEN YOU PUT 'EM IN THE BARN CAP PROGRAM.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TOO, THAT SETTING FOSTERS UP FOR POTENTIAL FAILURE IS A GREAT WAY TO LOSE FOSTERS.
WE DON'T WANNA LOSE FOSTER WHO GIVE 'EM SUCH A HARD CASE AND THEN THEY'RE DEFEATED BECAUSE THESE CATS DON'T COME AROUND.
AND, AND I THINK MARA SAID THEY'RE ON THE A BORDERLINE WHEN YOU COULD TELL I, BUT THAT'S JUST ME AND I KNOW OF OPINIONS.
I NEVER THOUGHT THEY WERE BORDERLINE, BUT MAYBE 'CAUSE THEY WERE YOUNG.
IT WAS THAT THEY WERE BELOW THE SIX MONTH MARK AT THE TIME.
THEY'RE NO LONGER BELOW THE SIX MONTH MARK.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT JUST PUMPKIN AND PIE.
AND IT'S NOT, IF WE'RE TALKING ANECDOTES, THE FOSTERS THAT HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN SOCIALIZING, CATS HAVE DISCONTINUED FOSTERING, UM, EVEN WHEN THEY WERE RELIABLE FOSTERS PREVIOUSLY.
IS THAT RIGHT? OR THEY ENDED UP ADOPTING A COMPLETELY UNSOCIALIZED CAT THAT STAYS IN THEIR HOUSE THAT THEY CAN'T TOUCH AND NOW THEY WON'T FOSTER ANYMORE 'CAUSE THEY'RE FULL.
WELL, BUT WE HAVE THAT, I KNOW WITH PEOPLE WHO FOSTER KITTENS, THEN THEY FOSTER FAILURES AND THEY DON'T FOSTER ANYMORE EITHER BECAUSE THEY FALL IN LOVE WITH THE KITTEN AND THEY DON'T WANNA TAKE IT BACK TO THE SHELTER.
I MEAN, ANECDOTALLY NO, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO FOSTER OF THEM.
WELL, THEY'RE FULL AND THAT'S THE LAST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY'RE LIKE A MM-HMM.
SO I THINK YOU LOSE 'EM BOTH WAYS, BUT MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.
MAYBE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE LOSING MORE.
SPEAKING FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AS THE FOSTER COORDINATOR HERE FOR THREE YEARS, THE SOCIALIZATION IS A IT, YOU LOSE MORE OF THOSE.
IT, IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD ON THE FOSTERS TO BE UNABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THEN YOU LOSE THE ABILITY TO RETURN TO, TO FIELD AT THAT POINT.
AND THEY ARE THEN THE ONLY OPTION FOR 'EM AT THAT PART POINT IS WORKING CAT, WHICH BACKLOG THAT WORKING CAT PROGRAM AS WELL.
AND THEY WERE NEVER LIKE, I MEAN MM-HMM.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS WHOLE FIVE MONTH THING BEING AS WILD AS SPICY AND PUMPKIN WERE LIKE MM-HMM.
I WAS SURPRISED THEY WENT INTO FOSTER, BUT THEY WERE REALLY, ARE THEY GONNA BE PART OF THE WORKING CAT? UH, PUMPKIN AND PIE? YEAH.
UH, WE, THEY CAME BACK A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
UM, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN THE COM, UH, THE FREE ROAMING ROOM.
WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM A MOMENT TO SEE IF THEY'RE HANDLEABLE
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AT THE SHELTER.THEY WERE SEMI HANDLEABLE IN THE FOSTER'S HOME.
AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN HE COULD GIVE THEM TREATS AND TOUCH THEM, BUT COULD NOT GET THEM INTO A CARRIER.
COULDN'T PICK THEM UP, COULDN'T.
SO WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO FROM THERE.
BUT THAT AGAIN, IS GETTING INTO ALL OF THIS ASSESSMENT OF FRIENDLINESS, WHICH IS A REALLY DELICATE LINE TO WALK.
AND IT'S, IT'S A BALANCED BEAM.
YOU'RE GOING TO ERROR, IN MY OPINION, WHEN YOU'RE EVALUATING A CAT AT THE SHELTER.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GIVING THE KITTIES.
YOU CAN GIVE DOUBLES WHEN YOU'RE EVALUATING A CAT AT THE SHELTER.
MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA ERR ON THE SIDE OF CALLING THAT CAT A WORKING CAT OR A RETURN CAT BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE MORE UPSET IN THE SHELTER.
AND WE'RE PROBABLY PUTTING OUT NICER CATS WHEN THEY GO OUT MM-HMM.
SO I THINK, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT.
WOULD YOU AGREE? I I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION WAS.
SO I'M JUST SAYING MY OBSERVATION, IT WASN'T A QUESTION, WAS MY OBSERVATION IS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A CAT AND A DOUBLE AND THEY'RE PRETTY NOT FRIENDLY, NOT COMING TO THE FRONT.
AND, AND WE PUT THOSE CATS OUT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE PROBABLY FRIENDLY OUT OF THE KENNEL.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA AIR THAT'S, THATS A PROBLEM ASSESSMENT.
THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE FRIENDLY OUT OUTSIDE OF THE KENNEL THEN IN, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN LIKE QUITE THE TURNAROUND WHERE YOU NOT EVEN BELIEVE IT.
SO I THINK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CATS AND THEY HAVE A DOUBLE AND THEY HAVE A DECOMPRESSION PERIOD THAT GIVES US A REASONABLE CHA A REASONABLE CHANCE TO SEE KATIE KID, YOU GONNA COME UP FRONT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME UP FRONT, YOU'RE GONNA LIKE, TALK TO ME.
SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY OBVIOUS, RIGHT.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE MUCH LESS OBVIOUS AND THOSE ARE THE HARDER ONES TO ASSESS.
UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M, I'M UNCLEAR WHERE THAT'S GOING.
I WASN'T SURE WHAT I JUST, MY OBSERVATIONS ARE, THERE'S SOME THAT ARE REALLY EASY TO SAY, OH, YOU'RE JUST SUPER FRIENDLY LITTLE KITTY.
AND THERE'S SOME THAT ARE LIKE, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY.
YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS I DON'T WANNA RISK NECESSARILY PUTTING THOSE INTO FOSTER BECAUSE I LOSE THOSE SOCIALIZATION.
FOSTERS IS PROBABLY A TOUGH ONE TO SOCIALIZE GIVEN THE AGE AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE LIKE RETURNED FIELD CATS.
SO THE FOSTER NOTE WAS BRING WAS BROUGHT UP WHEN IT, THE OPTION WAS TO PLACE THOSE CATS IN FOSTER.
AND I'M JUST GIVING YOU SOME FEEDBACK ON PLACING THEM IN FOSTER AND HOW THAT'S GONE.
THAT WAS, THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
AND I'M TRYING TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT MM-HMM.
AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND FOSTERS THAT WILL DO IT AND THEN YOU MAY LOSE THEM.
THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING ABOUT THAT.
ARE THEY THE SAME PEOPLE? THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
THE SOCIALIZATION FOSTERS THAT TAKE ON THOSE NEONATES.
I DON'T SAY LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, IF WE WERE TO PLACE A BUNCH OF CATS IN FOSTER FOR SOCIALIZATION OH THOSE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE USING OUR YEAH.
THE MAJORITY OF OUR FELINE FOSTERS ARE NEONATE OR UNDERAGE KITTEN FOSTERS.
I DON'T YOU WOULDN'T PUT LIKE A SOCIALIZATION FOSTER WITHIN, I MEAN, I JUST THOUGHT YOU CATEGORIZED THEM NEONATE.
NO, THEY'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO DOING BOTH.
BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT THE MAJORITY OF THEM, NO.
I'M JUST SAYING, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SAYING IT'S HARD TO EVALUATE CAT BEHAVIOR AND IT IS, BUT WHEN WE EVALUATE CAT BEHAVIOR IN THE KENNEL, MY EXPERIENCE IS, YOU'RE GONNA CALL IT A MORE FERAL CAT LOOKING AT IT IN THE KENNEL AND DEALING WITH IT.
AND THOSE CATS ARE GONNA GO OUT.
SO I THINK WITH THE FRIENDLY, THE QUESTION OF FRIENDLY FOR ON OUR END IS MORE OF THE FACT THAT WE DON'T FEEL WE HAVE A RIGHT TO TAKE SOMEONE'S FRIENDLY CAT AND PLACE IT ON THE ADOPTION FLOOR JUST BECAUSE IT'S NICE.
BUT SOMEONE'S CAT WHO HISES AT US GETS PUT BACK.
BUT IF YOUR CAT HERD AT US, IT GOES ON THE ADOPTION FLOOR.
WELL YOU MEAN HISSING IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING IF THEY'RE GONNA COME AROUND.
THEY'D HAVE TO DO MORE THAN THAT.
WELL, BUT THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE SUPPORT.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SO MANY ABANDONMENTS ON LAKESIDE, I HAVE SEEN IT'S HORRIFYING.
THE PEOPLE THAT JUST LET THE, AND THEN THEY MOVE AWAY.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE ASSESSMENT THAT WAS LIKE RECOMMENDED TO DO DIFFERENTLY OKAY.
WAS, UM, EDUCATION AND RESOURCES, WHICH WE HAVE PREPARED AND WE WERE KIND OF DISCUSSING AS WELL.
UM, ONE OF THOSE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE CALLERS.
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MARKETING.WE HAVE AN ENTIRE WEBSITE THAT'S COMPLETELY BUILT AND, AND READ OR WEBPAGE I SHOULD SAY, COMPLETELY BUILT AND READY TO ROLL.
YOU KNOW, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS HIT PUBLISH, UM, THAT HAS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, RESOURCES.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU FIND A CAT, UM, THEY HAVE THE BROCHURES THAT YOU WERE PROVIDED OR FOR THE OFFICERS TO GIVE IT TO PASS OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY RETURN A CAT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN IT DOES SAY, DOES THIS CAT NEED HELP? HOW DO I KNOW IF IT NEEDS HELP? CONTACT US IF IT NEEDS HELP IF THEY FIND A TAG AND IT NEEDS HELP.
SO I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT A CAT MAY BE RETURN AND THAT'S FRIENDLY AND THEN NEED HELP IF IT NEEDS HELP, IT HAS A SAFETY NET.
I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT BACK AND ON THE STREETS AND PICKED UP SOME OF THE CATS THAT GOT, THAT WERE LEFT OUT AND UM, I MEAN LISA SHRIMP PUT ON A POUND IN SEVEN DAYS.
IT WAS STUNNING HOW MUCH SHE ATE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A CAT GAIN WEIGHT SO FAST.
UM, AND THAT WAS BEFORE ANY OF THOSE, LIKE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND SAFETY NETS WERE AVAILABLE.
UM, SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE, THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT COULD BE DONE DIFFERENTLY FOR FUTURE CATS.
SO YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE SAFETY NETS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WERE GIVEN THIS SOP TO REVIEW.
SO ARE THE SAFETY NETS IN THE SOP OR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I HAVE NOT UPDATED THE SOP DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE PUT THE PROGRAM ON HOLD.
SO AFTER THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AND WE DECIDE TO UPDATE THIS, THEN I WILL UPDATE THE SOPS.
BUT THIS WAS BACK IN JULY THAT THIS WAS PERIOD.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT ONE POINT YOU THOUGHT LIKE WE COULD STILL GO WITH THIS.
ONCE I HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
BUT I HAVE NOT, I HAVE NOT TOUCHED THIS PROTOCOL SINCE JULY.
STILL, STILL, WE GOTTA MAKE THIS WORK WITH THE COMMUNITIES.
I MEAN, IN MARA'S REPORT SHE TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, UM, WE HAVE AN EXCEPTIONAL SHELTER.
WE HAVE AN, WE'RE DOING EXCEPTIONAL AT GETTING CATS ADOPTED.
AND UH, WE HAVE A GREAT FOSTER SYSTEM.
AND SHE TALKS ABOUT THIS IS LIFE AFFIRMING TO LET THESE CATS OUT.
IT'S LIFE AFFIRMING FOR THOSE SHELTERS THAT HAVE TO EUTHANIZE.
AND I WOULD SAY AS WELL THAT THE GOAL, THE ULTIMATE GOAL FOR THIS WOULD BE WE ARE, WE ARE ISOLATING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS OUR HELP.
CURRENTLY, WE ARE NOT AN OPEN ADMISSIONS SHELTER AS MUCH AS WE ARE NO KILL, WE'RE NOT OPEN ADMISSIONS BECAUSE WE DO NOT DO OWNER SURRENDERS.
AND EVERY DAY WE GET SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE BEGGING FOR OUR HELP, WHETHER THEY'RE HOMELESS AND LIVING IN THEIR CAR, WHETHER THEY'RE BEING EVICTED, WHETHER THEY'RE IN A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION AND THEY NEED TO OWNER OR SURRENDER THEIR CATS.
AND CURRENTLY WE'RE TURNING THEM AWAY EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO THOSE ARE LEAGUE CITY RESIDENTS? YES MA'AM.
AND IF YOU WERE TO COUNSEL THEM AND THE CAT PEEING IN A CORNER AND YOU CAN OVERCOME THAT, HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WE TRIED TO, WE OFFER RESOURCES AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT, BUT THERE ARE GONNA BE CIRCUMSTANCES AND SITUATIONS.
THEY'VE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER, THEY HAVE ALL THESE, THESE SITUATIONS.
IF WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR CARE TO BE ABLE TO HELP THESE, THAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE GOAL.
DO YOU HAVE DATA ON THOSE? HOW MANY CALLS YOU GET? HOW MANY YOU TURN AWAY, WHAT THE REASONS ARE? I, IF YOU GO TO OUR HOME TO HOMEPAGE, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY LISTED ON THERE.
SO THE HOME TO HOMEPAGE IS WHERE THOSE, THOSE CAP ARE WE, WE TRY TO SEND THEM TO THERE.
IF THEY EVEN GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY, IF THEY HAVE TIME, IF THEY HIRE TIME TO POST, IF THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY, IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD START ON THAT DATA TO SHOW THAT.
AND ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU FEEL THAT THEY MAY BE BEING DUMPED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE OPTIONS, THIS GIVES PEOPLE AN OPTION TO NOT DUMP THEIR CAT.
WHICH RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE.
IT'S LIKE SOME OF THESE GUYS DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER THAT.
SO GO AHEAD AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF I'M NOT GETTING THIS, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA PUT THESE CATS THAT WE'VE PICKED UP THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR ADOPTION.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE OWNED.
IF I CAN'T FIND MY CAT, WHO DO I CALL THE SHELTER? I WOULD ACTUALLY, SO NO, LEMME FINISH.
UM, WE'RE GONNA PUT THOSE CATS BACK OUT WHERE THEY GOT PICKED UP ASSUMING THAT SOMEBODY'S CARING FOR THEM SO WE CAN BRING MORE CATS IN ON OWNER SURRENDERS.
IS THAT, I MEAN, I I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO, TO CLEAR UP A COUPLE OF THINGS.
WHEN YOU'RE SAYING MOST PEOPLE KNOW TO COME TO THE SHELTER, THEY GET THEIR CAT, THEY DON'T, SO IT, HOW CAN YOU THAT'S SO
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WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE.I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE I DO.
I DO BECAUSE I, I PAY ATTENTION AND I SEE PEOPLE, WHAT DO I DO WITH, OR HOW DO I DO THAT? PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
HOW DO THEY NOT, I MEAN THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT.
IT'S AMAZING TO YOU AND I PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
AND STATISTICALLY, IF A CAT IS KEPT OUTDOORS, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY LOOK WITHIN THE STRAY HOLD PERIOD AT A SHELTER.
THEY ASSUME IT MAY TAKE LONGER FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY BEGIN THE SEARCH.
AND AT THAT POINT THEY MAY BE ADOPTED.
WHICH HAS HAPPENED, UH, COUNTLESS TIMES IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, THE MOST COMMON THINGS ARE YOU PUT OUT THE SIGNS, YOU TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU CALL THE SHELTER.
AND IF YOUR CAT'S NOT THERE THE FIRST DAY, THEN YOU CALL AGAIN.
IF THEY'RE NOT THERE, THEN YOU CALL AGAIN.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF REFLECTED IN OUR RECLAIM AND OUR OWNER RECLAIM PERCENTAGE IS SO MUCH LOWER FOR CATS THAN IT IS FOR DOGS BECAUSE OF THAT.
BECAUSE, AND THEN NATIONALLY AND THEN NATIONALLY TOO, IT'S ONLY AT 2.5% THAT PEOPLE RECLAIM THEIR CATS NATIONALLY IN SHELTERS.
IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMMON THAT PEOPLE COME AND RECLAIM THEIR CATS.
SO THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO NOT COME TO THE SHELTER LOOKING FOR THEIR LOST CATS.
YOU'RE SAYING I'M NOT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S BY CHOICE? BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE THEY'RE CHIPPED.
Y'ALL CALL TO SEE WHOSE CAT IT IS AND THEY SAY, OH, I, YOU KNOW, IT GETS OUT ALL THE TIME.
I DON'T WANT 'EM, I'M NOT SPECULATING ON WHY.
I JUST KNOW THE STATISTICS AND DATA THAT'S BEYOND IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE SAID.
THE CAT MY MOM ADOPTED FROM THE SHELTER WAS THE CAT AFTER HARVEY.
THEY CAME IN AND LOOKED AT HER, SAID YEAH, SHE NEVER REALLY FIT IN OUR HOUSE ANYWAY.
I CAN JUST, I'M JUST REPEATING WHAT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DATA THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME BY BEST FRIENDS AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WE'RE TELLING YOU LEAGUE CITY DATA REAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE LEAGUE CITY CATS.
WHICH I KNOW, YOU KNOW WELL THAT'S NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU ON THAT.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU WERE ASKING ME A QUESTION, I WANTED TO ANSWER IT FOR YOU BASED ON THOSE NATIONAL STANDARDS.
NOW IF YOU HAVE DATA TO SHOW DIFFERENTLY FOR LEAK CITY RESIDENTS, ACTUAL STATISTICAL DATA, THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT.
I JUST HAVE THESE EXAMPLES THAT WE KEEP RUNNING INTO OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE FIELD WITH THESE CATS AND THE PEOPLE YOU TALK TO AND PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE AND YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, IF THE CAT, I'M SORRY, IF THE BOARD HAS RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS ASSESSMENTS GO, I'M OPEN TO HEAR THEM.
WELL, I MEAN, STARTING OFF WITH THE WORDS AND THE, WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE SOMEHOW.
FRIENDLY CATS CAN BE OUTSIDE, BUT IT NEVER DAWNED ON US THAT THE SHELTER WAS GONNA TAKE FRIENDLY CATS AND PUT THEM BACK OUTSIDE WITHOUT A VERIFIED OWNER.
SO I MEAN, CHANGING THE WORDS IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE, WHATEVER YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WOULD BE A FIRST STEP.
AND UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO STILL GET THESE CATS OUT.
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT A SEVEN DAY DECOMPRESSION PERIOD.
LET'S SEE HOW THEY GO PUT 'EM BACK OUT IF YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE ADOPTABLE AGAIN, BUT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DATA ON THE CATS.
MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE SHELTER IS THEY TURNED AROUND AND TOLD THE PEOPLE, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
THE CAT PROBABLY LIVES TWO STREETS OVER.
TURNED OUT THE CAT WAS CHIPPED TO SOMEBODY IN HOUSTON AND THEN, AND THEN THE SHELTER TOLD COLONY PEOPLE, UH, ON WEST AND LAKE, ALL THOSE DRIVES BACK THERE ON LAKESIDE AND WEST DRIVE.
YOU JUST DON'T REALIZE THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WALK THE DOGS UP AND DOWN THE STREETS ALL THE TIME AND FEED ALL THESE CATS.
SO THE, THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE SHELTER AND, AND AND TELLING THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY JUST DON'T KNOW.
THESE CATS REALLY HAVE FEEDERS.
YOU JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT ISN'T DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD RIGHT NOW.
AND LIKE LISA SHRIMP OUT THERE.
I MEAN, SO THE BODY SCORE IS A SLENDER BODY SCORE.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MARGIN WHEN YOU'RE PICKING A CAT UP THAT SLENDER.
AND SOME OF THESE CATS THE PEOPLE HAVE ARE LIKE TWO WEEKS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FIND OUT WHO OWNS IT.
SO IT'S GOT A GREAT BODY SCORE.
SO THEN WHAT DOES THE SHELTER TELL 'EM? IF YOU FEED A CAT LIKE IT SAYS ON THE ORDINANCE FOR THREE DAYS, IT'S YOURS.
I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR OPTION TOO, RIGHT? WOULD THEY NOT THEN HAVE THE O OPTION FOR OWNER SURRENDER IF WE'RE ABLE TO OPEN SPACE FOR THAT THOUGH? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IF WE'RE NOT WORRYING, IF WE HAVE OPEN SPACE AND ADOPTIONS, WE CAN OPEN UP OWNER SURRENDER IS WHAT JASMINE'S SAYING.
THIS WAS A HOUSTON CAT AND WE DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT IT STILL LIVED IN HOUSTON.
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THE OWNERS WEREN'T HERE IN HOUSTON OR THIS PERSON.
THE OWNERS LIVED IN NASSAU BAY.
THEY CAME AND PICKED UP THE CAT.
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CATS WERE DUMPED LIKE MM-HMM.'CAUSE SHE WAS ALREADY FIXED ACCORDING TO SNIP AND THEN A YOUNG MALE.
BUT, BUT YOU WERE SAYING THAT AT THREE DAYS THAT THEY OWN IT AND NOW THEY'RE STUCK WITH IT.
WELL, I MEAN, SO WHAT IM SAYING IS IF THEY AREN'T ABLE TO FIND THE OWNER AND THEY DON'T WANNA KEEP IT, THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY THEN BE ABLE TO DO AN OWNER SURRENDER IF WE'RE ABLE TO OPEN THAT OPTION.
FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT THE CAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IF THEY FOUND THE CAT AND THEY KEPT IT OVER THE THREE DAYS, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN OWNER SURRENDER? POTENTIALLY.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROGRAM NOW.
I'M SAYING THAT'S AN, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS DO TAKE CORNER ROUNDERS.
YOU CAN THROTTLE THAT RIGHT NOW AND NOT THEM STOPPING YOU.
CURRENTLY I, I AM HESITANT DEPENDING ON WHAT THOSE, THE OUTCOME OF THIS IS GOING TO BE DEPENDING ON OUR CAPACITY FOR CARE.
THAT'S THE ONLY, MY ONLY HESITATION RIGHT NOW IS DOING THAT IF WE DECIDE TO CONTINUE DOING ASSESSMENTS AND CONTINUE TO DO AND KEEPING CERTAIN CATS.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE KITTEN SEASON RIGHT ON THE EDGE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT WE CAN KEEP CARE OF ALL OF THOSE ANIMALS.
SO I'M HESITANT TO ALLOW TOO MANY OWNER SURRENDERS RIGHT NOW DUE TO THAT.
SO THEY'RE DOING HOME TO HOME, WHICH IS GOOD.
UH, CATS ARE LESS LIKELY TO GET, UM, I BELIEVE ADOPTED THAN DOGS ARE ON THERE.
BUT I CAN LOOK AT THE DATA TO VERIFY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ONE WEEK DECOMPRESSION PERIOD.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WITH THE ONE WEEK AND TWO WEEKS.
UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO WEEKS, I THINK IT WAS LIKE, HEY, LET'S JUST DO TWO WEEKS.
BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ELI AND LYNETTE.
UM, I BELIEVE THE CONCERN WAS THAT YOU TOOK TWO WEEKS AS A HARD TWO WEEKS.
AND THAT IS ACTUALLY FOR LIFESAVING.
YOU HAVE NO CHOICE TYPE OF SITUATION WHEN YOU GO THAT FAR ALONG.
SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR WITH THAT IN CASE YOU'RE SAYING ONE WEEK IF THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM, 72 HOURS IS JUST HOW YOU RUN A NORMAL TNR PROGRAM.
RIGHT? JUST IT'S TAKING THE SCIENCE OF THE STRESS AND THE ILLNESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND THE POSSIBILITY OF RESOURCE MOVEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT TWO WEEK PERIOD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR CATS THAT HAVE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MADE THEM UNABLE TO BE RELEASED.
FOR EXAMPLE, HE CAME IN WITH A, AN INJURY THAT CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A QUICK TREATMENT WITH A TURNAROUND.
HE CAME IN WITH A MILD URI HE NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF MEDICATION.
WE COULDN'T GET THE SURGERY WITHIN 72 HOURS.
WE COULD GET IT WITHIN 96 HOURS, YOU KNOW.
BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE YOUR STANDARD.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO 72 HOURS ANYWAY WITH OUR SPAY NEUTER.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE WORKING ON.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M WORKING WITH PURCHASING ON RIGHT NOW.
SO WE CAN HAVE A VOUCHER SYSTEM FOR THOSE THAT ARE BEING ADOPTED SO WE CAN UTILIZE OUR OTHER FUNDING FOR THOSE IN-HOUSE ANIMALS TO GET 'EM DONE QUICKER.
'CAUSE I KNOW, I, I DON'T, I KNOW WHAT'S GOING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I JUST KNOW CATS HAVE BEEN WAITING A WHILE TO GET FIXED.
THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PURCHASING AND BUDGET DEPARTMENT TOO AND LEGAL, UM, TO WORK ON THAT.
IS THAT FOR ADOPTED CATS FOR VOUCHERS? IT IT CAN BE, YES.
OH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PROTOCOLS FOR IT.
I, BECAUSE I JUST, THE CATS NOW BACK NOW WHILE I'M LOOKING AT THE LEGALITY OF IT AND THINGS, AND THEN WE HAVE TO WORK WITH BUDGET ON HOW WE WOULD ACTUALLY DO INVOICING AND ALL OF THAT.
SO WE HAVE, BECAUSE THE CATS ARE IN THE BACK THERE, THE, LIKE THE WILDER ONES, THEY'RE NOT.
SHE'S SAYING IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOME VOUCHERS, WE'D BE ABLE TO FREE UP SOME, UH, IN-HOUSE SURGERIES.
FOR THOSE TO MOVE IN THROUGH FASTER.
BUT LAUREL'S HOUSE DOESN'T TIP ANYWAY.
SNIP DOES, BUT ONLY SNIP DOES.
SO VOUCHERS WOULDN'T HELP THERE WITH SNIP.
IT'S NOT A VOUCHER FOR THE RIGHT TNR THOUGH.
NO, IT WOULD BE FOR THE OTHERS.
IT WOULDN'T HELP WITH OUR SNP BACKUP.
SO SNIP WAS ALSO ON A HOLD BECAUSE OF THE PURCHASING AND ISSUES YES.
SO WHERE DO YOU WANNA GO NEXT? WELL, WHAT HAVE WE, WHAT HAVE WE SOLVED? NOTHING.
WE JUST, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO SOLVE THINGS AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S GREAT TO DISCUSSION.
WELL, WE SAID WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE, WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHY I, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T SOLVE THE INITIAL QUESTION.
SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE IT TO WITHOUT A WORKING GROUP? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THAT DECIDED.
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I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE LIKE AN HOUR HERE TONIGHT.I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX WORDS IN LIKE AN HOUR.
A MONTH WITHOUT A WORKING GROUP.
MAY WE GET A WORKING GROUP THAT CAN GET TOGETHER AND, AND, UH, SUGGEST THESE CHANGES AND THEN REPORT BACK TO THE MAJOR COMMITTEE AT, YOU KNOW, THE FULL COMMITTEE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
DOES THE CITY ALLOW THAT? 'CAUSE WE CAN'T MEET, YOU CAN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
AND THEN PROPOSE THE WORDS TO THE REST.
I, I, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO FIX, BUT TO DO NOTHING AND TO KEEP ON PUTTING IT O OFF IS MY CONCERN.
SO THEN, SO LET'S HAVE A DEFINITE TO WORK ON THE WORDS WORKING GROUP.
AND THEN WHO WANTS TO WORK ON THE WORDS? I'LL, I'LL VOLUNTEER.
BECAUSE OUR, OUR GOAL, I MEAN, I WAS HOPING THIS, THIS MEETING, BUT OUR GOAL SHOULD BE THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING TO BUTTON THIS UP AND BE DONE AND, AND GET A STARTING POINT.
IS EVERYBODY GONNA AGREE ME BUT NOT THE WHOLE THING? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS.
IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE A, IF WE HAVE OUR, OUR WORKING GROUP, THEN THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT AND GO, GO, GO OVER IT.
AND ANY CHANGES THOUGH TO THE ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
I MEAN THAT'S, BUT BUT WE NEED TO, BUT WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER, I UNDERSTAND.
SHOULD WHAT WE WANT TO PRESENT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR SO THAT WAY IT WAS CLEAR.
BUT YES, BECAUSE I THINK MAR'S REPORT SUPPORTS A LOT OF THAT TOO.
SO, SO, SO WE'LL GET SOME OF THE WORD CHANGES.
WE'LL COME UP WITH A TIME THAT WE CAN MEET THE, THE THREE OF US.
AND THEN WE CAN PRESENT EVENTUALLY TO COUNCIL AT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER LONG AFTER THAT IS, IS AVAILABLE TO US.
YOU WOULD PRESENT IT TO NOT JUST JASMINE, BUT THE OLD CLASSROOM.
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT AT, AT OUR NEXT, OUR NEXT MEETING THEREAFTER.
PRESENT IT TO EVERYBODY AND THEN, AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
BUT WE, WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE ALSO TO INCLUDE THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON IF THE, OR IF THE LANGUAGE HAS CHANGED? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO IMPLEMENT THINGS AS WELL? AS FAR AS IN THE SHELTER FOR OPERATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND FIT IT WITH, IF IT CAN FIT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING YOUR PROCEDURES.
IF, IF THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IS CHANGING, IS IT ALSO TO ALSO HAVE IT AS OF SOME SORT OF PROTOCOLS OR PROCEDURES TO GO WITH THAT SENSE? THE LANGUAGE IS CHANGING.
OH, IT, I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING BASED ON JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE.
SO JUST HAVING SOME HELP WITH THAT.
IF SOMETHING CHANGED, IF THERE'S LIKE TO THE POINT WHERE THERE WOULD BE A PROCEDURAL CHANGE YES.
WE, WE'LL WE CAN GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
JUST LIKE IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANT A DISTINCTION BETWEEN FRIENDLY AND FERAL, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO IMPLEMENT THAT? THAT TYPE OF THING.
I'M SURE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
AND SHE'S TELLING YOU THAT'S HARD AND SHE'S NOT.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS TO DO.
UH, WE CANNOT PROVIDE YOU A CHECK.
UM, SO JUST TO FOR CLARIFICATION, CITY ADMINISTRATION'S NOT WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY FORM OF TNR UNTIL THAT RECOMMENDATION HAS COME FOR THE BOARD.
I UNDERSTAND WE'RE LOOKING AT A WORKING GROUP, BUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, IF THERE'S ANY WANT TO RESUME TNR IN SOME CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMITTEE.
UNTIL, UNTIL THEN WE CANNOT RESUME TNR WITHOUT THAT AP APPROVAL.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
UH, AFTER COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED US TO PAUSE UNTIL THE COMMITTEE HAS PROVIDED THAT FEEDBACK.
SO IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF HYBRID OR SUGGESTIONS NOW THAT DO NOT REQUIRE CITY ORDINANCE CHANGES AND THE COMMITTEE TRUST THAT THIS IS A WORKING GROUP IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND THERE'S A STILL A WANT TO RESUME TNR, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH A VOTE.
SO STAFF CAN'T JUST GO AHEAD AND RESUME BASED OFF OF THE REQUEST OF ONE OR TWO MEMBERS.
UH, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, UH, SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE CATS THAT WERE IN THE BACK ROOM AND WE NEED TO MOVE TNR QUICKER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CATS IN THE BACK ROOM.
UM, BUT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION
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HAS ASKED THAT WE JUST NOT PAUSE IT COMPLETELY UNTIL THAT REQUEST COMES IN THE COMMITTEE.SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO YOU WANT SOMETHING FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE AN INTERIM THAT NO PRESSURE TO DO THAT.
THAT'S JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT IF THERE WAS ANY, ANYONE YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT WITHOUT SOME SORT OF AN OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION AND NOT JUST A SUGGESTION.
YOU, YOU WANT AN OFFICIAL VOTE COR CORRECT.
NOW THE COMMITTEE SAYS JUSTIFY CONSUMPTION.
WE'LL DO THAT IN THE MEANTIME FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF THE ANIMALS IN THE SHELTER.
IF THEY HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN RESUMING T AND R, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD JUST THEN BE AT THE TRUST THAT THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE WORKING GROUP, PROVIDING SUGGESTIONS.
AND THEN AT, YOU KNOW, A LATER VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL WOULD COME NEXT.
AND WE CAN'T VOTE ON THE TN RRCS.
SO WHAT, WHAT I, UH, IT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER ITEM TWO WITH POTENTIAL ACTION.
SO, SO YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT OKAY.
SO WHAT I SUGGESTED TO JASMINE AND, AND, AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW IS THAT JUST TO GIVE THE CATS A SEVEN DAY COOLING OFF PERIOD AND A DOUBLE, WHICH PROBABLY DON'T HAVE MANY AND GET 'EM, GET 'EM OUT IF THEY'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY FRIENDLY, GET 'EM TURNED BACK OUT, RELEASED BACK OUT WAS A SUGGESTED COMPROMISE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU AND DIANE DID, RIGHT? DIANE AND I, WE WENT IN AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE KITTIES.
CORRECT? YEAH, WE DID COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE KITTIES.
WE DID THAT ONCE AND SOME OF THEM HAVE BE RECOMMENDED TO DO.
WELL THEY'RE ON THE WORKING CAT PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY FAR EXCEED THE TWO WEEKS THERE.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
SO THEY'RE REQUIRED WORKING CATS.
BUT I MEAN, WE SAID THEN MOVING OUT WITH THE ONES THAT WERE BEING COLLECTED UP.
TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM AND OUT FOR ADOPTION ROOM.
SO, SO, SO WITH A POTENTIAL OF, WE'VE GOT AT LEAST A MONTH BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN AS A WHOLE COMMITTEE AND THE INTERIM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR WORKING GROUP.
AND SO IT'S GONNA BE THEN AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH, THERE COULD BE SEVERAL MONTHS.
IS THERE A WAY THAT ANYBODY COULD AGREE TO RESUME THE PROGRAM WITH PER PERHAPS AND JASMINE WITH PERHAPS SOME SORT OF CAVEAT OR SOME SORT OF, I'LL SAY INTERIM CHANGES IS, IS, IS WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING, THE SUGGESTION WAS GET THE CAT IN, LET IT HAVE SEVEN DAY DECOMPRESSION PERIOD AND STRAY HOLD ON A DOUBLE MAKE A DECISION.
IS IT FRIENDLIER OR IS IT NOT? AND AND WILL THIS TAKE CARE OF THE BACK? A BACKLOG THAT WE HAVE? THE BACKLOG IS OVERCOME BY THE THIS TWO WEEK, 30 DAY RULE.
ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN IN THERE.
THOSE ARE AUTOMATICALLY AND I AGREE.
BARN WORKING CAT PROGRAM CATS.
AS OF RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 12 CATS IN STRAY HOLD.
UH, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY'RE ALL DOUBLED PRESENTLY.
THEY'RE ALL WHAT? THEY'RE ALL IN UM, FULL KENNEL WITH THE PORTALS OPEN.
UM, AND THE DATE RANGE FOR INTAKE ON THOSE IS BETWEEN ONE SIX AND TWO.
TWO JANUARY WE GOTTA GET MOVING ON.
WELL, BUT BUT, BUT THEY ARE STUCK.
IF, IF WE DO SOME SORT OF A, I'LL CALL IT PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORDS.
ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? KNOWING THAT WE ARE GOING TO IMPROVE THE LANGUAGE, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THINGS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE NEED TO SORT OF DO SOMETHING.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S AMENABLE TO THE CITY OR Y YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
IF WE WANTED TO MOVE RESUME WITH SOME SORT OF CHANGES THAT DON'T RESULT IN CHANGING THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T JUST THEN START, YOU KNOW, VIOLATING THE CITY ORDINANCE.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS FROM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE ONES THAT ARE IN STRAY HOLD NOW WOULDN'T BE RELEASED.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY EXCEED THAT.
THAT IS THE, IF WE'RE SAYING 72 HOURS, NONE OF THEM, IF WE'RE SAYING TWO WEEKS, THERE'S ONE THAT IS AT 12 DAYS
IS SHE FIXED? UM, HE OR SHE FIXED GEORGE, LEMME LOOK THIS BY MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME SORT OF FORM WOULD THEN RESULTANT NOT HAVING MORE KA COMING INTO STRAY HOLD BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TNR PAUSED.
SO, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WOULD BE A CHALLENGE WITH CAT.
YEAH, SO TWO OF THOSE CATS I'VE ASKED FOR, UM, LADY PER AND UM, JACK'S AND THOSE WERE MOVED UP ON THE SURGERY LIST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PLACE TO GO.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE ON THE LIST FOR THIS WEEK.
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AND THEN, CORRECT ME JASMINE, THIS IS THE CONDITIONS WE ARE CURRENTLY PRIORITIZING TRYING TO ESTABLISH SOME RELATIONSHIPS FOR THE BARNYARD CAP PROGRAM AS WELL TO DEAL WITH THOSE.UM, LYNETTE SPENT TIME CALLING MULTIPLE SHELTERS THAT CURRENTLY HAVE WORKING CAP PROGRAMS OR BRIAN CAT PROGRAMS TO TRY TO RELEASE THEM.
WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO BEST FRIENDS TO SEE IF THEY HAD CONNECTIONS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS.
SO YES, WE'VE BEEN WORKING, YES.
TRYING TO MAKE PARTNERSHIPS FOR THOSE DOUBLE KENNEL LEADS, BUT NO, UH, NO YESES YET.
WE SAID WE SAID SEVEN DAYS AND THEN FAMILIES GO TO ADOPTIONS AND THE AND THE, OKAY.
THE ONES YOU CAN'T EITHER GET THE FOSTER 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO OR NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE OR GO BACK OUT.
AGAIN, IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING SOMETHING MOVING IN THE INTEREST OF NOT CREATING A BIGGER BACKLOG IN THE INTEREST OF YEAH.
THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION SO THAT WE'RE NOT SEEN AS THE ADVERSARIES.
'CAUSE Y'ALL WORK HARD AT THE SHELTER.
WE, WE SPEND OUR TIME UP HERE.
WE'RE ALL PASSIONATE ABOUT ANIMALS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GIVEN ALL YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE MEDICALLY WE'VE ALL HAD DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES BUT WE ALL WANT TO GET, MAKE THINGS BETTER.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RESERVE RESUME THE PROGRAM AND OUR CAVEATS WOULD BE A SEVEN DAY COOLING OFF PERIOD.
WHICH WOULD FREE UP MORE FOR ADOPTION.
WELL THEN YEAH, AND YOU'D HAVE TO ASSESS RIGHT, RIGHT.
THE SEVEN DAY COOLING OFF JUST SO IN A DOUBLE KENNEL.
AND I WOULD SAY WE WOULD NEED TO DETERMINE THE ASSESSMENT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCREPANCIES ON, ON THAT AS WELL.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON AS OPPOSED TO HAVING CORRECT.
I'M JUST INTERESTED IN, IN FORMAL PROGRESS THAT'S AMENABLE TO EVERYBODY.
WE HAVE HAD, UM, THAT SAME TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE WE HAD A LIST OF UNSOCIALIZED VERSUS SOCIALIZED BEHAVIOR THAT WAS LISTED BY ALLY CAT ALLIES TO KIND OF HELP GUIDE IT TO IT.
WE, WE WOULD NEED A THIRD PARTY.
A MAJORITY OF MY STAFF MEMBERS ARE DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THE ASSESSMENTS.
SO WHY? AND THAT'S THAT, THAT'S, I HEARD THAT STATEMENT BEFORE AND THAT KIND OF STUCK WITH ME A LITTLE BIT.
THE, IT'S DUE TO THE, IT'S DUE TO THE LACK OF SCIENCE BEHIND IT.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS AN ASSESSMENT THAT SAYS THIS IS SOCIALIZED, THIS IS VERSUS UNSOCIALIZED.
SO THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IT.
WHY DON'T, LIKE I SAID EARLIER THAT DIANE AND PATTY DID IT, WHY DON'T YOU, DURING THIS 30 DAY PERIOD HAVE SAME THING PATTY, DIANE, OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH FERAL BEHAVIOR.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
TO SEE WHO'S FRIENDLY, WHO'S NOT.
THAT IS WHAT I, THAT IS WHAT I SAID THAT I AGREED TO WAS A THIRD PARTY DOING IT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LYNETTE BE ABLE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT SO THAT WAY WE CAN ENSURE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN DIANE AND UM, PATTY DID THEIR ASSESSMENTS, WE WENT BACK ON OUR OWN AND DID IT.
AND WE HAD VERY DIFFERENT, UM, EXPERIENCES, RESULTS WITH THOSE CATS.
THEY DID RESULTS WE DISCUSSED WALKING THROUGH TOGETHER.
SO THAT WE COULD SEE THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME.
WE COULD ALL BE ON THE SAME, AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THIS IS AGAIN, THIS SPIRIT OF COOPERATION.
WORK TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, BUT, AND AGAIN, I'VE MADE A MOTION THAT WE, WE DO THIS WITH THOSE CAVEATS SURE.
AND WITH BEING WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ON THE ASSESSMENT PART.
SO THEN HAVE LIKE A, A GROUP OF SAY THREE LIKE YOU AND YOU AND DIANE, WE PUT OUT DIANE, KEEP THROWING YOUR NAME OUT THERE WITH YOU.
AND IF SHE DOES, THAT'S GREAT.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT SHERRY ANAS.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE DOING IT? YEAH.
AND THEN, UM, SANDY, SANDY JOHNSON, SANDY JOHNSON WAS A POSSIBILITY TOO.
SO AGAIN, YOU'RE, I WAS GONNA SAY, IS SHE FEELING BETTER HERE TO BRING THIS FORWARD? SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A SMALL ENOUGH GROUP TO PICK FROM TO SAY, HEY, ON THIS DAY MM-HMM.
AND YOU CAN HAVE DO EVERY DAY, THREE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING THE SAME LANGUAGE AND WE'RE SEEING THE SAME THING.
THAT JUST LIKE WHEN I HIRE PEOPLE OR INTERVIEW PEOPLE, YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE IT JUST BASED ON ONE PERSON.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER HAVE SINGLE INTERVIEW WHEN YOU HIRE SOMEBODY.
YOU WANT DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT'S.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT AN ODD NUMBER.
SO WE'RE AN ODD TOWN, BUT I'VE MADE THE MOTION.
DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT? JUST FOR THE SPIRIT OF NEEDS TO SECOND PLEASE.
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I'M SORRY.YOU CAN PUT YOUR HAND UP IF YOU WANT.
SO THAT MEANS WE ARE CONDITIONALLY STARTING THE PROGRAM UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS BUTTONED UP, WHICH HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE, AND THE MAIN THING WE'RE GONNA WORK ON IS LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND I WOULD STILL SAY THE DEFINITIONS BETWEEN FRIENDLY, FERAL AND THAT GRAY AREA.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE BIG THING IS THE GRAY AREA.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS.
UH, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CAT IS DEEMED NOT FRIENDLY TO BE RELEASED OUTSIDE, ARE YOU GUYS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IF THERE'S A FEEDER OR NOT? OR ARE YOU JUST RELEASING? I THINK IT NEEDS A FEEDER.
EVEN THE, EVEN THE FERALS THAT ARE RELEASED GO BACK TO THEIR COLONY.
AND SUPPOSEDLY THE COLONIES ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE REGISTERED EATERS.
THAT'LL BE THE JOB FOR THE, THE WORKING GROUP.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, THAT'D BE SOMETHING.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, BUT YOU GUYS ARE ALSO DOING THE, YOU SAID YOU WERE IMPLEMENTING THAT, UM, QUESTION, THAT QUESTIONNAIRE AGAIN, THAT'S IN THAT SOP.
SO WE, WE ORIGINALLY WERE USING THE QUESTIONNAIRE.
THE PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED THAT THE A PO STOPPED WAS BECAUSE THEIR CHARACTER WAS COMING INTO QUESTION AND THEIR ETHICS.
SO WE WERE DECIDED NOT TO CONTINUE AS THE OFFICER'S, UH, CHARACTER WAS BEING ATTACKED.
BUT THERE WAS LIKE GATHERING OF THE INFORMATION IN THE YES.
DID YOU SEE THE INTAKE FORM? SO IT'S LIKE THIS INFORMATION GONNA BE GATHERED THEN IN THE INTERIM.
WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED TO START DOING THAT AS WELL.
I WAS HEARING IT WASN'T, BUT IT IS THAT IS INCLUDED PREVIOUSLY.
PREVIOUSLY WE DID, I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT, CORRECT.
AT THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED THIS AND WE SAID THAT WE WERE GONNA RESUME IT.
YEAH, YOU DID MENTION THAT, BUT THEN I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.
IT GOES INTO OUR FIELD SERVICES DATA, SO THAT WAY WE CAN AGAIN TRACK THESE, THESE, UM, INTAKES.
SO ARE WE GOOD THEN? SO WE CAN MOVE, MOVE ON THEN, OR, I MEAN, THIS, THIS LOOKS SUFFICIENT TO YOU.
I, I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT HERE TO, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS IN A BALANCED WAY.
YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK AND YOU TALK ABOUT BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENTS, A CAT, YOU KNOW VERY WELL.
BUT LIKES, IF I, IF I JUDGED BISCUIT, I'D SAY THAT'S AN UNFRIENDLY CAT.
LAYS WITH MY WIFE EVERY NIGHT.
LET'S SAY DAUGHTER PICK HER UP, HATES ME.
AND, AND, BUT WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO MAKE IT BALANCED AND REASONABLE.
GOING BACK AND FORTH AT EACH OTHER, WHICH HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, IS NOT SOLVING ANYTHING COMMON REASON, YOU KNOW, CALM, REASONED DISCUSSION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS GONNA SOLVE IT.
AND WE'RE GONNA GET US BACK IN THE FOREFRONT OF, OF, OF THE CARE THAT WE PROVIDE TO OUR, OUR COMMUNITY ANIMALS.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD, WE MADE PROGRESS TODAY.
AMY TOLD ME, SHE SAID BE AFRAID OF BETSY
UM, ARE YOU WANTING THIS TO START LIKE TOMORROW? ARE YOU WANTING IMMEDIATELY IS THERE A DATE THAT WE NEED TO START? I, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S ANY REASON TO START TO NOT START TOMORROW.
I MEAN, IT SHOULD INCLUDE THAT CAT THAT'S AT 12 DAYS.
SO IS THAT KINDA WHAT YOU'RE CHECKING TOO? OR JUST IF I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO COMMUNICATE TO THE STAFF.
UM, SO WE'RE SAYING MOVING FORWARD, BEGINNING TOMORROW, WE ARE BEGINNING A SEVEN DAY HOLD.
AND DURING THAT SEVEN DAYS, WE'RE GOING TO ASSESS, OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA BEGIN TO ASSESS UNTIL AFTER SEVEN DAYS.
I'D LIKE TO GO IN, UM, IMMEDIATELY AND SEE, I'D LIKE TO GET THE INITIAL, THEY'RE STILL FREAKED OUT.
AND THEN MAYBE SEVERAL DAYS LATER OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE CATS COME IN, THAT'S KIND OF A, I DON'T WANNA JUST GO IN EVERY DAY TO THE SHELTER.
LIKE, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I GOT TO DO.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF, IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN SEE THE STRAIGHT HOLD SITE AS WELL, WHICH IS LIVE AND UPDATES AUTOMATICALLY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT AS WELL IF YOU EVER WANNA SEE FROM HOME.
JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE ON THE WEBSITE.
AND IT'S UP TO, I CAN TRUST THAT IT'S, IT'S UP TO DATE.
IT'S OUR BUSY, I'M NOT CONDEMNING NO, NO.
IT'S, IT'S IT'S CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO SHOW LOVE.
OH, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT
AND AS FAR AS THE DURATION, IT'S UNTIL WE GET SURE.
I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON STAFF UNTIL WE GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AND GET THIS ALL BUTTONED UP.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON WHAT THIS, THE KENNEL
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STAFF OR MM-HMM.AND THEN CERTAINLY YOU'RE WELCOME TO COMMUNICATE WITH US IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
SHOULD WE DO WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING THE DATA GATHERING STUFF THAT'S LIKE, BUT YOU ARE SAYING NO RELEASE EARLIER THAN SEVEN DAYS REGARDLESS OF BEHAVIOR.
I, I, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I COMMUNICATING DAYS, PULLING OFF PERIOD UHHUH JUST TO SEE UHHUH WAS JUST A NUMBER WE THREW OUT TO START OFF WITH.
BUT IT JUST WAS A NUMBER THAT I THOUGHT WAS GONNA, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GO WITH I'M, I I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M CLARIFYING.
IT SEEMED LIKE NOT TAKING UP ELI'S FULL TWO WEEKS, WHICH ELI WANTED IT CLOSER TO THE, AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THOSE TWO WEEKS ARE FOR THE EXTREMITIES ANIMALS.
SO I WAS TRYING TO BE AT SEVEN DAYS AND NOT PUSH IT.
WOULD YOU TO CONSIDER 72 AS THE, AS AS THE, THE GOAL AND IF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUSHING FOR SOME OF THOSE THAT YOU FEEL ARE, ARE ON THE BORDER SO THAT WE CAN STICK TO, TO THE BEST PRACTICES A LITTLE.
HOW, HOW ABOUT IF WE SEE THOSE THAT ARE DEEMED JUST I'LL SAY THE GOLDEN CHILDREN CAN, YOU KNOW, CAN THAT ARE JUST HIT THE DEFINITIONS.
IS THAT AMENABLE OR SHOULD WE, YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO SURE.
I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO REACT THAT VAST NECESSARILY WITH VOLUNTEERS TO GET THERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, IS GETTING SOMEBODY THERE TO TO MM-HMM.
WELL I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF WE GO AND SEE THAT ANIMAL AND IT'S NOT ON THE SE AT THE END OF THE SEVEN DAYS AND WE SAY THIS CAT'S REALLY FRIENDLY, WE CAN PULL THE TRIGGER THEN INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL THE ON THE FRIENDLY CATS, THAT WOULD BE EASIER.
BUT THAT AT LEAST GETS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING SOME MOVING IS THAT IF THEY ARE OH YEAH.
THE FRIENDLY CATS ARE EASIER TO YEAH.
FIGURE OUT THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT, BUT AGAIN, OKAY.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING FOR THE OTHER WAY.
DO YOU GET THAT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD SHE SAID PUT BACK OUT, SO I WAS LIKE THINKING FERRELL.
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YOU CAN, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO IT'S PERFECT TIMING.ARE WE DONE? ARE WE DONE HERE WITH EVERYTHING? YEAH, WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS IF WE'RE GOOD.
AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF MINUTES, IF YOU COULD PLEASE MAKE SURE TO STATE YOUR NAME.
AND MY QUESTION IS, HOW DOES THIS 72 HOUR SEVEN DAY PERIOD WORK WITH THE SPAY NEUTER SCHEDULE? BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET CYCLED THAT FAST FOR, FOR SPAYING NTER.
WE'RE HOPING TO RECTIFY THAT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH PURCHASING TO GET IT DONE QUICKER.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T RELEASE THEM, EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE KNOWN FERAL.
SORRY I HADN'T BEEN AROUND FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT, UH, CHRISTMAS KIND OF BUGGERED THAT.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
LIKE HOW MANY CATS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I MEAN, HOW MANY CAGES DO YOU HAVE? 14 DOUBLES IN STRAY HOLD.
12 OF THOSE ARE TAKEN UP RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THESE CLEARED OUT INTO WORKING CAT POSITIONS.
SO WE, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE WITH LIKE THEY SAID, MAMA CATS AND STUFF.
AND, AND THAT'S COMING UP SOON.
UM, HOW MANY CAGES IN THE ADOPTION CENTER? BECAUSE IT, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF CRATES, RIGHT? YES.
THE ADOPTION ROOM HAS WHAT, LIKE 25, 26, 26 KENNELS PLUS THE COLONY ROOM AND THEY'RE ALL FULL.
UM, WHICH WE DON'T PUT FERALS UP IN THE ADOPTION ROOM.
RIGHT? NO, I AM, I I TOTALLY GET THAT.
I WE HAVE AN INDOOR FERAL, HE LIKES ME NOT SO FOND OF TERRY EXCEPT FOR WHEN HE FEEDS HIM.
SO I GET THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THEY LOVE MY WIFE.
UM, AND AND THAT SHOULD REALLY BE ALSO CONSIDERED WHEN YOU'RE ASSESSING THEM, IS HAVE A MAN INVOLVED AS WELL.
BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO REACT DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON WHO THEY'VE BEEN USED TO.
UM, AS FAR AS YOUR STAYING THAT, UH, ALLY CAT ALLIES DOESN'T DEFINE THE TWO I'M ON THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW AND IT DOES, I ACTUALLY SUBMITTED IT TO THE BOARD, THE SOCIALIZATION CONTINUUM, WHERE IT STATES THAT THEY SAID THAT SOCIALIZATION IS FLUID.
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AND THAT THERE'S NEVER ONE RIGHT.THERE'S NOT A FERAL VERSUS FRIENDLY THING ON THERE.
AND IT DOES HAVE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FERAL AND STRAY.
BUT IT ALSO, I CAN, DAWN, I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE.
I'M NOT, I'M, I CAN SEND YOU THE INFO THAT I HAVE.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT I HAD? THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT I HAD HERE.
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH HAS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO LOOK AT CAT BEHAVIOR AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE SOCIABLE.
THE NIH, THE NIH I'M LOOKING AT PUB PUBMED RIGHT NOW AT AN ABSTRACT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE I'LL SEE IF I CAN PULL IT UP.
'CAUSE I GOT SEVERAL PAGES OPEN RIGHT NOW AND I YEAH.
THE NI THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT'D BE INTERESTING.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE ABSTRACT BECAUSE AS Y'ALL WERE TALKING I WAS LIKE GOING THROUGH SEARCHING FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.
'CAUSE I WANNA BE SURE THAT I AM AS EDUCATED AND AS INVOLVED AS I CAN BE ABOUT THIS.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING OUT CATS DURING THE WEATHER WHEN WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT OUR REALLY COLD SEASON.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT THEM OUT IN THE REALLY HOT SEASON, WHICH THIS SUMMER'S GONNA BE BLISTERING.
UM, AS FOR THE DOGS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE SHELTER, 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT CATS.
THERE IS A SHELTER TO SERVICE ORGANIZATION WHERE YOU CAN TAKE THE DOGS THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE BASED ON ASSESSMENT, TO BE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT ANIMALS, OR YOUNG ENOUGH TO BE TRAINED AS, AS SEEING EYE DOGS OR HEARING ASSISTED DOGS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T JUST HAVE OLDER DOGS.
YOU'VE GOT SOME YOUNGER ONES THAT CAN, THAT CAN, UH, MOVE INTO THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROGRAM AND HELP VETS HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE DISABLED.
YOU KNOW, CRIPPLING DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, WHATEVER WE DO THAT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE YOU DO? GOOD FOR YOU.
I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WERE INVOLVED IN THAT PARTICULAR, WE'RE INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OF THEM.
THERE'S, UH, PETS FOR VETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE DO FOR PTSD, TSD.
BUT WE ARE, WE'RE OPEN TO MORE IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEND ANY OUR WAY.
IF YOU HAVE NO RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF Y'ALL COULD MAKE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THAT.
BECAUSE I WHAT INFORMATION? WELL, LIKE THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS YOU'RE INVOLVED IN AND, UM, THOSE WE PARTNER WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO DO SO, SO TECHNICALLY WE JUST CALL THEM WHEN WE HAVE AN ANIMAL THAT OR THEY COME BY.
BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO MM-HMM.
WHEN WE DO IT, WE DO TRY TO POST WHEN WE HAVE THE SUCCESS.
IT'S JUST SOMETIMES I CAN GO AND LOOK AND THERE'S NOT ANYTHING USEFUL TO, TO GLEAN, YOU KNOW.
SO THOSE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS AND QUESTIONS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
I'M HEARING HER TALK ABOUT THE WEATHER.
MADE ME ASK, IS THERE ANY KIND OF GUIDELINE OF TEMPERATURES THAT IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO GO AHEAD AND RELEASE ANIMALS, IT'S TOO HOT OR TOO COLD? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER HEARD THAT.
IF IT'S EXCEPTIONALLY ONE OR THE OTHER THAT THERE'S A PAUSE IN RELEASING ANIMALS.
SO TECHNICALLY, UH, THE PAUSE USUALLY HAPPENS DURING THE SURGERY.
SO ONCE THEY COME OUT OF SURGERY, OF COURSE IF IT'S INCLEMENT WEATHER OF RAINING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE DON'T RECOMMEND RELEASING BECAUSE THE SUTURES ARE WATER SOLUBLE.
WE DON'T WANT THEM OPENING UP, UH, IN THE RAIN.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO LAY DOWN ON BLISTERING CONCRETE THAT WILL, UH, CAUSE DAMAGE TO, TO THE WOUND.
SO WE, AGAIN, WE DON'T RECOMMEND.
SO LIKE LAST SUMMER WHEN WE HAD THAT INCREDIBLE HEAT WAVE, THERE WAS NO PAUSE ON RELEASING ANIMALS DURING THAT VERY HIGH HEAT.
ELI, WOULD YOU USE YOUR MICROPHONE? I WAS, I I CAN SORT OF HEAR IT.
SO YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE, I DON'T THINK THE RECORDING PICKED UP.
SO WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? UM, SO DURING THE HEAT OF THE, THE LAST SUMMER, THERE WAS NO PAUSE ON RELEASING ANIMALS DURING THE WEEKS OF PERIOD WHERE THERE WERE INCREDIBLY HIGH TEMPERATURES.
I WASN'T HERE DURING LAST SUMMER, SO I DON'T KNOW THE STATISTIC.
WELL, I I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING SAYING THAT THERE WAS A GUIDELINE.
SO NOW I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION.
CERTAINLY SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK AT WITH THE, OF COURSE.
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THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHERE WOULD I FIND THE DATA ABOUT THE RELEASE PERIOD? UM, THE TWO DAYS, THE TWO WEEKS I'VE GONE ONLINE AND TRIED TO FIND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM SOURCES.SO WHAT IS THE BEST SOURCE FOR ME TO FIND THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW LONG YOU CAN HOLD A CAP BEFORE YOU WORRY THAT IT WON'T BE ACCEPTED BACK WHERE IT CAME FROM? WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LEAH LONG FROM BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SOCIETY SENT ME SOMETHING THAT STATES THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 72 HOURS OR THE 48 HOURS.
AND THE 72 HOURS ACTUALLY IS WHAT THEY RECOMMEND AND THE SICKNESS THAT OCCURRED FOR THAT.
SO I CAN FIND THAT AND SEND IT TO YOU.
AND THAT MIGHT ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WORTH POSTING SO THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROGRESS, THE POLICY THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING.
IS THAT THE ONLY SOURCE OF THAT INFORMATION? I, I BELIEVE ALL SOURCES USUALLY SAY 72 HOURS OR LESS.
SENDS ME LIKE AN EXTREME BASIS THEN MAYBE I'M LOOKING UNDER THE WRONG PHRASE.
SO WHAT WOULD I PUT IN FOR MY SEARCH WHEN I GO TO, WHAT I CAN DO IS SEND YOU THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE 72 HOURS.
SO THEN WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLING IT, I CAN USE THAT FOR A SEARCH WITH OTHER SURE.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH BEST FRIENDS FOR LEAH LONG.
SHE'S THE COMMUNITY CAT EXPERT FOR THE REGION, SO I CAN GET WITH HER.
WHAT WAS HER NAME AGAIN? LEAH LONG.
SHE'S WITH BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SOCIETY.
SHE DOES THE COMMUNITY CATS FOR THEM.
WE, SHE WAS PART OF THE PRO OF THE MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH, UM, BEST FRIENDS REGARDING OUR PROTOCOLS.
SO I CAN JUST REACH OUT TO HER TO HAVE THAT.
AND I CAN ALSO SEND YOU ANY OTHER RESOURCES THAT I MAY HAVE THAT ALSO STATE THE 72 HOURS.
I ALSO ASKED, UM, DRE IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA HAS BEEN UP THROUGHOUT THE MEETING, BUT YET I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SO I ASKED DRE IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE DURING THE MEETING FOR THE ADDITIONAL HANDOUTS THAT THE COMMITTEE RECEIVED.
MAYBE THOSE COULD BE PUT UP DURING THE DISCUSSION ON THAT TOPIC.
ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? LIZ WILLIAMS? CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME OKAY? JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
IT TOOK ME ALMOST EIGHT MONTHS.
ONE OF 'EM, IT TOOK ME FIVE MONTHS TO WORK WITH THE OTHER ONE.
I COULD HUG THEM, PET 'EM, KISS 'EM, HOLD THEM.
OH, I GOTTA TAKE THIS EMPLOYEE OFF THIS PERSON AND, AND TAKE THIS PERSON OVER HERE TO GO GET FIXED AND THEN I'M GONNA PULL THIS EMPLOYEE UP.
IT JUST TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GO GET 'EM FIXED.
A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT EVERY NIGHT FOR FIVE MONTHS.
AND IT WASN'T LIKE AN HOUR OR TWO, IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME CALLING HIM, TALKING TO HIM.
HE HEARD ME, HE RECOGNIZED ME.
I CAN CALL HIM AND HE'LL COME TO ME.
SO IT DOESN'T TAKE ALL THIS TIME THAT I KNOW Y'ALL ARE BUSY WITH THE DOGS AND Y'ALL ARE BUSY WITH THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THEY WERE BORN OUT IN THE STREET AT SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD IN THE COAT.
AND WE LOST TWO OTHER SIBLINGS IN THE CODE.
AND WHEN I CALLED TO GET HELP FROM Y'ALL, Y'ALL COULDN'T HELP ME.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAS CANCER AND CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEM.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I NEEDED THE HELP TOO.
AND I HAD TO SIT THERE AND SEE TWO LITTLE BABIES NOT COME BACK.
AND THEN SHE GOT PREGNANT AGAIN.
AND THEN SEE HER OTHER TWO LITTLE BABIES NOT COME BACK AND THEN SEE HER MOTHER DISAPPEAR OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
AND THE FATHER, SAME THING DISAPPEARED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
SO ALL THIS TIME I WAS DOING THAT, MY CAT HAD KIDNEY FAILURE AND I WAS TOO BUSY TAKING CARE OF THOSE CATS THAT I COULDN'T GET HELP WITH, TRYING TO TRAIN THE OTHER CATS TO WORK WITH SO I CAN BRING 'EM IN.
AND THEN MY OTHER ONE, I LOST HER TO A HEART ATTACK.
AND IT BREAKS MY HEART THAT ALL OF US HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS OF WHAT IS FERAL AND WHAT ISN'T FERAL AND WHAT IS STRAIGHT AND WHAT ISN'T STRAIGHT AND WHAT IS FRIENDLY, WHAT ISN'T FRIENDLY.
WHY DON'T WE JUST ALL JUST TRY TO HELP GENERAL.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PHARAOH OR A STRAY.
IT'S AN, IT'S A LOVING CAT, LIKE A LOVING DOG.
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AND IT'S GONNA TAKE, NOT HIM BUT HER, BUT NOT HER BUT HIM.EVERYBODY'S HELP TO JUST TRY TO HELP THIS POOR BABY.
'CAUSE THESE TWO BABIES THAT DIED OUT IN THE STREET DIDN'T DESERVE TO FREEZE TO DEATH.
I MEAN, FREEZE TO DEATH SOMEWHERE IN THE STREET UNDERNEATH YOUR CAR, BUYING YOUR WASHER AND DRYER HOOKUP, JUST TRYING TO STAY WARM.
AND Y'ALL PUT ALL THESE OTHER CATS THAT Y'ALL HAVE THAT ARE ON THE STRAY HOLD OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE ON THEIR WEBSITE NOW.
I THINK THEY SAID THEY'RE ON THE WEBSITE.
YOU CAN POST LEAGUE CITY, UH, THE SHELTER WEBSITE.
THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, UM, YOU HAVE SOUTH SHORE FACEBOOK, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS, FACEBOOK, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT FACEBOOK PAGES ARE ALL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE LIVE IN SOUTH SHORE.
THEY'RE ALL IN THE SOUTH SHORE FACEBOOK PAGES.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TALK OF LEAGUE CITY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE LOST AND FOUND.
AND THAT ONE IS THE BIG ONE THAT EVERYBODY ALWAYS SAYS, IF YOU LOST YOUR CAT, GO OVER THERE.
AND THE CAT THAT I FOUND AT MY HOUSE THAT I, Y'ALL CAME AND PICKED UP THE OWNER CALLED LEAGUE CITY AND THEY PICKED UP THEIR CAT AND THEY KNEW TO CALL LAKE CITY.
SO EVERYBODY DOESN'T ALWAYS KNOW A LOT OF THINGS, BUT EVERYBODY DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE FACEBOOK, YOU KNOW, COMPUTER, ALL THE ABOVE.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE AN EASIER WAY.
BUT THE, THE HEARTBREAK OF ALL OF THIS IS I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S GOTTA BE, EVERYTHING'S GOTTA BE WORDED RIGHT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF Y'ALL ARE WRONG BECAUSE Y'ALL ALL SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER.
YOU'RE CALLED LEAGUE CITY CARE.
START CARING INSTEAD OF ARGUING AND FIGHTING IN THIS WAY AND THAT WAY THERE'S GOTTA BE A COMPROMISE BETWEEN ALL OF Y'ALL FOR THE SAKE OF THE POOR ANIMALS.
ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, THREE TIMES.
[4. Select next meeting date]
NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS SELECT THE NEXT MEETING DATE.UM, SO IT'S BEEN REALLY ROUGH HAVING OUR, OUR MEETINGS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN CONFUSED AND WE'RE NOT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC WHEN WE HAVE MEETING DATES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT'S HOW IT WORKED.
BUT I WAS, YOU KNOW, OTHER MEETING GROUPS KIND OF JUST HAVE A DAY EVERY MONTH THAT THEY COMMIT TO THAT THE WAY THE PUBLIC LIKE KNOWS AND CAN RELY AND PLAN THEIR LIFE AROUND THAT.
SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LIKE GO THERE.
SO INSTEAD OF LIKE PICKING THE DAY OF THE MONTH, DO YOU, DO WE WANNA STICK WITH, WHAT WAS IT JASMINE? WHAT DID YOU GUYS ALWAYS DO? WAS IT THE SECOND THINK IT WAS THE SECOND WEDNESDAY? THAT'S WHAT I, THE SECOND WEDNESDAY.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T DO TUESDAY 'CAUSE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS.
AND WE WERE DOING IT ON MONDAYS, BUT THAT'S RHONDA'S DAY OFF.
AND WE DON'T WANNA, WE CAN'T DO THURSDAY.
'CAUSE THE SHELTER'S OPEN UNTIL SEVEN, SAME AS TUESDAY.
LET'S, LET'S DO IT THE SECOND WEDNESDAY, WHICH WOULD BE THE 13TH.
WHICH WOULD BE THE 13TH OF MARCH.
AND THEN WE CAN KEEP IT ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.
THAT WAY WE DON'T, IT MAKES SENSE, DOESN'T IT? MM-HMM.
YOU GOTTA GET BACK TO A REGULAR, BACK TO A REGULAR SCHEDULE.
THE PEOPLE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST US.
IT'S LIKE YOU SAID PUBLIC TOO.
PUBLIC NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING THEY CAN COUNT ON.
SO ALWAYS THE SECOND WEDNESDAY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
THAT WAS A GOOD, THAT WAS OKAY.
I'M, I'M, UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS MY SCHOOLING.
SO I WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT MY SCHOOLING, YES.
IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE WHERE SHE CAN, THERE'S SOME PROX FOR YOU.
I CAN ALWAYS HAVE PROXIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR IF I NEED TO.
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ABSOLUTELY CAN OR AT LEAST NOT NECESSARILY A PROXY, BUT AT LEAST SHE CAN JUST SPEAK.Y'ALL WE'RE CHANGING IT OFF, BUT MONDAY.
ARE YOU MOVED OFF OF MONDAY BECAUSE IT WAS HER DAY OFF? RHONDA RHONDA'S DAY OFF.
BUT THE MINUTES ARE NOW BEING WERE GENERATED BY THE REPORT.
NO, RHONDA'S NOT HERE WORKING AT THE LAST ONE.
SO IS, IS MONDAY A BETTER WAY? RHONDA WAS AT THE LAST ONE.
DRE ACTUALLY HAD TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S WILLING TO LOOK AT THE RECORDINGS AND RECORD THE MEETINGS AFTERWARDS.
SO THE NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE MARCH 13TH.
AND THE AGENDA WILL BE THIS, THE WORDS, I GUESS ON THE, WE'RE COMING BACK WITH THE WORDS, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH A DEFINITION OF THE ORDINANCE.