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[1. Introduction of new Committee member, Karl Wankowicz]
SHELTER IN THAT LITTLE TOWN, SHE HAS ADOPTED A CAT, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.AND SHE, SHE WANTED IT TO BE THAT WAY, AND I LIKE THAT.
AND OUR YOUNGEST DAUGHTER IS 22 AND STILL LIVES WITH US AT HOME, AND SHE'S A TEACHER AT A DAYCARE CENTER.
UM, WE'VE RAISED OUR KIDS TO CARE ABOUT THINGS AND TO EXPRESS YOURSELF.
AND THAT'S HOW I GOT INVOLVED WAS WE CARE ABOUT ANIMALS.
CERTAINLY ALL OUR PETS, ALL OUR CATS HAVE BEEN FROM EITHER SPCA IN HOUSTON OR, UH, HERE IN, UH, THE LEAGUE CITY SHELTER.
UH, IT MEANS A LOT TO US TO, TO SPEAK UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG AND AGAINST WHAT WE FEEL IS WRONG.
AS PATTY WELL KNOWS, TWO OF OUR CATS ARE, UM, I'LL CALL THEM SPECIAL NEEDS CATS, BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT BY WATCHING THEM ON A DAILY BASIS.
UM, AND THEY, AND IT'S FUNNY TO WATCH THEM CHASING THEMSELVES AROUND, AROUND THE HOUSE.
IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A HERD OF BUFFALO.
AND I BLAME PATTY FOR THE UPBRINGING OF JUAN AND TERRY ROGERS FOR THE, FOR THE OTHER ONE.
UM, AND TERRY GETS ALL OFFENDED WITH
YEAH, IT'S, BUT, UH, WE HAVE FOUR CATS AND THAT'S OUR FILL FOR NOW.
AND, UM, I JUST HAD TO TAKE A BREAK.
I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE BEFORE, UH, FOR A WHILE, HAD TO TAKE A BREAK FOR WORK OBLIGATIONS.
I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE WAS AN OPENING.
I'M GLAD TO BE BACK INVOLVED AND TO GIVE BOTH THE SHELTER AND THIS COMMITTEE AS, AS POSITIVE, UH, AN OUTLOOK AND REPUTATION AS POSSIBLE.
AND I'M JUST GLAD TO BE HERE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, SO WE'LL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
COMMENTS REGARDING THE SHELTER STATISTICS MONTHLY REPORT FOR DECEMBER.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? I KNOW I SENT IT TO THE BOARD EARLIER.
I DON'T THINK, I DIDN'T COMMENTS.
I DIDN'T GET IT IN NO COMMENTS.
[3. Comments regarding Shelter Manager’s Update]
COMMENTS REGARDING SHELTER MANAGER'S UPDATE? YEAH, I SENT ALL OF THAT I THINK ON THE FOURTH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS V COMMENTS ON THAT.YEAH, THAT STUFF WAS ALL SENT PRETTY EARLY BECAUSE THAT WAS THE THING THAT YOU GOT DELAYED.
NO, THAT WAS STUFF THAT WAS SENT.
IT'S COMPLETELY, BUT LIKE WHEN WE WERE GONNA HAVE THE MEETING IN THE EARLY JANUARY MM-HMM.
LIKE, LIKE SHE SAID, THE 4TH OF JANUARY.
SO NO COMMENTS ON THE SHELTER MANAGERS UPDATE.
WELL, J REAL BRIEFLY, UM, JASMINE MM-HMM.
THE STATE OF THE SHELTER, THE STATE OF THE OPERATION, THINGS GETTING BETTER.
ARE WE STILL SORT OF LACKING IN THINGS? UM, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY BETTER.
UM, IN THE CANINE DEPARTMENT WE ARE DOING AMAZING COMPARISON TO THE NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR SURE.
UM, WE HAVE EITHER HAD AN EMPTY COMMUNITY ROOM, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.
UM, OR MAYBE ONE OR TWO THAT WOULD COME IN OVERNIGHT.
AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE ROOM TO PUT THEM IN.
SO WE'RE DOING AMAZING IN COMPARISON.
I, I THINK I SENT THE BOARD A COPY OF, UM, A FACEBOOK POST FROM AGGIE LAND WHERE THEY'RE HAVE ABOUT 90 DOG.
THEY HAVE A CAPACITY OF 40 AND THEY HAVE 90 IN THEIR KENNELS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND I ALSO SENT THE BOARD SOME NATIONAL STANDARDS TODAY THAT HAD, UM, THAT THERE'S A PERCENTAGE DOWN.
IT'S THIS ADOPTION PERCENTAGE FOR LARGER DOGS ARE DOWN, UM, SINCE 2019.
SO IN COMPARISON, I THINK FOR DOGS ARE DOING GREAT CATS.
I THINK WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING OKAY.
OUR STRAY HOLD ROOM IS VERY FULL.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF ON HOLD RIGHT NOW AS EVERYBODY KNOWS FOR THE COMMUNITY CAT POLICY.
UM, AND THEN ANY CATS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE UP FOR ADOPTIONS, WE'VE BEEN MOVING UP, SO.
SO ALL IN ALL, YOU'D SAY, ALL IN ALL, I WOULD SAY WE'RE DOING GREAT.
WE'RE, UM, FILLING OUT THE TWO LEAD POSITIONS THAT WE WERE GRANTED FROM COUNCIL, SO THAT'S GREAT.
WE'RE HAVING THE TWO LEAD TECHS AND LEAD APOS.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR LEAD A PO HERE, ELI, SO HE'S HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR THE, UH, FILLING THE LEAD A CT RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, UH, ANOTHER NOTE, OUR ANIMAL SERVICES SUPERVISOR HAS OFFICIALLY PUT IN HER NOTICE, SO KEISHA WILL BE LEAVING US.
SHE'S GOING TO BEST FRIEND'S ANIMAL SOCIETY, SO CONGRATULATIONS ON HER.
UM, AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY FILLED HER POSITION, UH, LYNETTE BOER IS GONNA BE THE NEW SUPERVISOR FOR THAT.
SO I THINK OVERALL WE'RE DOING GOOD.
I KNOW THINGS WERE TOUGH FOR A WHILE.
THE LAST TIME I WAS IN THE SHELTER WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO AND YEAH.
I THINK IN COMPARISON, EVEN WHEN WE ARE AT OUR FULLEST, NOT SAYING IT'S NOT HARD, NOT SAYING IT'S, IT'S I IDEAL SITUATION, BUT IN COMPARISON TO A LOT OF THE OTHER SHELTERS, WE'RE DOING AMAZING, YOU KNOW, EXCELLENT.
THE TRANSFERS ARE DOWN NATIONWIDE AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF.
SO THERE ARE SHELTERS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLING AND EUTHANIZING,
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UM, THAT NEVER USED TO DO THAT, SO.WE'RE LUCKY THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR.
AND I THINK BACK TO THE DAYS BEFORE THE SHELTER AND HOW HARD WE'VE WORKED FOR THE SHELTER.
AND THIS IS THE REASON BECAUSE WE STRETCHED IT TO ITS LIMITS YEAH.
OR ARE STRETCHING IT TO ITS LIMITS MM-HMM.
AND THEN THE OLD BUILDING, IT NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE'RE OVERALL GOOD.
I THINK THEY JUST POSTED IT TODAY.
[4. Discussion on Community Cat Program Assessment]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION ON THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM ASSESSMENT.SO, UM, YEAH, I, I READ THIS, UH, WHILE I WAS, WHILE I WAS AWAY, BUT, UM, I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THEY, THAT THEY MENTION IN HERE ARE KIND OF, UM, THINGS THAT WE KNEW AND, AND WE'RE PUSHING FORWARD ON.
I THINK THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT I'VE EVER REALLY WANTED TO SEE IN COMMUNITY CATS IS THAT WE'RE TRULY GIVING A GOOD ASSESSMENT OF THE CAT AND NOT PUTTING OUT HEALTHY, HEALTHY CATS THAT DON'T HAVE A KNOWN CARETAKER OR TOO YUM.
AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT, LIKE MAYBE THE, MAYBE THE POLICY DOESN'T MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR.
'CAUSE I THINK IT SAYS WHAT OLDER THAN SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
TYPICALLY FOR NATIONWIDE IT'S ACTUALLY THREE MONTHS OR OLDER IS WHAT'S RECOMMENDED.
UM, SO, WHICH IS WHY WE DID SIX MONTHS, 'CAUSE SIX MONTHS IS CONSIDERED ADULT IN SHELTER LOVE POLICY IN OUR SHELTER LOVE.
SO THAT IS WHY WE PICK SIX MONTHS OR OLDER FOR THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THREE MONTHS OR FOUR MONTHS IS ACTUALLY ALLY CAT ALLIES STATES THAT AFTER FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS OLD, IF THEY'RE NOT SOCIALIZED BY THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING A LONG TIME TO ACTUALLY GET THEM SOCIALIZED AT THAT POINT.
UM, THE ASSESSMENT ON WHETHER THEY'RE HEALTHY OR VERIFIED FEEDER, I THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE ASSESSMENT AS WELL, THAT THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMEND NOT HAVING A VERIFIED FEEDER AND SHE ACTUALLY RECOMMEND REMOVING ANYTHING LIKE THAT OFF OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, I ALSO INCLUDED A LETTER FROM, UM, BEST FRIEND'S ANIMAL SOCIETY THAT TALKED ABOUT ASSESSMENTS, UM, AND TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, HOW BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENTS ARE NOT, ARE NOT, UM, I GUESS RECOMMENDED BY THEM, AMERICAN PETS ALIVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO REALLY I'M JUST, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE ASSESSMENT IS.
I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK EITHER WAY, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT THE ASSESSMENT HAS TO SAY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
AND, AND, AND ARE YOUR ASSESSMENTS FOR THE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE PROGRAM ARE, IS IT A FORMAL PROCESS OR DOES SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, IS IT LITERALLY HOLDING UP A CAT, SAY, YEAH, THIS ONE CAN HANDLE IT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS? THE FORMAL PROCESS WOULD BE THE BODY CONDITION SCORE.
THAT IS WHAT EVERYBODY, UM, OKAY.
ALL RECOMMENDATIONS GO, UM, BASED ON YOUR BODY CONDITION SCORE AND WHETHER THEY'RE THRIVING.
I THINK THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE ASSESSMENT AS WELL.
ON UM, MOST SHELTERS, UH, THE, THE CONDITIONS THAT I SELECTED FOR, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE THRIVING IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT IS THE SAME THAT, UH, AUSTIN ANIMAL CENTER USES AND BEST FRIEND ANIMAL SOCIETY USES.
SO BODY CONDITION SCORES IS A MAIN THING.
WHETHER THERE'S ANY INJURY, SICKNESS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEY NORMALLY SAY IF THE BODY CONDITION SCORE IS GOOD, THEY'RE GETTING FOOD FROM SOMEWHERE, THEY'RE GETTING RESOURCES FROM SOMEWHERE.
SO THEY SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE RETURNED BACK TO THEIR HOME.
NOW, BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENTS ARE NOT CONSIDERED PART OF, SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE ASSESSMENT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY BEST FRIENDS AND AMERICAN PETS ALIVE.
WHY? BECAUSE, UM, PEOPLE HAVE OUTDOOR CATS AND PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OUTDOOR CATS.
SO IF A FRIENDLY CAT IS OUT THERE, MOST LIKELY THOSE ARE SOCIALIZED BY HUMANS AND THEREFORE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO THRIVE IN THE HOME THAT THEY'RE IN.
AND I THINK THAT IS ALSO STATED IN THE ASSESSMENT AS WELL FROM, FROM AMERICAN PETS ALIVE.
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I DON'T HAVE A, I IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO BRING BACK TO THE CITY IN REGARDS TO THE ASSESSMENT OR THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANYTHING? WE ONLY HAVE PART OF THE BOARD HERE.SO, UM, SUE'S BEEN OUT OF TOWN FOR THREE WEEKS AND HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEE THIS.
AND, UH, SO YEAH, I THINK BEFORE WE MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, I WOULD REALLY WANNA HAVE THE WHOLE BOARD TOGETHER TO GET A, A GOOD CONSENSUS.
'CAUSE WE CERTAINLY CAN'T OPERATE OFF OF EMOTION.
WE HAVE TO OPERATE OFF A CERTAIN DEGREE OF LOGIC AND COMPASSION.
YOU KNOW, THE SAME WAVELENGTH.
SO, UM, THERE WAS THE WHOLE 30 DAY THING.
SO THE CATS THAT ARE BEYOND THE 30 DAYS, I GUESS CANNOT GO BACK.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND ACTUALLY, I GOT VERIFICATION FROM ELI, HE'S HERE AND HE WAS STATING, DO YOU WANNA STATE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING SINCE YOU RAN THE T AND R PROGRAM IN
AND IF IT IS RELEASED BACK OUT, IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND I CAN MAKE THEM BACK INTO THE WILD.
MEANING THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CONFINED IN AN AREA, UH, IN THEIR BACKYARD.
IT COULD BE A CAIO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN THAT AREA FOR ABOUT TWO TO THREE WEEKS INSIDE.
AND THEN YOU WOULD SLOWLY INTEGRATE THEM TO GO BACK OUTSIDE.
AND THEN JUST KEEPING THAT PROCESS SO THAT THE CATS KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A HOME BASE AND THAT THEY, IF THEY GO OUT AND VENTURE, THEY CAN COME BACK.
IF YOU JUST TAKE A CAT AND PLACE THEM OUTSIDE WITH NO HOME BASE, THERE'S A HIGH CHANCE HE'S GONNA JUST NOT MAKE IT.
UH, ANYTHING OVER TWO WEEKS IS CONSIDERED RISKY.
SO IF YOU HAVE A CAT THAT YOU'RE JUST LIKE, I'M GONNA PUT OUTSIDE, HE'S ONLY BEEN INSIDE TWO WEEKS, THAT'S A RISK.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THERE IS NO HOME BASE.
SO ANY CAT THAT GOES OUT IS GOING TO JUST FLIP A COIN.
ANYTHING UNDER TWO WEEKS, YOU CAN CONSIDER A BIT SAFER.
BUT AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDED IS 72 HOURS.
A CAT HAS TO COME INSIDE 72 HOURS, GETS TOLD, HEY, HE'S OKAY TO GO BACK OUTSIDE.
HE'S GETTING FOOD FROM SOMEWHERE.
THE, FROM WHEN I WAS DOING IT FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, WE DIDN'T TAKE INTO, UH, THE BEHAVIOR.
IT WAS, IS HE GETTING FOOD? IS HE OKAY? AND LET'S PLAY SOME BACK OUTSIDE.
AND SO THAT'S FOR THE CATS OVER 30 DAYS JUST TO NOT UNLESS THEY HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN PUT 'EM IN A CATIO AND ACCLIMATE THEM BACK.
LIKE FOR FOR ABOUT A MONTH? YES.
AND THEN GRADUALLY LET 'EM BACK OUT.
SO THE CAT HAS A HOME BASE TO COME BACK TO.
AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT, ELI, YOU SAID TWO WEEKS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MAX BEFORE YOU YEAH.
IS THAT BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT THE RESOURCES THAT THEY HAD BEFORE ARE NO LONGER THERE? BECAUSE I MEAN, EVEN CATS THAT WERE SENDING BACK OUT AFTER 72 HOURS, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MY PERSONAL, I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT THE REASONING IS BEHIND THAT.
BECAUSE IT, SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A CAT OUTSIDE AFTER TWO, TWO WEEKS, HE'S BEEN INSIDE FOR TWO WEEKS.
HE HASN'T HAD TO RESOURCE, UH, GO OUTSIDE TO FIND HIS FOOD.
HE HASN'T HAD ANY TO GO OUTSIDE AND DRINK HIS, UH, THE WATER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU TAKE 'EM FROM ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION AND JUST KEEP HIM IN A HOME, YOU, YOU ARE LIMITING HIS, JUST BEING OUTSIDE IN GENERAL.
UH, IT'S NOT MY RECOMMENDATION.
I DIDN'T SIT DOWN AND SAY TWO WEEKS.
IT'S THE NATIONAL'S GLOBAL'S RECOMMENDATION TO DO THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE TWO WEEKS IS IS TO NOT KEEP THEM IN THE SHELTER MORE THAN TWO WEEKS? UH, IT'S IS THAT THE TWO WEEKS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERSUS THE ACCLIMATION TWO? YOU'RE NOT.
YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SHELTER FOR I'M JUST TRYING TO GET ON.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THEY WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 72 HOURS AT THE SHELL.
AND THEN THE BODY SCORE AND SO FORTH WOULD DETERMINE BETWEEN THOSE 72 HOURS.
AND THEN YOU DON'T WANT THEM, IS THERE A MAXIMUM THAT THEY SHOULD BE AT JUST THE 72 HOURS OR FOR, FOR MAX? UH, WE HAVE GUYS IN OUR SHELTER THAT ARE BEEN THERE FOR THREE MONTHS NOW.
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SO YEAH.NO, HE, I OR YOU MEAN, I GUESS WHAT HE IS ASKING, UM, LIKE WE HAVE LIKE, IS 72 HOURS A HARD 72 OR IS THERE ANYTHING IT IS RECOMMENDED.
THERE IS NO HARD, SO THE HARDEST 30 DAYS SEEMS LIKE RIGHT.
DON'T PUT 'EM BACK OUT AFTER 30 DAYS.
SO WHERE DOES THAT GO BACK UNTIL LIKE THREE WEEKS? I THINK THEY'RE 20 DAYS.
SAME, 72 HOURS IS REALLY THE RECOMMEND.
IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SAY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS BECAUSE TYPICALLY IT'S 72 HOURS.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PROTOCOLS OUT THERE THAT SAYS ANYTHING PAST 72 HOURS.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA RETURN THEM AT BEYOND 72 HOURS.
YOU DON'T WANT JUST PUT THEM OUT THERE.
YOU DON'T TYPICALLY YOU DON'T PUT 'EM OUT.
SO IT'S IF YOU CAN PUT THEM OUT, BUT WITH THEIR, THERE'S A RISK SUPERVISED SORT OF WITH A SUPERVISION OWNER GOING, THEY, AGAIN, THEY'RE LIVE ANIMALS.
WE CAN'T TELL WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
THAT'S WHY THE RECOMMENDATION IS 72 HOURS.
THEY COME IN, WE ASSESS, WE FIX, WE RELEASE, UH, ANYTHING OVER, IF ANYTHING OVER AGAIN TWO WEEKS IS, IS A RISK.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL MAKE IT.
IT'S A HARD DON'T RELEASE 'EM BACK OUT.
SO YOU SAID ANYTHING OVER TWO WEEKS? I HEARD THAT TWO WEEKS AGAIN.
YOU SAID ANYTHING OVER TWO WEEKS? IT'S A RISK.
BUT AGAIN, SOUNDS LIKE TWO WEEKS E EVEN 13 DAYS IS A RISK.
DON'T THINK THAT TWO WEEKS, THAT'S A SLIDING, DON'T THINK TWO WEEKS IS, IS IS YOUR HARD LINE.
THERE, THERE IS NO HARD LINE SAYING THREE, TWO AND SO FORTH.
SO OUR CURRENT COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMIT.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE OUT WITHIN 72 HOURS OR IT'S IN OUR PROTOCOL IT SAYS 72 HOURS.
IT SAYS 24 TO 48 HOURS OR 72 HOURS.
OR THAT WE CAN'T DO IT PAST THAT OR THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO FOR.
OR THAT WE CANNOT, ONCE WE PASS THAT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY GO, THE PROTOCOL WAS WRITTEN THAT WE WOULD NOT GO PAST THAT, BUT WE NEVER GOT TO IMPLEMENT THE PROTOCOL.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE WE STOPPED THE PROTOCOL.
THE PROTOCOL WAS RELEASED ON JULY 20TH.
I THOUGHT WE WERE ALREADY PUTTING CATS OUT BEFORE THAT.
SO, BUT THEY NEVER HAD AN ACTUAL PROTOCOL WRITTEN ON THIS IS HOW LONG YOU SHOULD DO IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ON, THAT'S WHY THE DATE IS ON THE PROTOCOL OF JULY 20TH.
THAT IS WHEN I ACTUALLY WROTE THE FULL PROTOCOL SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING BASED ON NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES.
FROM THERE, IT GOT PUT ON HOLD ON AROUND AUGUST 9TH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE NEVER REALLY GOT A CHANCE TO DO IT.
BUT ON OUR PROTOCOL IT SHOULD SAY WITHIN, I THINK IT ACTUALLY HAS WITHIN 48 HOURS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THE MAJORITY OF PLACES HAVE IT.
SO, SO HOW SAY TO TOMORROW WE WERE TO START THE PROGRAM OR TURN IT ON BACK ON, HOW, WHAT WILL THAT GET US? WILL IT TAKE TWO WEEKS TO GET EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? WE'VE GOT ANIMALS, I'M ASSUMING THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME.
SO THOSE WILL NOT BE RELEASED.
MOST LIKELY THEY WILL GO INTO THE BARN CAT PROGRAM HOPING THAT WE CAN PLACE THEM THERE.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD THE ONES THAT ARE COMING IN.
IT WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON WHAT THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON HOW WE WOULD PROCEED, ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
BUT IF WE, IF WE DO IT EXACTLY THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN, THEN YES.
AS WE WOULD KEEP THE ONES THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THERE LONG.
BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THERE LONG.
WELL WHEN ARE, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET OFF THE SCHNEIDER, SO TO SPEAK AND GET THIS HAPPENING? THAT'S, I THINK THEY'RE WAITING ON THE, I BEING A NEW GUY, BUT I, YEAH, I PAY ATTENTION TO THINGS.
WE'RE WAITING ON THE BOARD, I THINK.
WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE FEEL? FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, WE WERE WAITING ON THE BOARD TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT.
SO IS DRE GONNA CONTACT THE BOARD? AND I MEAN, I THOUGHT LIKE DRE WAS LEADING THIS, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE DRE WAS, I DON'T KNOW, APPOINTED TO WORK THIS PROJECT.
HE'S IN THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS MEETING RIGHT NOW.
IT JUST HAPPENS TO I'M NOT COMPLAINING.
BUT SO WE DO WE WAIT ON DIRECTION FROM HIM? WELL, WE'RE WRITING ON DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
WE WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK THE POLICY SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON OFF OF THE ASSESSMENT'S BEEN DONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT DRE HAS TOLD THAT TO US.
HE MIGHT HAVE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.
SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU ARE GONNA TABLE THIS UNTIL, UH, SAY SUE IS BACK AND SUCH, THEN EVERYBODY LOOK OVER IT.
SEE IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, ISSUE WITH BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT, BASED ON THE PROTOCOL.
AND THEN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS CAN BE MADE AND WE CAN SEE IF IT, HOW THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS CAN OR CAN'T BE IMPLEMENTED BASED ON THE, THE POLICY.
DO WE HAVE OR THE PROCEDURE? YES, WE HAVE.
DO WE HAVE THE POLICY WRITTEN OUT SORT OF IN BLACK FORM?
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I GAVE IT TO YOU.IT'S IN YOUR BACK PART OF THE ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK FOR THAT.
SO, I MEAN, MY BIGGEST THING IS I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE, AS A LIFESAVING MEASURE KITTENS UNDER SIX MONTHS BECAUSE I MEAN, I'VE HAD SEVERAL KITTENS THAT I'VE HANDHELD AND SO, AND THAT WAS, I COPIED THAT FROM BEST FRIENDS ANIMAL SOCIETY MANUAL.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WANNA CHANGE, THEN THAT'S FINE TOO.
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, AFTER FOUR, WE HAVE ENOUGH, ENOUGH CONNECTIONS WITH, UM, EITHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH FOSTER LAKE, CITY, PETS ALIVE, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT IF THEY'RE WILLING TO ABSOLUTELY.
WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THOSE ALTERATIONS BEFORE THEN.
UM, THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, IF LIFESAVING MEASURE WOULD BE, IF WE'RE GOING TO EUTHANIZE 'EM.
SO WE WILL LOOK AT ANY ALTERNATIVES BEFORE THAT.
UH, I JUST THINK WE NEED, WE NEED TO, IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A SENSITIVE ONE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, MYSELF INCLUDED.
BUT I TEND TO THINK IN TERMS THAT YOU CAN'T, I'LL SAY GOVERN WITH YOUR HEART BECAUSE THERE ARE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO SOMETIMES MAKE TO OVERCOME THAT FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THEM.
AND I THINK PUTTING IT OFF, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FIRED ABOUT IT DOESN'T GET US ANYWHERE.
I THINK WHAT PATTY WAS SAYING IS I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING, I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE GETTING TOGETHER WITH DRE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT WAS A COMMITTEE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING THE PROS AND CONS AND WHAT WE THOUGHT FROM, YOU KNOW, SINCE I JUST, THIS WAS WHAT, LAST WEEK OR WHATEVER.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE DISCUSSIONS.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE DISCUSSIONS WERE GOING TO BE HERE.
WELL, CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE THAT MEETING SET AND JUST RESERVED DRE FOR NEXT MEETING AND, AND HAVE THAT ON THE TABLE TO BE, I CAN TALK TO DRE AND SEE IF HE CAN, WHAT HE CAN DO.
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE A MEETING HERE OR WHAT HE, WHAT HE THINKS.
WELL, IF WE ALL GATHER IT HAS TO BE AN OFFICIAL MEETING.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO.
SO, SO, BUT I THINK THIS IS, I THINK GONE ON LONG ENOUGH AS SOMEBODY THAT PAYS ATTENTION.
THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO HAVE THIS, THE STRAY HOLD ROOM, BE BACKED UP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING THINGS GOING IN THE SHELTER.
AND I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT LET'S, LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY, WHETHER WE HAVE, CALL A SPECIAL MEETING JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE, WHATEVER.
WHENEVER DRAKE CAN MAKE IT, LET'S GET IT DONE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I DON'T WANT TO, NO.
I SENT JASMINE AN EMAIL AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, SHE KNOWS, I MEAN, I WASN'T TELLING HER ANYTHING SHE DIDN'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, I, I EMPATHIZE WITH STRAY HOLD BEING ABSOLUTELY FULL.
AND A, A LOT OF THOSE ANIMALS ARE NOW OVERCOME BY EVENTS, RIGHT? THEY'RE AT THEIR 30 DAYS, CLOSE TO THE 30 DAYS, THEY'RE OVER THEIR TWO WEEKS.
UM, AND I VOLUNTEERED TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE MEANTIME TO GET SOME OF THESE CATS, YOU KNOW, BACK OUT SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE, JUST CLEARLY SUPER FRACTIOUS AND STUFF.
EVEN THOUGH SHE SAID BEHAVIOR'S NOT A THING.
I JUST, AND, AND THE CAT'S ACT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE.
IF THEY'RE IN A KENNEL, IF THEY'RE NOT IN A KENNEL, IT'S JUST COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE GOTTA DO THIS AND, AND, AND EXPEDITIOUSLY.
SO NOBODY EXPECTED TO BE AT THE END OF JANUARY GETTING THE REPORT.
IT WAS ALL, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING MARA DID.
THIS WAS ALL HER WORK, UM, ON HER, WHICH WAS THANK THANKFUL FOR IT.
EVERY, EVERYBODY AT THE SHELTER HAS WORKED HARD.
I, JASMINE, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN SAY THAT I, I WASN'T SURE WHEN THEY HIRED YOU
AND YOU STAND UP FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING.
AND I KNOW THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S GIVEN THEIR SUPPORT, BUT WE AS A BOARD NEED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
THIS IS, IT'S ENOUGH'S ENOUGH.
WE HAVE REPORTS, WE HAVE NUMBERS.
LET'S MAKE THE DECISIONS AND, AND, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHETHER IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING JUST TO COVER IT, ALL I CAN DO IS ASK DRE.
YEAH, I THINK I, I MEAN, WORST CASES IN THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
BUT IF WE CAN DO IT BEFORE THEN, JUST TO GET, WELL, TOMORROW'S FEBRUARY 1ST, SO MIGHT AS WELL JUST DO IT.
BUT, BUT I'M NOT SAYING DELAY.
I AM JUST SAYING I'LL SEND DRE AN EMAIL TOMORROW.
AH, LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE AND WHAT HE THINKS HOW SOON WE CAN GET THIS YES.
AND I'LL COPY YOU GUYS ABSOLUTELY SURE.
[5. Elect new Chairperson]
ALL RIGHT.UM, SUE JU WOULD LIKE TO NOT BE CHAIRPERSON.
SO SHE WANTS A NEW CHAIRPERSON.
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WELL, CAN WE WITHOUT THE FULL BOARD HERE OR SHOULD WE WITHOUT THE WE HAVE A QUORUM.WE CAN PUT IT OFF TO THE NEXT ONE TOO.
WELL, WE DON'T, LET'S WE DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S WILLING TO BE THE CHAIRPERSON.
I WAS WILLING
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, ALL THREE OF US.
AND I, AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, WHERE PATTY, YOU KNOW, WEARS HER HEART ON HER SLEEVE.
THAT CERTAINLY HAS ITS PLACE BECAUSE WE, THE ANIMALS NEED A COMPASSIONATE VOICE.
SO
BUT, BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE YOU AS THE CHAIRPERSON.
AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE TEAM.
WE'LL HAVE BALANCE FOR EVERYONE.
UM, SO I GUESS THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS SELECT A NEW MEETING DATE AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN ADJOURN.
SO JUST SO I CAN EMAIL DRE OUR WEDNESDAYS, GENERALLY THEY'VE BEEN GOOD, RIGHT? RIGHT.
YOU GUYS, WEDNESDAYS IS WHAT'S GONNA BE BEST FOR THE, OUR SECRETARY FOR SURE.
RIGHT? BECAUSE MONDAY'S DEFINITELY NOT BEST FOR HER.
AND YOU CAN'T DO TUESDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS ARE GREAT.
WEDNESDAYS HAVE BEEN WORKING, RIGHT? THEY'VE BEEN WEDNESDAYS WORKS.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE THE SEVENTH, 14TH, 21ST.
AND IT'S ALSO, UM, ASH WEDNESDAY FOR ANYONE ELSE.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE A PREFERENCE SO FAR? I KNOW JASMINE, IT WAS LIKE TWO WEEKS.
YOU NEEDED TWO WEEKS NOTICE BEFORE, UH, WE MEET, UM, YEAH, LET ME PULL UP, I'M IN SCHOOL.
I'M GETTING MY MASTER'S DEGREE.
SO I HAVE, SOUNDS LIKE OUR AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING IS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH SET.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE THIS MEETING THE NEXT TIME.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF JASMINE STILL NEEDED THE TWO WEEKS HEADS UP.
SO YEAH, I WON'T NEED THE TWO WEEKS HEADS UP IF IT'S, IF THE AGENDAS ARE SET AND ALL I HAVE TO DO IS SEND IN REPORTS OF OUR NUMBERS.
AS LONG AS I DON'T HAVE A DEEP DIVE TOPIC THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED, THEN YOU DON'T NO DEEP DIVE.
SO YOUR AGENDA THEN, YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO SCHOOL? YEAH, I'M TRYING TO PULL UP MY, UM, MY SCHEDULE.
I, WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND BOOK IT AND THEN IF I, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF THINGS ON WEDNESDAYS THAT I HAVE TO GO TO.
UM, BUT I WILL, IF IT'S A CONFLICT, I CAN EMAIL YOU AND LET YOU KNOW.
SO ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE 14TH OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE SEVENTH, 14TH, 21ST, WHATEVER.
DRAKE AND I'M OPENED UP TO ANY OF THEM OTHER THAN THE 14TH BEING VALENTINE'S DAY FOR.
WHAT THAT MATTERS, YOU KNOW, NOT THE 14TH THEN.
NOT THAT I WANTED TO GO BANG, BANG TO TWO MEETINGS IN A ROW.
BUT IT'D BE NICE TO GET IT DONE.
IT'D BE NICE TO GET THIS DONE, WRAPPED UP, WHATEVER.
YEAH, I'M ON THE 21ST SO, HUH? I SAID I'M OUT THE 21ST.
SO THAT SEVENTH SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I I WILL LIKELY BE OUT ON THE SEVENTH AS WELL, SO THAT'S WHY I SAID I OH, OKAY.
WELL ARE YOU AVAILABLE THE 14TH OR ARE YOU DEFINITELY IN INSERT? I SHOULD BE HERE THE 14TH.
YOU CAN FORGO, YOU CAN FOREGO THE VALENTINE'S DAY.
I WAS GONNA FOREGO VALENTINE'S.
I MEAN YEAH, BUT THEN IT'S, THEN LOOK AT THE 14TH.
IF IT CAN BE A CHURCH NIGHT TOO FOR SOME PEOPLE BEING AT SASH WEDNESDAY.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE AN EFFORT TO HAVE EVERYBODY HERE AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THAT'S YEAH, WE JUST HAVE TO, YEAH.
SO WE'LL GIVE DRE THE OPTION LIKE SEVENTH, 14TH.
ADVANCE FOR WHAT? SET THE AGENDA.
SO IF YOU DON'T DECIDE, WELL, WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE AGENDA IS.
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THE AGENDA.I GUESS IT'LL BE, YEAH, WE'RE SHOULD BE OKAY BECAUSE SHE'S FINE DISCUSSION STUFF.
SO RHONDA, THE AGENDA IS SO CLARITY FOR THE MINUTES, THIS IS GONNA BE CONSIDERED A REGULAR MEETING OR A SECOND.
THIS NEXT ONE'S COMING UP REGULAR MEETING, CORRECT? THAT'S THE FEBRUARY MEETING.
WE'LL CALL IT THE FEBRUARY MEETING, UNLESS DRE HAS ANOTHER IDEA.
I'M ASKING HIM RIGHT NOW IF HE CAN DO THE SEVENTH.
OH, I WAS TOO
HE WANTED IT FROM THE COMMUNITY TOO.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE POLLS WERE.
UM, THE POLLS WERE THE COMMITTEE OR THE SURVEY? SURVEY WAS THE COMMUNITY IMMUNITY INPUT.
AND THEN RO AND THEN, SO NOT COMMUNITY INPUT, LAURA INCLUDED THE COMMUNITY INPUT AS WELL IN HER ASSESSMENT.
SHE DID FROM THE THING SHE TALKED ABOUT IT.
SO THE, THE SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT, UM, WAS PART OF IT AS WELL.
SO THERE'S NOT LIKE COMMUNITY INPUT NEEDED THEN ON THE MARA THING IT WAS COMMUNITY INPUT WAS THE SURVEY.
YOU CAN POSTPONE OR WE CAN COME BACK TO SIX.
YEAH, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE MA REPORT OR ANYTHING ELSE? GIMME SIGN.
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DRE SAID THE SEVENTH WOULD BE FINE.OKAY, THE SEVENTH IT IS RHONDA AND IT WILL BE DISCUSSION ON THE COMMUNITY CAP PROGRAM ASSESSMENT.
AND IS THERE AN EXPECTATION, I GUESS I'LL ASK DRE OF LIKE ORDINANCE WORDS OR JUST I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THERE IS UM, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES INTO THE PROTOCOL.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW CATS TO BE FREE ROAMING CATS.
UM, SO TECHNICALLY US PICKING THEM UP AND KEEPING THEM IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A REASON TO BE KEEPING THEM AND IMPOUNDING THEM.
SO WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP CERTAIN CATS, THEN THAT WORDING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL.
CAN DRE WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO COME UP WITH ORDINANCE WORDING THEN? OR BASED ON WHAT Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE COMPARED? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO KEEP AND HOW YOU'RE WANTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'LL BE THE REASONING BEHIND IT FOR THE ORDINANCE KIND OF THING.
RIGHT NOW, CATS ARE NOT, THERE'S NO AT LARGE ORDINANCE FOR CATS.
SO THEREFORE IMPOUNDING THEM IS NOT, NE IS NOT, THEY'RE NOT BREAKING THE LAW.
SO THERE'S NO POINT IN IMPOUNDING THEM RIGHT NOW.
AND AGAIN, DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE AS IT STANDS? WELL IT'S SECTION 18, RIGHT? IT'S SECTION 18 I BELIEVE.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE, I WOULD LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF THE COMMUNITY CAT AS WELL.
THE DEFINIT, THAT WAS THE DEFINITION IS JUST THE VERY BEGINNING OF IT.
THAT WAS BASED ON ALLY CAT'S ALLIES DEFINITION OF A COMMUNITY CAT AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO ME FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IT DOES SAY THAT FERAL, IT SAYS REGARDLESS OF, UH, BASICALLY FERAL, NON FERAL WITH OR WITHOUT A VERIFIED FEEDER IS WHAT THE DEFINITION IS THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE, AND THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY CAT THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT'S ACCORDING TO RIGHT NOW.
YOU, YOU AREN'T PICKING UP ANY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.
NO, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING AGAINST OUR ORDINANCE AND STILL PICKING UP AND KEEPING THEM.
SO I WAS AFRAID IF WE LIKE DIDN'T PICK UP CATS THAT WE WOULD HAVE LIKE MORE LITTERS.
'CAUSE YOU GOT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY FIXED.
NO, BECAUSE THE, WE ARE PROVIDING A SERVICE WITH THE T AND R.
SO WHAT THE WHOLE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE PICKING THEM UP, PROVIDING A SERVICE BY.
SO PICKING THEM UP THEM AND THEN PUTTING THEM BACK BY US KEEPING THEM AND IMPOUNDING THEM AND THEN HAVING THE ABILITY TO ADOPT THEM OUT WOULD BE THE REASONS WHY THERE'S AN AT LARGE BECAUSE WE CAN'T PUT THEM BACK.
THAT'S WHY BEFORE THERE WAS A LEASH LOSS, SO WE WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE CATS, BUT NOW THAT THERE'S NO LEASH WALL, WE TECHNICALLY SHOULD NOT BE KEEPING THE CATS.
SEE THAT'S WHAT WAS LOST ON ME, WAS THAT SHELTER POLICY WOULD LIKE, BECAUSE WE SAID CATS WERE OKAY TO, YOU COULD HAVE AN OUTDOOR CAT AND IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE ON A LEASH.
THAT, THAT THEN TRANSLATED INTO THE SHELTER POLICY BEING SENDING 'EM RIGHT BACK OUT.
I'M JUST, AND THE DEFINITION OF THE COMMUNITY CAT WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHETHER THEY NEEDED TO HAVE, IT SAYS WITH OR WITHOUT A VERIFIED FEEDER.
AND WHETHER OR NOT FERAL VERSUS OR NON FERAL.
AGAIN, I GOT THAT DEFINITION DIRECTLY FROM ALLY CAT ALLIES ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE.
SHE, FOR THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM, SHE DID.
BUT I WAS JUST SHARING WHAT, WHAT TRIPPED ME UP WAS THAT, THAT SAYING THAT I THOUGHT LET PEOPLE HAVE OUTSIDE CATS AND I DIDN'T TRANSLATE IT INTO,
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THEN THAT WOULD BECOME LIKE THE SHELTER, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WRONG WORD.UM, WELL, IT'S JUST MANDATE OR IT'S A, UM, ABILITY BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEED TO IMPOUND THEM.
YOU KNOW, THE REASON WHY WE IMPOUND DOGS IS BECAUSE THERE'S AN AT LARGE ORDINANCE, YOUR DOG IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE RUNNING AT LARGE.
WE PICK THEM UP, WE HOLD THEM FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS UNTIL YOU CAN COME RECLAIM THEM.
SO HOW DID WE IMPOUND THE ONES THAT WE HAVE IF WE'RE, IF WE, IF THERE'S NOT A LAW THAT, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD TO PUT THE T AND R PROGRAM ON HOLD AND, BUT ALSO WE DIDN'T WANNA NOT PICK UP CATS.
SO WE'RE TECHNICALLY BREAKING OUR ORDINANCE BY KEEPING THEM.
SO ONCE WE DECIDE ON THIS, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO WE'RE ONLY PICKING UP A CAT IF SOMEBODY CALLS IT IN AS A, AS A NUISANCE OR HURT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
OR IF THEY'RE JUST RUNNING AT, IF THEY'RE FREE ROAMING AND THEN WE CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICE OF GETTING THEM FIXED AND THEN VACCINATED AND PUTTING THEM BACK UP.
SO IT, IT WOULD ONLY BE IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM SPAY OR NEUTERED.
OR IF WE FIND, IF SOMEBODY CALLS IT IN AS A INJURED OR AS A INJURED AND THEN AT THAT POINT, AGAIN, THAT GOES INTO THE BODY CONDITION SCORING AND WHETHER THERE'S INJURY OR NOT.
AND THEN AT THAT TIME WE'VE NOTICED THAT THEY'RE NOT THRIVING IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT 'CAUSE THEY'RE SICK OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
THEN WE WOULD KEEP THEM AND THEN GO FROM THERE OF A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF LIFESAVING OUTCOME FOR THEM.
AND HOW DOES IT WORK IF THERE'S A CAT THAT UM, OBVIOUSLY HAS AN OWNER, BUT YET THE NEIGHBORS DON'T APPRECIATE THE CAT THAT GOES INTO DETERRENCE.
THAT'S WHAT'S RECOMMENDED BY BEST FRIENDS.
AL MESSAI IS EDUCATING YOUR NEIGHBORS, EDUCATING ON THEM.
YOU WOULD EDUCATE THEM ON PUT UP DEVICE, PUT THINGS OUT THERE TO, TO HELP THEM WATER CANNONS AND MM-HMM.
SO WE WOULD NEVER GO AND PICK THAT CAT UP TO NO, NOT NOT JUST TO KEEP IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S ANNOYING NOT TO KEEP IT OR NO.
THAT HAS BEEN A, A SITUATION SOME OF OUR UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT IN SOME OF OUR COLONIES, BUT THE PEOPLE ARE TOLD EXACTLY WHAT JASMINE SAID.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL SAY THEY DON'T WANT THE FERAL BACK OR WHATEVER.
BUT YEAH, I THINK LIKE JASMINE SAYS THEY'RE COACHED ALLY CAT ALLIES HAS A WHOLE THING ON IT.
WE ACTUALLY JUST RECENTLY CREATED AN ENTIRE BROCHURE THAT GOES OVER DETERRENCE AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF ON EXPLAINING THEM HOW TO, IF YOU DON'T WANT CATS DOING THIS, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO.
IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM IN YOUR GARDEN, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO.
ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF AND ALL THAT CAME FROM ALLY CAT ALLIES AND BEST FRIENDS AND A-S-P-C-A, THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN I ASK ELI A QUESTION? UH, YEAH ELI, SO WHEN YOU GO AND PICK UP A CAT AND IT'S IN GOOD BODY CONDITION, SO TELL ME HOW YOU TALK.
TELL ME LIKE, LIKE I HAVE A CAT.
AND THEN SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA SAY? UH, I'LL JUST ASK WHERE YOU PICKED UP THE CAT AND JUST LOAD UP THE CAT BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT OUR DUTY IS RIGHT NOW TO THE CITIZENS.
SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA SAY, WHERE DID I PICK UP THE CAT AND UNTIL I FOUND IT? YEAH, IF, IF YOU PICKED IT UP IN YOUR FRONT YARD, BACKYARD, IF YOU PICKED IT UP AT A NEIGHBOR'S GAS STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST SO I CAN WRITE IT IN MY NOTES.
AND INDICATE CAT WAS FOUND AT THIS LOCATION AND THAT'S IT AND THAT'S IT.
AND THEN YOU LOAD THE CAT UP AND GO.
SO I THINK LIKE THAT WAS PART OF THE CONCERN WITH EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WHO CALLED ME WITH CATS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CAT SHOWED UP TWO WEEKS AGO, THEY'VE BEEN FEEDING THE CAT SO IT'S IN GREAT BODY CONDITION.
THEY WERE TRYING TO WORK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGES AND STUFF TO FIND WHO OWNS THIS CAT THAT'S IN GREAT CONDITION.
AND, AND SO WITHOUT THAT BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, JUST ASSUMING IT'S IN GREAT BODY CONDITION.
SO IT TURNED OUT THIS, FOR SOME REASON, THIS LADY DID NOT WANNA CALL THE SHELTER AND, 'CAUSE SHE'S A DOG RESCUER AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO, SO I SAID OKAY, GIMME THIS.
I'LL GIVE IT TO A CO TURNED OUT THE CAT WAS MICROCHIPPED TO HOUSTON, SO IT WAS MICROCHIPPED TO HOUSTON, BUT IT WAS LIKE HOUSTON, HOUSTON, NOT CLEARLY LAKE HOUSTON.
BUT DO WE KNOW THOUGH IF THAT CAT'S JUST MICROCHIP NEVER GOT UPDATED? SO THEY MOVED TO LEAGUE CITY AND THEY DIDN'T UPDATE? NO, THEY DIDN'T MOVE TO LEAGUE CITY.
'CAUSE THEY, I GUESS MOVED OUTTA THEIR APARTMENT IN HOUSTON AND MOVED IN WITH A RELATIVE IN NASSAU BAY.
I THINK IT WAS APARTMENTS IN NASA BAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
BUT IN THAT CASE TOO, IF IT'S MICROCHIP, THEN WE WOULD HAVE KEPT IT AND TRIED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE OWNER.
AND THE OWNER CAME AND GOT IT.
I MEAN I, I GUESS THAT MY QUESTION WOULD BE TOO THOUGH IS LIKE THE SAME SCENARIO HAPPENED RECENTLY WHERE SOMEBODY'S NEIGHBOR WAS UPSET WITH THE CAT, SAID IT HAD BEEN THERE, IT WAS HEALTHY, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
WE ACTUALLY HAD IT ON THE ADOPTION FLOOR.
THE OWNER CAME IN LOOKING FOR THEIR CAT, IT WAS THEIR OUTDOOR CAT AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY QUESTIONING WHY WE EVEN KEPT
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THEIR CAT IN THE FIRST PLACE.CATS ARE ALLOWED TO BE OUTDOORS.
SO THAT IS KIND OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING.
WE'RE PICKING UP CATS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HEALTHY, HAPPY.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT TRAP NEUTER RETURN BECAUSE THEY'RE RETURNING THEM TO THEIR HOME.
NOT TRAP NEUTER RELEASE LIKE IT USED TO BE CALLED.
SO I THINK THE WHOLE STORY, UM, UNDERNEATH THE CAT AND THEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE WAS, UM, IN A COLONY LIKE THE COLONY, PEOPLE WERE TOLD NO, THEY WERE MISTAKEN.
SO THIS MAMA, THIS FEMALE CAT, I'M NOT SAYING MAMA CAT WAS REPORTED WITH KITTENS AND ANOTHER MALE BY SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY VOLUNTEERS AT THE SHELTER WAS WALKING THEIR DOG AND SAID THIS FEMALE CAT AND THE KITTENS AND THIS MALE CAT WALKED UP.
SO THE SHELTER TOOK EVERYBODY IN AND THE SHELTER THEN TOOK THE FEMALE, THE MALE AND HAD THEM RETURNED.
UM, SO, AND I'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT.
THIS SHELTER DID NOT LOOK AT THE SPAY PAPERWORK.
IF THEY HAD LOOKED AT THE SPAY PAPERWORK FROM SN, THEY WOULD'VE SEEN THIS CAT HAD ALREADY BEEN SPAYED.
THOSE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN HER KITTENS IN A HOME, UNDER A HOME THAT HAD BEEN ABANDONED.
AND IN THIS COLONY AREA THAT SAID THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN THESE CATS BEFORE.
BUT THEY WERE TOLD, YEAH, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
SO I THINK WE NEED SOME KIND OF BEING ABLE TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF WHEN YOU'RE PICKING THE CAT UP, WANNA HAVE THAT.
I ALSO THINK YOU INCLUDED WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE SCENARIOS.
WE HAD JUST STARTED THE PROGRAM AND JUST STARTED TRAINING AND ME AND YOU DISCUSSED THIS.
WAS IT JUST, IT JUST IT APRIL IT WAS LIKE IT WAS LIKE JULY.
AND THAT MEANS WE HAD JUST REALLY STARTED EVEN WRITING THE PROTOCOLS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHY THE PROTOCOL WAS WRITTEN ON JULY 20TH.
AND THEN IN JULY WE WERE ALSO JUST, UM, SENT OUT THE GOT SKILLS CLASSES, WHICH I'VE BEEN GIVING ALL OF THE STAFF ON TRAINING, COMMUNICATION FRIENDLY VERSUS UNFRIENDLY, HOW TO NOTICE IF YOU'RE RELEASING THE CAT CORRECTLY.
SO I THINK WE DISCUSSED THE IDEA.
AND IT'S ALSO IN MARA'S ASSESSMENT.
MM-HMM
THERE ARE GOING TO BE MISTAKES MADE OVER ALONG THE WAY AND UNFORTUNATELY WE COULD BE MAKING MISTAKES.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA OF US LEARNING FROM THEM AND LETTING US GROW FROM IT.
SO YOU THINK THOSE THINGS ARE IN HERE KIND OF THINGS LIKE LOOKING AT THIS THAT COMES WITH TRAINING.
NOT EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE WRITTEN DOWN, BUT COMMUNICATION, LEARNING HOW TO DO THINGS, LEARNING HOW TO TALK TO PEOPLE AS PART OF TRAINING THAT GOES ALONG WITH YOU BEING AN OFFICER.
EVERY SCENARIO IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE OUT IN THE FIELD, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD A POLICE OFFICER OR ANYBODY ELSE.
WELL THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR ELI, LIKE WHAT HE WOULD TELL ME AS, YEAH, I HAVE A CAT.
AND THAT COULD CHANGE BASED ON WHAT YOU SAY, HOW YOU SAY IT, WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, THOSE ARE ALL GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE, SO WHEN I WAS SAYING WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE GOING, WHERE YOU ASKED, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN BY THE TIME I STARTED THE PROGRAM WAS ON PAUSE.
SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO TELL YOU TNR STEPS WHEN THERE'S NO TNR.
SO WHEN I PICK UP THAT CAT, I'M PICKING UP THAT CAT AS A STRAIGHT CAT AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY OTHER BACKGROUND ON IT, IS WHAT I HEARD.
SO AGAIN, THERE WAS NO TNR PROGRAM TO TELL YOU, HEY, THESE ARE THE STEPS FOR TNR, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD DO, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD DO AND WE WOULD RETURN THE CAT OR GO X, X, Y, Z.
BUT SINCE THERE'S NO PROGRAM THERE, IT'S ON PAUSE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING SINCE THERE'S NO PROGRAM AND IT'S ON PAUSE, THERE'S NO NEED TO ASK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF PEOPLE GIVING YOU THE CAT FOR FOR T AND R PURPOSES? NO, BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S IT STOPPED.
BUT YOU DIDN'T ASK ME ANY BACKGROUND ON THE CAT.
I ASKED YOU WHERE'D YOU PICK UP THE CAT? RIGHT.
SO, BUT LIKE, NOT HOW LONG HAVE I SEEN IT, HAVE I BEEN FEEDING IT? ANYBODY ELSE? NO.
DID YOU TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE? YOU KNOW, ANY, YOU DIDN'T ASK ANY, ANY BACKGROUND, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE RELEASING IT ANYWAY.
SO WHY WOULD WE ASK THOSE QUESTIONS? YOU WOULDN'T ASK THE QUESTIONS 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT RELEASING IT.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE RELEVANT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE DIRECTED TO INTAKE THE CATS AS NORMAL AS IT USED TO BE.
SO BEFORE THEY DIDN'T ASK THOSE QUESTIONS EITHER.
BECAUSE BEFORE IT WAS A SIMPLE, YOU GET A CALL FOR SERVICE, THERE'S A STRAY ANIMAL, IT'S CONTAINED, YOU PICK UP THE CAT, YOU BRING IT IT BACK.
I MEAN YOU WOULD ASK SOME BA I THE BASIC, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IN THIS SITUATION, BUT YOU'RE GONNA ASK SOME COMMON SENSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GENERAL HOW THE CAT WAS FOUND OR WHERE IT WAS FOUND.
NORMALLY THEY'LL SAY, YEP, THE CAT WAS JUST WALKED UP TO ME AND GAVE ME SOME FOOD, BUT I, I GAVE SOME FOOD.
BUT I EXPECT YOU TO, WOULD I EXPECT YOU TO SAY, HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS OR YEAH.
THOSE QUESTIONS AREN'T GONNA BE ASKED.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEED TO WONDER IF A NEIGHBOR'S FEEDING THEM.
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NO NEED TO WONDER IF THAT, BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW WE GET A CALL FOR SERVICE THAT THIS CAT IS AT LARGE, WE GO PICK THAT CAT UP, WE INTAKE IT AND THEN IT GETS EITHER OUTCOME AS A BARN OR WE GET OUTCOME AS AN ADOPTION.SO THERE'S NO NEED TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
BUT MOVING FORWARD, SO WE ASSUME WE'RE GONNA COME BACK HERE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME FORM OF THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
SO FROM ANYTHING THAT'S PICKED UP BECAUSE OF THIS, LIKE THE TWO WEEK TIMEFRAME, SHOULD WE START TOWARDS THE, HEY WE'RE GOING TO, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK INTO RELEASING.
SHOULD WE BE TAKING IN ALL THIS INFORMATION JUST LIKE WE WOULD BE RELEASING? SO IN OUR PROTOCOLS THERE'S AN INTAKE FORM THAT WE, THAT I HAD WRITTEN IN JULY ABOUT, AND I ASKED THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.
SO THAT WAY IT, IT HELPS GUIDE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND I THINK THAT I, I GAVE THAT TO THE BOARD BACK IN AUGUST.
SO THOSE THINGS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THERE TO HELP GUIDE THOSE.
COULD WE START, COULD WE AT LEAST AGREE THAT WE ARE GOING TO START DOING THAT SO THAT ANY CAT, ANY NEW CATS TAKE IT IN FROM THIS POINT ON ARE EVALUATED SO THAT AS SOON AS WE AGREE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THIS, THEN WE CAN THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BACKTRACK AND WE'RE NOT GETTING WORSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, IF WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, THEN YES, I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE TIME AWAY FROM OUR OFFICERS IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH CERTAIN CATS.
'CAUSE IT TAKES MORE TIME TO DO SO.
SO IF WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE FORWARD THEN I WOULD SAY NO.
BUT YES, IF WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY AT SOME POINT START RELEASING KATHY, I MEAN I THINK IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T BE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING AT LEAST ACCORDING TOMORROW'S I'M OKAY WITH FOR SURE.
I MEAN WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT'S NEXT MEETING WILL ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF POLICY.
SO THE STRIKE CAT INTAKE FORM IS NOT SOMETHING YOU USE NOW? NO.
IT'S GOT SOME GOOD QUESTIONS ON IT THAT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.
LIKE I THINK IF WE START NOW THEN THAT WAY WE'RE NOT IN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DID WE JUST SAY A WEEK START? THANKS.
I MEAN, BUT WE'RE NOT IN THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT COMPOUNDING THE SITUATION.
SO HOPEFULLY IF WE GET TO THIS POINT THEN WE CAN GO, OKAY WELL WE ALREADY HAVE THESE CATS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN THIS LAST WEEK.
THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THE IT GIVES YOU RID THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF YEAH, I LIKE YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
AND GIVES YOU GUYS SOME BECAUSE THE SEVENTH IS, TOMORROW'S THE FIRST.
SO THAT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
AND THEN, UM, I ASSUME THAT OUR MEETING ALSO NEEDS TO PROBABLY DISCUSS UM, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MORE THAN TWO WEEKS.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE BAR AND CA WE JUST POSTED SOME SOCIAL MEDIA ON THE BAR AND CAT PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SO I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN FOR ANY OF THOSE BOBCAT CAT, RIGHT? NOW'S BARN CAT.
UNLESS, UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN IDENTIFY ANY OF THEM THAT THEY THINK UNLESS SOMEBODY WOULD DO BETTER IN A SOCIALIZATION SOMETHING
THE CATIO IS OFF IS NOT ALLOWED TO HOUSE CATS ANYMORE.
JASMINE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN FROM THE STAFF ABOUT HAVING LEAVING CATS OUT ON THE CA LIKE THAT UM, THERE WAS SOME ORGANIZATIONAL ISSUES AND SOME CLEANING ISSUES.
THERE WAS SOME NASTINESS GOING ON
UM, SO NASTINESS, YEAH, THAT WAS SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF JULIE, YOU WANNA REALLY SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT? THE CONCERNS OF LEAVING THE CATS OUT ON THE PATIO.
UM, YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEAK IN THIS.
I FELT LIKE SOME OF THE CATS OBVIOUSLY WE WERE TRYING, BUT THEY WERE UNSOCIAL THEY KEPT STAYED UNSOCIAL AND THEN HAVING THAT DOOR PROPPED OPEN FOR THE NICE CATS TO GO OUT, IT CAUSED PROBLEMS FOR THE NOT NICE CATS TO COME IN.
SO IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT SAFETY MEASURES TO GRAB THEM, TRY TO GET THEM BACK OUT ONTO THE CAIO.
UM, A LOT OF BEDDING ON, ON TOP OF LIKE HEATING PADS AND STUFF OUT THERE, THAT'S A FIRED HAZARD
SO WITH THE WATER AND THE RAIN AND THE MOISTURE ALONG WITH HEATING PADS AND STUFF, IT, THAT'S A FIRE HAZARD HAZARD.
SO SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE FOR A SECOND CAIO ALMOST.
UM, BUT THAT'S FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA ADD ANYTHING BUT THAT ALMOST WOULD BE, THAT ALMOST WOULD MAKE SENSE.
I DID RECOMMEND AT ONE POINT TO THE BOARD ABOUT HAVING AN OUTDOOR CAT ENCLOSURE FOR THESE CATS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN CONTINUE TO STAY ACCLIMATED TO THE WEATHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT VERY FAR, UM, IT WOULD COST IT.
THE ONES THAT I FOUND WERE SIGNIFICANTLY EXPENSIVE BUT THEY WERE VERY WELL MADE.
UM, I DID FIND SOME PLANS FOR EVEN LESS EXPENSIVE ONE.
THERE WAS ONE THAT AUSTIN PETS ALIVE HAD SOMEBODY DO.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THOSE REALLY NICE ONES, BUT IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON, ON FUNDING FOR THOSE THAT THAT'S I THINK ANOTHER STEP SOMEWHERE.
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ON AND OFF AND ON AND OFF AND ON AND OFF AND JUST THE FUNDING WAS, HOW MUCH WERE THEY AGAIN? DO YOU REMEMBER JASMINE? THE REALLY EXPENSIVE ONES WERE ABOUT 20,000 OR SO.NOW THE ONE, THE PLANS THAT I HAVE FOR A PA, I THINK I SHARED THOSE AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT, I MEAN COST, BUT I'M SURE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER IT'S MADE, MADE BY VOLUNTEERS IN AUSTIN PET'S LIVES.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE LOCATION LIKE? WHERE WOULD YOU I WOULD ACTUALLY PUT IT, UM, 'CAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S A SLOPE RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY AN AREA WHERE THERE'S TREES, SO THERE WOULD BE COVERED.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS STILL IN THAT LITTLE AREA.
STILL SHELTER, THAT'S STILL CITY PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE.
THE OTHER SIDE IS, IS WHAT I WAS BEEN TOLD IS NOT, SO WE DID PUT A CHICKEN COOP OUT THERE
SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP US A LOT AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
IS THERE ANY CONCERNS WITH FLOODING OVER THERE THEN? MM-HMM.
NOT THAT I'VE NOTICED AT LEAST.
WELL THAT'S WHY THEY BUILT THE SHELTER UP, RIGHT? TO MEET SOME FLOOD PLAN, BUT YES, REMEMBER YEAH.
BUT I, BUT WHEN WE WALK OUT THERE, I MEAN IT MAY BE SOME PUDDLES.
YOU DITCH THE DITCH, NOT THE DITCH THE POND, THE RETENTION RETENTION POND THERE.
THE FUTURE MAYBE TO ADD THAT TO THE FUTURE THING, WHAT? TO HAVE LIKE A BARN CUT AREA, AN OUTDOOR CULTURE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT IN THE KENNEL SO THAT THEY CAN WAITING FOR THE BARN CUT POSITION.
THE LIKE, I GUESS AT THE OLD SHELTER IT WAS REALLY THE, THE LITTLE CATIO UNDERNEATH THE, THE CARPORT.
UH, YEAH, WHERE THEY KIND OF HUNG OUT THEIR, THEY WOULD PUT LIKE A COUPLE IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK JASMINE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR 20,000, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING BIGGER.
BUT NO, NO, I WAS EQUATING IT TO LIKE THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE PUT THAT, BUT YEAH, THAT, YEAH, IT WAS IN THE SHADE UNDER THE CARPORT.
I MEAN THEY HAVE EVEN LESS EXPENSIVE ONE.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY CATS YOU WANNA HOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY GOES DOWN TO.
AND IF THE, IF, IF YOU HAD PLANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD TAKE BACK TO SOME OF THE EAGLE SCOUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE SCOUTS THAT WE, I KNOW THAT ARE, THAT'S WHAT I PICTURE IT BEING SOMETHING THAT, YEAH.
I MEAN, AND THEN I THINK A IF YOU DO THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE ENOUGH OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE, THAT CAN BE INVOLVED WITH IT THEN TOO, THEN YEAH.
CAN KIND OF HAVE A, YEAH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY CATS WE WOULD NEED TO HOUSE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY IT DEPENDS ON THIS PROTOCOL.
LIKE ON WHAT WE, WHERE ARE WE GONNA KEEP, WHERE ARE WE NOT GONNA KEEP ON HOW MANY CATS WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW HOW TO HOUSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE BACKLOG THOUGH, RIGHT NOW IS HOW MANY CATS DO YOU THINK THAT ARE ON LIKE THAT ARE BASICALLY, WE DON'T THINK ARE AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION, BUT WE NEED TO LYNETTE'S PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN PATTY CAN TRANSPORT TO AUSTIN.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE 17 THAT ARE LISTED AS WORKING CAP LY AND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CURRENTLY ON, THERE ARE 17 THAT ARE LISTED AS YOU NEED TO 17 THAT ARE LISTED AS, IT'S FINE.
THERE ARE 17 CURRENTLY ON STRAY HOLD AND THERE OR ON, ON WORKING CAT.
UM, THAT ARE VISIBLE ON OUR WEBSITE AND THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO BE MOVED TO THE FRONT.
AND THERE ARE I BELIEVE SOME ADDITIONAL ON STRAY HOLD THAT MAY ALSO NEED TO EVENTUALLY BE UPDATED TO THAT STATUS AS WELL.
UM, AND THE STRAY HOLD ROOM IS DESIGNED TO HOLD 14 IN THE KENNELS THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN.
SO THEY'RE, THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA HOW FULL IT'S, SHE'S TELLING YOU IN LITTLE SINGLES FOR EXTENDED TIME.
BUT AGAIN, IF WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE, THAT BACKLOG WILL EVENTUALLY GET LOWER.
WELL RIGHT, SO THE POLICY WON CHANGE BUT EVENTUALLY DON'T CHANGE THEIR OUTCOME.
BUT IT'LL EVENTUALLY HELP US NOT HAVE MORE COMING IN.
AT SOME POINT IT WILL BECAUSE IT WON'T HELP THOSE THAT ARE THERE NOW MAGICALLY, YOU KNOW, GO TO FAIRY LAND.
YEAH, IT HASN'T BEEN THIS BAD AND YEAH, RIGHT.
BUT AGAIN, WE'VE NOT HAD, YOU KNOW, THAT POLICY HAS BEEN CREATING, THE LACK OF POLICY HAS BEEN CREATED.
WELL I MEAN WE'VE, THE SHELTER'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, UM, I'VE HELPED THE SHELTER RELEASE WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE OBVIOUSLY FERALS.
THEY MIGHT'VE BEEN NICE BUT I MEAN THEY DIDN'T ACT NICE IN THE SHELTER.
SO THAT'S, WE MADE THAT JUDGMENT CALL AND I HELPED RUN THEM OUT BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.
IF YOU PULL THE FOIA FROM JANUARY ON, I MEAN WE DID THAT FOR YEARS BEFORE.
BUT WE WERE KIND OF THE ONES THAT THE WHAT? I ASKED A LOT OF FRIENDS AND YOU DID, YOU DID TOOK 'EM TO SOME PLACE WHERE YOU KNEW THERE WERE FEEDERS AND BARNS AND STUFF.
YOU WORKED, JULIE WORKED REALLY HARD,
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UM, ON THAT.SO YEAH, IF THEY COULDN'T GO BACK WHERE WE KNEW WE GOT 'EM FROM UH, WHERE'S THIS THING? ALL RIGHT, SO WE THINK WE SELECTED THE SEVENTH AND WE STILL SET
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PUBLIC COMMENTS WHERE NOBODY HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS.DOES SOMEBODY CHANGE THEIR MIND? WANNA HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? HEY LIZ, REMEMBER THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SIGN UP.
YOU WANNA COME TO THE WHAT I WAS LOOKING WHAT? NARROW WIDE.
BIG LIZ WILLIAMS, 3 1 9 BAY SPRING DRIVE IN LAKE CITY, TEXAS.
DURING THE PROCESS WHEN I HAD FERAL CATS COME IN MY HOUSE, THE MAMA CAT, THE TWO BABY CATS AND WE LOST FOUR.
ONE OF THE FERAL CATS, WE LOST ANOTHER ONE.
THE OLD LADY DOWN THE STREET, WE CALL YOU ALL FOR HELP AND WE GET NOTHING.
SO RECENTLY DURING THIS TIME WHEN I WAS TOO BUSY TAKING CARE OF EVERYBODY ELSE'S CATS, THEY WERE THROWN OUT IN THE STREET.
I LOST MY OWN TO KIDNEY FAILURE AND ANOTHER ONE THE HEART ATTACK AND ANOTHER ONE TO KIDNEY FAILURE ALL WITHIN FIVE MONTHS.
AND WHAT WAS I DOING? SITTING MY BUTT OUTSIDE TRYING TO WORK WITH A BABY FERAL, TRYING TO HELP THE OTHER FERAL, FEEDING THEM, CARING FOR 'EM, GETTING SHELTER.
WE GOT A AC HEAT FOR ANY CAT THAT WANTS TO GO IN THERE AND LIVE.
I LOOK BACK AND THINK IF I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS, I COULD HAVE SPENT THE LAST FEW MONTHS WITH MY CAT BEFORE I LOST HIM AND SPENT THE LAST OTHER TIME WITH MY OTHER CAT BEFORE I LOST HIM.
MM-HMM
SHE CAME TO YOU SICK? I DIDN'T SEE IT 'CAUSE I WAS TOO BUSY CARING FOR MY OTHER ONES AND I DIDN'T SEE MY OTHER ONE THAT I JUST LOST IN CHRISTMAS BECAUSE I WAS TOO BUSY CARING FOR THE OTHER ONES.
I WILL SPEND EVERY NICKEL, DIME I HAVE TO DO THAT.
MY HUSBAND KNOWS THAT I DON'T BUY ME NOTHING.
I WILL BEND OVER BACKWARDS BUT I WILL NEVER GET MY TIME BACK WITH MY BABIES THAT I LOST BECAUSE OF THIS REASON.
SO IF YOU PUT A CAT OUT THERE AND IT'S GONNA COME TO MY HOUSE, I'M GONNA FEED THEM.
I'M GONNA HELP, I'M GONNA TRY, I'M GONNA CARE.
THE OTHER PEOPLE DOWN THE STREET, THEY DON'T CARE.
HEY LIZ, DID YOU SEE THE KID OUT THERE RUNNING? WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, I GOT HIM FIXED.
HE'S A FERAL BUT HE LOVES MY DOG.
I'M TELLING YOU HE LOVES MY DOG AND HE LOVES US AND HE'S A FERAL AND IT TOOK ME SIX MONTHS TO WORK WITH HIM.
IF I CAN DO IT, Y'ALL CAN DO IT.
ANYONE ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, THREE TIMES.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE.
UM, PENCIL IN THE SEVENTH PROBABLY.
I GUESS IT'S OFFICIAL, RIGHT? IT'S OFFICIAL.
ALRIGHT,