* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY. [00:00:01] DON'T. ALRIGHT, WE GOOD? ALRIGHT. [Work Session on October 24, 2023.] CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY TEXAS WILL NOW COME TO ORDER IN A WORK SESSION ON OCTOBER 24TH, 2023 AT 5:01 PM ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL. UH, COUNCILMAN SAUNDERS HERE. COUNCILMAN CONES HERE. COUNCILMAN HICKS? YEP. COUNCILMAN BOWEN? HERE. COUNCILMAN CRUZ HERE. ALRIGHT. AND I AM HERE, UH, NOT HERE YET. ARE MAYOR LONG AND MAYOR PROTE MANN. UH, NEXT ITEM. PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYBODY WANNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THEY HAVEN'T SEEN YET? ALRIGHT. AND THIS IS WITH RESPECT TO, THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION. HEY, THERE WE GO. YOU MAY WANT TO, YOU MAY WANNA WAIT UNTIL OPEN SESSION. LET 'EM KNOW WHAT? OH, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE. WOULD THAT BE GOOD? I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S, HE'S, I, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TONIGHT. YEAH. IN THE WORKSHOP. OKAY. UM, MY NAME'S CARL GLAZE. I LIVE AT 2128 SAVANNAH COURT NORTH OVER IN NEWPORT SUBDIVISION. I'M A RETIRED BATTALION CHIEF FROM THE CITY OF GALVESTON. I PUT IN 35 YEARS DOWN THERE AND I DID THREE AND A HALF YEARS WITH SEABROOK VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT BEFORE THAT. SO I'M VERY PRO VOLUNTEER. I'VE WORKED WITH VOLUNTEERS ALL MY, ALL MY LIFE. UH, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW FIRE STATION TONIGHT. WE DEFINITELY, WE DEFINITELY NEED IT. THERE IS NO IFS, ANDS, AND BUTS ABOUT IT. UH, WHAT I DO WANT TO DO THOUGH, IS PUT A PLUG IN. WE NEED MANPOWER A LOT MORE THAN WE NEED A PRETTY SHINY NEW FIRE STATION. I SUPPORT THE FIRE STATION COMPLETELY, BUT WE'RE STUCK IN A RUTT, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS AGO WE WERE STUCK AT 120 MEMBERS. NOW YOU'RE STUCK AT ABOUT 145. WE CAN HAVE ALL THE PRETTY FIRE TRUCKS AND FIRE STATIONS WE WANT, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO MAN THE TRUCKS, WE GOT A PROBLEM. AND THAT'S OUR SITUATION. THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT STRUGGLES ON A DAILY BASIS TO MAN MULTIPLE TRUCKS AT THE SAME TIME. THIS FIRE STATION WILL HELP, IT WILL HELP BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE CITY HAS GOT TO GET AGGRESSIVE, MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN WHAT THEY ARE ON RECRUITING NEW FIREFIGHTERS. AND BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA COME TO THE TABLE AND COME UP WITH A THREE YEAR, FIVE YEAR PLAN. WHAT WE'RE DOING ON MANPOWER, BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE AUTHORIZED STIPEND CREWS FOR TWO A DAY, WE CAN'T MAN 'EM, WE DON'T HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS TO DO IT. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT VOLUNTEERS ARE INSISTING THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH CURRENT VOLUNTEERS FROM LEAGUE CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT. IF YOU CAN'T MAN IT, THEN YOU GOTTA COME UP WITH ANOTHER WAY. AND WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE IS HERE FOR IS ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO PROTECT. WELL, IF WE CAN'T MAN THE TRUCKS, WE'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB OF PROTECTING CITY OF GALVESTON, WHICH IS A PAID DEPARTMENT HAS A BETTER RESPONSE TIME. THEIRS IS ROUGHLY AT FIVE MINUTES ON ALL CALLS IN THEIR CITY. WELL, THEY'RE SITTING AT THE STATION. BUT THAT FIVE MINUTE RESPONSE TIME VERSUS 10 MINUTES MAKES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN THE KITCHEN FIRE COMES IN, IT'S RUNNING UP THE BACK WALL ON THE STOVE FROM THE STOVE. WHERE, WHEN, WHEN LEAGUE CITY GETS THERE, THE WHOLE KITCHEN IS TOTALLY INVOLVED. TIME MAKES A MAJOR DIFFERENCE, AND THAT'S WHY YOU NEED THE ADDITIONAL FIRE STATION. BUT YOU GOTTA GET MORE MANPOWER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PRESENTATION REGARDING FIRE STATION LOCATION STUDY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MANN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD EVENING. UM, SO TODAY OR THIS EVENING, I'VE BROUGHT BRW ARCHITECTURAL TEAM IN. UM, THEY'RE GONNA DO A PRESENTATION. THEY PUT TOGETHER A POWERPOINT FOR US. UH, CITY MANAGER, BAUMGARTNER AND MYSELF HAVE MET WITH THEM, UH, QUITE A FEW TIMES. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ME FOR PROBABLY A GOOD PART OVER A YEAR NOW ON THIS FIRE STATION FEASIBILITY STUDY. SO THEY HAVE A GOOD, UH, POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO GO OVER OUR FIRE STATION LOCATION STUDY. UH, IT'S THE OPTIMIZED PLAN FOR OUR CITY, UH, OVERALL BUILD OUT WHERE IT'S NEEDED AND WHY. UH, THERE ARE SOME STATIONS WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT RELOCATING, UH, BUT FOR THIS POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, WE'RE GONNA BE FOCUSING MORE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF OUR CITY. UH, THE EAST SIDE. WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF FINESSING TO DO, UH, WITH THE STATION LOCATIONS. SO IF WE WOULD JUST, WE'LL JUST FOCUS ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE FOR TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, CHIEF LUGO. UM, [00:05:04] UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, I'M RAY HOLLIDAY, PRINCIPAL WITH BRW ARCHITECTS. WITH ME IS PERRY SUTTON, OUR PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS. AND OUR, UH, PROJECT COORDINATOR, TY CLAWSON. UM, AS MIKE INDICATED, OR CHIEF LUGO INDICATED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR. UH, THERE WAS KIND OF THREE, UM, GOALS OR PURPOSES FOR THE, THE STUDY. UH, THE FIRST WAS TO KIND OF IDENTIFY, UH, FUTURE LOCATIONS FOR THE FIRE STATIONS. AND SO WE, WE DID A SERIES OF GIS MAPPING AND, UH, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A COUPLE DIFFERENT, OR THREE DIFFERENT WAVES IN TERMS OF RESPONSE TIMES AND SO FORTH. AND SO WE'LL KIND OF GO OVER THAT WITH YOU THIS EVENING. UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UH, IN THESE LOCATIONS, UM, TYPES OF FIRE STATIONS THAT WOULD GO THERE. SO WE ARE, WE LOOKED AT A TWO BAY STATION AND A THREE BAY SATELLITE STATION, KIND OF A PROTOTYPE THAT COULD BE USED, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN ONE OF THE NEEDS, UM, UH, IS, UM, POSSIBLY A CENTRAL STATION. UM, WE LOOKED AT, AS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, GROUP IS EXPANDING OVER THERE, NEEDING SPACE, UH, UH, LOOKED AT A FACILITY WHERE, UH, FIRE ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE IN A NEW BUILDING AND POSSIBLY EEOC. SO THOSE WERE THE THREE MAIN ELEMENTS THAT WE KIND OF, WE LOOKED AT AND WE STUDIED. AGAIN, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA BE FOCUSING ON THE, THE LOCATIONS OF THE FIRE STATIONS. AND SO WE'LL KIND OF, UH, GO OVER THAT HERE. UM, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US. UM, UH, WE'VE, UH, DO A NUMBER OF FIRE STATION AND FIRE STATION STUDIES. UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES FOR 22 YEARS. WE, UM, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 350 PLUS FIRE STATIONS BUILT THROUGHOUT TEXAS. AND, UH, UH, NOW WE'VE KIND OF EXPANDED OUTSIDE THE STATE WITH OUR EXPERTISE. UH, WE HAVE A STAFF ABOUT 140, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US. BEEN IN, UH, BUSINESS, UH, NEXT YEAR'S, OUR 40TH YEAR. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND THEN, UH, WITH OUR FACILITIES, ONE, ONE OF A FEW DESIGN WARDS ALONG THE WAY FOR KIND OF A PAT ON THE BACK FOR KIND OF DOING GOOD DESIGN. SO TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THREE THINGS, KIND OF ABOUT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY, OF LEAGUE CITY, KIND OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF, OF, UM, SITE ANALYSIS AND SO FORTH. AND THEN KIND OF RESULT IN MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU. SO I'M GONNA LET PERRY TALK ABOUT NEEDS. SO RAY ALREADY KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE GOALS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO RECAP THE, ONE OF THE FIRST GOALS WAS TO, UM, LOOK AT THE CURRENT COVERAGE AREA, THE RESPONSE COVERAGE AREA, AND THEN, UM, HOW WE COULD OPTIMIZE THE LOCATIONS OF THE FIRE STATIONS TO MAINTAIN THAT ISO CLASS ONE AS THE CITY GROWS. AND THEN OUR SECOND GOAL WAS TO, IS TO LOOK LIKE CHIEF SAID IN THE FURTHER IN THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY WHERE YOU'RE EXPECTING SIGNIFICANT GROWTH, I THINK, I BELIEVE IT'S 40% GROWTH OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. UM, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT AREA AND FIGURE OUT, IDENTIFY WHERE THE NEXT STATIONS SHOULD BE LOCATED. AND THEN ONCE WE, OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY SORT OF PROTOTYPE OR A DESIGN THAT COULD BE UTILIZED IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WITH A, FOR A SATELLITE STATION, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL NEWS STATION, UH, AS A POSSIBILITY WITH THE EOC AND WITH THE, UH, FIRE ADMINISTRATION TO ALLEVIATE SPACE IN THE CURRENT PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. SO THESE WERE SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED TO US AS, UM, GOALS FOR THE SATELLITE STATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE LIVING SPACES FOR FIREFIGHTERS AND EMS CREW MEMBERS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A HEALTHY STATION. FIREFIGHTERS HAVE A MUCH HIGHER RISK OF, OF GETTING CANCER. SO WE WANTED TO DESIGN THIS TO, UM, INCORPORATE DECONTAMINATION PROCESSES AND REDUCE THEIR EXPOSURE TO CONTAMINANTS AND CARCINOGENS. WE ALSO WANTED TO PROMOTE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE CREW MEMBERS. COMRADERY IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE DECOMPRESSION PROCESS AND, UM, THE MENTAL HEALTH OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND, AND EMS PERSONNEL. WE ALSO HAD TO HAVE A WATCH OFFICE, A VISITING POLICE OFFICE OFFICER OFFICE, A FITNESS ROOM. AND THEN WE WANTED THE EXTERIOR DESIGN TO BE EASILY ADAPTABLE TO WHATEVER THE DESIGN SCHEME IS OF THE FUTURE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY. SO WE BELIEVE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE, THE STATIONS FIT INTO THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'RE PUT INTO. AND SO WE, WE CAN USE DIFFERENT WAYS OF CHANGE THE FACADE, I GUESS, TO COMPLIMENT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FLOOR PLAN WAS SCALABLE DEPENDING ON THE SATELLITE STATION'S NEEDS. SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE'LL PRESENT LATER. ONE'S BASED ON TWO APPARATUS BAYS AND ONE'S BASED ON THREE. AND THERE WOULD BE MORE BEDROOMS WITH A THREE APPARATUS BAY OPTION. [00:10:02] SO NOW WE'LL GET INTO THE KNOWLEDGE AND, UM, WHAT IS ISOI THINK MOST OF, YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR, BUT IT'S THE INSURANCE SERVICES OFFICE. THAT'S HOW FIRE DEPARTMENTS GET THEIR, THEIR GRADING FOR THE PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION. UM, LAKE CITY IS, IS EXCELLENT. THEY, AND THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A CLA ISO CLASS ONE. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN THAT WITH THE GROWTH THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND, UM, I, SO OBVIOUSLY CLASSIFIES ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, WITH 10, WITH ONE BEING THE BEST. SO YES, SIR. DON PREFER SAFE QUESTIONS IN THE END OR NO? ASK THEM AS GO. NO, I THINK PLEASE ASK, GO FOR IT. OKAY. THE, UH, THE, THE CLASS ONE HERE. YES, SIR. UM, YOU SAID, UH, HOW, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS BASED ON THE, THE, THE DISTANCE FROM A FIRE STATION? THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. SO , OH, I WENT THE WRONG WAY. SO THE NEXT SLIDE EXPLAINS THAT IN THAT GRADING, 10% IS BASED ON EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, 40% IS BASED ON WATER SUPPLY, AND THEN 50% IS BASED ON A REVIEW OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO 10% OF THE, OF THE ENTIRE GRADING IS BASED ON, UM, DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS. THAT'S ON THE, SORRY, ON THE NEXT. AND THEN THE, THE SCORING IS WHAT SCALE TO BE ISO ONE OR ISO TWO OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 90% OR GREATER. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE, AND THE LAST TIME LEAGUE CITY WAS SCORED, UM, IT WAS 91.23%. OKAY. ARE THERE OTHER AREAS, AREAS OF IT THAT FOR CONSTRAINTS OF OUR CITY, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR SCORE? OR IS THIS THE, THE ONLY AREA WHERE WE'VE LOST POINTS? YEAH, I, SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST AREAS THAT WE DID LOSE POINTS WAS THE DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS. SO THE FIRE STATION LOCATIONS AND RESPONSE TIMES. UH, THE OTHER PIECE WAS THE GETTING THE 16 FIREFIGHTERS ON SCENE WITHIN NINE MINUTES. THAT'S ANOTHER CRITICAL PART THAT WE GOT, UH, NOT ENOUGH. SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE FACTORS IN THAT SAME 10% OF THE SCORING? UH, NO, THAT HAS TO DO, PART OF IT IS WITH THE 10% OF THE SCORING, BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER GRADING CRITERIA WITH ACTUAL FIREFIGHTERS RESPONDING TO GET THE 16 ON SCENE WITHIN NINE MINUTES. I THINK. DOES THAT NEXT SLIDE SHOW? SORRY, THERE IT'S YES. RIGHT THERE. SO THE COMPANY PERSONNEL WHERE IT'S 15 POINTS, THAT'S WHERE I, I THINK WITHOUT HAVING 'EM IN FRONT OF MY HAND, I THINK WE GOT EIGHT POINTS. SEVEN OR EIGHT POINTS OUTTA 15. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WHAT SCORE DO YOU NEED TO BE ISO TWO? IT'S BETWEEN, I BELIEVE 80 AND 90. OKAY. AND ISO TWO IS WHAT WE WERE BEFORE THE LAST ANALYSIS. THINK ISO THREE BEFORE WE WERE ISO THREE? YES, SIR. THREE. OKAY. UM, AND THAT'S 70 TO 80, I'M GUESSING? UH, THAT'D BE GUESS WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT. YES. OKAY. AND THE BIGGEST THING FOR RESIDENTS, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN INSURANCE SAVINGS GOING FROM A TWO TO A ONE FOR RESIDENTS. THE, THE PART WHERE IT'S CRITICAL FOR A TWO TO ONE IS MORE FOR THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. AND THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THE HIGHER VALUED, UH, CORPORATIONS COMMERCIAL TO COME INTO OUR CITIES AND STUFF. THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK AT. BECAUSE HAVING A CLASS ONE MEANS WE'RE PROTECTED BY FIRE PROTECTION, POLICE PROTECTION, EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK AT TO WANT TO COME INTO CITIES. OKAY. UM, AS FOR RESIDENTS, IS THERE, I DIDN'T SEE A CHANGE WHEN WE WENT FROM THREE TO ONE IN MY INSURANCE. SO IT DEPENDS. SO THE COST ANALYSIS WAS EXTREMELY TROUBLING TO TRY TO GET, BECAUSE CERTAIN INSURANCE COMPANIES DON'T LOOK AT ISO STATE FARM, FOR INSTANCE, DOESN'T FOLLOW ISO GRADING. THEY DO THEIR OWN, UH, BASED OFF OF PREVIOUS YEARS DISASTERS AND COSTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT INSURANCE PROVIDER EACH PERSON HAS. AND THERE'S SO MANY OUT THERE THAT SOME DO FOLLOW ISO AND OTHERS DON'T. SO. OKAY. UM, THE REASON I ASK, AND I'LL JUST STOP ASKING 80 QUESTIONS TO GET TO THE ONE I'M REALLY AFTER, IS, DID WE DUPLICATE THIS ANALYSIS IF WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT A LOWER ISO? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WERE TO HAVE GREATER SPACING BETWEEN THE FIRE STATIONS? NO. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT. HOW MANY WOULD WE NEED? SO IT'S NOT REALLY, A BIG PIECE IS YES, MAKING SURE WE MEET THE ISO REQUIREMENTS, [00:15:01] BUT THE MORE, THE BETTER, UH, QUESTION OR VIEWPOINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE RESPONSE TIMES TO GO TO CALLS. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY THAT FIRE GOES IN THESE STATIONS, IT'S ALSO EMS PERSONNEL AND THEY HAVE TO BE STRATEGICALLY PLACED IN ORDER TO GET ON SCENE IN THE PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME. LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE EARLIER, YOU KNOW, GALVESTON GETS THERE IN FIVE MINUTES. THAT'S BECAUSE THE FIRE STATION LOCATIONS, UH, AND DISTANCE ISO REQUIRES EACH FIRE STATION TO BE SEPARATE BY MILE AND A HALF DISTANCE FOR ENGINE COMPANIES, IF WE HAVE A LADDER COMPANY, IT'S TWO AND A HALF MILES SPREAD AS FAR AS COVERAGE. MM-HMM. . NOW WHAT THAT EQUATES TO IS YES RESPONSE TIMES. SO IF THOSE STATIONS ARE SPACED A MILE AND A HALF APART FROM EACH OTHER, SAY THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS OUT ON A CALL ALREADY, NOW THE OTHER TWO ON EITHER SIDE CAN BE NEXT INTO THAT DISTRICT AND BE THERE WITHIN EIGHT MINUTES, WHICH NFPA REQUIRES TO BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY SAVE A LIFE. IF THEY'RE SPACED OUT TOO FAR FROM EACH OTHER, THE RESPONSE TIMES GETS EXTENDED. NOW TIME IS TICKING. LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, WE'RE EITHER GONNA LOSE A STRUCTURE OR WE'RE GONNA LOSE A LIFE BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN US TOO LONG TO GET THERE. BUT THE RADIUS THAT WE WENT WITH THE, THE ROUGHLY THE 1.5 MILE, THAT WAS BASED ON TARGETING WHAT TIME THAT IS. SO ISO LOOKS AT MPA 1710 AND THAT'S FOR CAREER DEPARTMENTS. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER DEPARTMENT, ISO, THAT'S WHAT THEY GRADE ON. AND THAT IS THE MILE AND A HALF DISTANCE. AND THAT'S WHAT NFPA NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION FOLLOWS. SAY WE WERE, WE WERE DOING THIS FOR THE TIME, NOT FOR THE ISO RATING. IT'S FOR BOTH. SO, YES. SO WHAT WAS THE, WHAT IS THE EXPECTED TIME AT THE 1.5 MILE VERSUS SAY, A TWO OR A TWO AND A HALF MILE RADIUS? SURE. IT, FOR ONE AND A HALF MILE DISTANCE IS WHAT WE WANT. WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, STAFFED WITH OUR STATIONS, SO WITH OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE EXPECT OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO GET THERE WITHIN NINE MINUTES. OKAY. OR EMS, IF WE HAD ONE AT EVERY STATION, THEY SHOULD BE THERE WITHIN FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES. THE NEXT IN COMPANY, IF IT'S AN AMBULANCE OR AN ENGINE, IF THAT STATION'S OUT ON A CALL IS EIGHT MINUTES IS HOW. AND IF PA RECOMMENDS THAT WE SHOULD BE SHOOTING FOR AS A GOAL FOR RESPONSE TIMES. NOW, AGAIN, OUR VOLUNTEERS, SO IT'S NINE MINUTES. IF WE HAD A CAREER DEPARTMENT, IT WOULD BE FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES. SO I GUESS I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE, BECAUSE IN MY MIND, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORTHINESS OF THE INVESTMENT, UM, TO THE OUTCOME. UM, AND IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD SEEN THE ANALYSIS DONE AT, OKAY, IF YOU WANT ISO TWO, HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I'M NOT SAYING WE DO IT JUST TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IT. MM-HMM. . UM, AND ALSO SINCE THE DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS IS WHAT, 10% OF THE TOTAL SCORING, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT WE COULD MAYBE BETTER INVEST THAN EXTRA, UM, LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, IF WE ALLOWED A TWO MILE RADIUS AND THAT KNOCKED US DOWN FROM, I THINK WE WERE AT 14, IS A RECOMMENDED NUMBER IN HERE OR SOMEWHERE ABOUT THAT, KNOCKED IT DOWN TWO STATIONS. UM, BUT SPENT MORE IN SAY, UH, UH, RECRUITING FOR PERSONNEL OR, OR FIGURING OUT SOME WAY TO, TO GET MORE VOLUNTEERS TO BRING UP THAT PERSONNEL SCORE. IN OTHER WORDS, WHERE DO WE GET THE MOST BANK FOR OUR BUCK ON OUR INVESTMENT IN THIS SCORING AS OPPOSED TO ONLY LOOKING AT THE ONE ASPECT? YEAH. TO ME IT'S RESPONSE TIMES MORE THAN IT IS FOLLOWING IO 1, 2, 3. AGAIN, IO ONE, TWO, OR THREE. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE VALUES ARE GONNA BE, BUT FOR ME IT'S RESPONSE TIMES. AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOTTA MAKE SURE OUR FIRE STATIONS ARE STRATEGICALLY LOCATED. AND THAT MILE AND A HALF DISTANCE BY NUMEROUS NPA STUDIES, THE HISTORY OF THE FIRE SERVICE, EVERYTHING, THAT'S WHAT THE LITERATURE, THAT'S WHAT THE STUDIES, THE RECOMMENDATIONS SHOW IS, IS THAT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL ON A MILE AND A HALF. 'CAUSE A MILE AND A HALF THROUGH MANHATTAN, OR A MILE AND A HALF THROUGH ROHAR ARE VERY DIFFERENT. WELL, THEY ARE, YEAH. AND AGAIN, IT'S HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE IT IS. SO LIKE YOU SAY, MANHATTAN, THEY HAVE FIRE STATIONS MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER AND THEY HAVE SIX FIREFIGHTERS ON ENGINES AND SEVEN OR EIGHT ON A LADDER TRUCK BECAUSE THEY NEED THE ADDITIONAL MANPOWER FOR THE TYPE OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE. AND THAT'S WHY IN THIS STUDY WE HAVE A TWO BASE STATION AND A THREE BASE STATION. THE THREE BASE STATION WOULD BE MORE FOR THE, I THINK IT'S STATION NINE LOCATED ON THE MAP, BECAUSE WHERE THAT IS, THAT'S GONNA [00:20:01] BE THE CENTRAL COMMERCIAL HUB OF OUR CITY ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE RIGHT THERE. I SAY MAPLE LEAF AND THE GRAND PARKWAY. SO THAT ONE WOULD REQUIRE A THREE BASE STATION TO HAVE A LADDER TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THAT. SO YES, I, I GUESS MY, MY POINT GOING BACK TO IS JUST I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THIS ANALYSIS DONE AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF A GOAL. NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T SHOOT FOR THE BEST, BUT TO KNOW, HEY, YOU'RE GONNA END UP PRETTY DANG GOOD AT THIS AMOUNT, OR WE CAN GET PRETTY GOOD ON THIS ASPECT OF IT. AND YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT THE, THE UH, THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS AND THEIR ABILITY TO RESPOND, UM, IS A BIG FACTOR IN THAT RESPONSE TIME, MAYBE MORE SO THAN HOLDING TO THAT MILE AND A HALF RADIUS. YEAH. AND, AND I CAN'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE. AND WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN GET WITH OUR GIS DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE EVEN, UH, TY, HE'S ONE OF THE EXPERTS FOR THE MAPPING, AND THEY'RE GONNA SHOW YOU THIS ON THE REASONS WHY WE WENT WITH THE LARSSON MODEL AND THE OTHER, UH, WHAT DO WE CALL PYTHON MODEL, I THINK IS WHAT IT'S CALLED TO COVER THE DISTANCE. BUT I THINK THAT ONE, I WOULD BE MORE FOCUSED ON RESPONSE TIMES THAN ISO. SO THIS ONE WE CAN SHOW YOU AS ISO FOR THIS EVENING. THEN WHAT I CAN DO FOR ALL OF YOU COUNCIL, SHOW YOU ONE SPECIFIC TO RESPONSE TIMES ONLY. WHAT IF WE HAD 10 STATIONS, WHAT WOULD OUR RESPONSE TIMES LOOK LIKE VERSUS NINE THAT I CAN GET TO YOU? NO PROBLEM. AWESOME. THANK YOU. YES. ALRIGHT, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE DOING, DOING THIS. YEAH. UH, SORRY, GO TOM. YEAH, CHIEF, I MEAN, JUST TO EDUCATE A LITTLE BIT OF THE COLLEAGUES UP HERE, ISO IS IS A GREAT THING TO HAPPEN. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE THE INMOST FOR, FOR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU CAN BUILD A FIRE STATION, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY A STANDARD THAT EVERY FIRE DEPARTMENT GOES AFTER, TRY TO GET THAT ISO FOR INSURANCE SAVINGS. PLUS IT ALSO SENDS A CLEAR MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE GOT ONE OF THE BEST, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AND, AND FIRE DEPARTMENT. UH, AT ONE TIME WHEN WE USED TO HAVE PROBABLY 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, WE HAD, UH, A REALLY, REALLY BAD WATER SYSTEM OR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. SO AN ISO ONE WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE QUESTION. AND WITH A LOT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE AND THE STAFF, THEY MADE THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM A LOT BETTER. AND, AND COUNCIL PASSED A LOT OF PROJECTS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UH, WE WORKED VERY HARD TO GET ISO ONE, WE WERE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF IT AND WE GOT AN ISO ONE. SO, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ABOVE 90 IS AN ISO ONE. SO THAT WAS FANTASTIC THAT WE GOT IT. UM, THERE'S ABOUT $150 A YEAR SAVINGS FROM A THREE TO A ONE. YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THAT. I'M, I'M NOT FOR SURE WHO YOUR COMPANY IS. CHIEF IS RIGHT THAT NOT ALL COMPANIES, ESPECIALLY STATE FARM DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ISO, BUT THEY HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS COMPARISON TO THE ISO. THEY USE THE SAME INFORMATION, THE SAME EVERYTHING. THEY JUST DON'T CALL IT ISO AND THEY DON'T USE ISO AS THEIR, AS THEIR MODEL. BUT IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME THING. BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRE STATIONS, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT HERE TONIGHT IS WHEN THE CITY IS COMPLETELY GROWN OUT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE GOTTA DO TOMORROW. IT'S, IT'S A FEW FORECAST OF WHEN WE'RE 250,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO START PLANNING ON THAT. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE FAILURES THAT WE'VE HAD IN, IN THE FIRE ADMINISTRATION IS THAT WE NEVER REALLY HAD A GOOD FIVE TO 10 YEAR FORECAST ON WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING AT. AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN BEHIND THE CURVE TRYING TO FIND LO LOCATIONS FOR FIRE STATIONS. UM, SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT AND DO TOMORROW, EVEN THOUGH IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, ONLY ON BUILD OUT AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. UH, I DO AGREE WITH THE CHIEF AND I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO MAINTAIN AN ISO AT EVERY, EVERY LEVEL THAT WE CAN. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A FEASIBILITY, UH, CAUSE FACTOR INVOLVED IN ANYTHING, BUT, UH, I THINK ON ONE OF THE PREVIOUS PAGES THAT SHOWED YOU SOME OF THE POINTS SYSTEMS AND THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE, YOU CAN'T MAKE BETTER THAN THAT. THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE BETTER ON, ON UH, UH, COMPANY PERSONNEL OR SOMETHING TO GET THE MAXIMUM IS TO HAVE A COMPLETE PAID DEPARTMENT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. UM, SO, UH, THERE IS SOME POINTS IN TRAINING CERTIFICATION SO FORTH THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH AND IMPROVE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN. UH, WE ALWAYS WANT TO TRY TO STRIVE TO HAVE THE BEST RESPONSE TIME FOR SIMPLY, IF YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE, TWO MINUTES MEANS EVERYTHING. SO JUST MY POINT, I KNOW THAT WE GOT ANOTHER MEETING COMING UP. I'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO SPEAK, [00:25:02] SEAN. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE EVEN CONTEMPLATING TRYING TO LOSE IS OH ONE STATUS. WE HAVE A CHAIN, A CHAIN TO A STATUS THAT NOT MANY VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS ATTAIN. AND I'M ON, I'M ON CUE OR I'M MIKE'S, MIKE'S ON. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE TRY AND THINK ABOUT LOSING OUR L ONE STATUS. IT'S, IT'S A RANK THAT NOT MANY VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS CAN ATTAIN. IT TELLS PEOPLE THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT PROTECTING THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR TIME NEEDS THE LOCATIONS OF FIRE STATIONS, EVEN IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 32ND DIFFERENCE IN RESPONSE TIMES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING FIRES IN SIZE. WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY INSIDE THAT STRUCTURE THAT'S TRAPPED, THAT DUBLIN'S DOUBLING IN SIZE OF THE FIRE COULD MEAN LIFE AND DEATH PERIOD. OUR AMBULANCES NEED TO BE CLOSER LOCATED TO THE, TO THESE, ESPECIALLY THESE NEW AREAS THAT HAVE NO COVERAGE. AGAIN, MINUTES MEANS LIFE AND DEATH. WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THIS. WE NEED TO BE SERIOUSLY CONTEMPLATING WHERE OUR STATIONS ARE GONNA GO AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN OUR STATUS OF IS OH ONE RATING. THAT'S MY VIEW OF IT. LOOK, UM, THESE ARE ALL GREAT COMMENTS, BUT CAN WE JUST RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND HO HOLD IT TO THE END? YES, THANKS. THANK YOU. SO AS WE MENTIONED, THE DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS IS ABOUT 10% OF YOUR OVERALL GRADE. UM, AND LIKE CHIEF MENTIONED, THE TWO AREAS WHERE LEAGUE CITY COULD HAVE IMPROVED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LAST ISO RATING WAS ON DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS AND COMPANY PERSONNEL. SO THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS AND HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY ABOVE THAT 90% NEXT TIME YOU GET GRADED. SO HOW, HOW DID WE DO THIS? SO THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO LOOK AT IT AT THAT MILE AND A HALF DISTANCE LIKE CHIEF HAS HAS MENTIONED. SO THE, THE LONG, THE LONG TIME WAY OF LOOKING AT IT WAS THROUGH DIAMETER CIRCLES, ONE AND A HALF MILE DIAMETER CIRCLES. SO THAT'S THE TOP ONE. AND UM, THE BAD THING ABOUT IT IS THAT IT DOESN'T, IT'S AS THE CROW FLIES, IT'S NOT AS THE ROADS LEAD TO THE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. SO IT'S NOT SUPER ACCURATE AND HOW MUCH TIME IT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE FOR YOU TO GET TO THE OUTER LIMITS OF THAT CIRCLE. THE NEXT ONE IS CALLED THE LARSSON METHOD. IT'S ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE REALISTIC. SO, AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT FURTHER ON THE, THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO, THE MAIN, THE SQUARE IS ORIENTED ON THE MAIN PATH OF TRAVEL. AND THEN FROM ANY POINT IN THAT SQUARE YOU CAN BE, YOU CAN GET TO THE OUTER LIMIT WITHIN WHICH IS WITHIN ONE AND A HALF MILES. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS, IN OUR OPINION, THE MOST ACCURATE IS ACTUAL COVERAGE POLYGON, OR SOMETIMES WE CALL IT AN AMOEBA 'CAUSE IT'S A WEIRD SHAPE. AND THAT'S BASED ON YOUR ACTUAL ROADS AND THE SPEEDS AND UM, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT GO INTO WHAT IT ACTUALLY TAKES FOR THAT ENGINE TO DRIVE FROM THE STATION TO TO THOSE LOCATIONS. SO AGAIN, KIND OF EXPANDING UPON THE, THE TWO MAIN ONES WE LOOKED AT WERE THE LARSSON MODEL AND THE ACTUAL TRAVEL DISTANCE. SO THE LARSSON MODEL, THIS IS JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT IF THE STATION'S IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT A STREET GRID FROM ANY POINT, UH, WITHIN THAT SQUARE IS A ONE AND A HALF MILE DISTANCE OR, OR LESS. SO THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE BIG WAYS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THIS AND GIVE YOU A, THERE'S, THE REASON WE WANTED TO SEE IT THIS WAY IS BECAUSE THE ACTUAL TRAVEL DISTANCE IS REALLY RELIABLE ON OR ONLY RELIABLE WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD NETWORK IN PLACE. AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PORTION OF THE CITY THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE ROAD NETWORK IN PLACE, WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT THE LARSSON MODEL AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE SHOWN YOU BOTH OPTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS STUDY. SO AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED THE THE ACTUAL TRAVEL DISTANCE, UM, TY IS OUR, OUR RESIDENT, UM, G EXPERT ON THE GIS MAPPING SOFTWARE, BUT WE WORKED WITH THE CITY'S GIS DEPARTMENT AS WELL TO GET THE INPUT INFORMATION FROM THE CURRENT ROADWAYS AND SPEEDS AND TRAVEL DISTANCES TO DETERMINE HOW FAR, IF A STATION WAS LOCATED, WHERE, WHERE COULD IT REACH AND WHERE WOULD WE BE LEAVING GAPS. SO THEN THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY. SO THE FIRST ONE, AND THIS IS NOT IDEAL, UM, THIS PROBABLY THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BUT THIS IS, IF YOU STARTED FROM SQUARE ONE AND BUILT ALL NEW FIRE STATIONS, WHERE WOULD, HOW COULD YOU GET THE A ABSOLUTE BEST COVERAGE WITH THE LARSON MODEL? AND UM, FROM THAT ANALYSIS WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 14 STATIONS TO GET THE IDEAL OVERLAP. UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVERLAPPED. SO LIKE CHIEF SAID, SO YOU'RE NOT LEAVING, UM, A HUGE GAP WHERE THE OTHER, ANOTHER A NEIGHBORING STATION COULDN'T RESPOND TO, BUT NOT TOO MUCH OVERLAP. THIS IS JUST AN EXPANDED VIEW OF THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA STICK ON IT TOO MUCH 'CAUSE THIS WOULD [00:30:01] MOST LIKELY NEVER HAPPEN. SO MAP TWO IS LOOKING AT IF WE LEFT ALL OF THE CURRENT STATIONS IN THEIR PLACES, SO STATIONS ONE THROUGH SIX AND THEN INFIELD NEWS STATIONS INTO THE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE FOCUSING MOSTLY ON THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY, BUT WE DID LOOK AT THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY AND THE NORTHERN AREA OF THE CITY AS WELL. SO THE NEXT ONE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE, SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL COVERAGE AND SO YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP IN SOME OF THE COVERAGE AREA, UM, ABOVE SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE. BUT WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THAT IS A GAP BECAUSE THERE'S NO EXISTING ROAD NETWORK FOR US TO LOOK AT. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANNA SHOW YOU THE, THE LARSSON METHODS TO SHOW THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME GAP, BUT NOT, NOT TOTALLY, BUT THAT'S LEAVING ALL THE CURRENT STATIONS IN THEIR EXISTING LOCATIONS. SO THERE'S JUST A, A LARGER VERSION OF THAT. SO THE MAP THREE A, UM, CHIEF LUGO NOTIFIED US THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION IN OR IN, UH, COMMENTARY IN THE ISO RATING BEFORE THAT STATION THREE AND FOUR I BELIEVE MAY HAVE NEEDED TO BE RELOCATED, ESPECIALLY STATION THREE. SO WE LOOKED AT, UM, WHAT WOULD IT, WHAT WOULD IT HA WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE RELOCATED STATION THREE AND FOUR TO A MORE IDEAL LOCATION, BUT LEFT STATION ONE IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. AND SO THIS IS, I'M GONNA JUMP TO THE, WE COULD GET, WE COULD GET PRETTY GOOD COVERAGE WITH 13 STATIONS. LOOKING AT IT THIS WAY, I'M JUST GONNA SKIP TO, TO THE LARGER VERSION OF THIS MAP. SO WE WOULD MOVE STATION THREE A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE STATION FOUR A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UM, CLEAR CREEK. SO THIS ONE, UH, WE, WE DO GET PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD COVERAGE. WE BELIEVE, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE CITY WITH MINIMAL OVERLAP. WE WERE PROPOSING ABOUT FOUR STATIONS WOULD BE ADDED IN THAT AREA AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO INFILL STATIONS 11, 12 AND 13 TO COVER THE, WHAT'S THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY. BUT WE'RE STILL EXPLORING THE BEST LOCATIONS FOR THOSE STATIONS. IF, IF I CAN JUST REAL, REAL QUICKLY AND OBVIOUSLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION COMES UP AS WE TRY TO ADVANCE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT FIRE STATION WE BUILD AND I THINK THIS IS A KIND OF A GOOD EXAMPLE WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AND THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZING COVERAGE AND MINIMIZING GAPS. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THE EAST SIDE, YOU SEE A FAIR AMOUNT OF OVERLAP AND MAYBE IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LITTLE MORE STRATEGICALLY. AND SO AS WE LOOK TO BUILD, LET'S JUST SAY STATION 7, 9, 10, 8 IN HOW TO MAXIMIZE COVERAGE AND MINIMIZE THE GAPS IN THERE. AND SO AGAIN, TODAY THE FOCUS IS SOUTHWEST, BUT THAT'S, THIS IS I THINK A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE YOU SEE A FAIR AMOUNT OF OVERLAP ON THE EAST SIDE AND LESS OVERLAP ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE. GO AHEAD PERRY. SORRY. PERFECT. NO, THAT'S EXACTLY, SO, UM, WE'RE STILL LOCATING IT, BUT YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE A HUGE AMOUNT OF OVERLAP BETWEEN STATION SIX AND 13. UM, THAT IS LESS THAN IDEAL, BUT SINCE STATION SIX IS ONE OF YOUR NEWEST STATIONS, WE WOULD NOT PROPOSE MOVING THAT. SO THIS IS SHOWING THAT ACTUAL TRAVEL DISTANCE. ONCE AGAIN, IT, IT REALLY WORKS WELL WHERE YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPED STREET NETWORK AND IT WORKS NOT QUITE AS WELL ON THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THIS, OF THE SIDE OF THE CITY, BUT THE LIGHT GREEN IS SHOWING, UM, THE DISTANCE THAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR A LADDER TRUCK TO ARRIVE THERE. SO THAT'S THE TWO AND A HALF MILE DISTANCE AND THE DARK GREEN IS THE ONE AND A HALF MILE DISTANCE FOR THE ENGINE COMPANY. AND WHERE WE, AND WHERE WE SEE THE WHITE AREA ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE, AS PERRY SAID, THAT'S PURELY MY BELIEF IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MATURE, MATURE, MATURE, UH, STREET LAYOUT, UM, THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HAVEN'T COME FORWARD AND SO THERE WAS NOTHING TO MODEL IT AFTER. AND SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET FILLED IN. SAME THING WITH, UM, STATION FOUR ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE. I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME EXISTING STREET NETWORK THAT HASN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED THERE. BUT, UM, WE DID LOOK AT, WE MOVED THAT STATION NORTH OF CLEAR CREEK BECAUSE WHEN IT'S FURTHER SOUTH WE, WE GET REALLY A HUGE LAP IN COVERAGE FROM WHEN IT'S SOUTH OF CLEAR CREEK. SO MAP THREE B IS LOOKING AT RELOCATING STATIONS ONE, THREE AND FOUR TO MAYBE A, A MORE MOVING STATION ONE FURTHER DOWN SOUTH SOUTHEAST TO ON HIGHWAY THREE. AND WE WOULD ALSO LOOK, LET ME GET TO THE BIGGER MAP, SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, SO IF WE RELOCATED STATION ONE FURTHER TO THE SOUTHEAST, WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THE STATIONS AND PROVIDE REALLY GOOD COVERAGE FOR THE CITY WITH 12 FIRE STATIONS INSTEAD OF 13. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT EASTERN PORTION OF [00:35:01] THE CITY, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THAT MOVING, POSSIBLY CONSIDERING RELOCATING THAT STATION COULD BE A POTENTIAL SAVINGS OF NOT NEEDING AN ADDITIONAL STATION. BUT WE'RE STILL SEEING A GOOD BIT OF OVERLAP WITH STATION 11. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WE'RE STILL EXPLORING THOSE AREAS AND UM, WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET THAT UPDATE TO YOU ON THE SOUTHWEST PORTION. AND THIS MAP, NOTHING CHANGED, WE WOULD STILL PROPOSE MOVING STATION FOUR TO NORTH OF CLEAR CREEK AND THEN IN FILLING WITH NEW STATIONS 7, 8, 9, AND 10. YES, THANK YOU PERRY. SO WITH THIS MAP THAT SHE'S CURRENTLY ON AS WELL, SO WITH STATION FOUR, THE METHODOLOGY BEHIND THAT IS MOVING IT NORTH OF THE CREEK BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT THREE OR 400 ACRES I BELIEVE THE CITY OWNS AND THAT'S GONNA BECOME A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'RE GETTING THE PROTECTION THERE. ALSO PROTECTING CHALLENGER STADIUM, UM, THAT PORTION OF THE CITY PLUS THE CURRENT STATION FOUR WAS BUILT WITHOUT, UH, OVERNIGHT STAFFING FOR OUR MEMBERS. SO WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS THAT DO ROTATE BETWEEN A STIPEND SHIFT OF POINT SHIFT PLUS HAVING EMS THERE NOW WITH ADDING TWO MORE ROOMS IN THERE, THEIR LIVING QUARTERS HAS SIGNIFICANTLY SHRUNK. SO THEIR STATION LIVING HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY. I DON'T MUCH CARE FOR THAT FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS. I KNOW THEY'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT. IT'S, IT IS WHAT IT IS WITH THEIR CURRENT STAFF IN THE WAY. UH, WE NEED TO GET EMS AND FIRE IN THE FIRE STATION TOGETHER. UM, SO TO HELP THEM OUT TO GET A BETTER STATION THERE, BUT ALSO GIVE US OUR PROTECTION IN THE CITY WITHOUT, WITH MINIMIZING OVERLAP, MOVING THE STATION FOUR TO THE NORTH AND THEN ADDING THE STATION EIGHT. THE CITY POTENTIALLY HAS ABOUT 16 ACRES THAT WE COULD PROBABLY BUILD THE STATION EIGHT ON IN THAT LOCATION. AND AS YOU SEE THOSE FOUR STATIONS STRATEGICALLY LOCATED, THAT'S THE OPTIMIZED PLAN FOR THAT SOUTHWEST SIDE NOW, LIKE, UH, CITY MANAGER BAUMGARTNER MENTIONED THE EAST SIDE, WE STILL HAVE TO REFINE, BUT IF YOU SEE THE MARBELLA AREA, THE MARBELLA AREA CURRENTLY ISN'T COVERED WITH STATION SIX. THERE'S STILL A DRASTIC RESPONSE TIME STILL COVERAGE GAP RIGHT THERE IN THAT MARBELLA NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHY WE WOULD NEED A STATION LOCATION SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. SO IF ANYTHING, THIS MAP OVERALL HELPS US PLANNING WISE FOR OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING TO IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE OUR STATIONS NEED TO BE LOCATED SO THE CITY, UM, CAN START PLANNING ON WHAT STATION, WHAT LANDS NEED TO BE PURCHASED NOW BEFORE TOTAL BUILD OUT HAPPENS. AND THEN WE'RE AWAY BE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL NOW AND WE POSSIBLY WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR ST UH, STATIONS STRATEGICALLY LOCATED THEN. UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS AND WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU NOW. BUT I GUESS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YEAH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FORWARD, I MEAN THE DECISION IS TO BLESS A PLAN IF WE'RE NOT READY TO DO THAT, THAT'S PERFECTLY, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T GO START BUILDING THE STATION UNTIL WE KNOW THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, HAS COALESCED AROUND A PLAN. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER TRESSLER COMMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A COST AND RISK THING AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH GAP IS ACCEPTABLE. YOU KNOW, THIS PLAN ON THE, WHAT I CALL THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE CITY'S PRETTY TIGHT. I THINK IT MINIMIZES ANY GAP AREAS AND HAS VERY LITTLE OVERLAP. AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE MOST DENSE. IF WE MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS DENSE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT QUESTION QUESTION AND WE CAN PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. THE NEXT ONE IS JUST AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL TRAVEL DISTANCE. UM, IF WE HAD THE STREET NETWORK FOR THE SOUTHWEST PORTION, WE COULD INPUT THAT AND SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT IT WOULD BE FILLED IN MORE WITH THE DARK GREEN AREA ONCE WE HAVE A ROAD NETWORK AND UM, AND THE GRAND PARKWAY'S FINISHED WITH THE CROSSINGS AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND IS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ONE MORE THING. FOOD, YOU KNOW, FOOD FOR THOUGHT. WE WOULDN'T COME IN HERE AND SAY RIGHT NOW, TODAY WE'RE GONNA RELOCATE STATION FOUR. YOU KNOW, WE BUILD THESE BUILDINGS FOR A 50 YEAR LIFE. BUT AS WE, AS WE LOOK TO IT, WE WOULD LOOK TO, YOU KNOW, PUT STATION EIGHT ALONG LEAGUE CITY PARKWAY POTENTIALLY. AND THEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME, AND I KNOW THE CHIEF SAID WE OWN 400 ACRES, THERE'S 400 ACRES WITHIN THE CITY LIMIT. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UNDER CURRENT DISCUSSION FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL UP THERE. AND SO TODAY, FOR TODAY, STATION FOUR WOULD LEAVE GAPS IF WE LEFT IT WHERE IT IS. AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A PLAN IN, IN ANYWAY. TODAY'S STATION FOUR, IT LEAVES A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GAP NORTH OF CLEAR CREEK. UH, IF WE MOVE THE STATION FOUR NORTH OF THAT, THEN THAT COVERS THAT AREA, BUT DOES LEAVE SOME, UH, A GAP TO THE SOUTH OF CLEAR CREEK AND THAT COULD BE RESOLVED WITH A CROSSING AT, UM, CORRECT. PALOMINO PALOMINO. YES. THANK YOU. [00:40:02] SO THAT, UM, CONCLUDES THE MAPPING PORTION OF THE SECTION. I WAS GONNA MOVE INTO THE SATELLITE STATION DESIGN AND, AND WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO LOOK FOR MOVING FORWARD. SO THIS IS, UM, AN IDEAL SITE PLAN. SO THIS IS NOT FOR ANY PARTICULAR LOCATION 'CAUSE WE WANNA EXPLORE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS ALREADY OR LOOK AT WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO IDENTIFY THE IDEAL SIZE FOR A STATION THAT COULD BE EXPANDED FROM TWO TO THREE BAYS OR START WITH, WITH THREE BAYS WE WOULD LOOK AT APPROXIMATELY, WE COULD GET IT DOWN TO THREE ACRES. WE'RE SHOWING 3.2, UM, BUT WE COULD GET A, A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. THE, SOME OF THE SITE FEATURES THAT WOULD WANNA BE INCLUDED IS THAT THERE'S AN EASILY VISIBLE AND SEPARATE PUBLIC PARKING AND ENTRY FROM WHERE THE EMPLOYEES WOULD PARK. AND WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE SECURE EMPLOYEE PARKING WITH ENOUGH SPACES FOR SHIFT CHANGE. SO THE UM, THERE, THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING FOR EVERYONE TO BE WITHIN THAT SECURE AREA FOR THE APPARATUS. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A 35 FOOT TURNING RADIUS FOR LADDER TRUCKS. SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE TURN RADIUSES ARE LARGER. WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THERE ARE CLEAR SIGHT LINES LEAVING THE APPARATUS BAY TO THE ROADWAY SO THAT IT'S SAFER WHEN YOU'RE EXITING ONTO THE ROADWAY. AND THEN ANOTHER ASPECT IS HAVING AN ADEQUATE APRON THAT'S THE FRONT DRIVEWAY TO THE APPARATUS BAY SO THAT THEY, THE FIRETRUCKS CAN BE PULLED OUT AND HAVE CHECKS DONE ON THEM EACH MORNING. AND THEN WE ALSO WANNA IDENTIFY DUMPSTER AND GENERATOR ENCLOSURES AND THEN LOCATE THE STATION ON THE SITE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT COULD ALLOW FOR THE STATION TO GROW AS THE CITY NEEDS. LIKE MR. BAUMGARTER MENTIONED, WE DESIGNED STATIONS FOR 50 YEARS. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS CAN ACCOMMODATE THE CITY'S NEEDS AS THE POPULATION CONTINUES TO GROW. WITH THAT SAID, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU TWO DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS. THIS IS THE, THE THREE BAY STATION FLOOR PLAN. UH, IT'S ORGANIZED OR THE COLORS THAT ARE BRIGHTLY SHOWN OR TO SHOW YOU THE EXAMPLE OF THE HEALTHY STATION. SO THE RED AREA IS THE HOT HIGH HAZARD ZONE. THE YELLOW AREA IS THE TRANSITIONAL MODERATE HAZARD ZONE. AND THEN THE GREEN, DARKER GREEN AREA IS THE COOL LOW HAZARD ZONE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE PRIVATE AREAS OF THE STATION. THE LIGHT GREEN IS THE LOW HAZARD, BUT THE SEMI-PRIVATE AREAS OF THE STATION. AND THEN BLUE ARE THE PUBLIC AREAS. SO YOU HAVE THEIR LOBBY AND THE PUBLIC RESTROOM. THIS STATION'S JUST SHY OF 14,000 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE AT 13,966. UM, WE GET THAT HAZARD SEPARATION ZONE FOR, UH, BEING HEALTHIER, STATIONED TO REDUCE FIREFIGHTERS RISK OF EXPOSURE TO CARCINOGENS AND CONTAMINANTS. THIS HAS 10 PRIVATE SLEEPING ROOMS WITH TWO OFFICER SUITES, A POLICE REPORT WRITING OFFICE THREE PULL THROUGH DOUBLE STACKED APPARATUS, BAYS A GYM WITH OUTDOOR ACCESS TO REDUCE THE GYM, GYM FOOTPRINT. THEY CAN GO OUTSIDE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO CONDITION THAT SPACE. AND THEN A COVERED PATIO PROVIDES AN AREA FOR DECOMPRESSION. SO THE SCALED DOWN VERSION OF THAT FLOOR PLAN WITH TWO BAY TWO APPARATUS BAYS. SO WE LOST A BAY AND THEN WE DROPPED DOWN TWO OF THE, OF THE SLEEPING ROOMS. SO WE'RE AT EIGHT PRIVATE SLEEPING ROOMS, TWO OFFICER SUITES. THE, THE REST OF THE FLOOR PLANS THE EXACT SAME SO THAT TO SHOW YOU THAT IT COULD BE SCALED UP OR DOWN OR ADDED ONTO IN THE FUTURE WITH, UM, WITH MINIMAL DESIGN CHANGES. SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE RENDERING OF WHAT ONE OF THOSE STATIONS MIGHT LOOK LIKE. LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WHEREVER FIRE STATIONS ARE BUILT, THAT THEY FIT WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES. SO IF IT, IT WAS A DIFFERENT THEME DESIGN SCHEME, THEN THAT COULD BE CHANGED TO, UM, TO COMPLEMENT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE STATION WAS INCORPORATED INTO. AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS IN, WE'RE SHOWING A RESIDENTIAL DESIGN, UM, IF IT WAS IN A MORE COMMERCIAL AREA THAN THE DESIGN OF THE STATION MAY LOOK MORE COMMERCIAL AND AND AESTHETIC STYLE. OKAY, SO I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MONEY 'CAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. UM, YOU KNOW, WHY DO THESE THINGS COST SO MUCH AND UM, WE DON'T MAKE 'EM THAT EXPENSIVE, BUT THEY, THE WAY THE TRENDS HAVE BEEN GOING HERE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE TRACK ON A REGULAR BASIS HERE, UH, QUARTERLY TO SEE WHERE TRENDS ARE GOING. UM, PRIOR TO COVID, WE WERE DOING STATIONS IN THE, IN THE UPPER THREE HUNDREDS WAS KIND OF THE AVERAGE WE WERE SEEING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS AS COVID KIND OF HIT. AND THEN WE WOKE UP TO, UH, LATE 2020, EARLY 21, UH, WITH THE DEMAND OF MATERIALS AND THE SHORTAGE OF MATERIALS, UH, THINGS JUMPED UP, UM, OVER 25%. IT CONTINUED INTO, UH, EARLY 22. AND FROM NI FROM 2018 TO NOW, IT'S ALMOST A 45% INCREASE OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN. EVEN [00:45:01] MATERIAL SHORTAGES HAVE NOW STABILIZED, BUT NOW WE'RE ON TO ANOTHER, UH, CHALLENGE WITH THE SHORTAGE OF LABOR. AND SO, UH, EVERYONE'S LOOKING FOR MASONS AND ELECTRICIANS AND UM, UH, SYSTEMS, UM, INSTALLERS. AND SO NOW WE'RE ONTO ANOTHER CHALLENGE WHERE NOW EVERYONE'S BUSY, EVERYONE'S CONSTRUCTING AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LABOR FORCE OUT THERE TO, UH, MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND SO NOW WE'RE ONTO ANOTHER CHALLENGE WHERE THE, JUST STARTING IN JULY AND AUGUST, WE'VE SEEN A JUMP. WE'VE GOT FOUR STATIONS BIDDING HERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, SO WE GET MORE DATA ON THAT, BUT WE'RE SEEING ANOTHER INCREASE. SO, UM, HATE TO BE THE BEAR OR BAD NEWS, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF WAY THINGS ARE GOING RIGHT NOW. SO THE QUESTION IS THEN YOUR FACILITIES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, SO THE THREE BAY STATION, LOOKING AT, UM, THE STATION COST, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, 9,371,000 SOME CHANGE, UM, HOPEFULLY FOR THE LAND ACQUISITION THAT, UH, NOT A WHOLE LOT INVOLVED IN THAT ONE. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME ENGINEERING DESIGN FEES, FURNITURE FIXTURE EQUIPMENT, ALWAYS HAVE A LITTLE CONTINGENCY. SO WE'RE ROUGH. WE'RE ROUGHING AT ABOUT 11 MILLION, JUST SHY OF 12 MILLION FOR THAT ONE. SAME THING ON THE TWO BASE STATION. UM, BE A LITTLE OVER 10 MILLION AT 10.6 MILLION. WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED FOR STATION NINE IS A THREE BAY STATION, UH, TO BE A FULL HOUSE WITH ENGINE AND LADDER COMPANY. UM, ONE NOTE ON THE, UM, PLANS, JUST GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, UM, IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SLIGHTLY OVERSIZED, THE BEDROOMS, UM, THAT'S DESIGNED FOR DISASTERS AND SO FORTH TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL STAY AT THESE FACILITIES. SO, UH, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA IN THESE. UM, BUT THEY'RE FOR, UM, MEANINGFUL REASONS. WE HAVE MURPHY BEDS KIND OF BUILT IN AS WELL FOR, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS TO STAY AT THESE FACILITIES IN CASE OF HURRICANE AND OTHER DISASTERS AND SO FORTH. SO JUST A, A POINT THERE TO, UH, THINK ABOUT. YEAH, THE, THE OTHER THING ON THE COST ESTIMATES REAL QUICK, CAN WE GO BACK ONE SLIDE? AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COST ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW, THIS MAKES AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE GET THE LAND FOR FREE. IT ALSO DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OFFSITE UTIL OFFSITE UTILITIES OR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS IF NECESSARY. AND IF I'M CORRECT, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY APPARATUS COST, IS THAT THIS IS JUST THE FIRE STATION AND NO APPARATUS, SO IT'S JUST WHAT'S IN THE THREE AND A THREE AND A HALF ACRES, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST WITHIN THE SITE TO RUN UTILITIES IS A APPRO. IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT'S APPROXIMATELY ABOUT, FOR EVERY A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, IT'S ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO RUN UTILITIES, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHICH UTILITIES AND HOW FAR, HOW CLOSE YOU ARE TO IMPROVED PROPERTY, RIGHT? EXACTLY. CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, SO, UH, FOR TONIGHT, UM, SOME IMMEDIATE, UH, DECISIONS OR DISCUSSIONS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY STARTED, UH, WHICH STATIONS LAYOUTS MAP IS PREFERRED. UM, AND AGAIN, AS, UM, JOHN HAS INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHWEST SIDE, UH, WITH THE NEW STATION LOCATIONS FIT IN REALLY NICELY. THERE'S HARDLY ANY OVERLAP. SO WE FEEL LIKE THE MAPPING IS, IS NICE OVER THERE WITH TIME. THE EAST SIDE COULD BE EQUALLY AS WELL, BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, WE'RE MASTER PLANNING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP THAT IS CURRENTLY OCCURRING ON THE EAST SIDE. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO START WITH STATION NINE. UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY SOME ROAD CONSTRUCTION ALREADY STARTED IN THAT AREA AND THERE'S HOUSING UNDERWAY WITH ONE OR TWO DEVELOPERS. AND SO WITH THAT ALREADY IN THE MOTION AND A NEED JUST AROUND THE CORNER, WE'RE RECOMMENDING STATION NINE, UH, LAND REC, UH, RECOGNITION, UH, AND NEGOTIATION WITH, UH, DEVELOPERS A NEXT STEP. AND SO I THINK THEY'RE INTERESTED IN KIND OF WAITING FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSIONS AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE COSTS FOR A THREE BAY STATION, UH, PLUS WHATEVER UTILITIES AND ADDITIONAL COSTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. BUT THAT'LL BE, AGAIN, SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, THE DEVELOPER TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING AND HOW FAR WE NEED TO PULL UTILITIES. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE NEED TO WRAP THIS UP. SO, UM, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE ON THE QUEUE. ANYONE ELSE WANNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE MOVE ALONG? I, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE PICKING OUT, I DIDN'T GET TO THE LAST SLIDE. I GUESS DIDN'T, BUT, UH, SO WE'RE NOT, SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA GET A CONSENSUS IN A WORKSHOP ON EXACTLY, UH, WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE. YES, YES. SO WHY DON'T WE, TOM, WHAT WERE YOUR COMMENTS? SO MY, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UH, QUESTIONS HERE. IT WOULD'VE MADE QUESTIONS, WOULD'VE MADE A LITTLE MORE SENSE IF WE COULD'VE, UH, ASKED THEM AS WE WENT ALONG. BUT THE, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY TO MAKE SURE THIS [00:50:01] WORKSHOP. SO, SO TOMMY, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING OVER THIS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN THE CITY IS AT THE $250,000, UH, NOT $2,000, THE 250,000 POPULATION, UM, THROUGH, THROUGHOUT SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. AND, AND SEAN, I'M, I'M GONNA REALLY WANT YOU TO ANSWER THIS TOO. AT WHAT POINT, I KNOW THAT EACH OF YOU HAVE KIND OF TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT, JUST, NOT LIKE PRIVATELY, BUT JUST AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GONNA STAY A VOLUNTEER? 'CAUSE YOU HAD NUMBERS THAT SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO GO TO A PAID STAFF IF WE END UP GOING TO A PAID STAFF BEFORE THE $250,000 OR A TWO, I DON'T KNOW, I'M GONNA KEEP SAYING DOLLARS. SO IT'S, IT'S HEAD COUNT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE BASICALLY PLANNING IN INEFFICIENCIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND WE'RE GONNA BUILD THESE FIRE STATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED IF WE GO TO THAT STAFFING PLAN. LIKE, LIKE IT'D ALWAYS DEPEND ON YOU GUYS TO TELL ME RIGHT NOW, WHEN WILL WE GO PAID? SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT IT, THAT, THAT YOU WOULD SAY 250? WILL WE STILL BE VOLUNTEERED? LOOK, IT'S NOT GERMANE TO THE ACTUAL WORK STATION ABSOLUTELY GERMANE. NO, NO, IT IS. ABSOLUTELY. THEY'RE WANTING US TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT FIRE. THERE'S NO DECISION'S GONNA BE MADE TONIGHT. I'M JUST, ALL RIGHT. IT'S A WORK SHIFT. SO, SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PRESENTATION, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION IS HOW WILL WE, HOW CAN WE FOR WORK SHOPPING IT, HOW CAN WE DECIDE WHERE WE NEED THESE, WE, THESE FIRE STATIONS, IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME INEFFICIENCIES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THE STAFFING, ARE WE COMING BACK AND ARE WE SAYING, HEY, NOPE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE EVERYTHING, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE VOLUNTEER IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT STAFF. AND SO IF, SO, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE OPERATING OUTSIDE OF OUR CURRENT INEFFICIENCIES, THEN I DON'T THINK WE NEED AS MANY FIRE STATIONS. IF WE'RE AT A PAID, IF WE ARE AT A PAID STATUS, WHICH I KNOW THAT NOBODY WANTS TO, TO SAY, BUT THEY KEEP WHISPERING IT, THEN WE DEFINITELY DON'T NEED ENOUGH. BECAUSE IF IT'S LIKE GALVESTON, WE'RE AT FIVE MINUTE TURNAROUNDS. SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD WANNA MAKE THESE $10 MILLION BUILDINGS FOR SOMETHING THAT WE MAY NOT NEED. SO IT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT GERMANE AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR A LONG-TERM PLANNING AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. ALL RIGHT, NEXT. UM, I GET THAT THIS FOR FUTURE PLANNING. YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE POINTING OUT TOMMY, UM, I, I GUESS MY, THAT'S WHY I'M SO CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT RESPONSE TIME WE REALLY ARE TARGETING. UM, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE TOO BIG A GAPS, BUT WE DON'T WANNA PLAN TOO SMALL. UM, SO I'M THERE, UM, AS FOR WHY CONSIDERING ISO TWO, UM, I THINK IT HAS TO BE ON THE TABLE AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION. YOU HIT A LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS WHERE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SPEND TOO MUCH AND WHAT BENEFIT DO WE GET FROM IT? AND EVERYTHING'S A TRADE OFF AT SOME POINT. UM, IF WE WANNA SAY WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING FOR THE UTMOST SAFETY, WE'D ALL LIVE IN BUBBLES AND NEVER LEAVE OUR HOUSES. UM, EVERYTHING IS SOME SORT OF A RISK TRADE. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THE MAPS. UH, MAP TO THE LARSSON MODEL, UM, SHOWING NEW FIRE STATIONS 10 TO 13 ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT WE'RE ALREADY AT ISO ONE AND THERE'S REALLY NO NEW GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS EXCEPT MAYBE 13 BECAUSE OF COASTAL POINT, BUT THE INFILL WITH, WITH STATIONS 10, 11 AND 12, THERE'S NO NEW GROWTH THERE. UM, SO WE MADE ISO ONE NOW WITHOUT THOSE, WHY DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER THOSE? UM, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH CAN WE BACK OFF OF THIS AND STILL MAKE IT, UM, I NEED THAT ANALYSIS DONE. NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IS OPTIMAL FOR PURELY FROM A RESPONSE TIME THING, BUT A COST VERSE RESPONSE TIME THING. UM, MAP THREE A, UM, SOME OF THOSE RELOCATED FIRE STATIONS ARE REALLY QUESTIONING, MAYBE THEY'RE OPTIMAL FROM A, UH, FITTING ON A MAP PERSPECTIVE, BUT THE REVISED THREE LOOKS TO BE IN THE GATES OF SOUTH SHORE. IT'S COMPLETELY IMPRACTICAL. 13 IS, I ASSUME GOING IN NEXT TO THE SWIMMING POOL AT MARBELLA. ALSO NOT REALLY GONNA WORK. WE CAN'T BE IN THE SUBDIVISION. UM, QUESTION HOW THAT'S REALLY GONNA WORK. UM, THEN AS WE GO TO THE DESIGN OF THESE, HAVE WE DONE A COST TRADE ON DOING A TWO STORY STATION, KINDA LIKE WE DID TO FIT IN THE LITTLE TRIANGLE OF [00:55:01] LAND FOR STATION SIX, UM, WHERE YOU MOVE THE, THE BEDROOMS AND SO FORTH TO THE SECOND LEVEL, UM, VERSUS THE LAND ACQUISITION TO DO IT ALL RANCH STYLE. UM, DO WE HAVE THAT ANALYSIS? I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TOO IN AN UPDATE PACKAGE. NOT TONIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE TIME. UM, AND THE FINAL THING I WANNA POINT OUT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT 10 TO $12 MILLION FOR A FIRE STATION, BUT WE BALKED AT THE PUBLIC WORKS OP FACILITY AND TOOK IT OUT OF THE BUDGET TO ACCELERATE THIS BECAUSE WE FELT $6 MILLION WAS TOO MUCH FOR IT. AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE OF THOSE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. BONE. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK, UH, COMMENT. UM, I'D LIKE TO, WHEN YOU REDO YOUR MAPS TO CONSIDER THE, THE, UH, TRAIL, UH, THE YEAH TRAIN TRACKS AND 45 AS AS CHOKE POINTS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE THREE ACCESS POINTS ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS IN THE CITY. SO I, I THINK THE, THE MAPS NEED TO REFLECT THAT. 'CAUSE THEY SHOULD BE THE BORDERS OF THOSE POLYGONS AS YOU LAY 'EM OUT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT, MR. ES, YOU HAVE A LAST WORD? YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A MAJOR PLAN FOR, AS I SAID, FOR 250,000 PEOPLE. UM, WE'RE, I'M ALWAYS FOR AN ISO ONE BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN BE AND I WANNA BE THE BEST THAT WE CAN BE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY. SO TRYING TO PUT FIRE STATIONS OUT THERE. TOM, I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE BACK ROOM. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, I MAY, JOHN, WHAT YOU GOT? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, I KNOW WE'VE RUN OUTTA TIME HERE, SO IF COUNCIL HAS OTHER QUESTIONS AND INPUT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING BACK SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL'S ULTIMATE APPROVAL, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE SOUTHWEST. UM, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER TRESSLER WANTED TO LOOK AT SOME ADDITIONAL MAPPING WITH A LITTLE MORE SPACING AND WE'LL GET THAT THAT TO HIM. SO, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT ANY MORE INPUT, PLEASE EITHER COMMUNICATE THROUGH ME OR CHIEF LUGO AND WE'LL, UH, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT I THINK THAT THE, UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH MODELING THIS, YOU KNOW, AS JUST A CONSUMER, NOT AS A PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE TIME AND THE RESPONSE TIME AND THE COST OF GOING, UH, YOU KNOW, OF ADDING EMS OR ADDING, UH, FIRE UNITS THAT ARE PAID, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY IS, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION. I MEAN, I THINK ALL FOR MAPPING THIS OUT, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M PRETTY SURE THEY ASKED FOR. BUT REALLY, IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO THINK AHEAD, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO PUT DOLLARS TO THE RESPONSE TIME, BUT THAT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING. SO THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 5 59 AND WE'RE NOT GONNA START AT SIX O'CLOCK, WE'RE GONNA START AT 6 0 5. GIVE GIVE THE MAYOR TIME TO GET HERE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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