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THE CITY COUNCIL[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL OF MEMBERS]
OF THE CITY OF LAKE CITY WILL NOW COME TO ORDER AND REGULAR MEETING JULY 11TH, 2023 AT 6:00 PM UH, WE'LL CALL ORDER.UH, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE PASTOR MATT JONES FROM CITY MARK CHURCH, WHO WILL BE OUR INVOCATION SPEAKER THIS EVENING.
AND, UH, IF YOU FEEL FREE TO DO SO, PRAY WITH ME.
THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL CITY.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR HAND ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, BUT WE THANK YOU THAT IN THIS MEETING, THAT WISDOM COMES FROM YOU.
AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR THE WISDOM OF THE LORD THAT WILL SHOW UP AND MAKE DECISIONS.
SEE BEHIND THE CURTAIN, TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY.
AND LORD, I THANK YOU FOR THE WISDOM TO BE IN THIS ROOM.
I THANK YOU THAT YOUR PRESENCE AND YOUR POWER WILL BE SHOWN TONIGHT.
WE GIVE YOU ALL THE GLORY AND ALL THE HONOR IN JESUS' MIGHTY NAME WHO ALL SAID AMEN.
GOD BLESS ALLEGIANCE TO THE US.
FLAG PLEDGE ALLE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ALL TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THANK YOU PASTOR.A JUNE 27TH, 2023, REGULAR MEETING.
ANY CORRECTIONS? HEARING NONE.
UH, THESE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
[4. PROCLAMATIONS, PRESENTATIONS, AWARDS, AND COMMUNITY SPOTLIGHT]
PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP RIGHT NOW, D DE MALAY INTERNATIONAL.
AND I'LL READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AS THEY'RE COMING UP.
D MOLAY INTERNATIONAL IS AN ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO PREPARING YOUNG MEN TO LEAD HAPPY, SUCCESSFUL, AND PRODUCTIVE LIVES.
THROUGH ITS TIMELESS PRINCIPLES AND PRACTICAL EXPERIENCES.
MEMBERS OF D OLAY LEARN TO DEVELOP CIVIC AWARENESS, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, LEADERSHIP SKILLS, VITAL.
IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, THE ORGANIZATION COMBINES ITS MISSION WITH AN APPROACH THAT BUILDS IMPORTANT BONDS OF FRIENDSHIP AMONG MEMBERS IN ITS MORE THAN A THOUSAND CHAPTERS WORLDWIDE WITH ALUMNI LIKE WALT DISNEY, JOHN WAYNE, AND WALTER CRONKITE.
SINCE BEING REACTIVATED IN APRIL, 2010, THE JOHN WAYNE CHAPTER NUMBER 3 6 67 HAS RAISED SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR VARIOUS LOCAL CHARITIES AND WON MULTIPLE AWARDS IN COMPETITIONS AGAINST OTHER DE MALAY CHAPTERS NATIONWIDE AS PART AS, AS PART OF TEXAS D MALAY.
THE CHAPTER ATTENDS GOVERNMENT DAY EACH YEAR AT THE CAPITOL IN AUSTIN, HOLDING A MOCK LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT.
AND THE SAME REASON THAT BRINGS THEM HERE TONIGHT.
WELL, YOU GUYS GET TO WATCH A CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAN I THAT IS EXCITING.
BUT, UH, AND I KNOW WE GOT A COUPLE OF, UH, OR WE HAVE ONE, ONE MEMBER WHO IS, UH, KIND OF NEAR AND DEAR TO, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN SAUNDERS HEART.
SO IF YOU WANT TO COME, SHOULD WE TAKE, COME TAKE A PICTURE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GOT GOT THIS ONE.
GOOD LUCK AND AUSTIN, NICE TO MEET A GOOD HANDSHAKE.
MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD INTERJECT ONE SECOND.
THESE YOUNG MEN, EVERY YEAR, AS HE SAID, GO TO THE STATE CAPITOL FOR GOVERNMENT DAY.
THEY SAID IN THE SEATS OF THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND STATE SENATORS, THEY DEMI DEBATE, MOCK LEGISLATIONS.
THEY VOTE ON MOCK LEGISLATIONS.
THE SERGEANT ARMS, THE PAST TWO TIMES, THREE TIMES THAT I KNOW OF THAT I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS HAS ACTUALLY SAID THAT THEY ACT AND CONDUCT THEMSELVES AS THE ACTUAL STATE SENATORS AND STATE REPRESENTATIVES.
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DO A VERY, THEY THEY ACTUALLY DO THE ORGANIZATION PROUD, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT OUT THERE AND LET Y'ALL KNOW ABOUT THESE YOUNG MEN.[5. PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL Members of the public are invited to give comments at this time, lasting not longer than 3 minutes. Comments may be general in nature or may address a specific agenda item.]
UH, NEXT UP PUBLIC COMMENTS.OKAY, SO IN DECEMBER, WE ALL CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FORMATION OF THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS PRESENTED AS AN URGENT ISSUE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
WE ARE NOW IN JULY OF THE NEXT YEAR, UH, SINCE THEN, IT WAS ESTABLISHED THAT THERE WOULD BE FOUR MEMBERS WHO WOULD BE NOMINATED BY THE MAYOR, WHICH HAPPENED AT THE LAST MEETING.
BUT THREE LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE NOMINATED AT THE TIME.
UH, OUR MAYOR SAID TWICE THAT THE, UH, LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS HAD NOT EXPRESSED INTEREST IN SUCH A ROLE, WHICH IS UNTRUE AS WE HAVE, UH, CORRESPONDENCE SHOWING THAT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.
AND INSTEAD, UH, THREE DIFFERENT MEMBERS HAVE, ARE GOING TO BE NOMINATED TODAY.
NOW, THIS IS JUST A MASSIVE DELAY, UH, THAT HAS HAD NO EXPLANATION.
IT'S BEEN PUSHED ON AND ON AND ON.
WE'RE NOW IN JULY, LIKE I SAID, AND THERE IS NO REASON WHY THOSE THREE BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY THREE BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, UH, NOMINATED AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN THE OTHER FOUR WERE.
AND, UH, IF, UH, THE LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS THAT EXPRESSED INTEREST ARE NOT THE SAME ONES BEING NOMINATED TODAY, WHICH BRINGS INTO QUESTION WHY WE EVEN WAITED IN THE FIRST PLACE BY ANY OF THAT HAPPENED.
THIS IS, UH, THERE'S NOT BEEN MUCH COMMUNICATION AT ALL.
THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE TRANSPARENCY AND, UH, IT'S JUST BEEN A VERY SLOW PROCESS THAT WAS NOT EXPLAINED WELL IN ANY WAY.
THE, THE SAME EMAILS SHOWED THAT THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT HOW TO EVEN APPLY IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND THEN ONCE IT'S JUST BEEN A, A PROCESS THAT HAS NOT BEEN PRODUCTIVE IN ANY SORT OF WAY.
MARIKA FULLER EVENING COUNSEL, EVENING LEAGUE CITY CITIZENS.
WHEN YOU WALK INTO THIS ROOM, IF YOU STOP RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND LOOK UP, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A QUOTE.
IT SAYS, MAY THE DECISIONS MADE IN THIS CHAMBER BE BATHED IN INTEGRITY, HONESTY, AND TRUTH.
NOW, THE OXFORD DICTIONARY HAS A DEFINITION OF INTEGRITY AS THE QUALITY OF BEING HONEST AND HAVING STRONG MORAL PRINCIPLES AND MORAL UPRIGHTNESS.
MARYAM WEBSTER SAYS, INTEGRITY IS FIRM ADHERENCE TO A CODE OF ESPECIALLY MORAL OR ARTISTIC VALUES.
IN CORRUPTIBILITY LAST MEETING, WE SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO OUR MAYOR SAYING THINGS THAT WERE OBVIOUSLY EASY TO FACT CHECK, AND WE DID.
SO WE KNOW THAT MORE THAN TWO TEACHERS APPLIED.
WE KNOW THAT, UH, AT LEAST THE CHAIRMAN PUT YOU AS, UM, ONE OF HIS REFERENCES.
WE KNOW THAT YOU AND TODD KINSEY KNOW EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU WERE ON THE COUNCIL TOGETHER.
SO SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THE PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUE.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THERE WAS SEVERAL.
THERE WAS THREE PEOPLE THAT WERE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES FROM THE LIBRARY BOARD THAT WERE INTERESTED.
IT WASN'T CLEAR WHETHER THEY HAD TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION OR NOT.
THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AND NEVER ANSWERED.
SO NOW I'VE COUNTED WHAT, AT LEAST THREE OBFUSCATIONS, HOW MANY MORE OBFUSCATION ARE WE GONNA HAVE? OBVIOUSLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BOARD IS GONNA BE STACKED TONIGHT, AND NO OFFENSE AND NOTHING AGAINST YOU.
BYAM, I KNOW YOU SO I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE GOOD, BUT THE FACT THAT WE WENT OUT AND FOUND A NEW MEMBER FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD AND WE'RE GONNA APPOINT HIM TO THE LIBRARY BOARD AND THEN TO THE COMMITTEE, THAT'S RATHER INTERESTING.
DON'T YOU THINK? BECAUSE THERE WERE ALREADY PEOPLE ON THE LIBRARY BOARD THAT WERE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT MOST OF THOSE WEREN'T AGREEING WITH YOU.
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GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR ABOUT SIX, 10 YEARS.
MY PURPOSE HERE TONIGHT IS TO PROPOSE THAT THE CITY APPOINTED COMMITTEE AND OR HAVE A SPONSORED CONCEPT TO DESIGN A NEW CITY FLAG.
I REALIZED THAT THERE HAD BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONTROVERSY REGARDING CHANGES TO THE CITY SEAL AND THE CITY FLAG, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE USE OF OAK TREES ON SALES IN THE LOGO.
I'M OLOGIST, THAT'S A FANCY NAME FOR A PERSON WHO STUDIES FLAGS.
AND I'M A MEMBER OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST FLAG ORGANIZATION IN THE NORTH AMERICAN VE LOGICAL ASSOCIATION.
MY PROPOSAL IS RELATED SOLELY TO THE FLAG AND NOT TO CITY SEALS AND OR LOGOS.
THE CURRENT CITY FLAG IS A WHITE FLAG WITH AN ALPHA NUMERICAL SYMBOLS ON IT.
IN THE FLAG RULE, WE CALL THIS A BEDSHEET FLAG.
ACCORDING TO NAVA, THERE ARE FIVE PRINCIPLES OF FLAG DESIGN.
USE TWO OR THREE BASIC COLORS AND NO LETTERING OR SEALS.
THE CURRENT FLAG HAS INAPPROPRIATE INDISTINCT IN DISTINCT FLAG COLORIZATION.
IT'S ALL WHITE WITH ALPHA NUMERICAL SYMBOLS ON THE FIELD.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS WAS OVER AROUND, UH, HOME HOMETOWN HEROES THIS MORNING, AND IT'S ALREADY FALLING APART.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE THIS FLAG.
WHEN YOU NOTE THAT THE CITY HAS HAD REALLY GOOD FLAGS IN THE PAST, SPECIFICALLY THIS FLAG, WHICH IS WHILE HAVING A LOGO ON IT, IS A GOOD FLAG.
THE LOGO IS CLEAR AND CONCISE AND SIMPLE.
THE MOST RECENT FLAG IS THE SAILBOAT FLAG.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING, AND IT'S PRIMARILY WORDS BUT LEAST COLORFUL.
IF YOU DESIGN A NEW FLAG, YOU WILL NOT BE ALONE IN THIS.
THERE ARE MANY CITIES WHICH HAVE REDESIGNED A FLAG IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, INCLUDING OUR PEOPLE DOWN IN GALVESTON.
THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF, UH, PROPOSALS, ALL OF WHICH PAST NARO PRINCIPLES.
LEAGUE CITY IS A GROWING VIBRANT CITY WITH HISTORIC ROOTS AND THE PROMISE OF A BRIGHT FUTURE.
OUR CITY AND ITS SERVANT CITIZENS DESERVE A FLAG, WHICH LIKE AN OAK TREE, SYMBOLIZES OUR STRONG TEXAS AND HISTORIC ROOTS, STABILITY, USEFULNESS, AND GROWTH, RATHER THAN AN ALL WHITE FLAG, WHICH ONLY SYMBOLIZES DESPAIR, DEFEAT, AND SURRENDER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.
YOU MIGHT HAVE DRAFTED YOURSELF INTO THIS BY THIS POINT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND TIME THIS WEEK.
SOMEBODY HAS MENTIONED THE FLAG AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO MAYBE IT IS TIME TO LOOK INTO IT, BUT THANK YOU.
THIS YOUR INTERESTING, YOU PRONOUNCE THAT VE THAT WORD AGAIN.
I LIVE AT 1194 RUSTING WIND LANE.
WHAT I'M GOING TO BE PRODUCING AND WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREENS ARE GOING TO BE THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE RECEIVED WHEN WE SUBMITTED A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST.
SO FROM THE TIMELINE, IT GOES ALL THE WAYS BACK TO MARCH 13TH, WHEN THERESA POTTER, WHO IS THE CITY LIBRARIAN, REACHED OUT TO DIANA STAPP, WHO IS THE CITY SECRETARY.
AND SHE ASKED IN THAT EMAIL, SHE WANTED TO KNOW, UM, HOW TO APPLY, HOW WILL MEMBERS BE SELECTED.
AND IN THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT DIANA STAFF RESPONDED BACK AND SAID, THE MAYOR MAY SELECT.
SO THAT WAS THE RESPONSE THAT THERESA RECEIVED.
THEN WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE, WE HAVE ON MARCH 22ND, WHERE THERESA ONCE AGAIN REACHED OUT TO DIANA AND SHE GAVE THREE NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED ON JOINING THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE, BECAUSE IN THE LIBRARY BOARD'S MEETING IN MARCH, THEY WENT AHEAD AND THEY HAD A DISCUSSION.
THEY ASKED WHO WOULD EVEN WANT TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE, STANDARD REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND THREE PEOPLE RAISED THEIR HANDS.
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WE HAVE KIRSTEN, AND WE HAVE MARY TONIGHT.THOSE THREE NAMES ARE NOT THE SAME ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE NOMINATED TO THE LIBRARY BOARD, WHICH IS JUST, THAT'S FINE.
THE INTERESTING FACT IS PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED, SO WEREN'T THOSE ONES BEING NOMINATED.
THEN WE HAVE WHERE WE GO TO MARCH 22ND, WHERE DIANA STAFF DOES RESPOND AND SHE JUST LETS, UM, HER KNOW THAT THE MAYOR NOW HAS THIS INFORMATION.
SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WAS THAT THE MAYOR DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY WHO WAS INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE BOARD.
WELL, NOW WE KNOW THAT THERE ACTUALLY WERE, AND HE ACTUALLY WAS AWARE.
WHEN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE, WE HAVE ON MAY 10TH, WHERE THE MAYOR REACHED OUT TO DIANA STAFF ASKING FOR ALL APP OLD APPLICATIONS OF THE LIBRARY BOARD SO HE COULD VERIFY THEIR EDUCATION AND JOB.
THEN WE HAVE WHERE DIANA SAAB SENDS IT TO NICK LONG AND SHE ATTACHES EVERYBODY'S APPLICATIONS.
THEY GIVE IT AND SHE ASKS IF HE WANTS IT PRINTED.
SO AGAIN, WE SEE THAT THE MAYOR WAS LOOKING INTO WHO THE LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS ARE, WHAT THEIR BACKGROUNDS WERE, WHAT THEIR APPLICATIONS WERE.
WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE WHERE WE HAVE THE DAY OF THE MEETING.
SO THE DAY OF THAT MEETING WHERE THE MAYOR CLAIMED THAT NOBODY WAS INTERESTED, SEAN SAUNDERS ASKED DIANA STA FOR THE NAME OF THE LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THIS COMMUNITY STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE.
SO PEOPLE WERE AWARE, COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE AWARE OF WHAT LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS WANTED TO BE ON THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THEN YOU HAVE ON THE NEXT REPLY, DIANA SENDS IT TO SEAN SAUNDERS AND SHE BCCS ALL OF CITY COUNCIL.
SHE BCCS THE CITY MANAGER, BAUMGARTNER, EVERYBODY IS NOW AWARE OF THOSE THREE NAMES, AND YET IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THEY DIDN'T BRING THAT UP.
THEY SAID NOBODY WAS INTERESTED.
SO EVERYBODY THAT WAS SITTING ON THAT D THAT NIGHT KNEW THE THREE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE LIBRARY BOARD WILLING TO BE ON THAT COMMUNITY STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE.
I LIVE AT 2,800 EAST LEAGUE CITY PARKWAY.
AND WOW, LIKE YOU'VE HEARD OF GETTING RECEIPTS BEFORE, BUT NOBODY'S ACTUALLY HAD 'EM PRINTED OUT AND PULLED UP ON THE, ON THE POWERPOINT.
THAT IS ACTUAL PROOF THAT THE MAYOR IS GOING BACK ON HIS WORD.
HE SAID HE WOULD APPOINT PEOPLE FROM THE LIBRARY BOARD.
LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS WERE INTERESTED AND THEY WEREN'T HIS PEOPLE, SO HE DIDN'T WANNA APPOINT 'EM.
UH, THAT YOUNG MAN, UH, WHO WAS UP THERE IN THE FRONT ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD, I LIKE A REALLY GOOD POINT IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA DISREGARD THE APPLICATIONS.
WHY DID YOU WAIT TO APPOINT HIM? LIKE YOU COULD HAVE ASKED MARK TO APPLY.
OH, BY THE WAY, THIS WASN'T IN HIS THING, BUT HE DID CALL, UH, MAYOR LONG, ACTUALLY CALLED UP MARK, UH, WHAT WAS HIS NAME? LARS.
HE CALLED UP MARK LARS AND ASKED HIM TO APPLY.
AND IF YOU LOOK ON HIS APPLICATION IN THE REFERENCES, HE PUTS NICK LONG PARENTHESES YOU ASK ME TO APPLY.
SO IF HE'S JUST GONNA ASK PEOPLE TO APPLY, WHY EVEN GO THROUGH THE FRAUD OF IT ALL? LIKE YOU COULD HAVE JUST APPOINTED NICK MARK, UH, NICK LARS LAST TIME HE COULD HAVE APPOINTED ALL THE OTHERS LAST TIME HE COULD HAVE EVEN APPOINTED BYRON LAST, LAST TIME.
THIS IS JUST LIKE YOU'RE BREACHING THE TRUST OF THE PUBLIC.
ESSENTIALLY, WE, WE DID NOT ELECT YOU TO GET UP HERE AND LIE TO US.
WELL, PERSONALLY, I DIDN'T ELECT THEM TO DO ANYTHING.
UM, BUT WE DID NOT ELECT YOU TO GET UP HERE AND JUST LIE TO US CUZ THAT'S WHAT IT WAS A LIE.
WE SAW THE EMAILS, YOU'VE SEEN THE EMAILS, YOU'VE GOTTEN THE EMAILS, YOU'VE SEEN THE SUPPLIES.
AND I ACTUALLY DID A P I R REQUEST ASKING FOR HIS RESPONSE TO EMAILS AND THEY CAME UP WITH NOTHING.
SO THERE WERE NO RESPONSES, NO RESPONSES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY INTERESTED INTO, UH, INTO THE GOOD GOVERNANCE OF THIS CITY.
ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THE LIBRARY IS A WELCOMING PLACE FOR ALL.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HE IS CONSTANTLY IGNORED AND LIKE, LIKE HIS FE UH, LIKE HIS EMAILS.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING INCAPABLE.
AND BEFORE I LEAVE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, MA UH, FOR YOU, MAYOR LONG, DO YOU NOT READ YOUR EMAILS? DO YOU NOT CHECK THEM? CUZ PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED, I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
WHERE WAS THE DISCONNECT FROM GETTING THOSE LISTS, GETTING THE APPLICATIONS, AND THEN NOT APPOINTING TO PEOPLE? WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT TIMEFRAME THAT STOPPED YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO APPOINT THESE PEOPLE? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOU'VE LIED TO THE VOTERS ALREADY.
I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THE TRUTH.
JUST TELL US, IF YOU WANNA RUIN THIS CITY, JUST TELL US YOU WANNA RUIN THIS CITY AND WE'LL HANDLE THAT.
DON'T SNEAK AROUND AND TRY TO LIE TO US THAT THIS IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST OR THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY APPLICATIONS OR THAT NOBODY CARES BECAUSE WE ALL CARE.
WE WANT THIS CITY TO BE WELCOMING.
WE WANT THIS CITY TO BE WHAT WE WERE PROMISED WITH THE AMERICAN DREAM.
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BE HAPPY HERE.WE WANNA BE SAFE HERE, AND WE WANNA LIVE OUR LIVES HERE.
TONY CRUTCH, MAYOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS, UH, TONY CRUTCH, 69 EAST FORK.
UM, I AM A RETIRED MEMBER OF THE, UH, UNITED STATES ARMY.
21 YEARS, FIVE MONTHS, 18 DAYS.
UM, THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING, UH, THE YOUNG MAN, WAYNE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE FLAG.
UH, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THE MILITARY, THAT WHITE FLAG THING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE GUYS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, LIBRARY BOARD, YOU GUYS EMAILS, GOTTA GOTTA PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T EVEN SEND EMAILS.
WHY? ALRIGHT, SO YOU GOTTA PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR EMAILS YOU SEND OUT.
ALRIGHT, WELL ACTUALLY, I WAS SITTING AT HOME A WHILE AGO AND I HEARD ABOUT, UH, TIKTOK BEING BANNED, AND I WAS LIKE, MAN, ARE YOU, ARE YOU SERIOUS? YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE FOLLOWING THE STATE'S LEAD.
I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT TO SPEND TIME ON THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR ABBOTT, HE'S ALREADY PASSED THE LAW FOR THE STATE.
YOU GUYS DOESN'T HAVE TO, YOU DON'T, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CO-SIGN WITH HIM.
OKAY? I DON'T CARE ABOUT TIKTOK.
I PUT MY SON'S FOOTBALL CATCHES ON THERE.
GET HIM SOME EXPOSURE, BUT, UM, JUST WANT TO WANNA SAY TO YOU GUYS ARE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG THING.
YOU WORRIED ABOUT CHINA? CHINA HAS 1.5 BILLION WITH A B BILLION PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN LEAGUE CITY WITH ONE THOU 115,000 PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE MAYOR IS DOING ON TIKTOK.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE JAILHOUSE JANITOR IS SNEAKING AROUND DOING ON TIKTOK.
THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO FOLLOW YOU GUYS.
OKAY? AND JUST FOR, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, ALRIGHT? ALSO, YOU WANNA BAN SOMETHING, BAN FACEBOOK.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS ON THE CITY COUNCIL PUT ALL YOUR INFORMATION.
I CAN GO RIGHT NOW ON FACEBOOK.
I CAN GO ON FACEBOOK, FIND OUT EVERYTHING YOU DO, EVERYBODY YOU HANG OUT WITH.
GUESS WHAT ELSE? I CAN GO TO THE GALVESTON COUNTY'S TAX ASSESSOR'S WEBSITE AND GET YOUR ADDRESS.
I CAN GO HANG OUT AT YOUR HOUSE TONIGHT AT 2:00 AM LIKE WE USED TO DO IN IRAQ IN 2007 FOLLOWING AL-QAEDA.
THAT STANDS FOR HOW HIGH VALUE TARGETS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE USED TO DO? TIME'S UP.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU USED TO DO.
OKAY, FROM BAGHDAD TO A SCANIA, IT'S ABOUT 30 MILES STRETCH.
IF WE GOT HIGH, HIGH VALUE TARGET, AL-QAEDA, HIGH VALUE TARGET, WE'D SAY, OKAY, HE WAS IN LAST WEEK.
HE'S IN HIS SCANIA, HE'S BACK IN BAGHDAD.
OKAY? WHAT WE WOULD DO, GET THE SMART AIR FORCE GUYS, CAUSE I WAS THE ARMY.
WE GET THE, WE'D GET THE AIR FORCE GUYS AND REMEMBER THIS 2007, AND GUESS WHAT WE WOULD DO? THE AIR FORCE GUYS WOULD LOCK ON TO THEIR PHONE NUMBERS AND WE WOULD GET IT FROM, GUESS WHAT THE PEOPLE THEY HUNG OUT AROUND ON FACEBOOK, NOT ON FACEBOOK BACK THEN, BUT PROBABLY THE PEOPLE THEY HUNG OUT AROUND.
WE WOULD GET THEIR PHONE NUMBERS AND WE WOULD JUST TRACK THAT PHONE NUMBER.
AND GUESS WHAT? WE WOULD SIT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN OUR HUMVEES FOR 2, 4, 6, 8 HOURS AND WAIT TILL THAT PHONE COMES BY.
AND GUESS WHAT? WE WOULD TRACK THAT PHONE, PULL 'EM OVER JUST LIKE A POLICE STOP.
PUT THE AR FIFTEENS IN THEIR FACE, LOCK 'EM UP, PUT 'EM ON A HELICOPTER, ON A BLACK HAWKS.
SEND 'EM TO BAGHDAD TO HEADQUARTERS.
OKAY? SO DON'T BE SO WRAPPED, WRAPPED UP ABOUT TIKTOK AND THE CHINESE.
OH MY GOD, THEY GOING TO TAKE OUR INFORMATION.
OH MY GOD, THEY GONNA MICROCHIP US.
THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY GOT YOU MICROCHIP.
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THE ASTROS GAME THAT GOT SHOT.YOU KNOW HOW THEY TRACKED THE GUY THAT KILLED HIM? THEY LOCKED HIS PHONE, THEY TRACKED HIS PHONE AND AND COORDINATED HIS PHONE AND IT WAS THERE AT THE TIME THE SHOOTING HAPPENED.
ALRIGHT, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT TIKTOK, WORRY ABOUT FACEBOOK, WORRY ABOUT YOUR CHURCH HAVING FACEBOOK AND WHAT YOU NEED TO BE DOING INSTEAD OF WASTING THIS TIME ON BANNING TIKTOK.
WORRY ABOUT THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM HERE IN LEAGUE CITY.
WORRY ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE POWER GRID HERE IN LEAGUE CITY.
AND MOST OF ALL WORRY ABOUT, UH, OR TRY TO WORK ON GETTING THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP C C I S D PREVENT THE NEXT SCHOOL SHOOTING.
GRANT DIXON, DO I CLICK THIS BUTTON HERE TO, YOU'RE READY TO GO.
UM, THIS IS MY FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING EVER.
AND, UH, I DON'T NEED TO BRING COFFEE TO THIS MEETING.
UM, REAL FUN, UH, LISTENING TO EVERYONE AND SEEING EVERYONE VERY ACTIVE AND THAT'S APPRECIATED.
UM, I, UH, AM WITH CONSTRUCTION LTD.
WE'RE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR GROUP AND WE SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL FOR A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT, UM, UH, THE DALLAS SALMON NEW OPERATIONS, UH, BUILDING.
AND UM, I GUESS I WAS COMING BECAUSE IT WAS A GRADED PROPOSAL.
AND I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT IN, UH, SOME EXPLANATIONS SO EVERYONE'S CAUGHT UP.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, YOUR PRICING WAS WORTH 60%.
UM, YOUR, UM, STAFF RESUMES WAS WORTH 15 AND THEN SIMILAR PROJECT EXPERIENCE AND, UM, REFERENCES WAS WORTH 20.
AND THEN THE SCHEDULE, UH, THAT YOU PRESENTED HOW MANY DAYS YOU CAN COMPLETE IT IN IS WORTH FIVE POINTS.
AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR IS NOT PRIVY TO THE PROPOSALS.
THERE'S A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH AND IT SEEMS TO ME, AS MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THE ARCHITECT WAS THE ONE WHO GRADED IT.
NOW THERE'S SOME SECTIONS OF IT TO CUT TO BRASS TACKS.
HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I HAD A QUAL, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 40 YEARS.
WE'VE SUBMITTED A LOT OF GRADED PROPOSALS AT THIS POINT, AND THIS IS STUCK OUT TO ME A LITTLE BIT, IS OUR PRICE WAS, THERE WAS THREE PROPOSERS, UM, WE WERE THE LOW NUMBER AND THE SECOND PROPOSER IS BEING SUGGESTED BY THE ARCHITECT TO BE AWARDED THE CONTRACT.
THIS IS WHAT I FIND PECULIAR, IS THAT WE WERE 400 GRAND LOWER THAN THE, UM, THAN THE PROPOSED CONTRACTOR, UH, TREVINO GROUP.
AND, UH, SO OUR CONTRACT WAS ABOUT 5.8 MILLION IN CHANGE.
UM, I SAW IN THE MEETING MINUTES THAT THEY'VE BEEN GRANTED, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AUTHORIZATION AND ADDITIONAL, UH, FOUR AND A HALF HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THEN ANOTHER 30,000 BUMPING THEIR BUDGET UP TO 6.69.
SO, UM, HERE'S WHAT MY PROBLEMS ARE REAL QUICK, REAL FAST IS THAT COST IS 60%.
YOU WOULD THINK THAT THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR.
THAT'S FACTORED IN HOW MANY POINTS YOU GET IS BASED OFF OF HOW DISPARATE YOUR COSTS ARE.
SO WE GOT 60 POINTS, THEY GOT 55.92.
OKAY, SO, UM, JUST ABOUT FIVE POINTS A DIFFERENCE THEN WITH THE, UM, SUBJECTIVE AREAS LIKE, UH, STAFF RESUMES.
THEY GOT 15 POINTS WITH THE SUBJECTIVE AREAS SUCH AS, UH, SIMILAR PROJECTS AND QUALIFICATIONS.
THAT'S MY ALARM SAYING I'M OUT OF TIME.
BUT LET ME WRAP THIS UP REAL FAST.
UM, THE LAST SECTION THAT I WOULD SAY IS SUBJECTIVE.
SO THERE ARE, THEY GOT ONE POINT IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY SAY, HERE'S THE SUBJECTIVE QUALIFICATIONS OF THEM, UH, MORE THAN US, ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE APPLES TO APPLES CONTRACTORS.
THEN THE SCHEDULE, WHICH IS ONLY WORTH FIVE POINTS, 5% OF THE TOTAL GRADED PROCESS.
UM, THEY GOT FIVE POINTS BECAUSE THEIR SCHEDULE WAS THE MOST COMPETITIVE OUT OF THE THREE OF US.
THE SECOND PLACE SCHEDULE GOT FOUR POINTS AND WE GOT ONE POINT COMPLETELY ANNIHILATING, 400 GRAND DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US.
AND THEN ALL THE ARCHITECT HAD TO DO WAS GO ONE MORE POINT TO THEM IN A SUBJECTIVE AREA, WHICH IS, I FELT OUT OF THE 10 BUILDINGS THAT THEY PRESENTED THAT THEY'VE DONE, AND THE 10 BUILDINGS THEY PRESENTED THAT THEY'VE DONE, THERES WAS ONE POINT MORE LIKE THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS VERY SUBJECTIVE AND A LOT OF THE TIMES CITY COUNCILS WILL HAVE LIKE EIGHT PEOPLE GRADING IT SO THAT IT'S AN AMALGAMATION OF VIEWS.
BUT WHEN YOU JUST HAVE ONE PERSON DOING IT, IT'S, AND IT'S THE
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ARCHITECT WHO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE WORKED WITH THAT GROUP PREVIOUSLY OR NOT, MORE POWER TO THEM.IF THEY HAVE, THAT'S GOOD EXPERIENCE HAVING YOUR ARCHITECT.
BUT ANYWAYS, THEY COULD HAVE VERY EASILY SAID, WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GIVING A US TWO POINTS ON THE SCHEDULE AS OPPOSED TO ONE, IF THAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED, WE WOULD'VE WON THE PROJECT.
BUT REALLY FISCALLY, THAT'S MY STATEMENT, IS THAT I DON'T FIND IT VERY SOUND TO PAY 400 GRAND MORE FOR THE SAME PRODUCT.
IT'S THE SAME BUILDING AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T GO WITH US, EVEN IF YOU AWARDED IT TO THEM, I JUST DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF PAYING SO MUCH MORE FOR APPLES, APPLES CONTRACTORS AS THE ARCHITECT HAS LABELED US BOTH.
AND IF SCHEDULE WAS A CONCERN FOR IT TO COMPLETELY OUTWEIGH $400,000 IN SAVINGS, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE IT WORTH EQUALLY THE SAME AS COST WERE COST WAS 30% AND SCHEDULE WAS 30%.
AND THEN LASTLY, IN THEIR GRADING SYNOPSIS THAT THEY PRESENTED TO Y'ALL, THEY MADE POINTS ABOUT US THAT THEY VERY EASILY COULD HAVE JUST CHECKED UP WITH US AND GIVEN US AN EMAIL OR A PHONE CALL WHERE THEY SAY IN ALTERNATE ONE, THEIR UNIT PRICING WAS WAY LOWER THAN THE OTHER CONTRACTORS.
THEY PROBABLY WERE MISSING THINGS OR PROVIDING INFERIOR PRODUCTS.
WELL, THAT'S VERY EASY TO VERIFY WHEN YOU HAVE THREE WEEKS BEFORE YOU SUBMIT THIS TO COUNCIL.
YOU JUST SEND US AN EMAIL OR CALL US AND SAY, WHAT MATERIALS WERE YOU PROVIDING? ARE THOSE WHAT WE HAD SPECKED OUT? AND WE WOULD SAY YES.
WE JUST DID NOT INCLUDE OUR FEE IN THAT BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO PRESENT A VERY COMPETITIVE PRIZE THAT WAS JUST FOR THE ALTERNATE, NOT FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT.
WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE PERFORMING IT FOR THAT PRICE.
AND THAT WAS A PART OF IT WAS WE WERE PRESENTING AN AGGRESSIVE PRICE.
BUT IN ANY CASE, I, I JUST, UH, I'LL, I'LL WRAP UP WITH THAT.
UM, AND I JUST WAS HOPING TO ENLIGHTEN Y'ALL ABOUT WHAT I SAW SOME ODDITIES IN THERE, BUT THANK YOU.
SERMON TIME SHOULD JUST BE JUST LIKE PRICE.
IT'S NOT SUBJECT, IT SHOULD JUST BE A MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION.
I LIVE IN TEXAS CITY NOWADAYS.
UM, I ACTUALLY GREW UP IN LEAGUE CITY.
I LIVED HERE UNTIL ABOUT SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN I MOVED TO TEXAS CITY.
UH, THE PROPERTY APPRAISALS JUST GOT TOO HIGH HERE WHEN I WAS READY TO BUY MY FIRST HOUSE.
AND I REMEMBER REALLY CLEARLY BACK IN 2017, THIS WAS RIGHT BEFORE HARVEY, WHEN WE MOVED IN, UH, TO TEXAS CITY, I WAS REALLY BUMMED OUT ABOUT LEAVING LEAGUE CITY THAT I WENT TO SCHOOL IN CLEAR CREEK, CLEAR CREEK ISD AT CLEAR CREEK HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I'D BEEN A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
THE SERMONS HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE THE FIFTIES.
I THINK IT'S FIFTIES OR SIXTIES EITHER WAY, THIS IS MY HOME.
UM, BUT WATCHING LEAGUE CITY COUNCIL LATELY, IT'S BEEN REAL FRUSTRATING.
IT'S BEEN A REALLY BIG FRUSTRATING TRIP.
AND THE FIRST SPEAKER FROM THE TEENAGE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE HELEN HALL LIBRARY REALLY LAID IT OUT WELL, THE FACT THAT WE'RE SEVEN MONTHS LATER AFTER THE FIRST MEETING AT WHICH A COUNCILMAN ABRUPTLY BROUGHT UP A PROPOSAL TO BAN LIBRARY BROOKS, WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN LIMITED, OF COURSE.
UM, BUT SEVEN MONTHS LATER, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A FULLY CONSTITUTED BOARD.
MY CHURCH ASKED ME TO START A COMMITTEE JUST A MONTH AGO, AND WE ALREADY WRAPPED UP OUR BUSINESS THIS LAST SUNDAY.
IT'S INSANE THAT WE CAN'T, WHEN WE HAVE AN IDEA THAT WE WANT TO GET DONE, THAT WE CAN'T JUST GET IT DONE.
UM, WELL, SINCE I'VE BEEN IN TEXAS CITY, I'VE BEEN APPOINTED TO THE TEXAS CITY LIBRARY BOARD AND WE'VE ACTUALLY DEALT WITH THE SAME ISSUE AS LEAGUE CITY AS FAR AS WE WANTED.
AFTER WATCHING WHAT HAPPENED IN LEAGUE CITY, WE WANTED TO PROACTIVELY DEVELOP A COLLECTIONS POLICY IN CASE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, WHERE HEADLINE AFTER HEADLINE COMES IN EVERY COUPLE WEEKS IN THE DAILY NEWS, EVERY MONTH OR SO IN THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE, EVERY COUPLE MONTHS ON THE LOCAL BROADCAST NEWS, WE DECIDED TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
JUNE 9TH, THE LIBRARY STAFF EMAILED THE LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES WITH THEIR PROPOSED NEW COLLECTIONS POLICY, WHICH INCLUDES A RECONSIDERATION POLICY.
UM, WE WERE SENT THAT ON JUNE 9TH TO REVIEW JUNE 26TH.
THE LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEANT, WHICH BY THE WAY, IS A VERY DIVERSE BOARD, UM, OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN VARYING 10 YEARS WITHIN THE CITY, VARYING RACES, VARYING EXPERIENCE IN DIFFERENT PROFESSIONS.
UM, WE MADE SOME MINOR EDITS AND UNANIMOUSLY PASSED THE COLLECTIONS POLICY JULY 5TH, THIS LAST WEDNESDAY, IT GETS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THIS SHOULDN'T TAKE SEVEN MONTHS.
THIS SHOULDN'T TAKE 10 SETS OF AMENDMENTS, WATERING IT DOWN WATER DOWNS.
BUT THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T JUST SAY, OKAY, WE MADE THE COMPROMISE MONTHS AGO.
WHY ARE WE STILL HERE? THERE IS A BETTER WAY.
WE ALREADY KNOW TEXAS CITY KICKS LEAGUE CITY'S BUTT AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I GOTTA CHECK WITH MR. LOVETT ON HOW OUR FLAG COMPARES.
UM, HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE AROUND AFTER THE MEETING.
BUT I REMEMBER I USED TO GET FRUSTRATED WHEN, UH, FORMER MAYOR HOUSE, HE WOULD RAMBLE A LITTLE BIT TOO LONG IN THE MEETINGS.
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THAT SEEMS GOOD RIGHT NOW.I REALLY HOPE LEAGUE CITY LOOKS TEXAS CITY ON THIS.
MY NAME IS PEGGY SAILOR AND I RESIDE AT 1802 RAMPART.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM LAST, UH, COUNCIL MEETING THAT WAS PULLED AND, UM, THIS WAS THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, UH, SUNSET COMMITTEE TO BASICALLY COLLAPSE.
I'LL CALL IT THE TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, BUT I'LL CALL IT A TICK TO SAVE SOME TIME TO COLLAPSE THE TICK WITH A COUPLE OF MEMBERS MOVING TO P AND Z.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT REGISTERED, WHAT, WHAT THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM WAS.
THE NEXT THING THAT I KNEW IS THAT THERE, THERE REALLY WERE, UM, DOCUMENTATION TRAILS THAT SHOWED TO WHERE I THINK WE WERE.
UM, HOWEVER, THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THIS, UH, THE MORE I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I'M THINKING CITY COUNCIL, I CAN REMEMBER MEETINGS, SO MANY MEETINGS WHERE STAFF WAS, UM, ASKED TO PRESENT BETTER DATA TO SUPPORT THE DATA PACKS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOMETIMES STAFF WAS CRITICIZED FOR COMING FORWARD, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL WITH, UH, INCOMPLETE PACKAGE.
SO I THOUGHT, WELL, IT, IT MUST BE THAT CITY COUNCIL IS SETTING THE STANDARD FOR ALL OF US TO OPERATE BY.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING I HEARD, THE AGENDA ITEM WAS PULLED BECAUSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCE WAS NEEDED.
AND, AND MY THOUGHT WAS, OH MY GOODNESS, THIS, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT BASICALLY RECOMMENDED THE COLLAPSE OF A COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS THAT DEALT WITH THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES OUR CITIZENS HAVE TOLD US THEY ARE TRANSPORTATION AND DRAINAGE AND FLOODING.
THAT IS THE BASIS OF WHY WE PASSED THE BOND IN 2019.
I THINK IF YOU ASK MOST OF THE CITIZENS, THEY WILL PROBABLY TELL YOU.
WE WERE TELLING YOU THAT BACK AFTER HARVEY.
WE WERE TELLING YOU THAT IN 2019 AND WE'RE STILL TELLING YOU THAT.
SO, SO, BECAUSE I REALLY WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE WHERE WE ARE BECAUSE I AM VERY DISTURBED BY WHAT I KNOW AND BY WHY, BY WHAT I KNOW IS I HAVE LISTENED TO THE AUDIO SEVERAL TIMES OF THE LAST MEETING OF THE SUNSET REVIEW COMMITTEE.
IT'S ALL THERE AVAILABLE PUBLIC INFORMATION.
I HAVE ALSO, UH, WATCHED SEVERAL TIMES THE ZOOM MEETING OF OUR LAST TICK MEETING, WHICH IS IN JUNE.
WHEN I TAKE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS, I WILL TELL YOU I WANNA DO A CASE STUDY ON WHERE WE ARE AND I WILL DO THAT.
I WILL BE HERE AS MY SCHEDULE ALLOWS AT EVERY MEETING.
I'M GONNA TAKE MY THREE MINUTES AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT REALLY BOTHER ME ABOUT WHERE WE ARE NOW AND ASK THE CITIZENS IS THE PROCESS THAT WAS USED IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
IS THAT WHAT WE REALLY WANNA SEE FROM OUR CITY COUNCIL? SO I WILL SEE YOU NEXT COUNCIL
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
MEETING.ALL RIGHT, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM SIX A THROUGH SIX E.
ANY ITEMS? ANY MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE.
[7A. 23-0305 Hold a public hearing on a request to rezone approximately 2.51 acres from “CO” (Office Commercial) to “CG” (General Commercial), MAP-23-0003 (Shalby), generally located along the north side of West FM 646 and east of Gill Road, with the addresses of 1155 and 1201 West FM 646 (Director of Planning)]
PUBLIC HEARING.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO REQUEST REZONE APPROXIMATELY 5.0, SORRY, 2.51 ACRES FROM CO OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL MAP.
DASH 23 DASH 0 0 0 3 SHALL BE GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST FM 6 46 AND EAST GILL ROAD WITH THE ADDRESS OF 1 1 15, 1 1 55 AND 1201 WEST FM 6 46.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPENS AT 6 39.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THAT? NO.
UH, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION TODAY IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF THE BEACON LAKES GOLF COURSE ON 6 46, THE REQUEST AND A REZONE FROM OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
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EXISTING BUILDING HERE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES THAT WAS BUILT AS AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE.UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE DISTRICT DOES NOT ALLOW MANY USES THAT WOULD TYPICALLY OCCUPY A OFFICE WAREHOUSE TYPE BUILDING.
SO THEIR REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH ZONING PATTERNS ALONG 6 46, UM, AND IT WOULD ALLOW USES TO OPERATE IN THAT BUILDING FOR WHICH THE BUILDING WAS DESIGNED.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL.
HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WHAT WAS THE VOTE AT THE P N Z? IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
I'LL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:40 PM
[7B. 23-0306 Consider and take action on an ordinance rezoning approximately 2.51 acres from “CO” (Office Commercial) to “CG” (General Commercial), MAP-23-0003 (Shalby), generally located along the north side of West FM 646 and east of Gill Road, with the addresses of 1155 and 1201 West FM 646 (Director of Planning) Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval, 6-0-0 with one member absent on June 19, 2023.]
CONSIDERING TAKE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE REZONING APPROXIMATELY 2.51 ACRES FROM CO OFFICE COMMERCIAL TO CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL MAP.DASH 23 DASH 0 0 0 3 SHALL BE GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST FM 6 46 AND EAST GILL ROAD WITH THE ADDRESS OF 1155 AND 1201 WEST FM 6 46 PLANNING MOTION TO APPROVE PLANNING AND ZONING.
RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX ZERO WITH ONE MEMBER ABSENT ON JUNE 19TH, 2023.
DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR MIND AT ALL?
[7C. 23-0307 Hold a public hearing on a request to rezone approximately 8.06 acres from “CG” (General Commercial) to “IL” (Limited Industrial), MAP-23-0004 (E. Olive St.), generally located along the south side of Olive Street, west of Hill Avenue and east of State Highway 3, with the addresses of 210, 220, 310, 320 East Olive Street and 2610 Hill Avenue (Director of Planning)]
SEVEN C.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 8.06 ACRES FROM CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO I L LIMITED INDUSTRIAL MAP.
23 DASH ZERO FOUR EAST OLIVE STREET.
GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF OLIVE STREET, WEST OF HILL AVENUE, AND EAST OF STATE HIGHWAY THREE WITH AN A WITH THE ADDRESSES OF 21 0 22 0 31 0 32 0 EAST OLIVE STREET AND 26 10 HILL AVENUE.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPENS AT 6 42.
SO, UM, THIS REQUEST IS A REQUEST, UH, REZONED FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO A LIMITED INDUSTRIAL.
THESE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED BETWEEN HIGHWAY THREE AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON OLIVE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP ON THE LEFT HERE, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE HODGEPODGE OF ZONING DISTRICTS OVER IN THIS AREA.
UM, TYPICALLY THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED CLOSER TO THE, UM, RAILROAD TRACKS AND COMMERCIAL IS LOCATED ALONG HIGHWAY THREE.
IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE LEAVING A COMMERCIAL TRACT LOCATED ALONG HIGHWAY THREE AND REQUESTING THE REMAINING REAR TRACKS BE ZONED TO INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
CURRENTLY THERE IS A UNFINISHED BUILDING OUT THERE.
AGAIN, UM, THE BUILDING TYPICAL USES THAT WOULD OCCUPY THIS BUILDING WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING IN THE AREA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL AS WELL.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIMITED INDUSTRIAL.
I'M SURE THAT DOESN'T MEAN A SMOKESTACK FACTORY, BUT TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOES ALLOW SOME LIMITED MANUFACTURING, UM, AND THAT'S, UM, DEFINED AS NOT PRODUCING PLASTICS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPUTER TYPE MANUFACTURING, UM, IT ALLOWS FOR CAR REPAIR TYPE USES.
UM, BUT NO, THERE WILL BE NO SMOKESTACK TYPE BUILDINGS HERE.
UM, WAREHOUSES, STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
AND THE ONE USE THAT WAS WANTING TO OCCUPY, THIS IS A WHOLESALE LANDSCAPE BUSINESS.
OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE HEARING AT 6 43.
[7D. 23-0308 Consider and take action on an ordinance rezoning approximately 8.06 acres from “CG” (General Commercial) to “IL” (Limited Industrial), MAP-23-0004 (E. Olive St.), generally located along the south side of Olive Street, west of Hill Avenue and east of State Highway 3, with the addresses of 210, 220, 310, 320 East Olive Street and 2610 Hill Avenue (Director of Planning) Planning and Zoning Commission recommended approval, 6-0-0 with one member absent on June 19, 2023.]
RIGHT, SEVEN D, CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON ORDINANCE REZONING APPROXIMATELY 8.06 ACRES FROM CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO IL LIMITED INDUSTRIAL MAP.DASH 23 DASH 0 0 0 4 EAST OLIVE STREET.
GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF OLIVE STREET, WEST OF HILL AVENUE, AND EAST OF STATE HIGHWAY THREE WITH THE ADDRESSES OF 2 10, 2 2 0 3 1 0 3 2 0 EAST OLIVE STREET, AND 26 10 HILL AVENUE.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SIX ZERO WITH ONE MEMBER ABSENT ON JUNE 19TH, 2023.
SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION, MR. BOWEN.
SO CHRIS, UM, THAT BUILDING THAT'S THERE WAS THAT, IS THAT RECENT CONSTRUCTION? YES, SIR.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED A FEW YEARS AGO.
OR IT, WELL, LEMME TAKE THAT BACK.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED THIS PAST YEAR.
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IT WAS, IT'S BEEN IN PROCESS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.UM, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING, ONE OF THE PARTNERS THAT OWNED THE BUSINESS THAT WAS GONNA OCCUPY THAT BUILDING PASSED AWAY.
AND SO THEY CEASED CONSTRUCTION ON IT.
SO NOW IT'S JUST KIND OF A SHELL SITTING THERE.
OH YEAH, I DROVE BY THE OTHER DAY AND THE PAD LOOKED BRAND NEW, SO I WAS LIKE, YEAH, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED THIS PAST YEAR.
[9A. 23-0317 Consider and take action on appointments to the Library Board (Mayor Long)]
NEW BUSINESS NINE A CONSIDERING TAKE ACTION ON APPOINTMENTS TO LIBRARY BOARD.THE MAYOR'S NOMINEE IS BYRUM LAS POSITION ONE, UNEXPIRED TERM ENDING 12 31 24.
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
OR YOU JUST TELL ME YOUR VOTE.
WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY, BUT YES, GO AHEAD.
MOTION PASSES, UH, 64 2 AGAINST
[9B. 23-0313 Consider and take action on appointments to the Community Standards Review Committee (Mayor Long)]
CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON APPOINTMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE.MAYOR'S NOMINEES ARE MARK, LARS, ROXANNE, LEWIS, BYRON LAS MOVE TO APPROVE.
WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME, TAKE ONE.
YEAH, WE'LL TAKE 'EM ONE AT A TIME AND WE'LL DO MARK FIRST.
MARK LARS, MOVE TO APPROVE IT'S MAN.
UM, SO ON THIS, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, I JUST THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE, UM, NOMINATING HERE FEELS THE SAME EXACT WAY THAT, AND SO WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO JUST VOTE NO ON THIS.
BUT THE, ONE OF THE, THE TWO THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING KIND OF CALLS ABOUT, ONE WAS THE LACK OF, UM, DIVERSITY.
UH, I WAS TELLING PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY DEAL WITH WHAT APPLICATIONS WE HAVE.
AND SO IF THERE WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, AND IN DEFENSE TO, TO YOU, TO YOU, MR. LONG, IF, IF THEY DIDN'T APPLY, THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT, UM, THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT SELECTION AND THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T REOPEN IT UP BECAUSE THERE IS A LACK OF DIVERSITY ONTO THIS.
AND, AND ONE THING, JUST THE, EVEN IF WE WERE JUST GO WITH SOME OF THE AGES, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, SOME OF THE CANDIDATES ON HERE ARE MORE GRANDPARENTS.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE YOUTH THAT WOULD BE THERE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE MOTHER-IN-LAW TELLING THE, UM, TELLING THE MOM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG FOR HER, FOR HER CHILDREN.
BUT ALL IN ALL, I, I'D LIKE YOUR SELECTION.
UM, I THINK THEY'LL DO A GOOD JOB.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THIS, UH, LET'S GIVE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE MORE DIVERSIFICATION ON HERE.
AND, UH, I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S TIME WE FORM THIS COMMITTEE AND GET MOVING.
LET US DO ITS JOB, GOOD, BAD, UGLY, WHICHEVER WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET THIS COMMITTEE FORM TO GET IT MOVING.
UM, I VOTED TO APPROVE THIS COMMITTEE CUZ I HAD MY OWN REASONS, CONTRARY TO OTHER PEOPLE'S WISHES.
I DIDN'T WANT A CHILD TO GET THEIR HANDS ON A BOOK THAT WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS' KNOWLEDGE, UH,
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BOLEY PARTS DRAWN OUT, TALKS OF SELF GRATIFICATION, OTHER STUFF I JUST COULDN'T SEE.I THINK WE HAVE A KIND OF A GOOD BROAD SPECTRUM OF PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
SOME DON'T AGREE WITH ME, SOME DO.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS COMMITTEE I THINK GONNA WORK, IS THAT WILL BRING THEIR OWN OPINIONS TO IT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A BAN CONTRARY TO WHAT EVERYBODY'S CONSTANTLY SAID.
THIS IS NOT A BAN TO BAN A BOOK.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE MILLER TEST.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE MILLER TEST AND IT HAS TO FILL THE MILLER TEST IN ORDER TO BE PHYSICALLY BANNED FROM THE LIBRARY.
WE'RE A PUBLIC LIBRARY, NOT A PRIVATE LIBRARY.
UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND THE ONLY WAY THAT I SAW THIS COMMITTEE GOING IS NOT PULLING IT FROM THE LIBRARY, BUT MOVING IT FROM A CHILDREN'S SECTION WHERE KIDS ARE SOMETIMES BY THEMSELVES LOOKING AT BOOKS TO A BOOKCASE OVER HERE THAT A PARENT CAN SEE THEM GO OVER AND PICK THE BOOK UP.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE PARENT CAN INQUIRE AS TO WHAT THE BOOK IS ABOUT.
THEY CAN LOOK AT IT, THEY CAN SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT.
OR YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE OF THE AGE.
NOW WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
AND I THINK THIS BOOK COULD BE GOOD FOR ME TO TEACH YOU.
IT'S NOT PULLING THE BOOKS OUTTA THE LIBRARY.
WE CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS IT FAILS.
THE MILLER TEST, THE MILLER TEST IS, DOES THE SUPREME COURT TESTING.
YOU CAN AGREE WITH ME OR DISAGREE WITH ME.
THAT'S HOW I SEE THIS COMMITTEE GOING.
I PLAN ON MAKING ALL THESE MEETINGS.
YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT, MR. MAYOR, I PLAN ON ATTENDING EVERY MEETING THAT Y'ALL MEET TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMMITTEE DOES DO WHAT IN MY EYES IT WAS SET OUT TO DO.
AGAIN, THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW ON IT.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY TO THE, THE CITIZENS THAT ARE BEING APPOINTED, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU DOING THAT.
UM, YES, I'M GONNA BE VOTING AGAINST THIS TONIGHT.
UH, IT'S NOT AGAINST YOU INDIVIDUALLY, IT'S AGAINST ANY FURTHERING OF THIS BOARD.
UM, I JUST, AGAIN, I'M GONNA TEND TO DISAGREE WITH MR. SAUNDERS KIT STATEMENT WHERE HE SAID, WE GOTTA PASS IT AND THEN WE'LL FIND OUT IF IT'S GOOD OR BAD.
THAT IS NOT GOVERNANCE IN MY MIND, THAT IS NOT GOVERNING.
AND, UH, I'M GONNA TEND TO AGREE WITH MS. ZELLER, UH, ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SHE'S NOTICED.
THERE'S A LOT THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT'S BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS, AND FRANKLY, IT'S SCARES ME.
UH, WELL, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS WHERE PEOPLE SAID WHAT I SAID LAST TIME.
IT WAS, IT'S A LITTLE FUNNY, IT KIND OF REMINDED ME OF A, OF AN OFFICE EPISODE, UH, WHERE MICHAEL SCOTT JUST WALKED OUTSIDE AND STARTED SCREAMING BANKRUPTCY IN ORDER TO DECLARE BANKRUPTCY.
SO JUST LIKE MICHAEL SCOTT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T GET TO NOW GO TO THE IRS AND CLAIM THAT HE FILED OR THAT HE DECLARED BANKRUPTCY.
MUCH LIKE JUST SENDING AN EMAIL SAYING YOU WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU EXPRESSED INTENT TO BE ON THE BOARD.
THERE IS ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE THAT YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION.
SO IF YOU DON'T FILL OUT THE APPLICATION, YOU CAN'T BE CONSIDERED, I CANNOT APPOINT YOU WITHOUT FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION.
AND AS, I MEAN, YOU JUST CAN'T.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE RULE LAW.
SO IN THE LAST MEETING, LIKE I SAID, NOT A SINGLE LIBRARY BOARD MEMBER HAD FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION.
I THEN CALLED SEVERAL LIBRARY BOARD MEMBERS, ASKED THEM, HEY, WOULD YOU CONSIDER BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE BECAUSE I THINK YOU'D BE GREAT AT IT.
AND THEY, THEY SAID YES, THEY'D LOVE TO.
SOME OF THEM WERE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE.
SOME OF THEM HAD BEEN TOLD THAT THEY HAD TO BE A TEACHER, THEY HAD TO BE A PSYCHOLOGIST, UH, WHEN IN FACT, PER THE ORDINANCE, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE IF YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE LIBRARY BOARD.
AND SO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE, UH, THAT ARE RIGHT HERE, ALL AGREED TO DO IT AND FILLED OUT THE APPLICATIONS AND SUBMITTED THEM.
AND IN TERMS OF STACKING THIS WITH MY FRIENDS OR WITH PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH ME, I BELIEVE SEVERAL OF THESE PEOPLE OPENLY DISAGREED WITH ME AND DISAGREED WITH THE COMMITTEE, INCLUDING BYRUM, INCLUDING ROXANNE, UH, WHO CALLED AND LITERALLY TOLD ME THAT.
AND IT'S NOT ABOUT TRYING TO FIND PEOPLE THAT AGREED WITH ME.
IT WAS ABOUT TRYING TO FIND PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE FAIR AND WOULD DO THEIR HOMEWORK AND WOULD SPEND THE TIME AND HADN'T ALREADY BEEN COMPLETELY SOLD ON ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND THAT'S WHY I SELECTED ALL THESE PEOPLE FROM THE FIRST SIDE AND THE, AND THE SECOND SIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I SELECTED TODD, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS WAS A COMMITTEE THAT REQUIRED SOMEBODY THAT HAD, UH, A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNANCE.
AND CLEARLY I HAD SERVED WITH TODD FOR YEARS AND
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YEARS, AND HE HAD BEEN THE LIAISON BOARD TO THE LIBRARY FOR FIVE PLUS YEARS.THAT'S WHY I SELECTED TITSWORTH TEACHER, CERTAINLY DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME.
STOOD UP THERE ON THE D AND SAID, SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I SELECTED BYRON.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING I TOLD HIM WHEN WE TALK, IS THAT I'M NOT HERE FOR YOU TO AGREE WITH ME.
IN FACT, I KNEW FOR A FACT HE DID NOT AGREE WITH ME, BUT HE WAS WILLING TO LISTEN AND HE WAS GOING TO EVALUATE EACH ONE ON ITS MERITS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE TO DO.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WHEN I FIND THIS JUST SO SILLY THAT OUT OF ONE SIDE WE SAY THAT WE NEED TO RUSH IT, RUSH IT, RUSH IT, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE SAYS, NO, WE NEED TO SLOW IT DOWN.
WELL, YEAH, WE SPENT SEVEN MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT IT RIGHT.
WE CONDUCTED A LONG PERIOD IN WHICH PEOPLE COULD APPLY, AND THEN WE EVALUATED THESE THINGS.
WE DID NOT RUSH IT THROUGH AND TRIED TO BAN BOOKS IMMEDIATELY.
WE SPENT TIME TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND GRANTED, I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU THIS WAS A MESSY PROCESS AND PROBABLY HANDLED COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT AT LEAST WE DID NOT RUSH IT THROUGH.
SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT THIS.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL, UH, TOM, ARE YOU BACK ON OR ARE YOU STILL STUCK ON? NO, I FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO RESPOND.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO BACK TO WHAT, TO WHAT SEAN HAD SAID.
AND WHILE I, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND YOU KNOW, SEAN, WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED, ONE OF THE BOOKS I HAD SENT OVER, UH, AN OPTION TO, TO READ IT AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN OPEN TO TO, TO READING THE BOOK.
SO I'M GLAD THAT, THAT YOU'RE NOT ON THIS.
AND IT MAKES ME NERVOUS THAT WHEN SOMETHING DOES COME TO HEAR, BUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT MOVING A BOOK DOESN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT, UM, ONE OF THE BOOKS THAT CAN BE FOUND AT THE LIBRARY IS JUST BY HEINZ CHRISTIAN ANDERSON.
IT'S KIND OF, IF WE FOLLOW THE UGLY DUCKLING MENTALITY OF YOU'VE GOT A, UM, YOU'VE GOT A CREATURE, A PER, IN THIS CASE IT COULD BE A PERSON, BUT IT'S A DUCK IN THE STORY WHO DOES NOT, WHO BEGINS TO THINK THAT SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH IT, IT'S BEING MADE FUN OF, IT'S HAS PROBLEMS, BUT IT IS ONLY WHEN IT'S ABLE TO SEE WHAT IT REALLY CAN BECOME AND TO SEE THAT IT'S NOT ALONE.
WHEN IT'S ABLE TO SEE THAT IT'S GOING TO BLOSSOM INTO THIS BEAUTIFUL SWAN BY DOING THIS, BY MOVING THINGS TO WHERE THE, THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT CAN'T SEE IT AND THEY CAN'T COME TO THEIR FULL FRUITION.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT KIND OF COMES ACROSS.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S, I, I HONESTLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S YOUR INTENTION.
NO, BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE, UH, WITH MOVING THE BOOKS.
AGAIN, I'M NOT TALKING, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I DON'T WANT ANY CHILD TO FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY, I CAN HEAR YOU.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
MY CONCERN HERE IS, IS THAT WE'VE HAD BOOKS, WE'VE SEEN THEM, I HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE FACT THAT A CHILD COULD BE OVER THERE AND POTENTIALLY GET THE BOOK.
AGAIN, I'M NOT MOVING THEM OUT OF THE CHILDREN'S SECTION.
I'M LITERALLY MOVING THEM FROM ME TO YOU IN DISTANCE IN THE CHILDREN'S SECTION.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M TALKING ABOUT.
DOING THEM, MOVING THEM FROM THIS SET OF BOOKCASES HERE TO THAT BOOKCASE THERE SO THAT A PARENT CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE GOING OVER TO A DIFFERENT BOOKCASE, PULLING A BOOK OFF AND PAR.
SO MAYBE A LIGHT POPS UP SAYING MAYBE I NEED TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE GETTING OVER THERE.
CUZ THAT'S THE SPECIAL SECTION OVER THERE.
THEY GO OVER THERE, LOOK AT THE BOOK AND IT'S GOT ME ANATOMY DRAWN IN IT, OR IT TALKS ABOUT ACTS OF SELF GRATIFICATION.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, YOU'RE SIX.
THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN COMES IN.
THAT'S WHEN I SAID I, WHEN I VOTED FOR THIS, I SAID, I WANT IT DONE RIGHT AND I DO WANT IT DONE RIGHT.
DID I WANNA READ THE BOOK? NO.
I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I JUST, IT WAS AT THE POINT IN MY MIND I DON'T WANNA GET INTO READING THE BOOK.
I DON'T, UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO READ ON MY SCHEDULE.
I WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO DO SO.
BUT ALL I'M LOOKING TO DO IS MAKE IT TO WHERE A BOOK CANNOT BE PICKED UP BY A CHILD UNDER THE AGE OF 10 WITHOUT A PARENT KNOWING ABOUT IT AND DEEMING WHETHER OR NOT THAT CHILD UNDER THE AGE OF 10 SHOULD BE READING THAT BOOK BY THEMSELVES.
NOT THAT THEY CAN'T GET IT AND GO HOME WITH MOM AND DAD AND MOM AND DAD.
EXPLAIN WHAT THAT BOOK REALLY MEANS AND HOW THAT BOOK CAN HELP THAT CHILD GROW.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING NOW? PERFECT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE VOTING ON, UH, MARK LARS FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THE NEXT AFTER THAT,
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MOTION PASSES SIX FOUR TO AGAINST.NOW ROXANNE LEWIS MOVED TO APPROVE.
THERE'S MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ROXANNE LEWIS.
PLEASE ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE VOTE.
UH, BYRON LAS VOTE TO APPROVE.
ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
[9C. 23-0300 Consider and take action on a resolution approving the reappointment of members to the Board of Directors of Westwood Management District (Mayor Long)]
ALL RIGHT.CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MEMBER TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF WESTWOOD MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NOMINEES FOR REAPPOINTMENT ARE NORMA RAMOS, UH, RAMOS SCOTT SHORT.
TED O'ROURKE, I ASSUME WE CAN TAKE THESE ALL AT ONCE UNLESS THE WESTWOOD MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS MOTION APPROVAL.
IS THAT A YES, SEAN, CAN YOU GET A VERBAL YET OR YOU GOT, OKAY.
[9D. 23-0302 Consider and take action on a resolution adopted pursuant to Texas S.B. No. 1893, implementing a policy prohibiting the use of any TikTok or any other application governed by Chapter 620 of the Texas Government Code on City devices or for official City-related activities (Council Member Cones and Council Member Hicks)]
CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION ADOPTED PURSUANT TO TEXAS SB NUMBER 1893, IMPLEMENTING A PROMISE POLICY PROHIBITING THE USE OF ANY TIKTOK OR ANY OTHER APPLICATION GOVERNED BY CHAPTER SIX 20 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE ON CITY DEVICES OR FOR A CITY OFFICIAL CITY RELATED ACTIVITIES.I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND STEVE COMBS.
UH, CONTRARY TO THE VERY CHARISMATIC SPEECH THAT THE GENTLEMAN OUT THERE, I APPRECIATED THAT THAT WAS ENTERTAINING.
UM, SO HOUSE BILL 1863, ACTUALLY, THIS IS NOT A CITYWIDE BAN AND YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, FOR PRIVATE USE OR WHATEVER.
BUT 1863 WAS PASSED DOWN BY THE STATE.
AND IT READS TO ME, AND I BELIEVE THE ATTORNEYS THAT IT IS, UM, IT IS NO LONGER ALLOWED FOR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES TO USE THIS FOR THEIR OWN PROMOTION OR ON THEIR DEVICES.
AND THAT IS THE REASON THAT WE PUT THIS UP HERE.
MR. BOWEN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL FIND A STRONGER SUPPORTER OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
WE ARE NOT, UH, WE ARE JUST RECOGNIZING IT WITH A RESOLUTION.
UM, AGAIN, I I AGREE WITH THE ARMY GENTLEMAN.
UM, BUT UH, YEAH, IT'S, WE JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS FOR THE STATE.
SO WE RECOGNIZE THE STATE LAW.
WE'RE NOT MAKING THE ACTUAL, UH, UM, A MOVEMENT OURSELVES.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THIS FAR.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, UH, NOT HAVE TIKTOK ON ANY CITY DEVICES, WHAT WHATSOEVER.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, AGENCIES LIKE OUR LIBRARY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND SARAH OSBORNE'S GROUP AS WELL, UH, USE TIKTOK TO REACH OUT TO CITIZENS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IF WE'RE USING, IF WE USE A NON-CITY DEVICE, UH, TO ADVERTISE THINGS LIKE THE LIBRARY, UM, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LIBRARY HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, GIVEN AWARD FOR THEIR TIKTOK VIDEOS.
SO I THINK THAT WHILE THIS I UNDERSTAND THE STATE'S NEEDS, I THINK THAT OURS GOES BEYOND THAT AND IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARY.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT WE'D WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH OUTREACH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO THE CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AGE GROUP, TO WHERE WE WANT TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE LIBRARY AND TO KNOW THE CITY FUNCTIONS.
AND THAT 18 TO 28, UH, AGE GROUP, TIKTOK, IS SOMETHING THAT THEY USE SUBSTANTIAL.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US RECONSIDER THIS.
UM, I WANTED TO SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT ELSE IS SAID, BUT I'LL PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION TO, TO CHANGE THE WORDING ON THIS.
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MS. RESSLER.I, I ACTUALLY QUEUED UP TO SPEAK, TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND, TO STRIP OUT THE, UM, LIMITS ON THE USE OF TIKTOK FOR CITY RELATED ACTIVITIES.
UM, LEAVING IT ONLY THE BAN OF TIKTOK ON, UH, CITY OWNED DEVICES.
UM, THE ENTIRE THREAT FROM TIKTOK IS ON THE ACCESS TO OTHER DATA ON THE DEVICE.
UM, THE BACKDOOR ACCESS THAT TIKTOK ENABLES, UM, USING TIKTOK ON YOUR PERSONAL DEVICE DOESN'T GIVE BACKDOOR ACCESS TO OTHER CITY INFORMATION, UM, AND IS A, THE MOST POPULAR, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
UM, COMMUNICATION TOOL USED BY A LARGE SWATH OF OUR POPULATION.
UM, SO MY MOTION IS TO REMOVE THE LIMITATIONS ON USE OF TIKTOK FOR OFFICIAL CITY RELATED ACTIVITIES AND LEAVE IN PLACE THE, UM, PROHIBITION OF TIKTOK BEING INSTALLED ON CITY-OWNED DEVICES.
WHICH LINE ARE YOU EDITING? OH, CAN ASK THAT ONE NOW.
IT'S, IT'S THAT LAST, OR FOR OFFICIAL CITY RELAY ACTIVITIES, JUST THOSE WORDS.
UH, AND MR. DO, I WAS HOPING COULD GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE OF IT AND, AND FIND THE SPECIFIC REFERENCE THERE.
UM, OR I CAN GO TO THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION RIGHT NOW AND DO THIS ON THE FLAW.
WHY NOT? YOU, UH, PROBABLY SHOULD PREPARE THAT, BUT WE'LL GO TO MR. SAUNDERS AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
UH, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU, COUNCILMAN RESLER, IT'S STILL ALLOWING THE LIBRARY AND THE CITY FUNCTIONS TO USE IT, LIKE THE PUBLIC INFORMATION, ET CETERA, JUST CANNOT BE INSTALLED ON CITY DEVICES.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ON THAT IS, HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE ON THOSE OF US IN THE CITY THAT HAS ONE PHONE, BUT BOTH NUMBERS? HOW WOULD YOU SOMEONE ELSE USES IT.
WE, WE HAVE NO ROLES WHERE IT'S A SINGLE PERSON AND THE, THE SENTENCE IN THE RESOLUTION I WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE AS ONE THAT READS, THE CITY SHALL ALSO ADOPT A POLICY PROHIBITING THE EMPLOYEE USE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS FOR CITY RELATED BUSINESS.
I'LL SECOND COUNCILOR TRESSLER AMENDMENT.
UM, THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION, KINDA LOOKING AT THE STATE LAW ON ANOTHER COMPUTER, IS IT STILL IDENTIFYING CITY EMPLOYEES USING FOR CITY BUSINESS? IS THAT LANGUAGE IN THE, THE LAW? CAUSE IF IT IS, THEN I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
CAUSE IT'S A CITY RELATED BUSINESS.
WHAT, WHAT LINE ITEM IS THAT IN THE, THE CENTER? WELL, BILL, THAT'S, UH, IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT I'M JUST, UM, CONCERNED.
IS IT IN THE LAW ITSELF? IT'S NOT, I, I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ADDRESS THAT.
I I'M NOT SEEING IT IN THE LAW.
IS, IS WHY I'M ASKING WHERE YOU SEE IT IN THERE? HE SAID HE DIDN'T SEE IT.
I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP, COUNSEL.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT HERE.
IT SAYS THE COVERED APPLICATION MEANS THE SOCIAL MEDIA SERVICE, TIKTOK OR SUCCESSOR APPLICATIONS, AND THEN IT GOES OUT AND LISTS MUNICIPALITY AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T USE IT.
IT DOES ACCEPT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE IN SECTION SIX 20.003 IN THAT SENATE BILL.
AND WHAT IT STATES IS THAT A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY SHALL ADOPT A POLICY PROHIBITING THE INSTALLATION OF USE OF A COVERED APPLICATION ON ANY DEVICE OWNED OR LEASED BY THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY AND REQUIRING THE REMOVAL OF COVERED DEVICE COVERED APPLICATIONS FROM THOSE DEVICES.
UH, I LOOK AT THIS KIND OF LIKE BACK IN THE EARLY DAYS OF FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT'S JUST A VIDEO SHARING PLATFORM.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THE WEAKNESSES AS FAR AS ON THE DATA SIDE OF IT, UM, I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T ALLOW THEM TO, IF THEY'RE CONTACTING CITIZENS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS, THROUGH INSTAGRAM, THROUGH YOUTUBE, THROUGH FACEBOOK, THROUGH ALL THESE OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, AND THEY'RE NOT PUTTING THIS
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APPLICATION ON THE CITY COMPUTER, EXPOSING IT TO POTENTIAL WEAKNESS, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? SO I AGREE.IF THEY WANNA OPERATE IT ON A PERSONAL DEVICE, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
THE ONLY THING I SEE, JUST READING THIS AND I'M NO COMPUTER EXPERT, IS THAT IT SAYS THE POLICY ALLOWING INSTALLATION USE TO THE COVERED APPLICATION UNDER SECTION A WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, MEASURES TO MITIGATE RISKS.
AND SO I CAN ASSUME THAT IF YOU'RE USING IT ON A NETWORK, THERE COULD BE RISKS THERE.
SO I'M SURE WE HAVE SOME LEVEL OF MITIGATION OF THOSE RISKS.
SO WE BETTER UNDER SECTION TWO OF THAT DOCUMENT, THOSE MEASURES.
SO THIS WOULD STILL REQUIRE, OR STILL SHOULD REQUIRE US TO DOCUMENT THOSE MEASURES, HOWEVER WE DOCUMENT THEM.
BEING A FORMER COMPUTER EXPERT, UM, WE CAN BLOCK THIS APPLICATION ON OUR SERVERS.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT WOULD ALMOST BE REQUIRED BASED ON THIS LAW.
I WOULD THINK SO, BECAUSE IT WOULD, THAT WOULD TRAFFIC FURTHER THE TRAFFIC.
SO, AND I WOULD THINK THAT THIS ORDINANCE, YEAH, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU ACTUALLY TELL US INSTEAD, I'D JUST SIT UP HERE AND GUESS I DIDN'T HEAR YOU CALL MY NAME
IT IS ALREADY BLOCKED ON THE FIREWALL.
IT IS ALREADY BLOCKED WITH OUR WEBSITE, WEBSITE CONTENT FILTERING.
SO IF YOU TRY NOW AND YOU'RE ON OUR WIFI, YOU'RE GONNA GET BLOCKED.
REMOVING THAT ONE SENTENCE THAT WAS MENTIONED.
NO, THAT'S MOVING TO, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
5 43 AGAINST THAT IS AS AMENDED.
AND NOW WE'LL VOTE AS AMENDED.
REMOVING THAT ONE SIDE OF IT, PLEASE VOTE.
[9E. 23-0318 Consider and take action to excuse absences (City Secretary)]
CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION TO EXCUSED ABSENCES.CHAD TRUSLER, ABSENT FROM JULY 24TH, JULY 25TH, UH, WORK SESSION IN REGULAR MEETING.
MOTION TO ADMIT, DENY, I MEAN, APPROVE
YEAH, I, UH, SOMEBODY, UH, POINTED OUT THAT MY VACATION OVERLAPPED WITH A BUNCH OF MEETINGS AT ONCE.
UM, I ACTUALLY PICKED DATES TO TRY TO MISS THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, BUT THEY SHIFTED A LITTLE FROM LAST YEAR, OR I FAILED AT READING THE CALENDAR.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH I DO INTEND TO CALL IN, UM, BUT I WILL BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE SPEED OF MY INTERNET CONNECTION YET.
SO THANKS FOR HAVING THIS ON THE AGENDA.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING AND ARE YOU BRINGING BACK ANYTHING OR PICTURES OR SLIDES? WHAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON MY VOTE HERE?
UM, I'M GOING TO LONDON AND SPAIN.
WE'LL REMEMBER THAT WHILE WE'RE SITTING THERE IN THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS.
PLEASE VOTE IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER.
IT DOES ACTUALLY MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.
[9F. 23-0301 Consider and take action setting the date for the public hearing of the FY2024 Proposed Budget for August 22, 2023 and an additional public hearing for August 8, 2023 (Assistant City Manager - CFO) Staff recommends approval.]
CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION.UH, SETTING THE DATE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OF FY 2024, PROPOSED BUDGET FOR AUGUST 22ND, 2023, AND AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST 8TH, 2023.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, MOVE TO APPROVE.
[9G. 23-0293 Consider and take action on a resolution determining that land is needed for the construction and improvements associated with the Phase 2 Reconstruction of Turner St and Butler Rd Project (RE1902A) in the City of League City, Texas, specifically: 1) a 0.0927 acre (4,036 square feet) parcel of land believed to be owned by Mark Brittnacher, 2) a 0.0820 acre (3,574 square feet) parcel of land believed to be owned by Nancy A. Robinson, 3) a 0.0578 acre (2,517 square feet) parcel of land believed to be owned by Brent G. Langlinais, 4) 0.0576 acre (2,510 square feet) parcel of land believed to be owned by Heather Suzanne Spencer and Donald Wayne Spencer and 5) a 0.2805 acre (12,220 square feet) parcel of land believed to be owned by Albertina Ott; and authorizing the institution of eminent domain proceedings (Executive Director of Capital Projects)]
UH, CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON OUR RESOLUTION.DETERMINING THAT LAND IS NEEDED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH PHASE TWO RECONSTRUCTION OF TURNER STREET AND BUTLER ROAD PROJECTS.
R E 1,902 A IN THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY, TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY, ONE A 0.0927 ACRE 4,036 SQUARE FEET.
PARCEL OF LAND BELIEVED TO BE OWNED BY MARK BRITT KNOCKER TO A 0.0820 ACRE, 3,574 SQUARE FEET.
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PARCEL OF LAND BELIEVED TO BE OWNED BY NANCY A. ROBINSON.THREE A 0.0578 ACRE, 2,517 SQUARE FEET.
PARCEL OF LAND BELIEVED TO BE OWNED BY BRENT LGO FOR A 0.0576 ACRE, 2,510 SQUARE FEET.
PARCEL OF LAND BELIEVED TO BE OWNED BY HEATHER, SUZANNE SPENCER AND DONALD WAYNE SPENCER.
FIVE A 0.2805 ACRE, 12,220 SQUARE FEET.
PARCEL OF LAND BELIEVED TO BE OWNED BY ALBERTINA OTT AND AUTHORIZING THE INSTITUTION OF EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS.
I MOVE THAT THE CITY OF LEAGUE STATE, TEXAS AUTHORIZED THE USE OF ITS EMINENT DOMAIN AUTHORITY TO CONDEMN THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED IN THE ATTACHED AGENDA.
ITEM NINE G FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF THE PHASE TWO RECONSTRUCTION OF TURNER STREET AND BUTLER ROAD, PROJECT R E 1 920 A SECOND.
JUSTIN, MR. HICKS? UH, YEAH, I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT ABOUT THIS EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
I'M, I'M NOT VOTING NO AGAINST THE PROJECT.
I'M GONNA BE VOTING NO TONIGHT BECAUSE, UH, EMINENT DOMAIN IS ON HERE.
CAN, CAN WE GET A DESCRIPTION OF WHY THERE'S PROPERTIES THAT ARE LEFT OUT? DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THOSE PROPERTIES? AT THIS POINT? WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED NEGOTIATING AND SOME OF 'EM ALREADY CLOSED.
AND THIS IS A, A PROJECT THAT'S STILL FROM THE 2019 BOND INITIATIVE? OR IS THIS JUST ONE THAT WAS APPROVED IN 19? UH, I WASN'T HERE IN 2019, SO MAYBE, HEY, JOHN CAN ANSWER THAT CITY MANAGER.
IT, IT IS NOT PART OF THE 2019 GEO BOND.
SO, BUT IT WAS APPROVED IN 19 RE 1902.
WOULDN'T THAT BE A 19 PROJECT? IT WAS, IT WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE CIP CIP.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S A REINVESTMENT.
SO THERE'S A SERIES OF PROJECTS.
THERE'S A SERIES OF ROAD PROJECTS THAT WERE LISTED ORIGINALLY IN THE REHAB PROJECT AND THE SECTION DOWN HERE AT THE WOODS AT THE LOWER PART BEFORE WE GET INTO URBAN.
THAT'S NOT EVEN A ROAD RIGHT NOW.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS NOT A ROAD.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT PARCEL'S INCLUDED EITHER IS IT IS, THERE'S NO ROAD OVER THERE.
WE NEED IT FOR DRAINAGE PURPOSES.
YEAH, I DROVE THAT LAST AND YESTERDAY AND LOOKED KIND OF WEIRD, BUT THANK YOU MR. COUNTS.
UM, I GUESS FOR RON, REAL QUICK, UH, AGAIN, I, IS THERE A REASON THAT WE'RE GOING OUT FOR IMMINENT DOMAIN SO SOON, OR HAVE WE TRIED ALL OF OUR, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS? NO, BY NO MEANS WE HAVE, WE HAVE SENT THE FIRST OFFERS, THE FINAL OFFER HAVE BEEN SENT.
WE ARE CONTINUING TO NEGOTIATE.
UM, THREE OF 'EM IS ESSENTIALLY RELATED TO FUNDS OR MONEY.
UH, TWO OF 'EM HAVE TITLE ISSUES.
SO WE ARE JUST COMING TO YOU TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX IF THE SITUATION REQUIRES IT, THAT WE WILL USE THE EMINENT DOMAIN, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE OUR LAST, LAST RESORT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M FEARFUL OF ALSO.
IT'S WILL YOU NOT BRING IT BACK TO EXECUTIVE BOARD OR EXECUTIVE SESSION? I GUESS WHEN, UM, YOU DO THE FINAL APPRAISAL AND FINAL NEGOTIATION WITH THE CITIZENS, WILL YOU NOT BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL FOR ENT DOMAIN? WE WILL.
SO WHY, WHY ARE WE PUTTING ENT DOMAIN IN THE PROCESS? WE HAVE THAT CONDITION WE HAVE TO GET BEFORE YOU TO GET OUR PUBLIC NECESSARY APPROVED BEFORE WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP.
WHICH YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH THE ACQUISITION OF THE LAND.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU APPROVAL NOW FOR, IN THAT DOMAIN, IF YOU HAVE, LET'S JUST SAY ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S, UM, WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH, YOU'RE GONNA BRING THAT BACK TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND YOU'RE GOING TO ASK US FOR IN DOMAIN AT THAT TIME IN THIS, IN THIS PACKAGE HERE, WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT WE'RE GETTING PRODUCT IN THAT DOMAIN APPROVAL FOR ANY PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT THERE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM, ITEM IS TO,
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UM, ESTABLISH PUBLIC NECESSITY FOR THE PROJECT, FOR THE ACQUISITION.IF IT IS APPROVED AS A PUBLIC NECESSITY, THEN I CAN USE THE POWER OF IMMINENT DOMAIN FOR THE ACQUISITION.
BUT THE PROCESS, YOU'RE STILL GONNA COME BACK TO US AND ASK THIS FOR IMMINENT DOMAIN.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, WHY ARE WE APPROVED? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT GIVE YOU THE, THE POWER NOW TO GO OUT AND DO THE NEGOTIATION AND THE, AND UH, THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY AND SO FORTH.
BUT WE'RE TELLING YOU NOW THAT IT'S OKAY TO ENT DOMAIN OF THE PROPERTY OUT THERE THAT YOU SEE FIT, YET YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK TO COUNSEL AND ASK US FOR APPROVAL ONCE IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT NEGOTIATION WITH ONE OF THE PROPERTY MEMBERS OUT THERE.
AND, AND I GUESS THE OTHER, THE OTHER SECTION WOULD, UH, WOULD BE THAT, UH, WE ASKED THE QUESTION, LOOKING AT THAT ROADWAY, WHY ARE WE TAKING PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY WHEN WE HAVE A DITCH? AND IT APPEARS TO ME QUITE A BIT TO THE RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVER BEEN ANSWERED.
THE, THE PART THAT IS THERE IS NO ROAD YES.
WHERE THERE'S A DITCH AND, UM, THERE'S A DITCH AND THERE'S A SIDEWALK, BUT YOU HAVE SEVERAL, UH, FEET ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHY WE'RE TAKING THE PROPERTY OF THE OWNERS TO MEET THAT DEMAND.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY OUT THERE ALREADY.
WE HAVE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ALONG BUTLER.
WE NEED EXTRA 10 FOOT ON THE EAST SIDE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT ALL 60 FOOT AND 60 FOOT IS ALREADY PRETTY TIGHT.
BUT THAT'S, UH, MINIMUM WE CAN TAKE IS, IS 10 FOOT TO MAKE IT 60 FOOT.
SO WE CAN PUT THE ROADWAY AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE, UH, NEW WATER LINE IN THERE.
SO, SO WE'RE GOING UP TO THE SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THEN.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL BE VOTING NO FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THE IMMINENT DOMAIN, I'M JUST, UH, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT UNTIL IT'S TIME TO EMINENT DOMAINS SOME PROPERTY.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT OUT OF THE, THE PROCESS UNTIL WE HAVE TO MAKE ACTION ON THAT.
I, I BASICALLY FEEL THE SAME WAY.
UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM DECLARING THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, UNNECESSARY PROJECT OR DECLARING THE NEED FOR IT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH IT IS THE LAST LINE AUTHORIZING THE INSTITUTION OF AMENDMENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE GO THROUGH EV YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY EXHAUST NEGOTIATIONS, THEN BRING IT BACK.
AND IF THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OF DOING IT, THEN WE CAN HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
BUT AT THIS TIME, I'M, I'M A, I'M A NO ON IT.
MAYOR, COULD WE MAKE A MOTION? JUST WOULD BE, I'M SORRY, I YIELD MY TIME TO MR. TRESSLER.
I I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION FROM THE ATTORNEY WHERE THE, THE ACTUAL MOTION WAS TO USE EMINENT DOMAIN AUTHORITY TO CONDEMN THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT'S DECLARING THE PUBLIC NEED.
THIS ITEM IS TO DECLARE THAT PUBLIC NECESSITY, WHICH IS KIND OF STEP ONE, BUT THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS USING EMINENT DOMAIN AUTHORITY.
THAT'S WHAT GIVES US THE POWER TO DECLARE THE NEED.
WE, WE HAVE TO DECLARE THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC NECESSITY FOR, FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO GO IN AND ACTUALLY ACQUIRE PROPERTY BY A, TAKING BY A, YOU KNOW, DOMAIN.
THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC NECESSITY THAT IS DECLARED, AND THAT IS THIS STEP THAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WHAT WE CLASSICALLY DO IS THEN IF THERE IS A SUIT THAT NEEDS TO BE FILED, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, OR, YOU KNOW, FINALIZING OF A TRANSACTION, WE TAKE THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL, DISCUSS.
BUT, BUT OUR MOTION HERE IS TO AUTHORIZE THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN AUTHORITY TO CONDEMN IT, NOT TO DECLARE THE PUBLIC NEED.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE ARE TRYING TO GET PUBLIC NECESSITY APPROVED.
SO WE DON'T NEED THIS LANGUAGE TONIGHT.
CORRECT? UH, I I THINK WE DO TO, TO START THAT PROCESS.
THIS, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT ACTUALLY IT SAYS WE'RE AUTHORIZING HIM IN DOMAIN.
I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THE AUTHORIZING EMINENT DOMAIN, NOT AUTHORIZING PUBLIC NECESSITY.
CAN, CAN WE NOT JUST MAKE A MOTION TO DECLARE PUBLIC NECESSITY HERE? NO, WE NEED TO, WELL, WE NEED THIS LANGUAGE CUZ THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT IS, UH, SPELLED OUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROPERTY CODE FOR US TO, TO DO THIS.
BUT HOW ABOUT THAT? WE COMMIT THAT PRIOR TO FILING ANY
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SUIT AND ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THAT.WE FILE SUIT, UH, INDIVIDUALLY AGAINST THE VARIOUS PROPERTIES.
BUT I THOUGHT THE STEP WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW THAT Y'ALL JUST TOLD US IS THAT WE NEED TO DECLARE PUBLIC NECESSITY AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT.
SO, DECLARATION, I MAKE A MOTION, MAKE IT KIND OF, OR DOES, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED FINAL NEGOTIATIONS AND THE CITY AND THE STAFF IS DETERMINED THAT WE'RE AT A STANDSTILL SECOND.
IT, I'M JUST GONNA VOTE ON THAT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT? IT'S ALL YOU, MAN.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE A PRINCIPLED, UH, STANCE AGAINST EMINENT DOMAIN IS ADMIRABLE, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO ISSUES IN THIS TOWN.
AND THAT IS TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE AND PEOPLE'S MEMORIES ON THE DRAINAGE SIDE ARE KIND OF GETTING LONG.
BUT EVERY SINGLE DAY WE'RE ALL REMINDED THAT WE SHOULD WORK THE TRAFFIC ISSUE AND THEREFORE I WILL VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS AND I'LL, I'LL VOTE AGAINST THE AMENDMENT TOO.
I THINK PEOPLE MIGHT REMEMBER IF YOU TAKE THE FRONT PART OF THEIR HOUSE, BUT, UH, MR. RESLER, UM, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH, WITH MR. MANN TO AN EXTENT, UM, IN THAT, UM, PRINCIPLED STANDS HAVE LINES, UM, WHERE THE, THE PRINCIPLE IS, IS REALLY NOT APPLICABLE.
UM, I, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WAY THIS IS BEING PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT, AND THAT IT'S NOT CLEAR IF WE ACTUALLY NEED THIS LANGUAGE TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF DECLARING PUBLIC NECESSITY OR NOT.
I EXPECT AN EXPLANATION THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE AND DOESN'T TALK IN CIRCLES ON THAT, UM, COMING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
HAVING SAID THAT, UM, KNOWING WHERE WE ARE ON THESE AND KNOWING THAT WE ARE GOING TO, TO DO THE NEGOTIATION, UM, I STAND BY THE MOTION I MADE.
I'LL, I'LL BE AGAINST POSTPONING.
UM, BUT I DO EXPECT IT TO COME BACK FOR ACTUAL APPROVAL BEFORE ANY ACTUAL EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDINGS.
UH, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S, UM, MOTION TO POSTPONE.
I THINK, UH, I, I SAID IT EARLIER, WE CAN'T BE FINED BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS UNCLEAR ENOUGH.
IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE 19.
ANOTHER TWO WEEKS IS NOT GONNA END THE WORLD BY WAITING AND MAKING SURE WE GET THIS PROPER.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S MOTION.
SO THIS IS A MOTION TO DELAY UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT FINAL NEGOTIATIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AS JUDGE BY THE CITY MANAGER.
[9H. 23-0294 Consider and take action on a resolution authorizing an updated Reimbursement Agreement with ExxonMobil Pipeline Company, LLC. for the relocation of the existing 6” ExxonMobil Pipeline as part of the North Extension of Landing Blvd Project (ST1914) in the amount of $979,259.87. (Executive Director of Capital Projects)]
CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AN UPDATED REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WITH EXXON MOBIL PIPELINE COMPANY, LLC FOR THE RELOCATION OF AN EXISTING EXXONMOBIL PIPELINE AS PART OF THE NORTH EXTENSION OF LANDING BOULEVARD PROJECTS IN THE AMOUNT OF 979259.87.OH, ARE YOU THE, UH, THE PARLIAMENTARIAN SIR LAMAR RIGHT THERE? YEP.
CAN I GET A MOTION SINCE YOU'RE NOW OUT OF ORDER AS WELL TO APPROVE SECOND MR. BONE LAST TIME.
UM, BUT, UM, UH, A LOT OF THIS, UM, UH, MONEY, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITIZENS HAVE HEARD YET, BUT WE DID GET A 6.5 MILLION UPGRADE TO OFFSET THE INFLATION FOR THE LANDINGS BRIDGE THAT WAS PASSED IN THE LAST BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETINGS AT H G A C.
UM, THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING IT, GETTING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, I JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE AND VOTE FOR IT AND TAKE THE CHECK WHEN THEY SAID, HERE'S YOUR CHECK.
UM, YEAH, GREAT WORK BY OUR STAFF.
THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS AND, AND SAVING THE CITY, THE CITIZENS 6.5 MILLION PLUS.
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MOTION PASSES 84 0 AGAINST,[9I. 23-0297 Consider and take action on a resolution authorizing a construction contract with The Trevino Group for the Dallas Salmon WWTP Admin, Lab & Ops Building Project WW2104 (Bid No. 23-033), for an amount not to exceed $6,201,125, authorizing an additional $465,000 Construction Work Change Directive budget, and authorizing a construction material testing budget of $30,849 for a total construction budget of $6,696,974. (Executive Director of Capital Projects)]
UH, NINE I CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH THE TREVINO GROUP FOR THE DALLAS SALMON W T P ADMIN LAB AND OPS BUILDING PROJECT WW 2,104 BID NUMBER 23 DASH 0 33 FOR THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $6,201,125, AUTHORIZING AN ADDITIONAL $465,000 CONSTRUCTION WORK CHANGE DIRECTED BUDGET, AND AUTHORIZING A CONSTRUCTION MIRROR MATERIAL TESTING BUDGET OF $30,849 FOR THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION BUDGET OF $6,696,974.SOLELY FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING THE CONVERSATION, I'M GONNA MOTION TO APPROVE SOLELY FOR THE SAKE OF THE DISCUSSION.
NO, I THINK WE, THERE IS DEFINITELY THINGS TO TALK ABOUT MR.
UM, I'M GONNA SAY THAT, UM, WHEN I READ THE, THE, THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM, AND THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
WE APPROVED THE ORIGINAL, UH, BID PACKAGE, UM, BACK WHEN WE WERE IN THE CIVIC CENTER WHEN WE WERE WAITING FOR OUR NEW DIGS.
AND, UH, THAT PROJECT, UH, ORIGINALLY BID OUT AND IT WAS WAY TOO HIGH BASED ON THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE.
SO WE RE SENT IT FOR REBIDDING.
AND, UH, I'M GONNA SAY THAT WHEN I READ THE, THE RECOMMENDATION LETTER, UM, FROM QUORUM AS A, WE PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR THESE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, A LOT OF MONEY, AND I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPACTS TO COST THAT WE DEAL WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT I THINK IS A BIG AREA FOR SAVINGS.
BUT WHEN WE GET A LETTER FROM A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES GROUP, THIS HAPPENS TO BE IN, UH, UH, UM, AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM AND THEY RESPOND WITH, IT APPEARS THAT ONE OF THE VENDORS, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION ANY VENDORS' NAME, MAY NOT HAVE INCLUDED ANYTHING SPECIFIED FOR ALTERNATE ONE TO ME.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE PAYING THESE GROUPS TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS.
AND IF THEY LOOKED, IF, IF SOMEBODY SUBMITTED A BID AND THEY SAID THEIR BID WAS MET, THE SPECIFICATIONS, AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT AS THE, AS THE ENGINEERING SERVICE OR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE THAT WE HIRE FOR YOU TO SEND THAT TO US, TO ASK US TO VOTE ON IT TO ME, RIGHT THERE, EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DID WAS WORTHLESS IN MY OPINION.
UM, I SENT THIS OFF TO AN ARCHITECT, ACTUALLY TWO ARCHITECTS THAT I KNOW AND SAID, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU SAW THIS? NOW I DID COVER YOUR NAME SO DIDN'T IMPACT YOUR BUSINESS.
THEY LOOKED AT IT AND SAID THEY WOULD NOT EVEN ACCEPT IT.
AND I, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I GOT REALLY UPSET WHEN I SAW THIS.
A AS MUCH AS I BEAT ON PEOPLE ABOUT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES COSTS, WHEN I SEE THIS AND I DIDN'T EVEN GO INTO THE SCORING, YOU LOST ME AT MAY HAVE INCLUDED, MAY NOT HAVE INCLUDED AND LIKELY INCLUDED INFERIOR, UH, EPOXY RESIN HIS FLOOR.
TO ME, THAT'S NO WAY TO SUBMIT ANY RECOMMENDATION TO ANYBODY THAT HAS TO MAKE A DECISION.
UM, I WASN'T AROUND WHENEVER Y'ALL, AND I WASN'T AROUND WHEN Y'ALL FIRST TALKED ABOUT IT OVER THERE, BUT A COUPLE QUESTIONS I HAVE ON IT IS, WE DO HAVE LESS DAYS ON ONE CONTRACT, ALSO A SAVINGS OF 200.
ACTUALLY IT'S $266,000, THE ONE THAT'S LESS DAYS WHEN WE DO THESE CONTRACTS.
DO WE PENALIZE THESE CONTRACTORS IN ANY WAY IF THEY DON'T COMPLETE THE PROJECT ON TIME? AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN PLACE TO PREVENT THEM FROM SAYING, OH, IT'S GONNA TAKE ANOTHER 60 DAYS, ANOTHER 60 DAYS AND CHARGE US MORE FOR CH CHANGE ORDERS, ET CETERA? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
THE, THE CONTRACT, UH, LIQUID DAMAGES FOR THIS PROJECT IS SET AT $2,000 A DAY, A AND A DAY.
IF THEY ARE, IF THERE ARE CHANGE ORDERS, IF THERE ARE WEATHER ISSUES, UH, OR GENERAL CONDITION ACTUALLY ALLOWS NUMBER OF DAYS OF RAIN DAYS THAT IS ALLOTTED IN THEIR CONTRACT THAT THEY CANNOT REQUEST FOR RAIN DAYS UNLESS THEY GO ABOVE THAT PARTICULAR AMOUNT OF RAIN DAYS.
UM, BUT IF THERE IS A CHANGE ORDER, IF THERE ARE ISSUES, UH, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT COME UP, UH, WE WILL STUDY IT, ASSESS IT, EVALUATE IT, AND GIVE THEM, OR WE DO NOT GIVE THEM THE NUMBER OF DAYS WHEN, WHEN THEY HIT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION.
IF THEY ARE WITHIN THEIR ALLOTTED TIME, THAT'S GREAT.
IF THEY'RE NOT, WE WILL ASSESS LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.
AS FOLLOW UP ON THE DAYS, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE DAYS ARE DONE? WHY THE DAYS ARE NOT SCORED IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO THE MONEY SINCE IT IS QUANTIT? IS IT, IT'S UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A QUANTITATIVE
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ABILITY, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT'S IF ONE GUY IS TWO DAYS LESS, YOU SHOULDN'T GIVE ONE A FIVE AND ONE A FOUR.IT SHOULD BE FIVE AND 4.889 OR WHATEVER IT IS.
SO, IF I MAY ASK DAVID DOMAN, OUR ARCHITECT FROM QUORUM ARCHITECTS TO KIND OF COME UP AND EXPLAIN SOME OF HIS SCORING PARAMETERS, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO MONEY AND DAYS, AND WE'LL FIND, I THINK DAVID'S METHODOLOGY IS A LITTLE MORE OBJECTIVE THAN SUBJECTIVE.
AND SO IF DAVID, IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT HOW YOU SCORED IT SCORED POINTS RELATIVE TO BOTH THE TIME AND MONEY, CUZ THOSE ARE THE, THE TWO BIG ONES THAT HAVE, THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ON.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL, DAVID DOOM AND CORE ARCHITECTS.
UM, SO TO ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTION WITH REGARD TO DAYS IN, IN, UM, IN COST, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL.
IT'S NOT A HARD BID COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL IS, IS RATED BASED ON MULTIPLE THINGS THAT ARE PUBLISHED IN THE BID DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING COST IN DAYS.
AND THE WAY THAT IT'S SCORED IS IN A SPREADSHEET TYPE FORMAT.
AND GENERALLY ONE POINT IS DEDUCTED FOR COST BEYOND 1% OF OUR ESTIMATE.
SO OUR ESTIMATE WAS 6.5 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO FOR EVERY $65,000, THERE'S A POINT DEDUCTED THERE.
EVERY $65,000 INDIFFERENCE OF THE BIDDERS, THERE'S A POINT DEDUCTED, WELL WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU DO IT THAT WAY AND NOT JUST DO IT MATHEMATICALLY THAT THAT IS MATHEMATICALLY IT'S NOT MATHEMATICALLY YOU WOULD JUST, YOU WOULD JUST TAKE IT AND IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A A 20% DIFFERENCE, YOU WOULD GIVE THEM 20, YOU WOULD GIVE THEM 80% OF THE POINTS.
IF IT'S A 22% DIFFERENCE, YOU WOULD GIVE 'EM 78% OF THE POINTS.
SO I MEAN, LIKE YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HIT THESE CERTAIN TRANCHES ON THE DIFFERENCES, BUT THE REASON, I'M SORRY, THE REAL, IT SHOULD JUST BE THE REAL NUMBER AND LET IT FALL WHERE IT MAY.
THE REASON IT'S DONE THAT WAY IS, IS A SMALLER PROJECT, LET'S SAY A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT BEFORE EVERY $10,000 OR A $500,000 PROJECT FOR EVERY 5,000.
SO IT'S, IT'S RATED BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT TO, TO ALLOW MORE COMPETITIVENESS.
UM, IT'S WORKED MANY TIMES IT HASN'T BEEN QUESTIONED BY, BY MANY MUNICIPALITIES.
IT'S THE WAY THIS WAS PUBLISHED ON THIS ONE TO GO FORWARD WITH DAYS.
IT'S THE SAME THING FOR EVERY 30 DAYS ON A PROJECT THIS SIZE, THERE'S A POINT DEDUCTED.
SO, UM, SO, SO IF YOU DID 29, YOU WOULDN'T LOSE ANY POINTS.
IF THERE'S A 29, THIS IS LIKE, I USED TO HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THIS.
WELL CUZ IN OTHER FORMS OF PUBLIC BIDDING, CAUSE I, THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING BID PUBLIC PROJECTS ALL THE TIME, NOT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS HAVE YOU, IT'S JUST A MATHEMATICAL ISSUE.
SO YOU JUST PUT 'EM AGAINST EACH OTHER AND YOU WOULD GET THE POINTS THERE.
AND THAT WAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO ARGUE AND, AND INSTEAD WE'RE HAVING AN ARGUMENT ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT FEELS KINDA SUBJECTIVE WHEN IT COULD JUST BE THE MATH IS THE MATH AND GO FORWARD FROM THERE.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS UP HERE NUMEROUS TIMES AND I GUESS I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM IF THE MATH IS AVAILABLE, WHY DIDN'T WE JUST DO THE MATH AND FIGURE OUT THE PERCENTAGES? ALL RIGHT, MR. LER, UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO START WITH JUST A QUESTION THERE.
YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE, ON THE COST IT REFERENCES BACK TO WHAT Y'ALL ESTIMATED THE COST AT THIS COMING IN BELOW YOUR ESTIMATE, GIVEN BONUS POINTS.
NOW THE WAY THE SPREADSHEET IS SET UP, IT'S BASED OFF THE, THE LOWEST COST THAT COMES IN SETS THE BASELINE.
SO IT'S NOT OFF YOUR ESTIMATE.
THE ONLY REASON OUR ESTIMATE IS EVEN USED IS TO DETERMINE WOULD BE NOTHING WHAT THE POINT DIFFERENCE WOULD BE FOR WHAT'S THE VALUE OF A POINT, AND IT'S BASED OFF OUR ESTIMATE.
SO YOUR ESTIMATE JUST IS IS ONLY USED TO EQUATE DOLLARS OF POINTS? YES, SIR.
BUT THEN THEY'RE COMPARED AGAINST EACH OTHER? YES, SIR.
UM, I, DID OUR STAFF HAVE ANY HAND IN, UM, ESTABLISHING THE WEIGHTING OF EACH SECTION OF SCORING? OR DID Y'ALL DO THAT? YES, SIR.
IT'S, IT WAS, UM, IN THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, IT WAS REVIEWED BY STAFF THREE TIMES.
SO, AND WE SPECIFICALLY DREW ATTENTION TO THE SCORING THE RATING SYSTEM FOR, FOR PRICE AND TIME AND REFERENCES.
I, I, I REALIZE THAT, THAT THE, UM, SCHEDULE WAS ONLY FIVE OF THE TOTAL POINTS, UM, WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT WHEN THE, THE TOP TWO ARE LESS THAN A POINT APART, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT WAITING.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR STAFF WHO ARE WAITING ON THIS PROJECT TO BE DONE, IF THE TIMELINE IS, IS EVEN FIVE POINTS CRITICAL, UM, KNOWING HOW MUCH OF A
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FRANKLY BOTTOM, BOTTOM DOLLAR FOCUSED COUNCIL WE ARE, UM, WAS, WAS THAT THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO, TO HAVE WAITING ON THE SCHEDULE? SO, SO OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PROJECTS AND WE THINK ABOUT TIMELINES, THE TIMELINES MORE CRITICAL.I WOULD TELL YOU FOR ROADWAY PROJECTS AND PROJECTS THAT WHERE WE ARE SUBJECT TO SOME SORT OF FINER PENALTY, AND IN THIS CASE, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, THE TIMELINE'S NOT QUITE AS CRITICAL.
BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE WAY THE POINTS WERE ASSIGNED, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT JUST THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE FOR DAYS IS ALMOST EQUIVALENT TO WHAT HE DID FOR DOLLARS.
SO IF THERE'S $2,000 A DAY LIQUIDATED DAMAGES IN A 30 DAY PERIOD, THAT HAPPENS TO BE 60,000.
SO IT DOES EQUATE SIMILARLY TO THE, TO THE DOLLARS POINT DOLLARS PERSPECTIVE OR THE VALUE OF THE DIFFERENCE IN, IN THE, IN THE BIDS, UM, OBVIOUSLY IS A PROJECT DRAGS ON.
I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS CASE IS 120 DAYS.
I DO, I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY.
Y YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE WE HAVE COSTS OUT THERE THAT CONTINUE TO LINGER ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT AND THAT KIND OF THING.
DOES IT MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IF IT'S A, IF IT TAKES FOUR MONTHS, MONTHS LONGER AND STAFF STAYS IN TEMPORARY QUARTERS FOR FOUR MORE MONTHS? YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS SINCE IKE, OR SEVEN YEARS SINCE IKE NO, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT WE GO THROUGH AND YOU AGAIN, OBJECTIVELY WE WOULDN'T HAVE GUESSED THERE WOULD BE 120 DAYS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE TWO CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT GOING IN.
THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL TIME ON THIS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ESTABLISHED THAT CRITERIA BUT BEFORE THE BIDS WERE OPEN.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DAVID DOES THE MA DAVID DOES THE MATH AND COMES UP WITH THE SCORING.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SITTING HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE THE SCORING'S VERY, VERY CLOSE AND THE, AND THE PERSON WHO HAS THE LOWEST NUMERICAL BID AND WE ASSIGNED 60% OF THE POINTS TO, TO DOLLARS, WHICH IS MORE THAN A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS.
SO WE SAID DOLLARS WERE OBVIOUSLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALL THE OTHER SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE CRI CRITERIA.
AND SO HERE WE, YOU KNOW, WE SIT HERE, WE SIT HERE BEFORE THE COUNCIL WITH A PROJECT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN BID TWICE AND WE BELIEVE IS IS READY TO GO AND, AND LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO AWARD BASED ON THE CRITERIA WE ESTABLISHED AT THE TIME THE PROJECT WAS BID.
UM, NEXT QUESTION IS FOR THE FACT OF THE ARCHITECT.
THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT MR. BOWEN, UH, BROUGHT UP, WE MAY NOT DO OR LIKELY DID NOT.
DID Y'ALL MAKE ANY EFFORT TO VERIFY IF THAT WAS THE CASE OR NOT? WE DID HAVE, UM, AFTER THE LETTER WERE WAS WRITTEN, WE HAD THREE PHONE CALLS PLACED TO THE LOW BIDDER THAT WERE NOT RETURNED AFTER THE YES, THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN.
WHAT WAS THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN BIDS WERE RECEIVED, SCORING WAS DONE AND THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN.
I SHOULD SAY, UH, ABOUT, UH, TWO WEEKS, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS, SIR.
AND INSTEAD OF MAKING THE PHONE CALLS THEN, SO THAT YOU DIDN'T SEND US A LETTER WITH MAYBE, SO WE DID NOT, UM, ASK YOUR CITY ATTORNEY OR YOUR CITY STAFF, BUT WE'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST THAT BASED ON COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSALS, THE EVALUATION SHALL ONLY BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE PUBLISHED SCORING CRITERIA.
AND THAT'S WHY THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN.
THE FIRST PARAGRAPH ADDRESSES THE SCORING CRITERIA, BUT YET YOU'VE BEEN SUBJECTIVE ASSUMPTIONS WHEN YOU SAY MAY NOT LIKE.
SO THE FIRST PARAGRAPH IS JUST BASED ON THE OBJECTIVE SCORING SYSTEM.
THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IN THE LETTER, OR THIRD, THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTER IS WHERE WE IDENTIFIED SOME RED FLAGS DURING OUR EVALUATION CRITERIA.
THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE SCORING SYSTEM, BUT WE WANT COUNSEL TO BE AWARE OF THE RED FLAGS THAT WERE RAISED WITH THE SIGNIFICANT 80 TO 90% DIFFERENCE IN COST OF THE LOW BIDDER VERSUS THE OTHER THREE, UM, TWO BIDDERS IN OUR ESTIMATE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR PURPOSE THERE WAS TO, WITHOUT VIOLATING THE SEALED NATURE OF THE BID PROCESS, TO PROVIDE US SOME SUBJECTIVE CONCERNS THAT MIGHT HAVE GROWN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND BID? YES, SIR.
BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED IN A SEAL BID TO ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
AND TRADITIONALLY THAT IS DONE VIA EMAIL SO THAT IT IS IDENTIFIED
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AND TIMESTAMPED AND NOT DONE BY PHONE IN A, IN A SEALED BID.WE, WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED BY, BY LEGAL IN THE PAST NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT OPENS OURSELVES UP TO TOO MANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
IT TRADITIONALLY COMES FROM THE PURCHASING AGENT.
SO THE CONSULTANT WOULD PROVIDE THE PURCHASING AGENT THE NEEDS FOR CLARIFICATION.
THE PURCHASING AGENT WOULD THEN SEND OUT THE CLARIFICATION.
THE BIDDERS WOULD THEN RESPOND TO THE PURCHASING AGENT AND GIVE YOU BACK THE INFORMATION.
THAT'S TRADITIONALLY HOW IT'S DONE IN A SEALED BID WHEN YOU'RE USING A CONSULTANT TO RUN AND SCORE THE BIDS.
THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED IN THE PAST.
BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT.
TIGHTEN UP YOUR PROCEDURES, UH, CUZ THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
SO WHEN THE EXPERT LOOKS AT EVERYTHING, THE EXPERT CREATES A MASSIVE LIST TO GO BACK TO ALL THE BIDDERS AND SAY, PURCHASING AGENT, CAN YOU SEND EMAILS TO THESE BIDDERS REQUESTING CLARIFICATION ON X, Y, AND Z.
THE PURCHASING AGENT THEN TAKES THAT INFORMATION, SENDS IT TO THE BIDDERS, THE BIDDERS HAVE WHATEVER, A WEEK, 10 DAYS, WHATEVER, TO REPLY BACK WITH THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS.
IF THEY DON'T REPLY BACK, THEY'RE CONSIDERED NONRESPONSIVE AND THEY DON'T MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF THEY DO REPLY BACK WITH THE CLARIFICATIONS, THEN THAT'S TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND THAT ALL RUNS THROUGH THE PURCHASING AGENT DOES NOT RUN THROUGH THE CONSULTANTS, DOES NOT RUN THROUGH THE, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU RUN IT.
AND THEN THE, THEN THOSE, UH, THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE BUILT INTO THE SCORING GOING FORWARD.
MR. SAUNDERS, MR. MAYOR, UM, I I, SEVERAL THINGS POP UP.
THE COST SAVINGS, OF COURSE, I KNOW THERE'S MORE DAYS INVOLVED IN THE OTHER BID, BUT TELL ME WHY DID YOU ONLY HAVE ONE POINT DIF FIRST OF ALL, LET'S BACK UP.
I AGREE WITH MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING OUT LOSS SUBJECTIVE STUFF THERE AND YOU HAD NO ANSWERS YET, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, DIDN'T IT OVER WITH THE BIDS YET.
AND YOU'RE THROWING OUT ALL THIS SUBJECTIVE STUFF RATHER THAN HAVING ACTUAL FACTUAL DATA TO BACK UP YOUR JUDGEMENTS.
NOW YOU'RE HAVING A CONTRACTOR BEING BUILT BEAT OUT BY LESS THAN ONE POINT, BUT YET YOU GAVE THAT ONE POINT.
I'M STILL NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING.
THIS PROPOSAL COST WAS LESS, YOU GAVE THEM MORE ON THE TIMEFRAME, BUT YOU BEAT THIS ONE GOT BEAT OUT BY ONE POINT BECAUSE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THEM.
IS THAT WHAT I'M, HOW I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY? IT SAYS SIMILAR PROJECTS, REFERENCES, AND CITY OR ARCHITECT EXPERIENCE.
HOW MANY OF THESE CONTRACTORS HAVE YOU DEALT WITH BEFORE OUT OF THESE THREE? NO, SIR.
AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DEALT WITH THEM? NO, SIR.
OUR SCORING SYSTEM IS NOT BASED ON SUBJECTIVE.
I'M SORRY SIR, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, CITY OR ARCHITECT EXPERIENCE.
SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'VE DEALT WITH THEM.
IF SO, HOW MANY OF THESE CONTRACTORS AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DEALT WITH EACH OF THESE CONTRACTORS? THERE, THERE IS A POINT ALLOCATED FOR, UM, SIMILAR PROJECTS.
THERE'S A POINT ALLOCATED FOR SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS WITH THE CITY AND THERE'S A POINT ALLOCATED FOR SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS WITH THE ARCHITECT UP TO EIGHT POINTS.
UM, IN THAT SITUATION, WE HAVE NOT WORKED WITH EITHER, UM, THE TRIBUNAL GROUP BEFORE AND WE HAVE NOT WORKED WITH BROOKSTONE.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH CONSTRUCTION LTD.
IT WAS NOT A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT, SO THEY DID NOT GET A POINT FOR A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
NOW YET YOU GAVE THAT TO THE OTHER PEOPLE.
THAT'S BASED ON REFERENCES THAT WE RECEIVED, WRITTEN REFERENCES, EMAIL REFERENCES.
SO THERE'S UP TO EIGHT POINTS ALLOCATED FOR REFERENCES AS WELL.
NOW, AFTER I WROTE THE LETTER, I ACTUALLY DID RECEIVE NO NOTIFICATION FROM, FROM THE CITY THAT THE CITY OF LAKE CITY HAS WORKED WITH THE TREVINO GROUP AND COULD HAVE RECEIVED ANOTHER POINT FOR THAT.
IT WAS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT, SO THEY COULD HAVE RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL POINT FOR THAT.
THE LETTER WAS ALREADY WRITTEN, SO WE DID NOT CHANGE.
IT WOULDN'T ADD THAT BE INCLUDED.
ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, UH, MR. BAUMGARTNER, IS THERE A BONUS TO EARLY COMPLETION OR IS IT STRICTLY A PENALTY FOR LATE COMPLETION? IN MOST INSTANCES, IT'S JUST A PENALTY FOR LATE COMPLETION.
I'M GONNA VOTE MY CONSCIENCE ON THIS ONE AND VOTE NO.
UM, AND IT'S NOT THAT, UH, IT, IT REALLY, THIS IS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EVALUATION.
UH, HOWEVER, I PUT THERE'S MAYBE TWO OR THREE PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS THAT PROBABLY TOTALED 12 MILLION, 15 MILLION THAT I JUST HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE UTILITY OF THE SCALE.
UM, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU CAN BUILD A BUILDING LIKE THIS FOR 3 MILLION BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY IT WOULD NOT BE BUILT TO CAT FIVE SPEC, BUT THE FACILITY ITSELF COULDN'T SURVIVE A HURRICANE.
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I'VE NEVER, UNTIL WHENEVER THEY, WHEN THEY WENT TO DESIGN AND THEY DESIGNED WHAT I THOUGHT WAS AN OVER-ENGINEERED BUILDING, I WAS GONNA VOTE AGAINST IT THEN.AND NOW, NOW IT'S GONE TO SEVEN, WHAT IS IT? 7 MILLION ON SEVEN? SHE'S, UH, I'M A NO VOTE.
UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN ANY OF THE BIDDERS SUBMITTED THEIR BIDS, DID THEY TAKE, DID ANY OF THEM TAKE EXCEPTION TO ANY OF THE, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE BID IN AS PART OF THEIR PRE, UH, THEIR PACKAGE? NO, SIR.
THERE'S NO EXCEPTIONS AT ALL IN ANY OF THE BIDS.
SO AGAIN, THEN YOU ASSUMED BASED ON THOSE LAST TWO SENTENCES IN THE THIRD PARAGRAPH THAT THEY WEREN'T PROVIDING.
THAT'S YOUR ASSUMPTION IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SIR.
WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO POINT OUT TO COUNSEL IS WE, THERE'S A RED FLAG THERE AND THE DIFFERENCE, THE 80 OR 90% DIFFERENCE IN COST THAT WE'RE SEEING ON FOUR SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WERE REQUESTED TO GET UNIT PRICES ON, UM, IT'S A RED FLAG TO US THAT THE DOCUMENTS AREN'T BEING REVIEWED THE SAME BY ONE CONTRACTOR AS THE OTHER THREE CON OR TWO CONTRACTORS AND ARCHITECT.
UM, THERE'S A 90% DIFFERENCE ON SOME OF THESE COSTS.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A RED FLAG TO US.
OKAY, BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
YEAH, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF QUOTATIONS WHERE WHEN SOMEBODY KNOWS THAT 60% OF THE BIDDING'S GONNA BE IN THE PRICING, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA CONCENTRATE IN THE PRICING? I, I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR.
YOU'VE SEEN A, HOW MANY PRE-PROPOSALS YOU DO KNOW THAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? WE SEE VARIATION IN COST, BUT RARELY DO WE SEE 90% VARIATION IN, WELL, I'VE NEVER SEEN 90 WELL PERCENT IN THE TOTAL BID, NO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN 8% VARIATION IN THE TOTAL COST.
WE PUT 10% FACTOR IN FOR UNFORESEENS.
YOU MADE A PRETTY STRONG ASSUMPTION IS WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT I'M, I'M DONE WITH IT, BUT IT, IT REALLY BOTHERED ME.
UM, I STILL BELIEVE IN THE PROJECT.
UM, SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS LETTER UPDATED BY REACHING OUT TO THE BIDDERS AND CLEARING UP THE SUBJECTIVITY IN THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, IF, IF THE, THE, IF THE BIDS WERE, WERE TRULY ACCURATE, UM, AND APPLES TO APPLES, THEN VERIFY THAT IF THEY'RE TRULY DIFFERENT AND IT EXPLAINS DIFFERENCE IN COST, THEN GREAT.
UM, SO MY MOTION IS TO POSTPONE TILL WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, SPEAK ON THAT MOTION REAL QUICK.
I PREFER TO VOTE TONIGHT AND BE THE THIRD TIME I VOTE AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
UH, AND, AND MY REAL THING ABOUT IT, KIND OF LIKE ANDY SAID, I THINK IT'S OVER-ENGINEERED.
I THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THROW THIS OUT THERE THAT AFTER BUDGET WHEN WE'RE KIND OF IN OUR SLOW SEASON, I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD A WORKSHOP IN WHICH WE REALLY GO OVER OUR PURCHASING PROCEDURES AND WE SPEND SOME TIME WALKING THROUGH THAT.
UH, I AND WE, BECAUSE I'VE, THESE, THESE THINGS HAVE COME UP A COUPLE TIMES AND I, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE A MORE, A MORE CLEAR PURCHASING WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE, UH, ON THESE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS AND, AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE FROM THE SCORING SIDE.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DON'T NEED TO SET A DATE FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST SAY, AFTER BUDGET, UH, CITY MANAGER LOOK FOR A GOOD TIME AFTER BUDGET BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS TO DO THAT KIND OF WORKSHOP.
AND SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, THIS ITEM MOTION FAILS FOUR TO FOUR.
SO THE VOTE IS NOW ON THIS ITEM, UH, AS IT STANDS, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION FAILS, UH, 1 4 7 AGAINST CRUZ.
[10A. 23-0316 Consider and take action on an ordinance amending Chapter 2 of the Code of Ordinances of the City of League City, Texas, entitled "Administration" to require background checks for anyone serving on a City board, providing for codification, publication and an effective date (Council Member Saunders and Mayor Long)]
UH, CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO, THE CODE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LEAGUE CITY ENTITLED ADMINISTRATION TO REQUIRE BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR ANYONE SERVING ON A CITY BOARD, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PUBLICATION, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.I'M GOING TO APPROVE SECOND, UH, TOM.
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UM, THE, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT, THAT I HAD ON THIS WAS WASN'T THIS ALREADY SOMETHING THAT THE, THAT THE CITY HAD DONE.AND THEN WE JUST RECENTLY PULLED IT AWAY AND, YOU KNOW, IS THIS, IS THIS WORTH THE MONEY? I I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN RESPONSE TO THE, UM, TO THE RECENT, UM, UH, VOLUN THE RESULTS OF THE VOLUNTEER GETTING ARRESTED HERE.
UH, IF, IF THAT'S THE RESULT OF IT, THEN I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE WRITTEN THE ORDINANCE THE CORRECT WAY.
AND I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF JUST CONCERNS ABOUT THE TIMELINES OF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO GET FROM, UH, FROM MR. FROM MR. DO THE, WHAT ARE THE MORAL TURPITUDE, UM, STANDARDS? BECAUSE THIS WAY, AT LEAST CITIZENS BEFORE THEY KNOW IF THIS DOES PASS, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY KNOW ON THERE THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE? SO IT KIND OF SAVE, SAVES THEM SOME EMBARRASSMENT AS WELL.
SO, MR. DUNK, CAN YOU GIVE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE MORAL TURPITUDE? SO THE LIST OF MORAL TURPITUDE CRIMES, IT'S ACTUALLY A CONSTRUCT OF COMMON LAW.
UH, BUT IT SPEAKS TO CRIMES THAT SHOW BASICALLY BAD CHARACTER.
SO CERTAINLY CRIMES OF FRAUD, DECEIT, DISHONESTY, THEFT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, OR CRIMES OF MORAL, UH, TURPITUDE.
ALSO CRIMES OF, UH, AGAINST PERSONS LIKE ATTACKS AGAINST PERSONS, UM, WOULD, WOULD COUNT AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MICHELLE HAS BEFORE, LIKE DONE KIND OF A, A MORE DETAILED LIST OF, OF TYPES OF CRIMES.
UH, LIKE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY BROAD LIST.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, I GUESS, SO THEN I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH D BUT WHEN WE GO TO SECTION TWO, I KNOW WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT, BUT IT SAYS THAT THE, THE CITY MANAGER SHALL ENSURE THAT THE CITY HAS A POLICY REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR ALL EMPLOYEES AND VOLUNTEERS.
ARE WE LOOKING FOR THE VOLUNTEER PIECE TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES? ARE WE GOING TO WANT TO DO BACKGROUND CHECKS ON ALL THE VOLUNTEERS AS WELL? 100%.
I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THIS IS FOR, RIGHT? SO IF YOU VOLUNTEER, UH, TO COACH LITTLE LEAGUE OR YOU VOLUNTEER AT A SCHOOL, UH, IN THE LIBRARY AT THE SCHOOL OR YOU KNOW, COACHING ANYTHING, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK.
WE RECENTLY HAD A, AN ISSUE, UH, WHERE A VOLUNTEER WAS NOT BACKGROUND CHECK.
HE WAS THEN ARRESTED, UH, FOR CHI FOR CRIMES AGAINST A CHILD.
UH, AND OF COURSE, NO BACKGROUND CHECK IS GOING TO PREVENT ALL THIS.
THERE'S NO WAY, NO WAY AROUND IT.
BUT YOU CAN AT LEAST FOLLOW A SIMILAR STANDARD TO WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS FOLLOW TO WHAT THE LITTLE LEAGUE FOLLOWS, TO WHAT ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DEAL WITH KIDS FOLLOW, UH, OUR, OUR SYSTEMS WERE JUST A LITTLE BIT LAX.
AND SO WE NEED TO ESPECIALLY TIGHTEN IT DOWN ON THE VOLUNTEER SIDE WHEN IT RELATES TO CHILDREN.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GIVING THE CITY MANAGER THE, THE POWER TO CONSTRUCT THAT AND SET IT AS HE SEES FIT.
MR. SAUNDERS, THIS BASICALLY CLOSES SOME OF THE LOOPHOLES IN THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE.
DO YOU WANT SOMEBODY WHO HAS FINANCIAL CRIMES TO BE ON A FINANCE COMMITTEE? DO YOU WANT SOMEBODY WHO HAS CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN TO BE ON THE LIBRARY BOARD COMMITTEE? IT BASICALLY CLOSES SOME LOOPHOLES.
THE POLICY, THE CITY HAS IN FACT COVERS THE VOLUNTEERS WOULD'VE POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN CAUGHT.
THIS PERSON HAD HE HAD A CRIMINAL RECORD.
BUT WHAT IT'S DOING IS THIS IS SHOWING THAT THE CITY IS DOING BUSINESSES PRACTICES AND THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO PROTECT THE CITY ITSELF AND PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND OTHER PEOPLE HERE.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S JUST BASICALLY CLOSES SOME LOOPHOLES UP MR. TRUST AND, UH, THREE CONCERNS.
UH, FIRST, UM, THE LANGUAGE DOESN'T MATCH OUR INTENT.
THE LANGUAGE IS ONLY APPLYING TO PEOPLE APPOINTED TO BOARDS.
UM, THAT'S THE LANGUAGE IN THE PACKET IS IT'S, IT'S IT'S VOLUNTEERS.
IT SAYS THE CITY WILL HAVE A POLICY AND THAT'S WITH JOHN'S WINDOW, UH, WHAT I SAW REFERRED TO BOARDS.
SO YOU GOTTA READ THE WHOLE THING.
UM, SECOND CONCERN, UM, BACKGROUND CHECKS, IDENTIFY THINGS.
THEY, THEY DON'T PROVIDE ANY SORT OF GUIDELINES ON THE, THE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
SO ARE WE GONNA BE ADDRESSING THAT CASE BY CASE OR SHOULD WE PRE DECLARE WHAT THINGS ARE, ARE YOU CAN'T, SIR.
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AS YOU READ RIGHT THERE, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY MANAGER SETS THE EXPECTATIONS AND SO THE CITY MANAGER WILL DEVISE THAT POLICY FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.THAT INFORMATION WOULD COME TO US, AND THEN THAT'S UP TO US.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO IT CASE BY CASE.
SO IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES YEAH.
THAT COMES TO US AND WE CAN DO WITH IT AS WE DESIRE ON THAT, ON THE BOARD COMMITTEE.
SO YES OR NO, THAT'S A CASE BY CASE.
SO CAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T READ THE ORDINANCE, SO LET ME GO BACK THROUGH IT.
SO ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT IS UP TO US AND WE CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT ON THE VOLUNTEERS.
THAT IS THE POLICY OF THE CITY MANAGER.
AND THE CITY MANAGER WILL ESTABLISH THAT POLICY ON THE, ON THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.
AND UH, THIRD, UM, JOHN, CAN YOU GIVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS AND BOARD MEMBERS WE HAVE IN THIS CITY? I, I DON'T HAVE THAT ESTIMATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF, DID JAMES LEAVE? NO, I'M, I'M RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WE HAVE.
IF WE LOOK AT, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY FALL INTO THE VOLUNTEER GROUP, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY, UM, UH, BACKGROUND CHECKED AS WELL.
CHAD, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY? ALMOST 400 THAT ARE OVER THERE.
ANOTHER A HUNDRED OR SO AT THE ANIMAL CENTER.
H HOW MANY BACKGROUND CHECKS DID WE DO LAST YEAR FOR VOLUNTEERS? FOR VOLUNTEERS? UH, WE DID, BECAUSE WE JUST RAN THE LIBRARY THROUGH 'EM TOO.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO, UH, 280, 300 BACKGROUND CHECKS.
AND WITH THE ENHANCEMENTS TO THE POLICY, WE'LL PROBABLY BE DOING DOUBLE, UH, CLOSE, PROBABLY ANOTHER 50, 60%, FOUR OR FIVE, FOUR OR 500 A YEAR, IF THAT WAS YOUR OKAY, GOOD QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IS.
AND THESE ARE THE, THE $15 ONES AND CORRECT, THOSE ARE THE 85 1 RELATIVELY CHEAP ONES, CORRECT.
UH, MR. TRESSLER CONCERN REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE US TO, TO KINDA GIVE SOME CONCERN, SOME CONSIDERATION TO IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA HAVE SOME KIND OF A SET STANDARD TO WHERE ONE PERSON PASSES AND ONE DOESN'T.
I KNOW THAT WHEN I TALK TO THE, UH, TO THE HR DIRECTOR, UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE JOB ITSELF.
SO SOME PEOPLE GET THIS LARGER ONE, SOME PEOPLE DON'T.
IF YOU, AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT THIS CRIME COMMITTED, YOU'VE COMMITTED THIS CRIME, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY CORRELATE TO YOUR JOB, THEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR FOR THAT TO BE CONCERNED.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THERE LIKE A TIMEFRAME THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE DONE THIS AFTER THREE YEARS, WE DON'T CARE.
UM, ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING, ARE, ARE WE LOOKING AT SAYING, WELL, UM, ARE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A THING WHERE WE'RE LIMITING CITIZENS FROM WANTING TO CONTINUE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THE BACKGROUND CHECK FOR ANYONE WITH THE CHILDREN, UM, SHOULD GO FORWARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN, WHEN WE WORK WITH THE, UH, JUNIOR LEAGUE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DO A LOT OF CHILDREN WITH, THEY BACKGROUND CHECK EVERY TIME.
SO I'M ABSOLUTELY OKAY WITH THAT.
IT'S THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE RATHER THAN JUST SAY, HEY, THIS GUY, NO, THIS GUY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER RESEARCH ON.
WE'VE ALREADY DO BACKGROUND CHECKS.
I KNOW THAT WHENEVER I, UH, WHEN I VOLUNTEERED FOR FLAGGED FOOTBALL BEFORE I WAS FIRED BY THE, BY THE TEAM, UH, I HAD TO GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND CHECK.
SO, UH, THIS IS A, A REASONABLE REQUEST.
AND AS FOR, UH, THE, THE PROCEDURE BY WHICH YOU DECIDE, UH, WHAT ACTUALLY GOES FORWARD AND WHO HAS AN UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION WITH THE PERSON.
WHENEVER THE, WHEN A NE NEGATIVE MARK COMES BACK, WE COULD JUST, WE COULD JUST DUPLICATE WHAT THE CITY'S ALREADY DOING.
THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN, THE CITY'S ALREADY BEEN DOING THOSE.
THIS HERE PRIMARILY SOLIDIFIES BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THE CITY'S ALREADY BEEN DOING, THE VOLUNTEERS ALREADY BEEN DOING THE, ALL THE OTHER ONES WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, LIKE THE ANIMAL SHELTER VOLUNTEERS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. BRAM, THE ANIMAL SHELTER VOLUNTEERS ARE ALREADY GETTING BACKGROUND CHECKS.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN UP TO THIS POINT IN TIME.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN UP TO THIS POINT.
UM, PARKS AND REC, ARE THOSE VOLUNTEERS GETTING BACKGROUND CHECKS? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
OKAY, SO THOSE ARE ALREADY BEEN GETTING CHECKED.
SO WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS AREN'T GETTING THEM.
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WAY I UNDERSTOOD THE POLICY IS ALL VOLUNTEERS ARE ALREADY GETTING BACKGROUND CHECKS.CURRENTLY PARKS AND REC ARE, UH, LIBRARY IS, UM, AND THE, ALL THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS ARE OKAY.
MAINLY THE FOSTERS WITH THE, WITH THE ANIMAL CENTER ARE NOT GETTING BACKGROUND.
CAUSE TO ME THAT'D BE KIND OF IMPORTANT CUZ YOU NEVER KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN ARRESTED FOR SOME KIND OF ISSUE WITH ANIMALS IN THE PAST.
UM, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW.
UH, COUNCILMAN SOS FOR, FOR BRINGING, FOR BRINGING SOMETHING BACK UP.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ACTUALLY DOING COMMUNITY SERVICE TO WORK OFF SOME OF THE CRIMES THAT, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED UNDER THIS POLICY.
WOULD THAT STILL BE ALLOWED? I WOULD SAY IF THEY HAVE CRIMES AGAINST ANIMALS, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED THAT.
BUT IF THEY HAVE OTHER CRIMES THAT ARE UNRELATED TO THAT, THEN SHOPLIFTING OR WHATEVER, THEN YEAH, PROBABLY.
SO IT'S REALLY NO CHANGE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING OUTSIDE OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
CUZ I, I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT THE ANIMAL SHELTER WHO'S ALREADY REALLY NEEDS A LOT OF HELP, WHOSE VOLUNTEERS ARE A LOT OF TIMES WORKING OFF FOR COMMUNITY HOURS, UH, SERVICES.
SO AS LONG AS THAT'S NOT AFFECTED, I THINK IT WOULD CHANGE IT IN THE FACT THAT THEN THEY WOULD GET BACKGROUND CHECKED.
AND AS LONG AS, I MEAN, JUST A CRIME DOESN'T RULE YOU OUT.
I THINK IT HAS TO BE A CRIME THAT'S APPLICABLE.
BE OF CONCERN FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING.
BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALSO PROBABLY BEING SUPERVISED TOO.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE'S ESTABLISHED REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS BEING AND THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS STAFF CAN WORK TO CREATE AN ACTUAL POLICY THAT SPELLS IT ALL OUT AND OVER A TIMEFRAME THAT HE THINKS IS, IS REASONABLE.
ANYBODY ELSE? SHOULD SOMEBODY GO GET ANDY? ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE.
SEVEN FOUR NO AGAINST ONE ABSENT MAN.
[10B. 23-0287 Consider and take action on ordinance granting a limited franchise to Universal Natural Gas, LLC (d/b/a Universal Natural Gas, Inc.) to operate and maintain a gas distribution system for the transportation, distribution and/or sale of gas to customers in League City through the use of public rights-of-way – First Reading (City Attorney)]
IT WAS NOTAND TAKE ACTION ON ORDINANCE GRANTING A LIMITED FRANCHISE UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS LLC DBA UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS INC.
TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN A GAS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM FOR TRANSPORTATION DISTRIBUTION AND OR SALE OF GAS TO CUSTOMERS IN LEAGUE CITY THROUGH THE USE OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, NOBODY LIKES IT.
BAILS FOR BAILS FOR BAILS, FOR LACK OF, UH, LACK OF MOTION, I GUESS.
UH, CONSIDERING TAKE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THE CITY CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU ADVISORY BOARD TO MEET AT TIMES OTHER THAN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AT 5:00 PM OR LATER EFFECTIVE 8 1 20 23.
MR. MAYOR, I'M SORRY, I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK AND VOTE ON IT.
AND IF WE KILL IT, IT WON'T COME BACK.
CAN I GET THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION SINCE I ALREADY MADE THAT TO RECONSIDER 10 B.
WE NEVER CONSIDERED IT SO WE YES.
IT'S NOT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO GO BACK TO AN ITEM THAT Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY PROCEEDED PAST ON THE AGENDA, BUT YOU TOOK NO ACTION ON IT.
I MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND BRING BACK ITEM.
WHAT WAS IT? 10 B, 10 B SECOND.
AND LET'S, UH, IS THERE ANY, ANY, ANYBODY WANNA TALK ON IT UP HERE? NO.
I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE SO WE CAN TAKE A VOTE.
WHAT ARE WE VOTING FOR? WE ARE VOTING ON CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON ORDINANCE GRANTING A LIMITED FRANCHISE TO UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS LLC DBA UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS INC.
TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN A GAS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM FOR TRANSPORTATION DISTRIBUTION AND OR SALE OF GAS TO CUSTOMERS IN LEAGUE CITY THROUGH THE USE OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE FROM COUNCILMAN HICKS WITH, UH, TRESSLER AS THE SECOND.
SO WE DIDN'T NEED TO VOTE ON THE SUSPENDED RULES.
DID WE ALREADY VOTE ON THAT? NO.
OH, WE DIDN'T VOTE ON SUSPENDING THE RULES.
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THAT FIRST.MOTION PASSES EIGHT 40 AGAINST 10 B, CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A LIMITED FRANCHISE TO UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS LLC DBA UNIVERSAL NATURAL GAS INC.
TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN A GAS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM FOR THE TRANSPORTATION DISTRIBUTION AND OR SALE OF GAS TO CUSTOMERS IN LEAGUE CITY THROUGH THE USE OF PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.
AND I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE AGAIN.
I'LL SECOND, I GOTTA SCRATCH THAT OUT.
ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON IT? PLEASE VOTE.
[10C. 23-0312 Consider and take action on an ordinance to allow the League City Convention and Visitors Bureau Advisory Board to meet at times other than Monday through Friday at 5 p.m. or later, effective August 1, 2023 (City Attorney)]
UH, CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THE CITY CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU ADVISOR BOARD TO MEET AT TIMES OTHER THAN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AT 5:00 PM OR LATER EFFECTIVE 8 1 20 23.UM, NOT TO BE TOO CONTROVERSIAL ABOUT IT.
I THINK AMBER STATED A PRETTY GOOD CASE LAST TIME, BUT I'M GONNA VOTE NO ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE STANDARDIZATION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE LAST TIME.
UH, YEAH, I'D SAY AMBER DID ACTUALLY A GREAT JOB TALKING ABOUT IT AS WELL.
AND, UH, IF WE'D HAVE VOTED THAT NIGHT, I WOULD'VE VOTED YES.
UH, CUZ I THOUGHT IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND THEN THE ONLY THING THAT I, I STARTED THINKING ABOUT WHEN I GOT TO KINDA LATER IN THE AGENDA CAME OUT IS THAT YES, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'D WANNA DO IT DURING WORK HOURS CUZ IT'S PART OF THEIR JOB.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT THE HOTELIER'S MONEY, IT IS THE CITY'S MONEY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK SO THAT CITIZENS CAN PARTICIPATE AND SO THAT CITIZENS CAN WATCH AND CITIZENS COME IN AND GIVE THEIR OPINION.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN GENERATED AT THE HOTEL, BUT IT'S NOT THEIR MONEY ANYMORE.
IT'S THE PROPERTY OF THE CITY, OF LEAGUE CITY AND IT'S THERE TO BE USED FOR WHATEVER THE CITIZENS DEEM IT WITHIN THE RESTRICTIONS PROVIDED BY THE LAW, UH, PROVIDED TO DO SO.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALLY, UH, TO HAVE IT AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK.
BUT I'M NOT TOO HARD UP ON IT EITHER WAY.
UM, WHEN I WAS AT THE MEETING, AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT MOVING, ALLOWING THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR TIME DURING THE DAY, UM, I GAVE THEM THE REASONS WHY THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT ABOUT AND THEIR COMMENT WAS, WELL, THIS ISN'T REALLY A CITIZEN DONE BOARD.
A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT BRING MONEY INTO THE CITY, AND THEN THEY, THESE ENTITIES REAP THE BENEFITS THROUGH THE HOTEL TAX, ET CETERA.
THE, THE GROUP OF PEOPLE I TALK TO THAT THEY REALLY DO MEET DURING THE DAY AND, AND OTHERWISE THEY HAVE TO COME IN AFTER HOURS, ET CETERA, IT'S GONNA CAUSE AN, UH, UNDUE BURDEN ON THE BOARD AND POTENTIALLY NOT ALLOW US TO HAVE CORN ON THE BOARD.
SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.
UM, IT, ALL BOARDS IN THE CITY ARE CITY CITIZENS BOARDS.
UH, WE'RE ALL HERE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS, BUT THIS PARTICULAR BOARD HAS NO CITIZEN, UH, APPOINTED TO THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
CITIZENS, UH, GENERALLY REALLY DON'T ENGAGE WITH THIS BOARD.
THEY CAN, THEY'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO.
UM, BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS THIS BOARD COMPRISES A FEW, UH, RESTAURATEURS ALSO AND ASKING THEM TO COME IN HERE AT THE DINNER TIME.
WE'RE GONNA LOSE EVERY ONE OF THOSE RESTAURATEURS AND NEVER GET A RESTAURATEUR UNLESS THEY'RE A BREAKFAST AND LUNCH ONLY RESTAURANT IN THE CITY TO SIT ON THIS BOARD.
AND I THINK THOSE, UH, RESTAURATEURS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
UH, THEY DO GENERATE A LOT OF REVENUE AND TO LOSE THAT VOICE, I THINK WOULD BE CRITICAL, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR BOARD.
BASICALLY COMMENT, UH, COUNCILMAN BOWEN PUT IT IN MUCH BETTER WORDS THAN I POSSIBLY COULD HAVE EVER TRIED TO DO A WHILE AGO, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN
MOTION FAILS FOUR TO FOUR ITEMS AFTER ELECTRONIC AGENDA.
REPORTS FROM STAFF MEMBERS ALL YIELD.
MY TIME REPORTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
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MY TIME MR. BONE.AWESOME JOB WITH THE, ALL THE 4TH OF JULY STUFF FOR THE CITY STAFF.
UH, EVEN THE WEATHER AT THE FIREWORKS WAS NOT TOO HOT.
I MEAN, IT WAS PRETTY GOOD FOR, FOR JULY.
GREAT TIME AT THE, UH, AT THE PICNIC AS WELL.
UH, WE MIGHT LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF CHARM IN HOMETOWN HEROES, BUT THE RAIN AND THE HEAT SURE.
[14. EXECUTIVE(CLOSED) SESSION(S)]
AND NOW CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO CH SUBCHAPTER D THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT SECTION 5 51 AT ALL.GOVERNMENT CODE ON THIS 11TH DAY OF JULY AT EIGHT 15.